JULY 3, 2009 5:28PM

Living With A Narcissist

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Poor guy, you've been the victim all your life.  It's a real shame. Nothing "ever" goes your way. Everyone else has it better.  No one works as hard as you. No one tries as hard as you. No one does anything right like you. You're never fairly compensated. You're never appreciated enough. You always have to do it all. No one but you ever takes any responsibility. That's got to be rough to live that way. No wonder you're so monumentally unhappy.

And your sense of entitlement. For God's sake, your sense of entitlement! For some bizarre reason, you feel automatically entitled to and feel you deserve to be loved and appreciated. You feel entitled to be treated like a god. You feel entitled to be respected, to be treated with deference. You feel entitled to be adored by the masses.  And when it doesn't go exactly as you believe it should in your mind - your life just seems to spiral out of control. Everyone else is crazy. Everyone else is selfish, and we head right back to the top where you reclaim your victimhood.  And yes, it's we, because everyone else is always to blame. Nothing is EVER your fault. The world owes you and it owes you now.

Well. Get a grip. Get ahold of yourself for God's sake. Grow. The. Fuck. Up.

 You'll never get what you think is rightfully yours until you give up your claim to entitlement and victimhood. You'll be appreciated when you don't demand it. You'll be loved when you don't try to manipulate it.

With the help of our marriage counsellor last year, I've gone ahead and diagnosed you. You're a narccisist.

This is a bit lengthy, but it hits the nail on the head. You need to read this, but who am I kidding....you'll never get it.


The Narcissistic Vampire Checklist


THE SMARTEST, MOST TALENTED, ALL-AROUND BEST PERSON IN THE WORLD TEST:

True or false? Score one point for each true answer.

1. THIS PERSON HAS ACHIEVED MORE THAN MOST PEOPLE HIS OR HER AGE.

2. THIS PERSON IS FIRMLY CONVINCED THAT HE OR SHE IS BETTER, SMARTER, OR MORE TALENTED THAN OTHER PEOPLE.

3. THIS PERSON LOVES COMPETITION, BUT IS A POOR LOSER.

4. THIS PERSON HAS FANTASIES OF DOING SOMETHING GREAT OR BEING FAMOUS, AND OFTEN EXPECTS TO BE TREATED AS IF THESE FANTASIES HAD ALREADY COME TRUE.

5. THIS PERSON HAS VERY LITTLE INTEREST IN WHAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE THINKING OR FEELING, UNLESS HE OR SHE WANTS SOMETHING FROM THEM.

6. THIS PERSON IS A NAME DROPPER.

7. TO THIS PERSON IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO LIVE IN THE RIGHT PLACE AND ASSOCIATE WITH THE RIGHT PEOPLE.

8. THIS PERSON TAKES ADVANTAGE OF OTHER PEOPLE TO ACHIEVE HIS OR HER OWN GOALS.

9. THIS PERSON USUALLY MANAGES TO BE IN A CATEGORY BY HIM OR HERSELF.

10. THIS PERSON OFTEN FEELS PUT UPON WHEN ASKED TO TAKE CARE OF HIS OR HER RESPONSIBILITIES TO FAMILY, FRIENDS, OR WORK GROUP.

11. THIS PERSON REGULARLY DISREGARDS RULES OR EXPECTS THEM TO BE CHANGED BECAUSE HE OR SHE IS IN SOME WAY SPECIAL.

12. THIS PERSON BECOMES IRRITATED WHEN OTHER PEOPLE DON'T AUTOMATICALLY DO WHAT HE OR SHE WANTS THEM TO DO, EVEN WHEN THEY HAVE A GOOD REASON FOR NOT COMPLYING.

13. THIS PERSON REVIEWS SPORTS, ART, AND LITERATURE BY TELLING YOU WHAT HE OR SHE WOULD HAVE DONE INSTEAD.

14. THIS PERSON THINKS MOST CRITICISMS OF HIM OR HER ARE MOTIVATED BY JEALOUSY.

15. THIS PERSON REGARDS ANYTHING SHORT OF WORSHIP TO BE REJECTION.

16. THIS PERSON SUFFERS FROM A CONGENITAL INABILITY TO RECOGNIZE HIS OR HER OWN MISTAKES. ON THE RARE OCCASIONS THAT THIS PERSON DOES RECOGNIZE A MISTAKE, EVEN THE SLIGHTEST ERROR CAN PRECIPITATE A MAJOR DEPRESSION.

