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Jennifer Byde Myers

Jennifer Byde Myers
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SF Bay Area, California, US
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February 03
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Jennifer Byde Myers is a writer, editor and parent of a child with autism. She has been writing since 2003 at www.jennyalice.com, chronicling her family’s journey from diagnosis to daily living with her son’s special needs. She is a founder and editor of The Thinking Person’s Guide to Autism. Her writing has been featured at Salon.com, Dandelion, Care.com and in several books including My Baby Rides the Short Bus. Jennifer has been interviewed on NPR, most recently on Forum with Michael Krasny, and is a Parenting.com Must-Read Mom. She lives on the San Francisco peninsula with her supportive husband, two wily children and a dog named Gus. Follow her on Twitter at @jennyalice

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OCTOBER 5, 2011 3:40PM

I Yell. I YELL!

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I yell. Not all the time, and not at every body, but I yell, I raise my voice. I know I do. In fact I probably want to yell a lot more often, but somehow I have figured out that generally it's not appropriate. People don't think very highly of you if you yell a lot. I know I don't think highly of people who yell a lot.

I don't yell at my husband, or at least it's very rare these days. When we were first married he let me know that it was possible to have an argument without yelling. In fact, he thought it was possible to have a discussion and not an argument, something that I'm still working on, I suppose.  I grew up with a family that tends to come in fast and hot, solve it and move on. Descartes said, "We're going to be together a long time, and I just won't talk with you if you yell." So I don't yell at him. I might holler across the kitchen, or from the back yard, "Do you want cheese on your burger?" No. "Do you want another beer?" Yes. I want to raise my voice sometimes when I am very passionate about something, but I try to be respectful of him, and our marriage, and I want our children to see that two people can disagree, come to a conclusion, and stay married, all while being kind to each other.

And I don't yell at Jake, because, well that's not cool to yell at a special needs kid right? No one thinks that's okay. And I'm not sure he always processes everything I say when I'm just talking, so what would be the point of yelling at him? Asking him to hurry, or get off of something, or into something, or around something is often futile at best, so it just never occurs to me that I should yell. I've been frustrated, many, many, many times, and I know I've raised my voice in fear; yelling "NOOOOO!" as he darts away from me in a parking lot, or scrambles towards an open door...heading to a swimming pool. I've been tense before, used a stern voice, and cried and sobbed with him, but I don't think I've really yelled at him.

I do yell in the car sometimes when I'm alone. I might yell when there are dangerous drivers, or radio news that reports of laws being passed that are discriminatory, or politicians who-- well, almost any politician can raise my ire a bit. I've yelled at my computer screen at other bloggers, but mostly these incidents are far between, I stew rather than scream.

But, I've yelled at my daughter.

I get frustrated and I yell.  I get exasperated when she does not do what she is supposed to do, like get her shoes on, or go to the bathroom before we leave the house, when I ask her to. Then the time rolls around to depart, and she, with several reminders, hasn't done whatever simple, but time consuming task it is. The consequence is that the whole family is then rushed, and possibly late. If we miss Jake's bus, that's a 40 minute drive to his school, one-way. This new school year has presented the scenario where there's about 12 minutes between the time Jake leaves for school and the time Lucy needs to be in class. Luckily the school is 4 minutes away, but we need to park and walk and the later we are the farther away we need to park...

It feels like we do not have a lot of room for anything else to be any more difficult than it naturally is. I need everyone, we need everyone, to do what they are supposed to do, when they are supposed to do it, and do it to the best of their ability, every single time. Which means that Jake needs help with every single thing, every single morning, but Descartes and Lucy and I should be able to get ourselves together. I make sure she has all of the components of her outfit. I 'do' her hair. I make her breakfast, and pack her lunch, and get her backpack ready to go because, I'm not an idiot, I know she's only five.

