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Jason D. Hill
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Jason D. Hill, Ph.D is an academic philosopher and fiction writer. He is the author of 3 books: "Becoming A Cosmopolitan: What it means to be a Human Being in the New Millennium." (Rowman&Littlefield, 2000); "Beyond Blood Identities: Post Humanity in the 21st Century," (Lexington Books, 2009) and "When We Should Not Get Along: Cosmopolitanism and Cultural Differences," (Anthem Press, January 2011). He has written for salon magazine, and penned several newspaper editorials in Europe and the United States. He was born and raised in Jamaica and in 1985, at the age of 20, came to America to become an artist. He has just completed his novel called, "Jamaica Preacher Man."

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SEPTEMBER 24, 2008 7:34AM

Is Sarah Palin Irresponsible For Having a Child At 44?

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“Well, isn’t she immoral for bringing that baby with Down syndrome into the world?” my friend barked angrily at me. “You’re the ethicist,” she smirked, making me feel as if I’d gotten Sarah Palin pregnant with her fifth child.

“This is an issue of choice and that’s the only issue covered in the moral realm here,” I said.

“Nonsense,” she countered. “She knew she was at an at-risk age, and she brought someone in the world who is at risk for all kinds of biological and medical problems. That child is not going to have a normal life. It’s going to be painful and it’s her fault.”

I said I needed to think through the issue some more. Moral judgment was a serious affair because it involved, among other things, the assignment of blame and responsibility.

My friend wouldn’t give me any more reasons for her position. So I took up the threads she left me with and followed them. It is possible that my friend feels deep empathy for children with Down syndrome and that this empathy informs her judgment about whether a woman who knows she’s at an “at-risk” age ought to get pregnant. You don’t actively bring a sick child into the world where he will suffer from social stigma and disadvantage, she probably reasons. To engage in the process of putting your “at-risk” status into action is narcissistically to put your own needs, values and beliefs before the welfare of a child.

The second concern my friend might have has to do with the issue of autonomy. Most of us go on to lead autonomous, self-governing lives. We are weaned from our parents and we cull independent lives infused with our values and principles. Independence, therefore, is an organic consequence of maturity, and it is one that we treasure. Our capacity for happiness and for leading the good life depends on autonomy and independence. A Down syndrome child would never enjoy this luxury. She would be dependent on her parents for the rest of her life. She would never know the thrill of enjoying the fruits of her own mind.

But, I reasoned to myself, this argument presupposes that autonomy is an overriding value that supersedes all others, including privacy for women. It overlooks the fact that dignity and the intrinsic moral value that all life has is still left intact even when autonomy is compromised. I thought immediately of my late grandmother who was paralyzed from the neck down as the result of a stroke. She was completely dependent on my mother and other family members for the fulfillment of her basic needs. Yet she watched television and laughed, communicated with her eyes and enjoyed a life of meaning for the five years she was in such a state.

I called my friend a few days later and laid out my arguments. The rejoinder was instantaneous.

“You didn’t do anything to deliberately compromise your grandmother’s life. Sarah Palin did just that,” she said. “She deliberately willed harm by acting irresponsibly.”

“Acting irresponsibly towards whom?” I asked.

“Towards the baby,” she responded.

“ Listen,” I said, “Your position implies that her immoral action was directed at an entity, a person. But it wasn’t. You can’t will an immoral or evil intention towards a non-entity. At the time she made the decision—if she actually made a decision—the infant did not exist.”

The conversation deteriorated and I knew I would not make any progress. So, here’s what I think. I am a liberal Democrat; therefore, I do not endorse Palin or her politics. But that’s irrelevant because this is an issue that concerns all women who decide to get pregnant at—in my friend’s words—an “at-risk” age. It is an issue that concerns fathers also. Why is it that men are absolved from moral culpability? Or is it the case that men are secondary players in the reproductive process and, therefore, are immune from the ethical slaps women are given?

Judging that a Down syndrome child cannot lead a meaningful life, or will lead a deeply compromised life, is problematic. That view overlooks empirical evidence to the contrary. It also displays a paucity of imagination. We discount the magic, the wonder of life itself, and the myriad capabilities that inform the human condition in general. We overlook the creativity exercised by mentally handicapped people in creating a life that is theirs and that is meaningful.

It is a form of immense hubris to speak on behalf of children with Down syndrome when we assume their lives will be like living hell here on earth. We cheapen the life of a Down syndrome child by turning him or her into a mindless automaton. If their condition puts them so far outside the range of normality, then we have placed them apart from the human condition. This means, tragically, that we have expelled them from the human community while we continue to act as their ethical custodians.

