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I’ve often wondered why neither Christ nor Socrates bothered to write anything down for posterity...
Isn't that an interesting question? Or not?.........I think it might be..
I do not know for sure, though...
what i know for sure is; both were executed by their societies,
where they “corrupted the youth” against the prevailing, let us say, paradigms , of the day. Different paradigms,
but the same in the sense of Sophistry ruling the day....
ruling OUR day...the smug assurance that Rationality
is to be cultivated like an asset for the destruction
of our opinionated detractors..those who
have peronal issues with us & our memes.
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Socrates said he knew nothing. This was his paradoxical key to claiming to be the wisest man.
Socratic method… confessings his own ignorance, asking his interlocutor to teach him.
Slowly, through questioning, Socrates brings out the truth--that his interlocutor is in fact
totally ignorant regarding this field.
The irony lies in Socrates' manner
of wholeheartedly accepting
his interlocutor's word
that he is indeed an expert.
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Christ said he knew nothing of his own, except what the Father gave him.
But he wasn’t afraid of ‘’evangalizing”. He spoke the truth as he saw it,
to people who needed some hope, some reason to continue...
God bless him….parables instead of interlocultion….good stories…
metaphors….like:
“The harvest truly
is plenteous, but the labourers are few;
Pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he will send forth labourers into his harvest”
also......
‘’, a sower went forth to sow; And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side,
and the fowls came and devoured them up: Some fell upon stony places,
where they had not much earth:
and forthwith they sprung up,
because they had no deepness of earth:
And when the sun was up, they were scorched;
and because they had no root, they withered away”
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The stony places are no place for seeds, but prophets or saviors must go there, and try to perpetuate their what is now called ''memes''...genes of ideas....
you cannot draw blood or water from stone, but sometimes
there comes a man who tries.........
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Socrates said he had a little voice in his head which he trusted…” a little voice in his head
that often warns him not to do things that could be of great danger to him.
That, for instance, is why he has always stayed away from politics,
having been warned by his divine sign
that he would meet with trouble.”
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IMAGINED DIAGLOGUE:
Jesus: “ a greek.”
Socrates: “a jew”
J: ‘welcome, sir, sit, have wine, I know of your enjoyment of it’’
(S and J sit down for a drink)
S: “ You drink, do you?”
J: “I have been called an imbiber and a glutton, yep.” Sip.
S: sip: “where I am from, these are not bad things.”
J: “”Greece…the glory..before the Romans elbowed in…”
S: “Ah, well, your land, the Romans , hm?”
J: “mmm. Occupation of our politics. Boring to me. “
S: “me as well. I get bored more & more and I get older. Their de jour ideas don’t interest me. I like to sting them with questions. We are a fine race of good strong men. We are overextended, now. War. Rumors of war. All that.”
Jesus: “Get in your cups, old traveler. If need be, I shall get in mine. This wine is well made. Not in the least, ha, watery..”
Socrates: “I heard about that. Nice trick of mass hypnosis, at that wedding.”
J: “thanks. Placebo effect. Drunkards are sources of raw immedicacy. What a prophet can profit from. “
They drank.
Whose wine it was...who brought it...they forgot.........
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Later, much later, Socrates has a flash of an idea. “A book, a collaboration, you and i? what say you?”
Jesus: “ I would defer it to my ghost writer…”
Raucous laughter. Patting of knees. Two men in understanding.
Socrates : “ my son Plato, my spiritual son, will make what I say public. He will extrapolate, from his poor old teacher’s words, but he will do well by me.”
Christ: “this will be my fate too.”
They drank in silence.

“why can’t we write ? what is our block? “
Socrates said this as he stretched out on the sofa.
Jesus was serious as ever, pondering his friend’s question until the drink made him get up & go out there and rile the troops again, for the 666th time. There was controversy regarding his improv. He had to elucidate...
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He left this ugly old Greek asleep on the sofa.
They were connected briefly, and each learned from the other.
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Socrates woke and stumbled home, and requested some kind of secretary. To write down his impromptu nonsense when he went out to the youth of Athens and tried to make them see what they were missing.
They were missing everything, and so was he, which was why he spoke
to them... but he went far too far, they said, his nation, yet..he
later died defending his nation, like a good soldier.
He never knew what happened to his friend……..


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Comments
they ARE them. easily debunked. when one
is, as allen ginsberg once said, 'in one's
right mind'...
i glory in blasphemy. it makes life interesting.
i fail to see how this carefully constructed,
historically accurate, fantasy, fits
into that category..
but i shall learn. like socrates, i know next to nothing.
Why would such a holy guy with connections use them to
get everyone good & drunk? Hemlock kinda was easier, compared
to crucifixion..ouch... hemlock was numbing...old Soc said he felt
himself going numb, kept up a good dialogue as he died.
