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by cathyjwilson
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MARCH 3, 2011 12:50PM

Breaking news: Young, unmarried women are easier than ever

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I always love being reminded that, if women had their way, we'd marry the first guy we met to ensure we didn't become lonely spinsters. Not men, though -- as this article from Slate points out, guys are getting their way, and their way is sex -- lots of it, and without having to even charm ladies or promise them any kind of commitment. Let's take a look at this article's assertions about heterosexual relationships, dating, and sex, and point out where the article is terribly misinformed, shall we?

1. If women ruled relationships, marriages would be on the rise

It's a good thing the author advises the reader to "call it sexist, call it whatever you want," because his entire article is founded on the idea that men want sex, women want marriage, and any data derived about sex and relationships must be interpreted through this stereotypical and played out lens. Here's the foundation:

But what many young men wish for—access to sex without too many complications or commitments—carries the day. If women were more fully in charge of how their relationships transpired, we'd be seeing, on average, more impressive wooing efforts, longer relationships, fewer premarital sexual partners, shorter cohabitations, and more marrying going on.

This is sexist against both men and women -- assuming that men just want sex and women just want marriage. Under this very scientific premise, a drop in marriage rates obviously must mean that men are winning the battle against women, who are always on the attack and trying to cage them and force them into settling down and not having all that random sex.

Perhaps the author failed to realize other causes for the decline in marriage, such as high divorce rates (cautionary tales for young people), people going to college and focusing on a career rather than getting married right out of high school (it's true, women are choosing to delay marriage), women being financially independent (choosing not to be financially dependent on a man), cohabitation, and a decline in religion. So while this author chooses to say that a decline in marriage rates is an obvious sign that men are, to quote Charlie Sheen, "winning," it's more likely that rates are declining because society is changing.

2. Outdated studies from the '70s and '80s speak for today's youth

It's baffling that this guy uses studies from the 1980s and applies those findings to the present -- 30 years later. Thirty years ago, my mom was my age -- the other day, she used the term "necking," and when I told her that young people today would call that "making out," she told me that "making out" was something much different and closer to sex. So maybe using outdated data to back up your thesis is not a great idea?

Here's one example:

In one frequently cited study, attractive young researchers separately approached opposite-sex strangers on Florida State University's campus and proposed casual sex. Three-quarters of the men were game, but not one woman said yes. I know: Women love sex too. But research like this consistently demonstrates that men have a greater and far less discriminating appetite for it.

This study was published in 1989, using data gathered in 1978 and 1982. All this demonstrates is that 30 years ago, men were more likely to sleep with complete strangers than women -- why is sleeping with strangers the measuring stick for sexual appetite?

3. Women are battling pornography for sexual power

According to the author, women -- though having a weak appetite for sex -- should theoretically have power in the sexual relationship because the guy is always ready to go, but he has to wait for the woman to agree. ï»¿But this power is threatened by porn:

And yet despite the fact that women are holding the sexual purse strings, they aren't asking for much in return these days—the market "price" of sex is currently very low. There are several likely reasons for this. One is the spread of pornography: Since high-speed digital porn gives men additional sexual options—more supply for his elevated demand—it takes some measure of price control away from women.

Since when is pornography and masturbating an additional sexual option? Men could masturbate before the digital age, so pornography -- though offering a helpful stimulus -- is simply a masturbation aide. If a guy wants to have actual sex, with an actual vagina, he's likely not going to be as satisfied by doing it alone. I doubt women fear masturbation as a form of retaliation for not putting out enough -- in case you didn't know, women can masturbate, too.

4. The amount of sex you have should be directly correlated to how successful you are in life

The author keeps trying to put forth the idea that sex is a game, and men have the upper hand because, despite being generally less successful than women, they are still having lots of sex:

The terms of contemporary sexual relationships favor men and what they want in relationships, not just despite the fact that what they have to offer has diminished, but in part because of it.

I guess that with fewer men in the workforce, in college, and with their salaries on the decline, the standards are generally going to drop, and women are going to be forced to choose from a dating pool that isn't as successful as it used to be -- this means women are going to have to lower their standards when on the prowl.

Or, could it just mean that women aren't necessarily always prowling for a guy who is rich? Maybe because women are more successful and independent, they know they won't be financially dependent on a man so don't highly prioritize income? Isn't it funny how a man could date a woman who isn't super successful and wouldn't be labeled as "settling," but a woman dates someone less successful than she is and suddenly she's given something up?

5. If you give out the milk for free, he'll never buy the cow!

The author would also like to remind you that women, you'll never find love and marriage if you keep putting out so easily:

Yes, sex is clearly cheap for men. Women's "erotic capital," as Catherine Hakim of the London School of Economics has dubbed it, can still be traded for attention, a job, perhaps a boyfriend, and certainly all the sex she wants, but it can't assure her love and lifelong commitment. Not in this market. It's no surprise that the percentage of 25- to 34-year-olds who are married has shrunk by an average of 1 percent each year this past decade.