Getting pregnant at forty-four or at any age is a woman’s prerogative. In this issue, the enshrined value is: choice. I suppose what angered my friend was the knowledge that choice is never a given and is never morally neutral. It presupposes that some choices are exercised more responsibly than others, and that there are ethical criteria for making sound choices. This I know to be true; but when it comes to the exercise of reproductive rights, when the personal is inseparable from the political, we have to tread carefully. Too much is at stake and too much is subject to exploitation by those who would tamper with women’s reproductive rights. The knowledge it takes to make an informed ethical judgment is often gargantuan. Exercising premature judgments is riskier when we are tempted to forsake principle for political expediency.

And now, what do you think, morally reasoning readers?

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I think your friend is a jerk.

You seem pretty decent.
I don't think my friend is a jerk so much as she reacts emotionally and has strong opinions without knowng why she has them.
A philosophy prof would respond in such a way.

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The thing that bothers me least about Sarah Palin is that she had a Downs Syndrome baby or at 44. A lot of women are having children later in life. Yes, there's a risk, but I don't think that means that you should stop trying the minute you turn forty if you really want a child. She accepted the risk, she and her husband have the means to provide for him, and it was their decision to make to bring him into the world. It might not be my choice, but I respect her right to have made it. I think Downs Syndrome children can feel and think and have an okay time, even if they don't function at the level of a normal child or adult. They need to be in the care of a loving, responsible adult, but I don't see it as condemning them to an awful life, necessarily. A baby that was too sick or damaged to live long outside the womb, that's another thing. But I still think it's up to the parents to decide if they want to go through with it.

Having child after child you cannot or will not care for--
that's irresonponsible. What bothers me far more is that Palin has obligated her eldest daughter to be her baby brother's nanny--even if her daughter willingly took this on--at a time when her daughter is also likely to be feeling scared and vulnerable and needing some love and guidance herself. Any newborn is a big job to take care of, and a Down's Syndrome baby needs a lot of hands-on care. It's a thorny problem. I consider myself a feminist, but when you have a new born baby, for the baby, there's times when only Mommy will do. Little Trig Palin is getting shortchanged of bonding time.
Jason, I thought about what you wrote a little and have more to say.

I appreciate how you bring up the father and his responsibility in the equation. So often children and childbirth are only laid on the mother and men get off scott free. I also like how you endorsed choice as the prerogative of women. It ultimately is their body.

One of my cousins had a little girl with Down's ten years ago and you are right about misjudging the quality of their lives and experience. My cousin's kid loves to laugh and play and although I know it would have been an easier life for her to have been born "normal," I also know that she enjoys the world.

Watching so called liberal woman condemn Palin's choice has been troubling. Why is the choice of a conservative woman any less valid than theirs? The whole concept of privacy in the sphere of family and reproduction is to guarantee all women have the right to decide when to have children and when not to have children. Just because we might disapprove of a woman's politics is no reason to take away her rights. It reeks of partisanship and makes the liberals who spout off about Trig seem mean and low.

That said -- I am the last one to be discussing morality. If I had been in Palin's shoes, I would have aborted Trig - but I am staunch in my defense of her right to decide differently.
Shiral, why is all of the care taking Palin's responsibility? She does have a husband who changes diapers.

I don't see liberals crying out that Obama will be shortchanging his daughters if he wins the presidency. Why the sexist double standard?
Your post is very eloquent.

My response: Choose what you want to do, and I will choose what I want to do.

Of course, I can consider "your" choices irresponsible, or illogical, as "you" can mine.

As long as the law is defined as choice, that's what I support.
(obviously, my opinions are about reproductive choice, not ALL choice within the law.)

But, y'know...I do have a problem with women who take fertility drugs, become pregnant with a litter of fetuses, and refuse selective abortion on religious grounds. Because God already intervened in the selection process when he made those women infertile, if the are to really adhere to their own beliefs.

