Whatever side of this issue you believe to be right, we may disagree vehemently and I will not call for your death.

Sounds like a statement made with comedic intent... sadly, today it's not funny at all.

I pulled these from another post on the same topic: False Premise: Life is Sacred...

Well done. Abortion is such an inflammatory issue it's rarely discussed in a civil manner.

If we eliminate the religious element (which can't be done) we could have civil discourse and apply rational thought...

This however is a dream that will not be tolerated.
jay busse

June 01, 2009 11:43 PM
I don't want to get into an argument. But miracles by definition simply don't happen 60 billion times over the past few thousand years.

They cease being miracles when they happen all the time and especially when it happens to such a bunch of undeserving carbon based lifeforms as we humans.

Death from another's hand is callous when the intent is masked by political insanity. --rated--

O'reilly had nothing to do with it.

You have showed no link or anything to even say that this guy knows who Bill O'reilly even is. So if he doesn't watch the Factor how would O'reilly's words have caused him to do something.

Yes, O'reilly wanted "action" taken and he got it. The courts in KS tried the man and were getting ready for round two which was a different charge on doing abortions to late. Round one had to do with the procedure that Tiller went through to get approval to do them. Never has O'reilly said that someone should take the law into their own hands and kill this man.

Also the guy was crazy. The ideas that he had in his head were his own. I don't think that O'reilly talked him into it any more than you, or anyone else, could have talked him out if it.

He was just an extremist like some of the people here and it doesn't matter what you say, they are going to believe what they want, and do what they want.

Actually I don't know how to do links... but feel free to check out: Operation Rescue, which I did mention Roeder posted on and used O'Reilly's clips as rallying cries...

It was in the video as well.

Olberman is the last person to talk about inflamatory speech. If soeone tried to assasinate Bush he would be just as accountable. That said, O'Riley is responsible for talking about abortion in a way that was much worse than just repectfully disagreeing. On the one, hand, yeah, partial birth abortions, where they suck the brain out of a conscious being while they scream is brutal. I would not have pleasant words for it, because it does seem like murder to me. But I wouldnt say that in his position or incite people to hate the guy. When you have that kind of influence you really have to watch what you say, and that includes Olberman and his hate speech. he is like a liberal Ann Coulter. Again, I've said just as bad things about GWB, but I am not on television.

True, they should hold themselves to a higher standard. I'm not sure it's ever OK to call for the death of someone you disagree with.

Hitler, Stalin and Mao are in a league of their own.

I also have derided GW... but never called for his death. Or implied it'd be OK if somebody took him out.

I watched O'Reilley tonight and he looked really fucking nervous. He surrounded himself with sycophants he reassured him that he has nothing to do with this. He did though.

I guess I should mention I'm not in lock-step with Olbermann, but in this case I found his words and the clips he showed as evidence compelling.

I long for the days of Walter Cronkite, the work CBS and the other 3 networks did showing the atrocities of the Vietnam War did much to bolster the anti-war movement. Today we sit in a vacuum consumed by talentless swizel sticks like Paris Hilton.

While the war plays on...

Agreed Roger...

I meant "they reassured him".

You know me Roger, I'm not a grammatical or semantic nazi.

I go with the flow.

Are you at least a semantic socialist or a grammatical Burmese Unionist?

Back on topic: There are many excellent posts tonight on the topic of O'Reilly and his ridiculously scary actions.

He operates as though he is above reproach and accountable to no one. I'm stunned that he's allowed to operate with no guidelines.

Actually I'm disappointed people listen to him.

Yes, you're right, Jay; we *were* both thinking along the same lines. Listening to Olbermann is what pushed me over the edge and into "rant" territory.

Rants can be cathartic. I enjoyed yours very much.

For those wanting a different approach but same take, click on Douglas...

Kudos to Olberman.
I hope Fox and the spoorcasters they put on air get named in the lawsuit.
Been busy, missed this. Thanks.

This topic is filling the bandwidth here.

Although the majority opinion leans in the way of my opinion it doesn't make me right.

It's just the way I believe. I wrote a much more thoughtful post on Abortion not so long ago... I thought OS handled it pretty well.

Paul, this is an OK post on a worthy topic. I rushed it because I was emotional.

Thanks though...

O'Reilly is as complicit in Tiller's murder as Martin Luther King was in making more people join the Klan.

Do any of you people who accuse O'Reilly of having anything to do with this man's murder actually think before you speak or write?

Or is it your anti-Fox agenda that is driving you?

Peopel like the man who murdered Tiller are not driven by some talk show guy. They are driven by their own sick ideology.

O'Reilly is still a blowhard though. But not an accessory to murder.

"O'Reilly is still a blowhard though. But not an accessory to murder."

Kinda like you blackfoam, 'cept he's gotta' a radio program which lots of "peopel" listen to.

(and rated)

So in the only comparison I can draw on, Don Imus gets fired for a derogatory remark about the Rugers Women's basketball team a couple of years back (and I felt rightly so) and O'Reilly who spreads murderous hatred doesn't even have to apologize? Our country is in a downward spiral.

Kinda like you blackfoam, 'cept he's gotta' a radio program which lots of "peopel" listen to.
markinjapan
June 02, 2009 08:48 AM

When one has nothing rationla to contribute they attack the messenger. Typical.

O'Reilly who spreads murderous hatred doesn't even have to apologize? Our country is in a downward spiral.
Kind of Blue
June 02, 2009 09:32 AM

Murderous hatred? Do you suppose you could give us a rational explantion of murderous hatred? Other than your own agenda driven point of view.

People here on OS are held accountable for their words. Bill O'Reilly can say what he wants with zero accountability.