But when she doesn't do those other simple things? I yell. Sometimes loudly. "NOW! GET YOUR SHOES ON RIGHT NOW!" and of course it doesn't help anything. At all. It probably even makes things take longer. Then we get in the car and my heart is racing and Jake who hates being rushed, just wants to get the hell to school and away from us, and the day has begun with anger instead of calm, and we can't ever go back and make it different. Another whole day of our life has started with Jake agitated, me feeling like a crappy mom, and Lucy feeling like...like what? What emotion is she taking to school and sitting with for the day? And what have we gained?

What I am wondering, is this: am I taking every single thing out on her when I am yelling about her tiny little white tennis shoes, because I can't yell at anyone else? Is it just my nature? Does she perhaps push me farther than every other thing on the planet? Am I destined to yell at my daughter, because that's a style of "discussion" I'm used to?  Is it that we are so alike that she knows all of my buttons and presses them systematically like she is testing a shuttle before launch? And what am I teaching her by yelling? What will we have accomplished at the end of a verbal spar?

I'm more aware of it lately. It feels like it's been happening more often, though it probably hasn't. It may be she's exerting independence in more places, which is age appropriate, but I don't want to have these interactions every day. I'm not calling her names, or demeaning her, I'm only ever repeating the task that was supposed to already have been done, but it makes me feel awful, even when I know it's not that dramatic or bad. And I'm sure it makes her feel awful too... recently I've found myself apologizing to her hours later, and it almost always turns into a good, productive conversation with talk about how to do things better next time. But right now, it renders me unable to fall asleep at night, and makes me want to wake her up after she's been in bed, just to have some more positive moments in the day.

Do you yell at your children? At just one of your kids? Is it a phase?

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note: I wrote this post several weeks ago, just as school was starting. Things have settled down into a better routine in the morning for all of us, and Jake is out of the 'episode' he was in. We have had a couple weeks of nearly yell-free mornings, but I think I need to continue to think about how I interact with Lucy because it feels like she could be an easy target for my frustrations.





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"I do yell in the car sometimes when I'm alone." Me too. You have a lot on your plate. Maybe you and Lucy need some special Mommy and Me time to get to know each other better at least once a week. Maybe your husband can help by spending time with Jake while you and Lucy go to a children's museum or do another activity where you can interact in fun and relaxed ways. Wouldn't have to take up the whole day, just a couple hours - even going for a walk together and window shop or go to a park.
Your article made me think of my childhood. I had a Downs Sundrome cousin and know the frustration of communication with these precious souls. I applaud you for holding your temper with your son. As for your daughter, I know from experience that it is easy for one child to become a target for our frustrations.

The household I grew up in became more silent as we grew older. My parents seldom, if ever argued in front of my sister and I, but we always knew when a fracas was brewing. Dad would be seated infront of the TV where my sister and I were deposited awaiting dinner, rattling the pages of the news paper he was reading as loudly as possible and mom would be in the kitchen cooking, accompanied by clanging pots and pans and slammed cupbord doors. My sister and I (I mostly) would then get raised voices and clipped answers or even a swat to pestering questions or behavior. But later that night we could hear the yelling from behind their closed bedroom door.

I try not to yell but too find myself responding in kind when yelled at and I don't like the behavior as it comes from decades of repessed emotion and anger grown out of that deffening silence.

I wish you peace in your heart for your whole family.
Congratulations on the EP - well-deserved, I think, for this soul-searching, honest, introspective look at your family dynamics.

I'm intrigued - keep writing, I'll keep reading.

R
I think it's human to yell out of frustration or anger, even at our children, from time to time. From my experience as the child of a mentally ill mother who screamed at her children daily, it's important that you apologize to your daughter for losing your temper, which you are doing. A small part of me is still waiting for that apology even though I'm pretty sure she's incapable of giving it.