This is just ... what? Am I reading this wrong, or is he also implying that women are trading sex to get jobs, too? And that giving out the milk for free isn't going to find her love and a husband? And that men only marry women to have sex? I thought they could just watch porn and masturbate for that?

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The overarching theme is that sex is a commodity that women "sell" to gain long-term commitment from men, but the pickings are so slim these days that women are willing to "sell" their bodies without even asking for things like flowers and jewelry and marriage in return, which is a "win" for men but a "loss" for women -- yeah, that's sexist and misguided on a bunch of levels. It also takes agency away from women by implying that they wouldn't choose any non-Disney-princess-fairy-tale life, so they must be miserable, desperate, etc.

How about this: Young people are more open to casual sex than 30 years ago, when that "frequently cited" study was conducted. Young people aren't marrying as early because they go to college and settle into careers first. Young people cohabitate. Women aren't always on the prowl for a rich husband, because they can make their own money.

Or maybe I'm the one who is misinformed, and porn really is to blame for all of this.

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I read recently that while the marriage rate is down, so is the divorce rate. So maybe young men and women are thinking more carefully about it.
that's why they call it Peter Pan
I thought to myself.... well the article talks about young men would don't want to settle down and that is news? Young men were pretty much jerks when I was 19 or 20 so I don't think much has changed. The difference is that I and most women have changed in 20 plus years. I was significantly more insecure at 19 or 20 even though I looked much better then than I do now. My solution in my early to mid 20's was to date older men at least I was having sex with beings who could hold a conversation and had a few interests beyond the typical boy things. And I was not jonsing for the ring. I did not get married until my mid 30's which suited me just fine. And I married a guy my age. I would advise young women to focus on their career which is key in a volatile job market and have some fun. I also wonder if young women are as interested in committment as the article implies.
Is Slate still around? xox
Turn back the clock to when they were cold as ice. As an older man I thought oh, yippee, then I have a chance today, but then I thought twice realizing that the lovely woman I sat beside at a Starbucks was really likely the same age as I am.
But, isn't it good to have a healthy sex life? Why is it Salon needs to politicize it? Because it's a political news website?
I'm the mother of a high school teenage girl and I will tell you that girl's SEEM to be easier. My daughter and I have a great relationship and we talk openly about a lot of things. I have learned that reality shows (I know you're probably gonna be laughing about this one) are a great learning tool when it comes to the opposite sex. About how not to be!

Lady Gaga is right in that parents need to be open in talking to their children about sex. Girls are still being told BY OTHER GIRLS that if they don't have sex with their boyfriends their boyfriend will leave them. My response to that is say goodbye.. there's plenty more boys around.

I don't know about any other ladies but I think porn movies are hilarious -the acting is terrible. But I think what people failed to realize is that men are from MARS and women are from VENUS. We think differently and what drives us is different.
Men are physically driven while we are emotionally driven. I told my daughter it's important that a man be emotionally attached to you and you to him before sex comes into play.

I told my daughter I understand that there's going to be fooling around. Nothing below the waist is the rule. Go down south and there's trouble!

Boys are crazy too. When my daughter was in 9th grade she was "going out" with a boy. Which entailed them seeing each other at the bus stop and coming to the house and talking outside. The 2nd day he asked her when they were going to have sex and she said NEVER. High five for that one!

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Slate is a strange place.
I read Dear Prudence for the laughs and how wrong she usually is with her advice.
And yet, here's a study that implies young people are not so interested in sex: http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2011/03/03/134235838/more-young-people-scorning-sex-study-finds?sc=fb&cc=fp
Thank you for sharing your observations, and I totally agree with you. You saved me wasting my time on a disgusting article!
@ThinkingViolet thanks for the link!
Despicable article!
Great post!
& nice jabs at his outdated data... how did he get away with that? *boggled*