17. THIS PERSON OFTEN EXPLAINS WHY PEOPLE WHO ARE BETTER KNOWN THAN HE OR SHE IS NOT REALLY ALL THAT GREAT.

18. THIS PERSON OFTEN COMPLAINS OF BEING MISTREATED OR MISUNDERSTOOD.

19. PEOPLE EITHER LOVE OR HATE THIS PERSON.

20. DESPITE THIS PERSON'S OVERLY HIGH OPINION OF HIM OR HERSELF, HE OR SHE IS REALLY QUITE INTELLIGENT AND TALENTED.

Scoring: Five or more true answers qualifies the person as a Narcissistic Emotional Vampire, though not necessarily for a diagnosis of Narcissistic Personality. If the person scores higher than ten, and is not a member of the royal family, be careful that you aren't mistaken for one of the servants.

By ALBERT J. BERNSTEIN, Ph.D.

 

Congratulations! You got 17 out of 20. You're certified. And I will no longer be your royal servant.

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Anyone who knows him knows I ain't kidding.
Congratulations on breaking free.
One trait left out however--
they never forget--or forgive--an injury, no matter how slight or how false. They always want revenge. Forever.
o'stephanie - you are 100% correct. I will NEVER be free of him. And I thought I was the crazy one all these years...
I've read a lot about the narcissistic personality disorder, I lived with a father who has that sickness. The worst is that they have no sense of remorse for those who they hurt. I have NEVER heard a person who has that sickness, ever day I am sorry and mean it. Once I did, but it was as he was yelling. As I was leaving.
JK, you too? That's too bad. This disorder is SO difficult because other people only see the "fabulous" side of this person. If they only knew the real truth. No would ever believe me.
Julie, thank you. Good for ME. :)

Christine - ugh. I know what you mean. I got plenty of sorry's, but the "mean it" part was never there. So sorry your father has this.
I still remember the day I let my first husband go who I assume you must have met as you are talking about him! :)
At the restraining order meeting when the psychologist said if you would like we can invite him in and I can counsel you both...............My heart and head went screw that I was done.
I hope you find your day as well!
Oh, man. I got a stomach-ache just reading the list.

I've never been in an intimate relationship with a narcissist, but... may I just say, I work as a lobbyist and am surrounded by politicians much of the time ... ummmm ...

and now I will shhhhhhhh myself.

All the best to you as you break free.
I hope you will be free of him. Just cause he wants revenge, does not mean he gets it.
let it drive him nuts!
Hey Jay, I recognize that narcissist! And please remind me to never get on your bad side by being an utter dick like he is. Yikes!
i just came on OS in between things and promised myself I was only going to be on for 5 minutes and I am so glad I saw this post. I have known so many people who fit many, many of the criteria on here. The only thing I ever do is remove them from my life cause I don't put up with this stuff. But I have never had a way to talk about it, I never know how to explain this. This is actually really helpful. Thanks and congrats to you for seeing it in your ex.
There must be some reason that I attract these people like a plague. O'Stephanie is right. They never forget a slight, real or perceived, and they WILL get even.
You just keep getting stronger and wiser, don't you?
Hands out to you. A weight must be lifted. Enjoy the light feeling.
that be some serious righteous indignation you got there. good for you. don't forget when he tries to turn on the charm.
Lunchlady, I too said "screw it". There comes a time when you just know it's DONE.

Wakingupslowly: count yourself lucky. It's gotta suck working with a bunch of 'em!

JK, you're right. Eventually the truth will come out. Unfortunately there will be years of bullshit while they all figure it out. Your sister married 2???? How in God's name did that happen? NEVER EVER will I get involved with another narcissist. Or anyone that comes even close.

o'stephanie, I AM free of him. And believe me, it's KILLING him. Guess what? I WIN and he LOSES!!! (no, I'm not bitter....)

Nana - yep. Hell hath no fury like a woman who's been scorned by a narcissist for 20 some years. HEAR ME ROAR.
You know I really think I know this person.. I am not joking seriously I really think I know him/her...
Great post..
Ariana - I did remove him from my life last year. Only I can't seem to fully get rid of him. Horror has set as I realize I'll NEVER fully get rid of him. I truly never knew it as narcissim until last year when our counsellor suggested it. For some reason, this week it's really hitting me. It's EXACTLY what he is. Why did I not learn this earlier, and realize I was fighting a losing battle. Frustrating.

Emma, you and me both gotta figure that out. My stbx is the ONLY person I've known like this. GOD FORBID I meet another one.

Duane - every day baby, every day.

AnneMarie - in a way, it's a weight off my shoulders. Only in a way.
WAH, I can see it and I can call it and I can say it out loud. I only hope that it can help me some day. My extreme sympathies that you have your own ex like this.

