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I'm an expatriot native Californian who loves the state but will never live there again because the government is nuts and the cost of living outrageuous. Semi-retired now, I worked as a welder most of my life at various places around the country, beginning in 1973 in Orem, Utah. I've also lived and worked in Ohio, where my ex-wife was from and where we were married when I followed her there from Utah in 1976. I should have stayed in Utah. But at least I had the biggest winning lottery ticket I've ever had in my life while there, ten dollars. I've also lived and welded in Boise, ID; Long Beach, CA; Nashville, TN; Mobile AL, Port Arthur, TX ; as well as Indiana, where I also spent five years as an independent contracting driver delivering motor homes to dealers around the country and into Canada, by means of which I've visited every state in the lower 48 plus several Provinces of Canada. A great job, if you like to travel. Especially if you are a history buff as I am.

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SEPTEMBER 11, 2010 11:41AM

Taqqiya: Lying In the Cause of Islam

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There is in Islam a principle known as Taqqiya, or deception. What it pertains to is lying. There are three categories of purpose for which lying is permitted in Islam. They are lying for the cause of Islam; lying to maintain or bring about peace between the (Muslim) tribes; and lying to maintain or bring about peace in the home. The one which I am going to discuss here in lying in the cause of Islam.

First, I want to point out that the goal of Islam is complete world domination. There are several places in the Quran where that is apparent. One such is in 8:38-39. From the USC online translations:

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YUSUFALI: Say to the Unbelievers, if (now) they desist (from Unbelief), their past would be forgiven them; but if they persist, the punishment of those before them is already (a matter of warning for them).
PICKTHAL: Tell those who disbelieve that if they cease (from persecution of believers) that which is past will be forgiven them; but if they return (thereto) then the example of the men of old hath already gone (before them, for a warning).
SHAKIR: Say to those who disbelieve, if they desist, that which is past shall be forgiven to them; and if they return, then what happened to the ancients has already passed.

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YUSUFALI: And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily Allah doth see all that they do.
PICKTHAL: And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is all for Allah. But if they cease, then lo! Allah is Seer of what they do.
SHAKIR: And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do.

.http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/008.qmt.html

Note that while Pickthal says that what the unbelievers must desist from is persecution of believers, Yusuf Ali says that it is unbelief that they must desist from, each putting into English what he understands the passage to pertain to. Shakir on the other hand makes no judgement about that but merely translates what the Arabic says, leaving it to the reader to determine that for him or her self.  The next verse however finds all three in agreement as to what the end purpose must and will be. All three are in agreement that believers should fight the unbelievers until only the religion of Allah shall remain.

So setting before them the goal of complete world domination, the Quran urges Muslims to emigrate in its cause to help spread its influence toward that end. But doing so, the immigrant finds himself in a land of unbelievers and so lying about Islam, its purposes and means toward those ends becomes expedient and desirous, even to the point of pretending to have abandoned Islam altogether in certain instances. Thus, we hear constantly from various Muslims and Muslim organizations that Islam is a religion of peace; that jihad only refers to the inner struggle in one’s own spiritual life to better submit to Allah and his path, never mentioning the numerous passages within the Quran commanding believers not to make friends of unbelievers except to protect oneself, and to fight against them until all have submitted to Allah. Lying in the cause of Islam is the foremost reason for sanctioned lying. A fairly recent example was the Grand Mufti of Egypt, Dr. Ali Gomaa, in response to the Fort Hood shootings by an American Muslim Psychiatrist, Major Nidal Malik Hasan. A Grand Mufti is the senior authority of a country on Sharia Law. This would equate to a Chief Justice of the Supreme Court for Islam in that country, an exceedingly prestigious position of influence and power.

Writing in the Washington Post November 7, 2009, Gomaa said “I was shocked as any sensible human being was when I learned about the senseless, appalling and cowardly act of violence in Fort Hood. This horrific attack is a complete violation of Islamic law and norms and the perpetrator is no way representative of the Muslim people or the religion of Islam. God upholds the sanctity of life as a universal principle.‘and do not kill one another, for God is indeed merciful unto you' says the Quran in (4:29). “

http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/guestvoices/2009/11/egypts_grand_mufti_responds_to_fort_hood_shootings.html