You ask if we think before we speak. I watched and listened to his clips. I proposed he should hold himself (others like him should as well) to a higher standard because of his position.

Telling a sick person (even in ideology) they're right in thought and to do as they see fit. Is tantamount to telling Dahmer it's OK if you eat people we have a food shortage.

Then sit back and claim you did nothing wrong. It's his crass, arrogant, non-plussed response that irritates me. I'm better than you, I can say anything I want... I'm absolved by God, I'm a God Warrior/Terrorist.

Anything I do in the name a free speech and ratings and money is free and clear of responsibility. If someone has to die for my ratings... so be it. At least it was a doctor who I deemed unworthy of life... I Bill O'Reilly deemed unworthy and therefore it is so.

Words have meaning. They carry weight. Saying that O'Reilly played no part in Tiller's murder is the equivalent of saying that the Declaration of Independence played no role in the American Revolution. When one makes statements which constantly dehumanize and degrade an individual or a group, one cannot therefore refuse responsibility for an individual who treats that individual or group inhumanely.

Nazi propagandists were executed for their roles in creating a climate which not only allowed but encouraged the Holocaust. This is no different.

Nazi propagandists were executed for their roles in creating a climate which not only allowed but encouraged the Holocaust. This is no different.
RenaissanceLady
June 02, 2009 01:33 PM

Good Lord!!!!!! A drama queen!!

It just never ends. People blaming someone or something else for the sick actions of another.

This murderer had a record long before O'Reilly got involved with Tiller. Whose fault was it then?

Again, there is more to it than what you've picked out.

He has no remorse. He doesn't think he did anything wrong. He's above the fray.

He could've at least said I'm sorry the man is dead. But he didn't.

Religion is the guilty party here. If it weren't for religion the Tiller would not be dead. People would be better informed and not bring children into the world to die... hey, maybe they'd use birth control and not reduce the need for abortions...

O'Reilley is just spewing dangerous religious dogma, he knows his followers will swallow and continue to follow.

I just checked out the website:Army of God as Dana Douglas mentioned in her excellent post.

I'd expect something like this from Osama Bin Laden... frightening.

Tha Nation also has a well thought out article on this topic: Countering Anti-Choice Terrorism.

When people have nothing "rationla" to say, they just outright lie.

"This murderer had a record long before O'Reilly got involved with Tiller. "

Better double check your facts on this one blackfoam - I just did.

Interesting phenomena that the self-righteous "religious" right rarely, if ever, rely on facts to support their frothing at the mouth.

Facts are anathema (go dig out your kiddy dicktionary for that one, clueless one) to folk like you.

Oh by the way, if you didn't notice, you truly are a slimy dickhead - no offense to slime, dicks, or heads, all of which serve a purpose, unlike you.

I find it incomprehensible that this pseudo moralist (Olberman) is still on the air. Even if he thinks this, for Olberman to do this reduces his credibility as an observant commentator and demonstrates that he is biased beyond reason. A really concerned person would call for middle ground dialogue. Instead Olberman calls for the silencing of O’Reilly. (What is the difference between what he says about O’Reilly and what O’Reilly says about Dr. Tiller?)

And how sad to exploit Dr. Tiller’s death. Just because Dr. Tiller would agree doesn’t mean we go there to pound on Fox. Olberman is so transparent here it is would be laughable if it weren’t so serious a matter. He hates the fact that O’Reilly is catholic and doesn’t hide his moral position. Too bad Olberman can’t connect with the majority. He has such a vivid imagination he should write fiction. This is purely Olberman fishing for ratings.

There are as many sickos on the left as the right. This tragedy was carried out by a deranged man. Like all sick people, they are influenced by whatever doctrine supports their sickness. Period.

Any well informed person who watches a healthy dose of both left and right leaning news & commentary knows that O'Reilly had nothing to do, directly or indirectly with Dr. Tillers death, any more than Olberman is responsible for the animal rights extremist bombings of Daniel Andreas.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,517233,00.html

http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/Ecoterrorism.asp?LEARN_Cat=Extremism&LEARN_SubCat=Extremism_in_America&xpicked=4&item=eco

Was CNN responsible for the shooting of the young new recruit soldiers at the recruiting station because of their no-stop (until Obama’s election) relentless negative reporting about Iraq and the effect on domestic terror recruiting?

It must be tough living in the shadow of a giant of the faith like Frances Schaeffer. Frank Schaeffer has denigrated his fathers’ legacy and has all but renounced his faith. He now is building his own legacy among the god haters of the world by validating the very lifestyles and practices his father worked his whole life to help people overcome.

Leave it to Olberman and Schaeffer to misquote these particular miniscule, hardly read unnamed passages from his dead fathers writings to make his sorry point.

Was Malcom X deranged when he said “by whatever means necessary”? Was Spike Lee moved by those same words to direct “Do he Right Thing”?

To blame any persons speech for any other person’s actions (in this case a deranged man with a history of extreme behavior) is backwards thinking. It fundamentally violates our right to free speech and places blame on the wrong people. Discourse is what makes this country great. Olberman wants to stop that. He is bad juju.

Asking for middle ground when an anti-abortionist has murdered a pro-abortionist seems a tad wishful.

O'Reilly and the rest of the Christian anti-abortionists had the chance here to make a statement vehemently disagreeing with murder as a viable option.

Instead they sat quietly and said little. Leaving it open to debate as to whether they secretly find this acceptable.

Olbermann simply showed clips and commented.

I only used him and the clips from his show because they were in agreement with how I was feeling. But he's really irrelevant to the discussion.