Fireeyes - really? You know him? It's a small world isn't it? Thanks for stopping by.
Maybe not the same him.. But one just like him.. I divorced him almost 24 years ago.. Plus unfortunately I have met a couple like him in life. So be careful there are more like him in the world.
Cap'n. I got his number. He does indeed turn on the charm. But I ain't falling for it. He can't hide his true self. Not from me.
Fireeyes, I'll NEVER let that happen again. I have outgrown the need to suffer.
I loved the attitude and energy towards that narcissist in particular and all narcissists by extension; and I loved the writing. You are a corageous girl!
Kisses and congrats,
Marcela
Thanks Brian. I want to move to Thunder Bay. Would that be okay? Would that be far enough from Oz? I'm not sure anywhere is far enough from Oz.
Marcella, Today seems to be a turning point. My attitude and energy just seem to be forcing its way out today. I may be courageous, (and thank you) but it sure as hell took me long enough to get to this point. Thanks for your reinforcement. I need all of that I can get.
So, THIS is where my ex-husband has been- with YOU!
I have also been touched by this disorder. My ex-wife is narcissistic and I lived with her for 25 years. Now I am free and it feels great. Your vampire list is amazing. Thanks for this and good luck!!
What do a narcissist and a sperm have in common? Both have about a one in 3 million chance of becoming a human being.

Thank you for your post. The Vampire list is priceless.
You did the right thing by getting away. Good for you.
Janie, it IS unbearable. There's no better word for it. Sorry you had to deal with it as well, but at least he's an X. Yes?

Deepcleav: Well...thank you. The further I get out from it, the more I am able to see the truth.

MB - Ha!! Don't send him my way! Congratulations on your escape.

Roger - 25 years huh? Hideous. I had almost 22. Life is exponentially better these days. I have little kids and I see that I'm not going to shake him for good. He makes every little transaction difficult. Conrats to you for getting out.

Obsolete! Awesome! My first narcissist joke. Hehehe.... :)

Natalie - I am so glad I made the jump. I never once doubted that it was the right thing to do. Thanks.
I've had a bunch of these in my life--and didn't even realize it until after the breakup with the last one, and a chance stumbling across the term in Cary Tennis's column. Apparently I'm like catnip to them, since I'm good at taking care of people and giving them what they need. A short list:

Both parents.
Brother
Ex-wife
Uncountable girlfriends
Many "friends"


I'm learning to recognize and avoid them, but it's not easy, because as many of the books point out (I read a lot of those books on NPD), when you first meet them, narcissists are amazingly attractive. Like, as you say, vampires.

Oh, and be careful in checking out websites about narcissism; many of them are actually the work of a person whom I'm pretty sure is himself a narcissist (he's way grandiose), and I believe he might have one or more alter egos, judging by writing style.
Floyd, I hear ya. I think certain types of people tend to draw narcissists, for the reason you mentioned. You know how to take care of people, and so do I (I'm a nurse). It's what I do. Narcissists are drawn to that.
So sorry you've got so many in your life!
I think there are many types of narcissists, some more extreme than others, but it's shocking how many are out there.
I had the same thoughts about the article I posted, the Vampire list. This one was a little (okay - a lot) tongue-in-cheek. It still rings true though. I've looked at official websites and am still convinced I have a narcissist on my hand. I would never have come up with that on my own, but our marriage counsellor suggested it.
All I've known these last 20-some years is that I was married to someone very "difficult", someone who manipulated, someone who was obsessive (not compulsive), someone who made me feel crazy with the way he spun words. It's very hard to explain that type of personality. I saw the vampire list and in my head a bell rang "ding! ding! ding!". A light went on. Fireworks went off (or that could've just been the neighborhood). But that's HIM.
I didn't know the "spinning words" thing was a narcissistic trait, but it makes sense. That frustrates the hell out of me.

My last one used to pretty much completely change personalities at times...and not in a good way. It was--weird.

And by the way, I just noticed a grammatical error in my last comment. God, I wish we could edit these stupid things.
Well, the spinning words might not be a trait, but it sure is a part of my x's personality. He could talk circles around me until I no longer knew what we were even talking about. I suddenly became the stupid one, the one who'd made the mistake and he was suddenly the victim, the one perpetrated on. It always blew me away.
I have always said there were "two" people inside my ex. The good one and the bad one. I had sympathy for the good one for years, but once I realized I was fighting a losing battle, I lost 98% of that sympathy.
The last two percent is there in hopes that he'll get help so that my children don't become permanent victims of his as well.
If you're interested, check out this link. It's from a book and it absolutely blew me away. I'm pretty sure I need counselling now!
http://samvak.tripod.com/faq6.html
J Lynne, a book you may find interesting is "Malignant Self Love: Narcissism Revisited" by Sam Vaknin, Ph.D.

