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MARCH 27, 2011 8:00PM

There Are Some Things You Just Don’t Say

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Now, I'll admit that I've said the wrong thing more than once. We all have. Some times you think you're being funny, and it turns out you really aren't. This happened to me the other night. Only it wasn't me doing the talking.

I was at a bar with a few old friends from junior high playing catch-up. Both of the women I was with are personable, strikingly beautiful and, of course, thin. In other words, they are my polar opposites, but I like them anyway. We were joined by another school friend, Scott, who likes to kid me on a regular basis. He frequently sends me Facebook messages that I don't quite get, but they are meant to be silly. He really doesn't mean any harm, and I know this. A while back my youngest sister, Helen, joined us at one of these little soirées. Scott was agape at how beautiful my sister is, and kept going on and on about how he was in love with her. Whatever, I blew it off. He's not the first to point out how beautiful one of my sisters is. So, at this most recent gathering, I wasn't too surprised that he was, again, going off about my sister's beauty. Until he said: "Your sister is so gorgeous. You must have been adopted." Yeah. Take a minute to let that soak in.

So, sure, I know he was kidding and didn't really mean to hurt my feelings, but really it didn't matter. It still stung. It still does. There are certain things you just don't say to a woman. You don't tell her that her ass looks fat in those jeans, you don't tell her that you like her better without a moustache, and you don't tell her that her sister/best friend is prettier than she is. You just don't.

Now I'm not fishing for y'all to tell me that you think I'm all kinds of pretty. I've got Dave to tell me that. It's what he gets paid to do. I know I could use to lose a good 40 pounds. I also know that I have more hair on my lip than I do on my eyebrows on any given day. It is not a surprise to me that my tits are sagging, I'm the one who has to hoist them into a bra each morning. It's abundantly clear to me that if God has graced me with 2 more inches in height, I'd be perfectly proportioned. I know my sisters are pretty, and in many ways may be prettier than I am. I know that many women dress better than I do. Prada beats Target every time in the fashion wars. I'm a middle aged woman and I've got miles on me, I wake up to this each morning. What I'm tellin' y'all, and the Scotts of this world in particular, is that every woman on the planet is well aware of her faults and limitations, and we don't need them pointed out to us.

Now I'm not a saint, y'all know that. I've been judgemental of other women all my life. I notice their flaws. I count the dimples in their cellulite. I wonder why they thought that outfit was the look that was going to work for them today. I look at their muffin tops* and think "There but for the grace of God and a dozen doughnuts go I." I just don't say it out loud to their face. And neither should you.

Sometimes it's better to just shut the fuck up.


*Yes, the Oxford English Dictionary has added Muffin Top to the official English lexicon.

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Does Scott have Turret's or Asperberger's? Prolly not. Don't let him come out again, and defriend him for a while. See how long it takes him to catch on. What an ass. I hate being in the company of men who spend inordinate amounts of time praising and evaluating women for their appearance, whether or not she is there, someone we know, or a celebrity. It shows the limits of their intellect. And lack of good taste.
I once had a boyfriend who told me he wished I looked more like Christie Brinkley. I told him I wished he looked less like an asshole.
Maybe you could invite Scott on a little bike ride? Show him how good your butt looks in lycra shorts for a hundred miles or so.
My ex-husband once told my parents (speaking of me), "There's nothing wrong with a fat wife. She's heat in the winter, and shade in the summer!"

It took me 15 more years to divorce him.
Forgot to rate. That's okay this gives me a chance to snicker a bit more at Lisa's comment. I'm never that quick-witted.
My husband managed to tell not one but two mothers-in-law that they were just as wide when they turned sideways as they were from the front. Oy.

I managed to have one boyfriend in youth who told me, "Don't worry, you can always get plastic surgery for that," and another who said, "It's not that unusual to have asymmetrical breasts."