Note that Dr. Gomaa, Grand Mufti of Egypt, top expositor of sharia law for the land, quotes only a portion of the verse that he cites as “evidence” that the Quran would condemn Major Hasan’s murderous jihad. Interestingly, just a short time before I first encountered this piece of Islamic disinformation, or taqqiya, I had engaged in a debate about Islam with a niece of mine who is married to a Palestinian and is herself a Muslim, and she had cited the exact portion of the exact same verse in defense of her religion in proclaiming its peaceful nature and intent. She uses the Yusuf Ali translation by the way, one of the three translations reproduced on that USC website. I had at that time looked it up and so when I read Dr. Gomaa’s lying statement I knew it instantly for the lie that it was. Here is the full verse that you can see for yourself just what the Quran actually says:

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YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! Eat not up your property among yourselves in vanities: But let there be amongst you Traffic and trade by mutual good-will: Nor kill (or destroy) yourselves: for verily Allah hath been to you Most Merciful!
PICKTHAL: O ye who believe! Squander not your wealth among yourselves in vanity, except it be a trade by mutual consent, and kill not one another. Lo! Allah is ever Merciful unto you.
SHAKIR: O you who believe! do not devour your property among yourselves falsely, except that it be trading by your mutual consent; and do not kill your people; surely Allah is Merciful to you.

As you can see, this verse is not addressing all mankind, nor even the believers with regard to their actions toward unbelievers.  Far from upholding the sanctity of life as a universal prinsipal as Dr. Gommaa seeks to convince us that it does, it actually is addressing believers with regard to other believers, telling them NOT TO KILL ONE ANOTHER! And so the Grand Mufti of Egypt, Dr. Ali Gomaa, being the supreme practitioner of Sharia law and master of taqqiya (lying in the cause of Islam) that he is, uses this verse to tell us that the actions of devout Muslim Major Hasan in murdering numerous of his fellow soldiers at Fort Hood are condemned in the Quran and to be abhorred by true Muslims every where, that the Major’s actions not be understood by unbelievers to be the embodiment and fulfillment of his Islamic duty to jihad.

I find it very interesting that the Grand Mufti uses this verse in his attempt to persuade non-believing infidels that the murderous Major Hasan was not acting as a true Muslim nor in accordance with the holy Quran, especially in light of my niece having attempted to use the exact same verse just shortly before for much the same purpose. I could understand that she, not being a noted scholar of the Quran, might not be aware of a more appropriate verse to use to show that such actions are neither sanctioned nor embraced by true believers in the religion of that book. But this is the Grand Mufti, the most senior man in the exposition of Sharia law for Egypt, the Chief Justice Of Sharia law for all Egypt as it were, speaking in hist capacity of one of the most important Islamic positions in one of the foremost Islamic nations of the world. This man presumably knows his Quran. Were there such a verse available to him to show that Major Hasan’s actions are not in accord with true Islam, would  he not have used that verse  instead? Of course he would! But there is not, and so he did not. He was instead forced to resort to taqqiya and lie in the cause of Islam to keep the infidels of the land where Major Hasan carried out his personal act of jihad in the cause of his religion placated and deceived as  to its true nature and intent.

Educate yourself about this religion, if you love your country and the freedom you yet enjoy, however much you may find yourself in disagreement with its leaders and government. We still have our freedom of religion or non-religion here and others besides that would not be countenanced were Islam to succeed in their goal of achieving the power here. Unless we truly understand the insidious intent of Islam and its leaders abroad as well as at home, that will not always be the case if we continue as a body to fail to do that.

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I'm not sure how you get from spreading the faith to world domination. Does it necessarily follow that the desire to convert someone to your religion is the same as the desire to dominate them? Times change and culture changes with them. It seems to me that it would be very difficult to know exactly what religious figures like Muhammad or Jesus -- peace be unto them -- meant without actually living in their times. Liked the Bible, the Qu'ran seems to be open to interpretation and misinterpretation. My own thought is that the conflict between Islam and the West is cultural, not religious.
How else would it ever be a "religion of peace" if it did not? Is there a country in the world where Muslims have emigrated that does not see conflict arise between them and their infidel neighbors? In Europe they are actually striving to implement sharia law in within their own communities and get authorities to recognise their right to do so apart from the laws of the land in which they are living. This has actually been granted in certain instances. That is one means by which they strive to achieve domination within the lands of the unbelievers. Another is through actions by those who will undertake them of terror such as was committed by Major Hasan in Ft. Hood, and by the hijackers of 9/11. Fear is a tactic that has served them well. And does their book not tell them to fight them until they cease and all religion is Allah's? And according to them, what religion is that? Is it not Islam?

