DECEMBER 2, 2008 7:29PM

Not just the usual suspects

Rate: 8 Flag

There have been a number of discussions over the last little while that relate to suggested etiquette, or new “rules”, for posting here on Open Salon. They often talk about Open Salon as a “community”, and, I think, implicitly suggest that when we post articles up here – when we “make the headlines” – our audience consists mainly of the rest of that OS community.

And it is a community here. However, I thought it might be worth throwing in some information that puts a slightly different slant on that discussion. A couple of weeks ago, I copied an idea from Randy Smith, and embedded a free hit counter into a post here on Open Salon.

Here’s what happened. In the first 24 hours or so my post, A Grand Old Parting, was viewed about 44 times, with 6 rates and 10 comments (including a couple of comments of my own.) So far so good: that’s the Open Salon “community” reading at something like its natural rate, and similar to the results Randy Smith got.

In the next 12 hours, though, the numbers got a bit surprising: views climbed to some 500, with only 6 new comments and 2 new rates. After a bit more time ticked over – another week or so – views climbed up to 730 or so, with not much further in the way of comments and rates. After looking into it, I found two factors that could have contributed to that post-24 hours leap in “my” readership – firstly, a couple of people “dugg” my post. Secondly – and I think more significantly – my post received a mention in Salon’s daily electronic newsletter, which caused a small rush of Salon’s (but perhaps not Open Salon’s) regular readers.

What does all this mean? One thing it means is that you can’t take your comment count, or even your rate count, as a good sign of how many people are reading what you’ve written. These counts may suggest that a few dozen people who you already know have read your post, when in fact hundreds of strangers have done so as well.

These stats also suggest that we needn’t get too caught up in any sense of community, at least when it comes to thinking about who our posts are reaching. That big kerfuffle in your comments thread, or someone else’s post that says you’re an ass because of what you wrote, may very well be a pair of storms in teacups not only because arguments on the internet don’t matter much, but also because the vast majority of the people who actually read your post just read it in the same way that they read all sorts of other things, without feeling a strong enough urge to comment or complain.

I am not being dismissive of the community atmosphere here. I think it is great that there is a big element of bonhomie and personal interaction here. I am just suggesting that the community’s input needs to be kept in perspective: it very possibly represents a distinctly small majority of one’s readership, and comments and rates may not mean a heck of a lot in the real world. Along with this, all the rules and etiquette that are oriented mainly at the “community” side of things may just amount to so much navel-gazing. Yes, it is clearly good, just as a matter of basic manners, not to insult or degrade others. But if you are blogging here on OS because you feel it may help you reach a wider audience than a private blog might, that is all a bit beside the point: it’s more about the basic rules of writing well than about how others here may feel about you.

My humble suggestion for a new "rule"? Don’t write anything that makes you sound like an idiot!

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Very nice observations and insights, Jason. The low ratio of comments/thumbs to reads is really striking (artsfish has had comparable experience with one of her posts).
"... you can’t take your comment count, or even your rate count, as a good sign of how many people are reading what you’ve written..."

I don't give a rat's ass what the rate count or comment counts are for anything I've posted. I mostly don't even look at them.

What I do care about is the content of the comments. Of course, I'm pleased when they are agreeable, but I certainly learn more when they are not.

I've been both praised and excoriated, and with probable cause. That's fine with me. What some may see as an obstacle, I try to see as an opportunity.

So keep the comments coming, bad or good. There's something to be gained from each.
Wayne said: "I've been both praised and excoriated, and with probable cause. That's fine with me. What some may see as an obstacle, I try to see as an opportunity."

Same here! I am honestly delighted when someone changes my mind about something. I figure that in the long term that process help me to be more right about more things.

I hope it didn't sound like I was saying comments are worthless. I don't think that; in fact getting comments is a real buzz for me and I hope to get more of them. I am just concerned that people might think that getting hammered in comments (or getting no comments) means nobody likes them, when readership may actually be like an iceberg - mostly invisible, with the comments and the thumbs that stick up into view being the smaller part.

On that note - thanks for commenting ;)
"Very nice observations and insights, Jason. The low ratio of comments/thumbs to reads is really striking (artsfish has had comparable experience with one of her posts)."

Thanks Rob. I knew there was someone else who had done this, as Randy mentioned it, but I was not sure who.
How the heck do you know how many people viewed your pages? Based on comments, I assume I write for a persistent audience of one, with the occasional drop-in. Actual read number might change that view. For better or worse, I'm not sure. There's a freedom in assuming you're basically talking to yourself, but also a frustration.
Oh, no I feel the fool. I scanned when I should have read. Now that I've read, I know how. Thanks
Jason, if I sound like an idiot, just know that it's not my doing. It's the fault of the left-leaning mainstream media. They distort everything for their own sinister ends.
Specular: you broke my rule! (just kidding)

Kent: How did you know that my rule was a subtle dig at you personally? (just kidding again)

Thanks for the comments guys. It is so hard for a post to stay in the feed for more than five minutes these days; I've no idea how this site is going to work as it grows still bigger.
Hi Peter,

It's not hard but it is not ideal either. I just grabbed a free counter from the first site I found - http://www.counting4free.com/

It is then just a case of embedding the provided code in the HTML source of your post (there's a button labelled HTML up there, which opens an editing box).

It's by no means ideal, because if you wanted to track all of your posts, you'd need to obtain a separate free counter for each one, and go through the rigmarole of getting the code emailed to you etc. I am sure the site database already houses such information (it would need to to have the "most read" column on the front page), but we users are unable to view it.

Having said all that, though... I do think that it is legitimate and reasonable for the site administrators to withhold that information if that is their preference. I suspect that the numbers would often be so low as to be a little discouraging, and in any case website traffic information is arguably commercially sensitive .
I'd rather be attacked than praised. Its more fun.
Huber said: "I'd rather be attacked than praised. Its more fun. "

Good point, but I'll still try to take praise on the chin ;)