Double oy. And, you're all kinds of pretty.
Ouch.. What a charmer..Wow! Is he really as socially retarded as he sounds? Next time you see him if you can restrain your self from junk punching him Surly style.. Tell him you told your sister he was interested in them and then leave him hanging on the details for 10-15 mins when you are sure he cant wait a second longer.. Drop it on him in a matter of fact tone non-chelantly that neither of them thought he was attractive at all.. They go for guys who are taller, smarter and more masculine.. Funny thing was .get this, They both thought you were gay? I couldn't figure it out.. Something about gaydar..effeminant manerisms blah blah blah.., soooo what have you been up to since we last chatted.. Now that would sting his ass... But it's kinda mean..
For the record I thought the whole bike shorts thing was damn hot!
Some men are stupid. Some are totally unaware. But some are sly. They know what they say is going to be like a knife between the ribs, and they enjoy it. They try to pass it off as a joke, but they're not joking.

It sounds like Scott is one of the first two types. I've met a couple of type threes, and I put as much distance as possible between me and them, as quickly as possible.
I don't think Scott is that atypical. There is an asshole streak in most men, growing up, that has to be tamed somehow. And honestly, with the middle-school snarkiness I see in the Disney Channel shows my kids watch, I don't see it leaving the culture any time soon.
Yeah well even you wouldn't go out with an ass like Scott. (Make you feel better?) What a jerk.
I have to admit I'm rofl over Black and White's suggestion for friend Scott, but yeah, that's pretty mean I guess. To me, for these kinds of things, never having been the gorgeous one but good friends with many who were in that considered category, the kicker has always been how much of a downer it usually was for them to be seen through the lens of appearance first and foremost :(.

Rated for an often well meaning if totally thoughtless species.
So do you plan on looking up your natural birth mother??


*runs behind Tink and points to him as the speaker*
Ya know, there are some people on this earth who just use up more than their fair share of hot air. Scott sounds like one of them. Surly, you're all kinds of beautiful. Really. And he's an asshat.
@divorce bard--I've been thanking my stars that my kids are not clamoring for Disney Channel shows. They've been watching Top Gear, Mythbusters, and How It's Made. (froggy sighs with relief). No Hannah Montana here.
I remember the first time I saw a pic of you IRL, jumping into a Canadian crib...my opinion still holds: Awesome.
I am a fan. A new fan, but a fan nonetheless. You just said what I think every day. I hope Scott is kicking himself, but he probably isn't. Men don't think in the same terms as women do. Keep writing. Now that is beautiful.
That would hurt my feelings as well. I think a lot of men just aren't sensitive to how we women think. Women care about looks while men tend to care more about the money they make. (I know that's a generalization.) What I've noticed as I've gotten older is that the more positive I am and the less judgemental I am toward others, the more positive and less judgemental they are toward me. I truly believe that what goes around comes around. I have no idea what you look like, but I'm sure you're harder on yourself than others are. I hope you feel better.
What are the odds that Scott is in a healthy relationship?

Zippo, I'd wager.......

My partner learned long before he hooked up with me that when I asked if my ass looked fat in whatever that the appropriate response, was, "Are you kidding me? You are HOT?" Followed by lots of kissing.

Twenty five years he's been sweetly lying to me, and I promise you the sex is hot................go figure.

And is it possible to call some sort of moratorium on the lazy abbreviations here, a "writer's forum?" Seer's comment included "rofl" and this crap makes me crazy. In case you didn't know, Seer, abbreviations are for when there is no room to spell something out.

What does this stand for? "Reek of flatulent legumes" is my guess. Any other suggestions?

(Sorry to step on your surliness, darling. Love your post, as always.)
Forgive me for the use of what (surprisingly) I usually get a little ticked with as well ; most texting shorts irritate me too - but I adopted the one I use now and then 'cause I usually add mao to the end of it. Habit, forgot I was on a writing forum!

Oops..

;)
Gorgeous isn't the same as sexy.
At a wild guess I'd say Scott is and always was attracted to you, but also feels intimidated, either by you or Dave or both, and uses that kind of weird snark to level it out for himself.
That or he's clueless.
Every woman's ass looks fat in jeans that she asks if she looks fat in!
On some level she knows that or she woulldn't ask.
I have found that men in Los Angeles (where you live/I do too) seem to feel they can be even more stupid and unkind than men in other places. It might be the starlet factor here, and the plastic boobs (think all kinds -- breasts and stupid people) ... Also maybe it's time to give friends like that up cause they ain't friends. Good post...
the dude is lucky to be alive hahaha
I was gonna say something about muffin tops but I want to live until tomorrow.
You are awesome.
I think Scott's way overdue for a reality check.

