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NOVEMBER 2, 2009 9:36AM

Moyers Teaches Hannity, O'Reilly, Beck & Limbaugh a Lesson

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And, yes, Olbermann too.

In an extraordinary interview on Friday night, Bill Moyers taught us all a lesson on how to have a dialogue with those whose political views contrast sharply with our own.  Extraordinary not necessarily in terms of subject matter or memorability, but rather, in terms of tone and civility.

His guest was Richard Brookhiser, who, in 1969, at the age of 15, wrote an essay critical of the protests at his high school against Richard Nixon and the Vietnam war.  He sent that essay to William F. Buckley, editor of The National Review, and it ended up on the cover of that magazine.

At one time, Brookhiser was Buckley's hand-picked successor to lead the magazine, a decision which Buckley later rescinded because he felt that Brookhiser lacked "executive flair".  (And, watching the Brookhiser segment, I'd have to agree.  He is very low-key, and has nowhere near the charisma that Buckley had.)

Brookhiser is an accomplished journalist and historian, prolific author, and winner of the 2008 National Humanities Medal.  I would never expect to see the likes of him guesting on Glenn Beck or Sean Hannity.  He's too smart and he's not interested in shouting matches.

These two men, at opposite ends of the political spectrum, managed to have a civil, even congenial conversation for nearly half an hour, on subjects ranging from Buckley and The National Review, to the role of government and the conservative movement in general, to medical marijuana, to 9/11, to the legacy of George W. Bush, to Sarah Palin.

You can read the transcript, or watch the video, HERE

For anyone who regularly watches/listens to Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, Glenn Beck and Keith Olbermann, the conversation might have seemed incredibly boring, which is a shame, as we need this kind of dialogue more than ever right now.

I found myself disagreeing several times with Brookhiser during the course of the interview, and I'm sure Moyers did as well.  But voices were never raised, no one was looking for a "gotcha" moment, and there was clearly an atmosphere of respect at the table.

Thanks, Bill Moyers, for showing us how it should be done.

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awesome! must watch, i've been neglecting mr. moyers.
I appreciate the sentiment.
I will watch this later today. Can't get enough of Bill Moyers.
civil is the key, we all have different ideas and opinions and conclusions, keeping discourse civil would make us all better people and better informed as well.
Civil discourse? Opposing views? This I have to see.

Thanks for the link. Will get back to it later.
We need more of this civilized discourse. A lot more
Thanks. R
Too bad civil discourse doesn't equal high ratings. Rated.
I will watch this tomorrow. In the meantime, I'm suspecting that Mr. Moyers could also teach Rep. Joe Wilson -- of "You lie!" fame -- a thing or two about civil discourse.
Dear Jeanette,

I like PBS, I hate Bill Moyers and his partisan politics. He was, is, and always will be a democratic operative. His show would be better placed on a for-profit cable news network, but to force me to financially support his program with tax dollars is absurd.

"Referring to a July 13, 2007, edition of Bill Moyers Journal, discussing the possible impeachment of then President George W. Bush, and featuring guests from opposing ends of the political spectrum, both in favor of impeachment, PBS Ombudsman Michael Getler praised Moyers for his initiative in highlighting different topics, but felt he could have used a more balanced approach. Moyers disagreed, saying:

"The journalist's job is not to achieve some mythical state of equilibrium between two opposing opinions out of some misshapen respect — sometimes, alas, reverence — for the prevailing consensus among the powers-that-be. The journalist's job is to seek out and offer the public the best thinking on an issue, event, or story."

Getler responded by saying that

"On the broad issue of balance, I don't disagree with Moyers .... It can create a false sense of equivalence among readers or viewers in cases where that is not justified.... [but that] while conventional, equal-time balance is frequently a false measure, the absence of any balance can undermine any program."

So praise him all you want, but spare me the lesson. He's a partisan hack. Period!
But I still rated your post because it's your post, I don't have to pay for it, and gosh darn it... I like you and your writing!
I would at this point in time say that we do not need discussion. the lines already have been drawn and transgressed. All else is superfulouse. What kind of discussion could be made, oh yea the bankers stole everything i think thats just wrong, so there.
A class act.