I don't get how you can fail to see that. Unless perhaps it is that you are Muslim yourself and are simply resorting to taqqiya as well and do get that but seek to cover the issue. You do use the commonly used Islamic phrase "P..peace be on them."
Rated because you made your point without ranting and raving, and for referencing the Quran passages. Many atrocities are committed in God's name and Allah's name. But there are differences in how the Bible and the Quran instruct each of its respective followers to treat unbelievers. Despite Obama's placating speech, I don't agree that the Muslim Allah is the same entity as the Christian God. A simple comparison of verses between the Quran and the Bible will dispel that lunacy.

Despite the tendency of non-Christians to cite Old Testament stonings, the New Testament of the Bible makes it clear that salvation (as espoused in Christian theology) is a personal choice and not forced on anyone even by God. There are so many interpretations of religious texts. But it's always good to actually read, study, and make up your own mind. Thanks for posting this.
Thanks for reading and commenting, Eric. It remains to be seen whose God is God, if any, he not currently taking a hand to show us or making any statements. But it is certain that the God each addresses is described in far different terms as you point out. If any is God, or there are Gods (the Bible in multiple places uses a plural form in the original Hebrew, while the Quran uses the first person plural when supposedly Allah himself is talking) then I would have to say that I believe that you are right, and they are different. However, I do have to recognixe that belief is not knowledge, even though it may actually be correct. Were it knowledge, it would cease to be belief. The two are different.

Thanks again for your comment.
How would Islam be a religion of peace if it didn't seek to dominate the world? Interesting. If you can't answer that question for yourself, you're beyond reason. Apparently, you've had some bad experiences with religion that have convinced you that religion has to be about more than salvation. Why Muslims come into conflict with their neighbors is a different matter. As I said, I think the problem is more cultural than religious. Islam is an important part of Muslim culture, but not all of it. As-Salaam-Alaikum. But the idea that I'm a Muslim is pretty funny. I wouldn't turn down a houri or two, though.
Excellent post. Rated.

More scholarship and straight thinking here than in all the EP pieces on the subject put together.
"How would Islam be a religion of peace if it didn't seek to dominate the world? Interesting. If you can't answer that question for yourself, you're beyond reason."

A not very artful dodging of the question. If you can't answer that then it is you who in considering it are beyond reason.

As for your idea notion that the problem that exists between Muslims and non-Muslims is cultural, that is rediculous. There is no one Muslim culture, other than that which is dictated by their common bond of religion. Muslims come from dozens of nations around the world. Were the chief cause of conflict between Muslims and non-Muslims cultural rather than religions then we wouldn't see the violence by Muslims against non-Muslims in the Islamic nations of the world we see so often in the news. Such as the case of four Muslims acquitted of murder and beheading of a Coptic Christian in Egypt.

http://www.christiansofiraq.com/egyptiancourtacquits-muslimwhobeheadedachristian.html

They all came from the same culture group-- Egyptian-- the chief difference being religion.
Thank you Gordon. Being the author, I would of course be biased in agreeing with you, but I have to agree with you! :)
You know, Henry, it was you who used the "religion of peace" meme, not me. A straw horse, actually, but I answered the question anyway. You just can't see the answer. Or pretend not to. Your "concern" about Islam here in America, where Muslims are probably less than one per cent of the population, borders on fanaticism. But it's about what I'd expect from someone who'd call someone who disagrees with him a lying Muslim at the drop of a hat. This has to be a disappointing day for you. No Qu'ran burning after all. Generalizing about Muslims from the behavior of cults like al Qaeda and the Taliban is like tarring all Christians with the Jim Jones or Branch Davidian brush. It's your diary. You take the last word.
:) Well Billy, let's ask the readers if anyone else sees how you have answered that question. Does anyone here see an answer to that question in anything Billy has said?

As for calling you a Muslim, no, I didn't. I did however suggest that you might be, considering that the topic is taqqiya, the Muslim principle of lying in the cause of their religion and seeing that you ignore the actual topic of the post and go on to other things, using that common Muslim cliche' in doing so. None of which proves you to be a Muslim yourself, I freely acknowledge. But it does give cause to wonder. And if you are not-- and I really don't think that you are, but as I said, I don't know-- you are at the very least an enabler for their cause to flourish here. If you want to bow out of the discussion, that's your ppreogative. I'm more than willing to continue the discussion. Although I do have some football to attend to this afternoon.

Whatever your choice, thanks for dropping by and giving your view of things.
Thanks for dropping by with your input, Jacob. Though I have to disagree. They actually would like to acquire it.