But, go ahead, have seven babies, three of whom are develpomentally delayed. I find it repugnant. But I won't try to stop you.
Thanks for writing this very thoughtful post. You have raised a complex and very important set of issues about disability, "choice," and the ways we view dependency/autonomy. I know that I am unsure what I would have done had I--at seven months pregnant--been informed that my daughter would be as disabled as she is today, rather than what I WAS told--that no one could be sure what would happen. I also know that parenting her has changed my view of that choice, and changed utterly my understanding of what it means to live with disabilities. It has also, however, made my husband and I decide not to have more children. As a woman nearly 40, the odds of having another child with a disability is high. As someone who absolutely adores her very disabled daughter, I know that I would bring any such pregancy to term, and that would be a choice that would be very difficult to manage--for all concerned. I guess I end up on both sides of your argument!
Thanks for this post. This issue has always been a source of conflict for myself. Working with kids with disabilities, I whole heartedly agree that children with a variety of challenges can both be blessed and be a blessings. That being said, throughout the years I've worked with parents that continue to have children even though they were aware that there was an enormous possibility that they would pass along the genetics that would produce children with a variety of disability issues. I worked with one family that had six children that were severely disabled. Working with this family made me think things I really wasn't comfortable thinking.
Yes, LT. Bohica.Fathers get off scotch free in the blame game. This is a shame. When we refer to pregnancy we should be referring to both parties--As in, we are pregant. This functions politically, of course; not literally.
I think she's a terrible person for knowing she was about to give birth to a child with Down's Syndrome, then going ahead and naming him "Trig." WTF? Even a physically healthy genius baby would be burdened with a name like that. Trig. If he had been a girl, why not PolySci? PhysEd. Or for the traditionalists, how about Home Ec?

Trig.

As for the "irresponsiblility" of having a child at 44 -- I don't know, are we supposed to stop having sex at age 43? I know Palin is ideologically opposed to birth control, but even if she were using it "religiously" (pun intended), there's no foolproof method. So I say no, not irresponsible.

Finally, the question assumes that a person with Down's is a lesser creature, an object of pity or scorn, who would literally be better off never having existed. I don't know that Sarah Palin or any of us can say that with accuracy. Certainty, maybe, but not accuracy.
irresponsible or immoral? these are two different questions and you raise them thoughtfully.

for my money, I don't think she gave much thought to getting pregnant or not. It doesn't seem like family planning was high on the Palin's priority list. As to bringing their child into the world, that is their choice and I do not presume to judge it.

What I find irresponsible is the casualness with which she seems to take this child and his condition. Neither she nor Todd Palin seem to think that a special-needs child will in any way disrupt their lives or that he may require both parents' full-time attention and care.

Yes, she may have caregivers and nannies and all that, but I remember spending 24/7 at Children's Hospital with my 2-week-old and I remember how difficult it was for my husband to work, sleep, and provide relief. It would have been irresponsible for either of us to take a demanding, high-powered job at that time.

So, she is either banking on not having any problems with little Trig (and I certainly am NOT wishing them on the child) or not having too much responsibility as VP, or [I'm having trouble even thinking it] President. That, to me, is irresponsible.

btw - I also remember all the babies there whose parents never showed up.
Sound ethical reasoning.

For me, I have a shortcut to arrive to the same answer. My focus on this question has to do with the nature of risk. Yes, women over 40 are at a significantly higher risk to bear children with Downs. It's a significant risk, but it is not a near certainty.

We make all sorts of risky decisions in our life. Ideally, we weigh the risks by taking into account the best and worse case scenarios; and the likelihood of either one or something in between happening. Having a healthy, normal child is a pretty good best case scenario. Even with a high risk, that's still the most likely scenario.

Look, I'm risk adverse, but I don't think your friend appreciates the nature of risk. It's an unavoidable aspect of life. One is in danger of being paralyzed from doing anything if oversensitive to taking risks.

If my wife was 44 and we already had children, I would not want to try for more. But I can't criticize someone else for calculating that risk differently. The choice to have another child with some of those risks is defensible.

Now of course I've said that people shouldn't have five kids in any case, but that is a whole different question from pregnancy risk and age.
At the end of the day, it matters a lot who is in the White House (and whatever undisclosed location the VP gets) but not for reasons related to this. And I think it's complicated enough to have philosophical arguments on matters like this without gratuitously tangling them with other issues people are passionate about for other reasons. Many people are not practiced at sorting out their reasons for thinking things, and so the issues just get confused. So I'd rather have this argument another day about another person.

If this were a bad thing, and it was Sarah Palin's only bad problem, then I think it wouldn't rise to the level of making her unqualified for office. I don't know if this is a bad thing, I'd want to think about it. But I know it's not Palin's only problem, so I'd rather focus on things that will affect large numbers of Americans instead.
I despise Sarah Palin's policies for many reasons, but having a child at age 44 is not one of them. They told my mother, in 1968, that her "oops" baby would "likely" be deformed in some manner, but she had no choice. We got the most stable and brilliant member of our family out of that mistake.

