A post by resident curmudgeon GordonO pointed to a quote from President Obama, that "Before that can be done, repairs have to be made to our credibility after Guantanamo and Abu Gharaib in the world's eye."
Gordon pointed out that:
The United States of America has been the most powerful force for good and freedom for at least the last 100 years.
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But hold the phone, we have to repair our crdibility in the WORLD's eye. What has the WORLD been doing for civilization lately? I await the evidence.
I felt my comment there got a bit long, so here it is as a post of its own.
Well... if I may speak as a non-American (well, 1/4 American if you like): the first point I would make is that I would agree with anyone who said that outside perceptions of "credibility" are not the primary issues that should motivate your leaders.
That said, the world does rely on America to lead, and hopes America will always stand up for what is right: freedom, democracy, truth, etc. I hear America criticised most days, but I think this is the burden of leadership (to the extent that it is a burden at all). You probably wouldn't criticise Obama much if he were your next-door neighbour, but since he's your leader his flaws stand out. Well, the world at large fundamentally admires the American experiment and the American form of democracy and remembers that America has done much of the work of saving the world at least once. But since America is a leader, her flaws do stand out. It was awful watching ignorance and fear win out again and again over the last few years. It was sad to watch the hasty invasion of Iraq, predicated on lies about WMDs, when weapons inspectors were clearly and explicitly saying they just needed a few more months. (I should add that, as an American ally, we joined America there.)
I don't think my opinion of America should influence President Obama, or cause you to lose any sleep, but on the other hand, if you are interested, then I will tell you that I would be very happy to see the American beacon shining from a little higher up the hill, and closer to the ideals that make it a unique and important element of human history. To me, it makes a big difference to know that there is an example of a way of life that is resistant to corruption and ignorance, and a type of nation that strives to deliver equal justice for all and does not steer into thuggery, nepotism, mere expediency, totalitarianism, and the other dark alleys that governments have always been prone to.
And on the specific concept of credibility: nothing's perfect, but there was a time when, at least in a general sense, if America said something, the world could assume that it was probably true. I know that you defend Bush to a degree that I will never really be able to fathom, but even allowing for that you'd have to agree that the simple truth took a back seat more under the Bush adminstration than ever before. Despite subsequent revision, it was explicit that the invasion of Iraq was because of WMDs, even though those WMDs did not in fact exist and evidence was distorted. But leave a hot button like that aside and you still have the problem that the administration was wholly anti-science. Nothing said by the US government, for a while there, was apolitically honest. Change that and America will begin to regain her credibility. Yes, in the eyes of the world. But also, surely, in her own eyes..?


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Also, no one ever said freedom was the safest system. The essence of freedom is the fact that in the case of the gray area, where either good or bad might be done, some systems fear the worst and restrain people but we grit our teeth and hope people will do well by their freedom—including our leaders. There will be those among us who seek to abuse freedom, including our leaders, which is why we must be eternally vigilant.
My own impression from within is that no one abroad was surprised or (overly) concerned when a George Bush was elected. These things happen. It was his re-election that made people nervous because there had been time to reflect and to see the problem, and they wondered why people didn't stand up and be counted. I think it speaks a lot to the kind of fear that people like Cheney and Rumsfeld could engender. It's again something we must be watchful of. Freedom is valued precisely because of its fragility. Perhaps some day in the future when all the world is properly fed and housed and there is no risk of bad economics or climate or social discord we'll be able to say that freedom is safe and robust and no longer fragile. But such a Star Trek future isn't here yet, so it's still a delicate flower.
Hell yeah. I don't think many people had an inkling, in 2000, that Dubya would be anything but a fairly benign presence in the White House, even if he wasn't quite their cup of tea. But his toxic nature was clear by 2004 and that result was just astounding.
I can't fathom how he has so many defenders to this day. What seems clear to me, again as an outsider, is that even if you step back from the many specific bad deeds he did as President, it is clear that there was also an overarching, big-picture failure on his part to really understand the American form of democracy he was supposed to play a role in. He really did, imho, subscribe to a world-view that was just not American.
Sorry for going off on a tangent. I think the essence might be - hey, the world doesn't expect America to live up to American ideals every day, but we are all counting on you to try.
I think this is a big part of the reason why Obama's rhetoric struck such a chord globally. It's not that people in other countries really expect any specific, direct benefit from there being a new President, it's just that we are so relieved (and frankly a little excited) to see the ideals back up on the pedestal where they belong.
I love the phrase "a more perfect union", used by Obama in that critical speech but also found in the US Constitution, which for me captures this idea of forever striving for an ideal even though it can't be reached. I am not sure if I am putting this very well, but I think that the American ideal is not just the democracy, freedom, justice, and so on, but also that endless striving, in itself for a more perfect America - the quintessentially American we are not perfect but we'll never stop trying to be more perfect . This epic effort is admittedly a lot to ask of any one country, but it is what the world asks for anyway.
Sorry if I got a bit carried away there :)
If that was the "Cheney Attitude" it would kinda make sense.
Unfortunately when the "doing what's right" bit is absent from the formula it doesn't work so well.
The Iraq war has done a certain amount of damage in the region between Arab nations, but if we remember Iraq was our friend when they were fighting the Iraq/Iran war. Iran hated us since Carter because we supported the Shah. Saudi Arabia is still (if in name only) a friend.
Europe, well who gives a %$CK what Europe thinks. As for Africa, they love us. Bush did a bang up job with humanitarian aid in Africa. I kid you not they love him. My daughter dates a Nigerian National and he loves the United States and only speaks well of Bush.
That does not mean American is loved everywhere, but to the common man in general we are still looks upon favorably.