At least for a pointed 'even when you can't be kind, it's always possible to shut up.'

I'd feel angry and hurt, too.
rated
Ahhh, its okay, at least nobody has ever told you to shave your ass, and walk backwards!! Moms can be soooo cruel when they're sober!!

~boohoohoo~

~wanders off, hitting rate on his way out~
Still laughing at Lisa Kern's comment. I know women are never, ever this shallow when it comes to making comments about men.

Surly Scott should know better.
So true! More times than we realize, people know exactly what they are saying. He may have intended to get your attention by making you jealous of your sister. Age don't always make for brains!
Absolutely! Well put!
You are hysterical and really know how to write about upper lip hair fiascos. And isn't writing just the best revenge? I, still wince occasionally as my sister (there are three of us) is chronically referred to by our mother and the "pretty one"--or "well, she still has her looks"....it doesn't bother me as much as when my mom read the first chapter of one of my literary novels and remarked: "Oh, this sounds just like that Canadian writer." Gasping, clutching my chest, I replied, "No! You mean Margaret Atwood?" "Yes--I never really did like her writing style, though." Now my mom loves me...loves me--she is just more focused on getting her opinion out there because she thinks no one cares about her opinion, that she honestly doesn't think about what she is saying.... The irony practically crackles. So this also says more about Dave than you....
I never had or wanted a sister. Or a mirror. Same thing.
We women tend to remember comments like that. Forever. So yeah, sometimes it is a lot better to just shut the f*ck up.
Off with Scott's head ! On your FaceBook, that is.
♥R
With a friend like Scott, who needs enemies? According to my dictionary, kidding is fooling someone in a playful way. Nothing playful or deceptive about Scott.
Surl--

Are you sure this isn't just passive aggression on Scott's part?

I was married to someone like him. After awhile I finally got that he wasn't just not aware of what he was saying; he was too old not to know better. But he hid behind the "just kidding" facade that masked his true hostility.

That was but one of the reasons I finally left him; there were other, more valid ones, but this was just one of the straws that broke this camel's back.

Anyway, just sayin. I think women tend to absolve men of too much that we wouldn't excuse from other women. Maybe what Scott needs is a good kick in the balls (assuming some are extant) so he remembers to have some manners. Maybe HE was raised by wolves, but you weren't. And, if he's pulled this shit before, maybe he's not really a friend.
Well I just really loved this post. Love your writing style and loved every word you said. And you are so right. In fact the more I think about it, the more I believe in "less is more". Yes, STFU. Something we all need to remember.
" I know I could use to lose a good 40 pounds. "
considering this.... you know, Im thinking that maybe if what this guy is the worst you've heard in a year, then maybe you're doing pretty good.... as far as not encountering many rude people, that is, *wink*
I think I stopped insulting others' appearance some time in junior high school: today, I consider it the lowest form of human interaction. In fact, sociologists have noted that in American culture, making pejorative comments about another person's appearance is typical of first generation immigrants, and that the tendency to make such comments (Hey, Four-eyes! Meet Schnoz!) is largely eliminated by the third generation.

Whenever I encounter someone making insulting comments about a person's looks, the commenter loses all respect in my eyes. I cannot imagine making friends with such a lowlife scoundrel.
How did I miss an opportunity to say STFU? So, yeah -- STFU, Scott.
Sometimes it's better to just shut the fuck up.

DAMN STRAIGHT!
I followed Imom over here. WhaaaTF? De-friending is in order. Seriously someone that stupid should be alone.
Men!!! What do they know.
Okay, I know I'm late commenting here, but I've been an Open Salon reader/lurker for at least 3 years now and this one made me come out of hiding to say Scott definitely needs to STFU. I read a lot of posts and always find your LOL funny, you have a fan in me and I'd NEVER say anything like that to you!