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MARCH 22, 2009 6:22PM

Battlestar Galactica, Mormonism, SF, and Scientology

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I'm an old sf fan.  I've been looking forward to Battlestar Galactica.  Have had to wait for the series to hit disk, since I gave up on tv several years ago.

(No implication of superior taste intended.  Tv simply failed to provide me with entertainment or information, and it was unquestionably bad for my physical health.  If it still works for you, more power to you.)

So I eagerly devoured Heather Havrilesky's recent summary of the series.  I was so shocked I almost quit reading, though, when she revealed that a good deal of the plot and iconography of the show were based on Mormon theology, since "a devout Mormon" was one of the writers.

Now I am staunchly in favor of the right of an author to set forth his or her beliefs in his or her work, to be subject thereafter to the court of public opinion.  By all accounts, Battlestar Galactica is a good show.  But.

When did it become good to be "devout," regardless of the rationality of what you were devout to?  Is Mitt Romney somehow morally and intellectually respectable because he is "devout?"

The beginnings of most religions are veiled in antiquity.  We cannot examine the historical facts of their origins.  We are forced to judge their theologies on the basis of the reasonability of their claims and the behavior of their adherents.  (In that regard, I must say that I know at least as many generous, decent, tolerant, loving, peaceable, law-abiding atheists who abstain from alcohol, tobacco--and even coffee--as fundamentalists of any stripe.  It's quite obvious that morality is not contingent on theological beliefs, though many people think so.)

Mormonism and Scientology began quite recently, however, and we can not only examine the behavior of believers, but the actual recorded facts of their origins.  I consider myself to have faith, but it seems entirely justified to me to examine the claims of any theology according to evidence, observation, and reason.  The Dalai Lama said, "If science proves Buddhism wrong, then Buddhism must change."  Now THAT is the kind of religious faith I admire.  Faith combined with reason.  Faith that is not afraid of thought.  Faith that encourages good thinking.

 Ask yourself this:  What really good idea demands that you never question it?  What really good idea threatens you with eternal torment if you do not accede to it?  Good ideas stand on their merits, not on the threats uttered by their proponents.

Theologies first.  The angel Moroni?  Twelve golden tablets?  A lost tribe of Israelites?  Or if you prefer, Battlefield Earth, melodramatic space opera, clearing your engrams.

What can I say?  You think this stuff is credible?  Really?

The historical record next:   Joseph Smith and L. Ron Hubbard had, pretty clearly on the record, these things in common:  They were both con men, and inventors of really clumsy and unbelievable (literally) tales.  (L. Ron was a BAD science fiction writer, and I don't mean bad in a good way.)

Do I give these religions a pass because it is wrong to criticize any religion whatsoever (except of course any of the wildly different sects of Mohammedanism or Buddhism)?  Or I do I examine their claims with the sort of critical eye that I turned on the creed I was brought up in, that of the Southern Baptists?

When I lived in Santa Fe (which has been described as 65 square miles surrounded by reality), I hired a carpenter for some minor work around the house.  He told me, in all seriousness, that an alien mothership was in orbit around the Earth, and when we died, it stored our minds in its vast data banks.  This was his religion.  Let's just say that I was in no danger of being coverted.   Where am I supposed to turn off my skepticism?  Was my skepticism justified because there was only one of him?  Is foolishness less foolish if it has attracted millions of adherents?  Shall I be afraid to say what I think because so many disagree?

I say once again I have no quarrel with beliefs, however preposterous they may strike me, so long as they result in decent behavior toward the Earth and its creatures, including one's fellow humans.  And observe once again that I am aware of no theology on Earth which does not have murderous and dishonest proponents.  I lean toward zen Buddhism, but there are plenty of examples of Buddhists killing other Buddhists.

Theologies that cannot withstand the light of inquiry frequently attempt to enforce obedience, or at least create fear.  The Mormons felt it necessary to meddle in California politics.  The Scientologists have a lot of money and lawyers, and woe be unto you if you attack them head-on.

Listen:  It doesn't matter how loudly you proclaim your belief, how unquestioning your obedience.  The intensity of one's belief has no correlation whatsoever with the factuality of that belief.

That is magical thinking, to suppose that it does.  That is the thinking of a child.  And children, you will remember, frequently kick their heels against the floor and howl if they don't get what they want.

So if you are a Mormon or a Scientologist, believe what you will.  But don't pester me with your silly notions, and quit interfering in the lives of perfectly decent people who are neither.

And just as a tip:  It might not hurt to do a little honest thoughtful examination of the contents of the theology you proclaim.

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A reminder of why I'm an atheist.
Buddhism was always the only organized religion/philosophy I could get behind. Rational.

Doesn't mean I do, though...

Nice piece, really well done.
Loved your kicking and screaming child analogy, for I had an energizing (strangely enough) discussion--fueled by my Bass pale ale--with a dear friend who is convinced that all you need to believe in a supreme being is the word "mystery." How can there not be a God (I use capital G since he is a Southern Baptist) when there is the mystery of birth? or the intricacy of grass? He was, as you say, intense in his beliefs even as I was likewise in my own.

I pointed out to him that I couldn't unequivocally prove there was no God, just as he couldn't claim with any sense of factual certainty that there was. Naturally, he was quite literally befuddled that I couldn't see how faith alone wasn't proof enough. The double standard is glaring. . as it always is with zealots.

Not convinced he couldn't convince me, he ripped off the corner of a paper napkin--it was a tenth the size of your thumbnail--and compared the shard to its mother. "See? This large napkin is 99.99% you--there is no God and you just go back to being dust." (He clumsily interpreted my stance since I'm not at all certain that our souls do become dust, too.) He continued. "What's wrong with going for the .01% possibility that there is more out there?"