Rated.
all fair points but you seem to be unaware of basic research into evolutionary psychology which the article has many shades of, and reaffirms. "All this demonstrates is that 30 years ago, men were more likely to sleep with complete strangers than women ".... and why do you think results today would be any different?
the idea that men want sex, women want marriage is obviously an oversimplification, but a rough sketch of a basic conflict of interests. conflicts of interest are very fundamental to the sexes as evolutionary psychology demonstrates. its part of the coevolution of the sexes..... you seem to reject his ideas because they are culturally unacceptable, "insensitive", not PC, politically correct. but this is just kneejerk reactions. what is the truth? something cannot be false merely because it is highly annoying to you personally.
"I doubt women fear masturbation as a form of retaliation for not putting out enough -- in case you didn't know, women can masturbate, too."
maybe retaliation is not the right word, but it can be a very big issue in relationships. surprised you dont realize this. maybe you have never confronted the issue in your own relationship. example, a friend of my sig.other caught her husband doing this and threatened him with divorce over it, including other issues, and made him go to a psychologist over it.
if I am not mistaken there are some studies that show when female ratios outnumber males, I more that 50-50, there is less dating and more "hooking up" which tends to support the authors assertions.
also you reject the idea of sex as a commodity. this is an oversimplification, but many, many serious researchers study dating and marriage as a market-based phenomenon, its a basic model that explains very much of the dynamics/phenomena that is observed. ps try the excellent documentary eg on netflix, "the science of sex appeal". just watched this recently and you will find it remarkable
I doubt that study about sex with strangers would be much different today--if any difference, the number of guys who said yes would go down. AIDS was unknown in 1978 and barely on the radar of the gay male community, let alone the straight college kids community, in 1982.

VERY, VERY, VERY few females are going to say "yes" to a random stranger who asks them for sex. This has nothing to do with sexual appetites and everything to do with fear of ending up being kept in a pit in someone's basement.

Also, what said studies that supposedly "prove" that males are more likely to have sex with near-strangers fail to take into account is that it takes two to tango. For every guy that's having a one-night stand, there's a woman having that one-night stand with him.

Now, since the population is almost evenly divided between men and women, the average man cannot have more sex partners than the average woman. Even if all the guys are banging the village slut and every woman BUT the village slut is chaste and pure, the village slut's lifetime tally evens things out.
The amount of sex you have should be directly correlated to how successful you are in life

You mean, how well you relate to other human beings, how well you can figure your way through difficult situations...oh, wait, Mr. Regnerus means how much paper wealth you can amass in a given year, doesn't he? Sheeit, if paper wealth were a prerequisite for a sexual relationship I would have kept my virginity a damn sight longer than I did!

If you give out the milk for free, he'll never buy the cow!

I'm told that some of the ladies have another saying: "Why buy the whole hog when all you want is a little sausage?" Just sayin'!

But seriously, why are so many articles about sex and sexuality in the mass media so much poopadoodle? 30 years ago, at the peak of the AIDS epidemic, casual sex was the ultimate bete noire. The news media couldn't stop trumpeting "Casual sex is death!" all through the 1980s into the 90s only stopping toward the end of Clinton's first term (might the Lewinski affair have had anything to do with that?).

men are from MARS and women are from VENUS. We think differently and what drives us is different. Men are physically driven while we are emotionally driven.

You could have fooled me. These popular truisms from pop-psychology books fail to take into account individual needs, desires and character traits. I have it on good authority that there are guys who dream of committed coupledom and girls who just want to have fun.
I've always hated that cow/milk platitude. Women should be enjoying sex when they want it. I never wanted to get married, either, until it made financial sense, which for me was when I already had one foot in the grave.
vzn, I agree with your take on this issue / post.

Some of the research may be old, but we haven't changed all that much. I've always thought that women do not fully take advantage of the power they have in relationships. I'm not saying to take advantage of their power in a bad way, but use it to their advantage in a positive way.
This is very well-written by you, and you make some excellent points.

I used to feel more like you when I was younger, but I no longer do. There is nothing more degrading than being thrown out with the morning's garbage by a person that you felt very intimate with, and that you thought valued you. This applies to both men and women.
Also, living with someone sometimes means that you are allowing them to try you out and see if you are good enough. Again, this can be incredibly demeaning. You can see someone for a long time and accomplish the same thing without the degrading aspects.

An unmarried person is still risking death from AIDS, and no birth control is 100% safe, so you may still have to destroy a living fetus for your night's pleasure.

This about this. I have only your welfare in mind.
@vzn, I think @Leeandra and others here have a great point -- the researchers of that study wanted to correlate women's turning down casual sex with strangers with women's decreased sexual appetite. The problem is that yes, it was the '80s and the AIDS epidemic very salient, but I think even more than that is the risk involved in having sex with a stranger. A recent study challenging this '80s study found that women felt more risk than men when it came to casual sex with strangers (it found the come-on used by the male strangers in the study to be "uniquely repulsive" to women).

So it's not that it proves women's sexual appetite isn't as strong, but women have a lot more to take into account risk-wise when it comes to casual sex with strangers.
You make some good points here. To base one's contemporary opinion piece on badly outdated data is foolish and misleading. Like Caracalla's Amanuensis, I do have to agree that people in their twenties today are not the way they were 50, 30 or 20 years ago. Sociologists and psychologists are saying that the twenties today is a new developmental stage they refer to as "emerging adulthood". I think this especially applies to young men.