The author is that rarest of birds: a diagnosed narcissist who's able to explain what narcissism is like from the inside. It's actually written for therapists -- which is ironic, since narcissists never, ever seek treatment. But if you want to truly understand the inner life of a narcissist (it ain't purty) -- this book will blow your mind.

The bulk of the book is written in an FAQ format, which makes it very easy to dip into whatever topics you may be particularly curious about, and is divided into three sections "Narcissism: The Disorder," "Narcissism and Society," and "Narcissism and Family."

After reading this book I was finally able to spot a narcissist at 50 yards, and haven't had one of any stripe in my life for 15 years.

Great post. Good luck to you. ;)
OMG, I just read your comment right above mine! YES. Get this book.

Do you need therapy? Depends. Therapy is ultimately about self-understanding. After reading this book, I had a few sessions just to ask questions about some general things that I still didn't understand, and about the way some things the book describes had specifically played out in my own life. After a couple more sessions to really process some of the emotional stuff all that brought up, it turned out I was done.

The book can be difficult to read, emotionally. It's well-written, very clear and precise -- dispassionate, even. It brought up a lot of anger in me, for things that I had put up with. But in the end, it felt like a burden lifted. There's nothing like having all of your feelings completely validated by yet another narcissist! Ironic, eh?

Ultimately, you get the sweetest revenge of all: narcissists always die alone, with only their rage for companionship.
WriterVixen - You're right. The innerlife of a narcissist ain't purty. In fact, it's downright scary.
Well, my question about therapy is because since my separation almost a year ago, he's still affecting me in major ways. Most notably with our kids. I fear for my children having to live with this man half the time. How can I protect them? And I might need that therapy so that I can relate to other people (men) without fearing the manipulations that I've lived with for so long. It's extremely hard for me to trust anyone at this point.
The good news is: I DO feel validated for ONCE! I don't feel like I'm the crazy one anymore. I just take comfort in knowing that he'll show his true self to those that matter, and one day, they'll understand my actions. Thanks so much for your support.
Narcissist huh. That's what you call it. What a shame that you spent so much time guilting about HIS freaky sickness.
btw how would you diagnose my ex albatross?
Borderline Personality Disorder Trig. All the way. I'm gonna call it. Sounds so mild, doesn't it? Borderline personality.
HAHAHA!!! I could tell you stories of a few Borderline patients I've had. My most difficult: I'll call her "Ruby". I HATED Ruby. So un-nurse like of me....
Just saw this. Quite well written. Sorry it had to come from personal experience though. But sounds as if you've broken free.
Thanks Grif. I have broken free. And each day I'm thankful all over again. Never looked back once.
Seriously, I think I dated this guy. He wouldn't happen to be a talent agent would he? That relationship was like Christians to lions. Believe it or not, his ex-wife was the one who helped me snap out of his blame cycle. I am forever grateful to her for sparing me 20 years of his misery that she went through and continues to go through because they have 2 children. I don't recommend talking to the ex's but if he seems crazy sometimes they can tell you things to validate what you are feeling and he's denying. All the best to moving on.
Dotcom,
Nope, he's not a talent agent! Ha!
That's interesting about his ex giving you help. You really do have to thank her! I have 20 years and 2 kids with mine also. Hmmm....
I think one of the hardest things I've ever done is grappling with the narcissists in my life. Beware, what I found is that there wasn't just one... It started with my parents, and I've been surrounding myself with them ever since - including bosses and friends.

Congratulations! I know how difficult this is, how painful this is, and how disorienting this is to do.
Good for you lady. I applaud you.

I have a brother-i-law that would likely get about the same score and fit o'stephanie's response as well. The wild thing is, he's 52 years old and lives off of his mother, with his mother and hasn't held a job for more than one year at a time, hasn't worked in 6 years and as o'stephanie says, remembers every wrong ever done to him, even if he has to make it up.
This is a truly interesting post. How frustrating to live with this kind of person, wow. Well, it sounds like you know your own mind and I am thoroughly certain you will be happy not being a Royal Servant to that Royal Pain. Just noticed the tags. Laughing now, too. Go get 'em, tiger!
Que Risa! - Sorry you have narcissists as parents. But it is SO good that you can recognize it and hopefully realize that you're not crazy. You're right, it can be very disorienting.

Boomer - they're hideously difficult to deal with, aren't they? Tsk, tsk, tsk.

Outside Myself - yep! I'm on it now! The Royal Pain has gotten the Royal Boot. See my latest post!
They seem to be everywhere - I'm getting better at recognizing them but still get snared. They can be so charming at first and even pursue until they get what they want or think they have what they want.