"Well," I countered, "I've had this discussion with others before, and the gist is that if I'm merely grasping at immortality with God because I'd rather be right than wrong, don't you think an omnipotent being would see right through the artifice? Further, if the sort of God-being exists who is worthy of our adulation and obedience truly exists, it expects neither but fully accepts me as the flawed human I am. Ergo, it makes no difference which piece of napkin I am." I know his mind slipped a gear or two, and I'm fairly certain his eyes are still blinking rapidly two days later, as if he could ward off my dithering with his eyelids.

In sum, I've never understood why those who choose to be skeptical of religion are held to "logical" theology while those whose basis for belief is nothing more than faith are stunned when we attempt to hold them to the same standards.
Dear Mal Beck: Extremely well put. Double standard indeed. As it happens, as I think I say in the blog, I consider myself to have faith. However, I do not mean the same thing by the word that the fundamentalists one of my daughters told me about do: Faith is believing in things that don't make any sense.

Not me! I have a degree of faith just because, on balance, things make more sense to me that way. I can understand existence as life, but can't make sense of the notion that "life" is somehow a thin veneer in a few places, arisen by chance, and the rest of existence is blank. To me it makes more sense to think of stars and galaxies as alive than as manifestations of accidental physical laws.

I am NOT a creationist. I am willing to say I might be wrong. There is no evidence from science I reject. Things just make more sense to me looked at that way.

If god exists, though, I certainly have no way of comprehending such an infinity, so intend to make no declarations. I choose ahimsa, but so may an atheist.

The double standard shows in other ways. The Bible is supposed the inerrant word of God--and yet the author of Ecclesiastes quite clearly does not believe there is an afterlife. The author of Job portrays God and "The Adversary"--NOT the devil--as equals, rather like Zoroastrianism or other dualistic religions. Certainly not a view that contemporary fundys would agree with.

But it's in the Bible.

Thanks for your thoughts.
Erica, missed your comment somehow. Point taken. I didn't really mean that Havrilesky thought being "devout" was always good. I meant that seems to be the current gestalt. But I failed to make my meaning clear enough.
Hontonoshijin,
I really appreciated your post...especially these points:

"I say once again I have no quarrel with beliefs, however preposterous they may strike me, so long as they result in decent behavior toward the Earth and its creatures, including one's fellow humans."~ Amen to that!

I also liked where you said, "Theologies that cannot withstand the light of inquiry frequently attempt to enforce obedience, or at least create fear."~ I have seen this proven true time and time again. So unfair.

Thank you for your clear and thoughtful post!
Dear Churchgoing: Thanks. With your concurrence, I feel I am not too far off. You make a good check on me.
Ahimsa would be a good crede for most of the world's religions, don't you think? In fact, it's another facet of discussions I have with my more, um, religious friends. For all the talk about the goodness of god and the spirituality of man, it surely takes a whole boatload of violence to reach divine goals. And god always seems to be on the side of the person talking. . .or praying, especially those who pray publicly and loudly (no statistics currently exist vouching for those who read prayers, however). But, I digress. We'd all do well to choose ahimsa.
hontonoshijin,
Well-said. Religions are, in my view, merely our way of putting a story to the ineffable mystery of being. I'm trained in philosophy but have deepest respect for honest theologians, like Tillich, Barth, Kung. Joseph Smith and L. Ron Hubbard are in an entirely different class of men.

They are charismatics, and geniuses. Look at the result of their efforts. They truly made the world different. We can argue about the beliefs of their adherents interminably, but I'd think we both agree they're a harmless, well-behaved bunch. Good citizens, if a little wacky in their belief-systems.

It's when they infiltrate and work on the sly to propagate their beliefs that they become dangerous, as you pointed out very skillfully. But: i'd daresay most Mormons are not aggressive prosletyzers. I may be naive in this, but i've met a few.

Room for all of us. As for Battlestar, I didn't know it, but i guess i can see it: the Mormon influence. They have one hell of a weird theology. But it actually strives for a closer contact with the divine, and that's ok with me. I have a hard time picturing a personal god other than in human form...i see god as a perfected human form, perfect in the sense of fluid in his being, not morally perfect. A God somehow at the very bottom of things, but also coevolving temporally with us...


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Actually, the first Battlestar Galactica was based on the Mormon faith with some fairly clear parallels, but the second one, the newer version is more an amalgam of a bunch of different faiths, intertwined, with much less emphasis on the original faith.

I think the show is a pretty good examination of the concept of faith itself, whether it's faith in people, faith in technology, faith in science or faith in some sort of deity. Obviously, it's not handled perfectly, but it is a show about humanity and we do that sort of thing, the religion/faith thing so it wouldn't work if we skipped it, I don't think, when we tell stories about humanity.

It wasn't really a show trying to indoctrinate anyone to anything beyond the idea that people are extremely fucked up, whether they are made of circuits or bits of flesh.

As to faith, well, to each his or her own, as long as no one comes after me for mine with a pitchfork. I guess I'm of the faith of "it's my business" more than any other.
Odetteroulette: well said. I agree.

Sorry if it appeared I was attacking the show. Didn't mean to be, which is why I said I staunchly defend the right of the writer to put his or her beliefs into the work, and why I said later that I had heard it was a very good show.

Just felt like talking about a couple of theologies that seem silly to me. Theology isn't faith. Theology purports to be a model of how divinity actually works. Faith is personal. It isn't anybody's business what your faith is or if it is.

As we both say to true believers, I don't care what you think, but don't come after me with a pitchfork.