I have not "believed in" the covential wisdom about older women being at risk for a long time, and I don't think any woman should choose not to try based on age.

What I cannot fathom with Palin is, having borne this special needs child, she could take off out of his life to be a VP candidate. Or any child for that matter.

But to your specific post, I suspect your female friend is looking for a good reason to despise Sarah Palin, and I submit there are many better reasons than having a child at age 44.
IT'S NOT ABOUT SARAH PALIN! THE LESS WE SAY HER NAME THE MORE SHE WILL GO AWAY!
Sorry. I felt the need to shout. I'm new here, and I can't figure out how this whole thing works.

Anyway, there's no moral or ethical answer beyond choice. Choice assumes that you get to have an answer, which means divergent, different, difficult answers.

It's the nature of capitalists to violently disagree about something that they essentially agree on.
(If we had just used some diplomacy to allow Iraq to fully participate in the free market...oh well.)
I think it's none of our business.

I had a child at 43. Yes, there's a somewhat greater risk of Down's, but it was my personal business. And it's her's. We don't elect based on something like this, I hope. There's enough repugnance attached to her policy beliefs. Let's concentrate on that. Your friend is being judgmental about someone else's personal actions. She should be concentrating on her own personal actions instead.
Everybody should make their own decisions.

But someone needs to really care for that child and the other younger ones. I think there should be someone--I don't care whom--whose primary concern is the children. I don't think it can be farmed out and distributed as easily as many think. But if there's one person--and a loving nanny is fine--who really loves and cares for the baby, then Palin is way ahead of many families in America b/c she can afford quality care.
I think the question that's missing here is one about the nature of risk. Just because there's a risk that a decision or an action may have a "bad" outcome, does that mean that you immediately walk away from that decision or outcome? No. You calculate the risk. You figure out how much of the "bad" outcome you could tolerate and how much the "good" outcome will benefit you or someone else. You weigh them against one another. Or you don't think about the risk, deciding that it's easier not to contemplate it.

Though I in no way support Sarah Palin (and I encourage you all to read my sister's post about the McCain-Palin ticket, Trig and the issue of special needs: http://open.salon.com/content.php?cid=20178), I don't think the issue is about her being irresponsible because she took a risk. Don't all parents take risks when they decide to become parents? Any one of us is subject to the whims of genetic mutation, even if I, as a 35 year old woman, might be more subject to it more than a 20 year old one. But the point is that I might NOT have a disabled child, too. If I choose not to have a child because I'm too old, I might run the risk of not giving birth to, say, a president of the United States, or the person who cures cancer -- who knows? When it comes down to it, there are risks from any angle. The REAL point here is CHOOSING to take a risk or not to. And the real test is in what you make of the aftermath of your choice.

Moreover, the "bad" consequence can often lead to many, many good consequences that you never could have ever imagined or had the opportunity to experience. Living with, caring for and loving a child with special needs brings that point home like nothing else I've known.
Sarah, I could not agree with you more: what matters is what you do in the aftermath of making a choice. Short of the gift of clairvoyance none of us can know how risky the outcome of such exercised choices-- as described in the article--will be. Thanks for pointing this out. It'll enrich my thinking.
Great, thought-provoking post. I can't believe I'm agreeing with Behind Blue Eyes, but your friend does sound like kind of a jerk.