CHICKEN; sophists have their own sphere of intellectual play.
like, governments, international policy, economic solutions.
etc. ah what is that to us, huh, uh, good blasphemous seekers
like our boys, above?
pilate: "king, ha,huh?"
jesus: "yep."
silence.
pilate: "well, uh..ok.."
jesus: "not of this world."
p: "oh shut ya damn fool. what damn kingdom? mine? the roman?"
j: "hardly. the kingdom not of the world, cantcha hear me?"
p: "yeah well this kingdom is all i know, these sophists tell me what is what. you know of somewhere else, hm? i doubt it. that aint gonna meet the 'truth criterion' "
jesus: " what is truth?"
p: "that is my line, man. dont go socrates on me."
J was quite the smartass. No wonder P finally washed his hands.
prophets have a smart ass side to them.
both of these fellas did. they foresaw the later medical
evidence that mirth
helps the mental
health. not of
sophists, but
of normal johns and peters & marys.
regularity is something we can always see, FOOLISH,
as long as we examine the true pith
of events...we should screw
with regularity, carefully........
Does that mean they got the publishing rights?
HUGGGGGGGGGGGG
rate
skilled writers. They didn't know any English, for one thing.
Also, they kept using words in very very different ways, from
not only themselves, but from their own selfs. it was a weird time.
DR lee: that is why i do not write anything that anyone ever sees.
Reading and writing were for geeks in those days. The idea of reading silently was unthinkable.
They were too busy to bother with high tech stuff.
and its subsequent documenting
would have made grand reading
perhaps a totally different religion
would have emerged from coupling
and what if they had a cup of coffee to sober up
would they have re-written the whole thing
so much to ponder
your imaginings bring me here
as a good Zen student
finds a new koan to tempt
her monkey mind
rated with love
Theogony & Work and Days. Write Kerry's words?
Some folk are Reliable and True. Then - Kerry's ilk?
`
Hateful Strife bore painful Toil,
Neglect, Starvation, and tearful Pain,
Battles, Combats, Bloodshed and Slaughter,
Quarrels, Lies, Pretences, and Arguments,
Disorder, Disaster - neighbors to each other -
and Oath, * who most harms humans on earth,
when someone knowingly swears false.
`
Hesiod
`
Kerry s a archetype who ... (never mind)
`
the whispering of girls, smiles, deceptions;
sweet pleasure, intimacy, and tenderness.
`
Gaud. These Speakers knew intimacy...
Kerry's ill/ilk - Hubris - and sad Ruins ...
They meander down life's path so Lost . . .
They'll (sad/sigh) never ever be Found.
`
It's sunset.
`
sleepy time
fearing the dark
he sings to himself
`
editor spends the eve
staring at chicken wings
and deleting what he fears
`
I've reasons for poking . . .
`
arachnida specialist
rereading 'Charlotte's Web'
in bed during dinner
`
editor fears spiders,
and fears horned bulls,
and pretends he's nice.
`
I knew I should not read.
He sure sidesteps issues.
Ask him: Do I look stupid?
`
Oh, I paused. Yes.
I'll post comment.
We live and learn.
Keep trying to get that stone to talk(or even think) James!
-r
Peripatetic, poetic, and chic.
Jesus, Aristotle, et tu Jaime? Legends in their times, out of their minds, speaking in rhymes, and walking all over the place.
Couldn't resist, sorry.
Your imagined dialogue is brilliant. If Socrates had lived at the same time as Jesus, in the same culture, I wonder if he'd have become a disciple or if he'd have mocked him. Questioning Christ using the Socratic method would have been interesting. As for why neither one wrote anything down - I'm sure you know this already but they lived in oral societies with low literacy rates.
in their lives.
This resonates with me.....
Pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he will send forth labourers into his harvest”
also......
‘’, a sower went forth to sow; And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side,
and the fowls came and devoured them up: Some fell upon stony places,
where they had not much earth:
and forthwith they sprung up,
because they had no deepness of earth:
And when the sun was up, they were scorched;
and because they had no root, they withered away”
I am trying to not wither away. I have faith and now what I believe, but in the darkest of night, I wonder at the things that go bump in the night and I sometimes crawl into a bawl and cry because I so badly want to get up and join them.
You are the only person I have not disappeared from in a friendship. And even you I have hurt, and I so apologize and will never stop saying it for fear the darkness will take over completely and you will be gone.
Sorry I took so long to get back here. Your blog is wonderful.
ALGIS; Pythagoras was a weird magic mystic, that is for sure. Here is something he ‘said’ :
There is no word or action but has its echo in Eternity.
Thought is an Idea in transit, which when once released, never can be lured back, nor the spoken word recalled. Nor ever can the overt act be erased All that thou thinkest, sayest, or doest bears perpetual record of itself, enduring for Eternity.
As quoted in Pythagoron : The Religious, Moral, and Ethical Teachings of Pythagoras (1947) by Hobart Huson, p. 99