I appreciate intelligent conservatives, much as I disagree with them. I appreciate them even more when they're courteous as well rather than being bullies. Same goes for liberals, of course!
Thanks, everyone, for reading and commenting. (And handymn, your point is taken. I'm still all for a good, respectful discussion of the issues, though.)

Poorsinner, what have I done to gain such devotion? It is beyond flattering.

However, I fully realize that Bill Moyers is a liberal, a "partisan", and has a definite point of view. I never said otherwise. (But partisan hack? Sorry, does not apply.)

I wrote this blog as an illustration of how dialogue can and should be conducted. If there are conservative "hacks" out there doing the same, I would be intersted in knowing about it.

As for your tax dollars, I do feel your pain. I have been supporting two unjust and unnecessary wars for a number of years now, and I am certainly not happy about it.

I don't have exact figures, but I don't think I am going out on a limb by saying that the amount of tax dollars that you, personally, pay to support PBS is very, very small. And the amount of tax dollars that you pay to support Bill Moyers' Journal is even smaller than that. Really, if you look at the PBS listings, the number of programs that are even remotely "political" in nature is staggeringly small. (And a lot of Moyers' discussions aren't political at all. He often has historians, authors and poets as guests.)

Perhaps we can figure out your share, you can PM me your address, and I will reimburse you.
The lack of Bill Moyers is a key reason why I don't watch the blathering talking heads on the news networks these days.
I just love Bill Moyers. We need about 500 more of him.
A lesson many should learn. I'm glad you and I learned it! While I'm not a fan of his, I also think polite and courteous is the way to go. Imagine how much we all could learn from each other if we would just take the time to listen instead of spending our listening time just thinking what we will say next.

Of course my friend - rated!
I agree about Moyer, but add that the one-on-one interview format is far more conducive to enlightening discussion that the split-screen nonsense in which two people are given 30 seconds each to try to make a point. The latter format is designed to produce acrimony. Anyone would be less inclined to play "gotcha!" knowing the other party had ample time to defend himself.
Jeannette, I heard the podcast. It was great.
Civil discourse? Wow! Usually everyone disses the other. Thank for your observations. Rated.
I cannot believe it but you actually got me to watch his video. I never watch news videos online. You are right about his high standards of journalism. It is sad but - yet again - our society's media devolution is yet another symptom of our obsession with money (bizarre car-accident type news shows get the ratings and thus advertising, and thus the cycle feeds into itself). I watch BBC, Bloomberg, PBS and sometimes CNBC. I cannot stand Fox or any of its entertainers who it labels as newspeople. They are a sad, opinionated lot with absolutely NO credentials as true news or journalism professionals.
For a few reasons that I may share sometime in the future with OS, we do not have cable, so no way to easily keep up with the news. But I would like to say thank you for this bit of information. So I won't always remain in the dark.
~rated
Here's to hoping that Deborah Young shows and pisses all over this thread but don't get your hopes up.
Agree. Moyers has become a national treasure.
Brookhiser is a fascinating guy. I was familiar with him because of his connection with Buckley and National Review. I have not yet seen the interview. Will watch tonight. Thanks for the link.
I watched it and was impressed. Jon Stewart is pretty good at this too, when he chooses.
great post, sadly under-read, J. I saw this segment as well (I am rabid Moyer-ette since the Joseph Campbell days), and I learned so much from listening to them engaging. I wish we could clone Bill. He's actually the Sexiest Man Alive to me and always will be.

Hope this bumps this into the feed.
Excellent, I wish I had found this before school today. I had my classes discuss the First Amendment and whether hate speech and child pornography are protected. It was a struggle to wrestle them into civil discourse (at first it was a lot of hand waving and loud, quick jabbering) but I gave them a small speech on how debate in America has devolved into angry, red-faced shouting and insults. I think they could see how determined I was to bring civility to their disagreements and, miracle of miracles, it eventually happened.