Also, good to see another born and raised Jamaican!
This post bothered me even though I think the premise is one that I had considered myself. I have read this piece three times before and started comments each time but I couldn't clarify some inner discomfort that this topic provoked in me. I think I have it now.
First, is it irresponsible to have a child at age 44? The answer is yes. This is not a moral judgment but one simply based on stats. At age 30 the chances of having a Down Syndrome baby is 1-900; by age 35 ,1-350; by age 40 the odds become more likely and are reduced to 1-100. Hence, having a child at 44 take the odds from extreme to 9X more likely. Irresponsible may not be the proper word on second thought- perhaps risky is a better term. Now, is terminating the baby proper? Wow, I can't really answer that. What kind of life will one be condoning? It is unsettling on many levels.
I was trained as a Special Ed teacher so I know Down kids. I have worked with and loved 18 of these extraordinary kids in my life. In many ways they have inherent traits that most of us only dream of obtaining. For instance, they are so caring, loving, forgiving, appreciative of little things, and non-judgmental. One of the highlights of my life involved a Down boy who at a Special Olympics event swished a deep three-pointer and the gym full of spectators went absolutely crazy. It makes me tear up right now remembering it. Down Syndrome kids have been a colorful part of my tapestry of life. However, there is another side of their existence that is not seen.
These kids suffer. Half will end up with heart defects, or pulmonary hypertension, a serious lung condition. Many will develop serious hearing or vision problems especially while young which can lead to language delays which leads to communication problems which then leads to social isolation. Adult Down kids live lonely, limited lives and even though most have limited intelligence capabilities, they do become aware of their own limitations. They see others getting their own homes and apartments, having children, or driving cars. They are teased or shunned by others. True, some do live independently but the norm is that they stay dependent on their parents for their entire life. They spend a lot of time in the doctor's office or hospital.
I am very critical of the Palin's for taking that young Down kid around on airplanes. This in itself is abusive. Why? Like I mentioned, 50% of these kids have a lot of hearing and inner ear problems, especially while young. They are flying this baby around on airplanes which is tough on regular ears. They are putting this baby's hearing at risk. If this little baby loses some hearing this early, then she won't be able to hear words and her language development will be delayed. This will make it hard for her to work or play with other children and ultimately lower her IQ which will already be in the 60-80 range anyway. The early years are especially important for these kid especially 0-3 years of age. Much can be done with early intervention, playing with water tables, working on language, teaching social skills, getting out into the community for experiences etc. Where does this poor kid spend her days? She should already be involved in an early training program headed by a professional. The earlier the training, the more dramatic the gains. This kid should be home not on display to get sympathy votes. Nobody, not even Sarah Palin has the right to exploit this little person. It is debatable to call Palin irresponsible for having the baby at an advanced age but there is no debate that traveling around with this Down baby is.
Jason, thank you for the encouraging comments on some of my posts. I appreciate your writing and efforts.
Most of you think that only women over 40 have children with Downs. I have known such children whose mothers were in their twenties. I myself had my handicapped daughter when I was 24. But, of course, this was before Roe v Wade and there was no choice involved. These days there are so many more tests that are done regularly, especially on older mothers. My daughter, while profoundly retarded and physically handicapped, has been a lot of fun and has shown a loving maturity toward her siblings. There is something more there in her beyond her IQ, and I have immensely enjoyed seeing it. It has been like seeing the face of the Goddess.
This is now an older thread, but I'm just finding it and want to comment: I hope that after the election, the MSM will give some serious investigative reporting to the real circumstances of Trig Palin's birth.

Yes, I am a conspiracy theorist yahoo when it comes to Trig Palin. I don't actually believe that Sarah Palin is the baby's mother. I won't go into why here, but instead will take it as a given that she is.

So... if she is...

Is it irresponsible to choose to have a child at 44? No, but any mother who decides to give birth at an advanced age should be aware of all the risks, and be prepared to handle the eventualities of them.

Gov. Palin's pregnancy was kept a secret until her seventh month. Not even her closest staff members were aware she was with child. That alone is irresponsible for an elected official. Pregnancy is not without health risk, and she had a duty to the people of Alaska to reveal her status to them.

As a 44-year-old pregnant woman, one would think Gov. Palin would seek the best in prenatal care. When she learned of the baby's Down Syndrome, one would think she would have sought an obstetrician with some experience in high-risk births of special needs children. She did not. In fact, the doctor who delivered Trig isn't an obstetrician at all: Cathy Baldwin-Johnson is a general practitioner at a small clinic in Wasilla. Her Mat-Su Medical Center doesn't even have an NICU.

Then, finally, there's the whole "water-breaking" incident. For those who don't know, Gov. Palin's water broke while she was delivering the keynote speech at an energy conference in Dallas. Rather than rush directly to a hospital (which was Texas Gov. Rick Perry's idea), she calmly shuffled off to DFW, where she got on a commercial flight for Seattle, and then changed planes and flew to Anchorage. Then, to beat the band, she got in a car, rode an hour-and-a-half, past two hospitals with NICUs, to deliver in Wasilla.

Mind you, this flight (DFW-SEA-ANC) took about eight hours. By all reports, between finishing the speech, driving to the airport, the two flights, the drive, check-in and labor, Trig was born about thirty hours after the Governor's water broke.
Babies go into distress usually about ten hours after the amniotic fluid is depleted.

She chose to finish a speech. And her water had broken. And her baby had Downs (which is very risky during delivery for heart complications and other problems). And he was her fifth child (faster labors). And, and, and.

The supposed reason? Ask Todd Palin: "We can't have a fish-picker born in Texas."

Seriously?

Sarah Palin's judgment is monstrous, not for being 44, but for how she endangered her child... it's not something a mother would do. But I don't think she's his mother. That's another post.