If you find yourself being out of control on a regular basis - so much that you cannot control your own tone of voice - you should consider seeking the advice of a mental health professional so you can learn how to better deal with your anger. You might consider it anyway if you really are keeping yourself up at night. That can't be a pleasant way to live.
Of course, most everyone yells at their kids once in a while. However, since you are able to restrain yourself with one and not the other, your daughter may begin to feel that you love her less because of it. I agree that apologizing is important after losing one's temper. I also think that life with two young kids, especially when one is autistic, is very high stress. I think you should join a yoga class to burn off some stress on a regular basis, so your frustration boiling over point will be higher. I also think that working out some systems to organize your daughter's morning routine would cut down on the stress at that point.
Put a chart on the front door and give her a star every time she's ready on time. Or you can just make a point of lavishing on the praise. When you're frazzled, it's so easy to yell at the frustrating things and not note the stuff that goes well.

The other thing you can do is have her leave in barefeet and put her shoes on in the car. You have to start now so that she'll be used to the rule when it starts to get cold. When it is cold, you ignore whining, be calm, and say "I'm sorry, but we have to go and you don't have your shoes on."

If she's a chronic dawdler, have a star chart. Most 5 year olds will work reasonably hard for stickers. Be sure to note weekly improvement and give a better reward. (You got ready for bed on time every day this week! What do you want?)

I do yell. I try not to. It's not really effective.

You do want to be sure you are not asking your 5 year old to do more than she is mature enough to do, it's so easy if you need more help. Get your husband in the act. He doesn't have to put on her shoes, but he could remind her and do the praise thing.
"And I don't yell at Jake, because, well that's not cool to yell at a special needs kid right?" Probably not - but then again you don't want to make him feel "different"; sort of the whole separate but equal thing....

Here is something I've always wondered: What do deaf people do when they get mad at their kids - can you yell in sign language?
I think it's human to yell but we really should keep trying not to, particularly as parents, but also as friends and co-workers. You're brave to write this post, it shows you're getting aware, which to me is the first step to change.
Oh, Sister!! I remember those days. Give yourself a hug and forgive yourself. These schedules are yelling at us...it's our greatest challenge to remain calm. Blessings!!
My parents were immigrants and I was a baby when we came to the US. Their lives were very difficult and they were always struggling to survive and hold in their frustrations. My father used to scream at me all the time, my mother would have short outbursts and then in an attmept to control herself become silent. Of course they didn't do this in front of strangers.

They were simply taking their frustrations out on me because if they had yelled at anyone else it would have caused a backlash on them. It's good that you're looking at this now, it started as the same little things you spoke of. I have no memories from age 6-11 but remember clearly ages 12-15. I think it just became a habit with them to take out their frustrations on me, it got worse and I got used to accepting it. At 15 I could no longer stand the anxiety of not knowing when they would get mad, I gave up on satisfying them and ran away to marry a terrible man.

Good for you for looking at it now. There's no way of knowing how a child will respond as they grow older, I only know how I responded. I'm the only child so I'm stuck with the burden of helping them in my 50's. My mom and I have a poor relationship, as far as my dad goes, he's 89 and my daughters and I are waiting for him to die and leave us in peace.
Thank you all for your constructive and supportive comments.
I like the idea of the Mommy and Me time for you and Lucy. I think she needs more of your attention and her dawdling in the morning is a way of getting it (even if it is negative). It also sounds like you're the one responsible for getting everyone ready and maybe hubby can help more with that.
Very well written. Rated!
I've been taking her to the pool in the afternoons before her brother gets home from school, which has helped a lot. My husband does most of the work getting my son ready for school. My son requires full assistance getting dressed and with breakfast, so we have done a pretty good job of divvying up responsibilities in the morning.
I've been taking her to the pool in the afternoons before her brother gets home from school, which has helped a lot. My husband does most of the work getting my son ready for school. My son requires full assistance getting dressed and with breakfast, so we have done a pretty good job of divvying up responsibilities in the morning.
I do yell at my wife sometimes (too often) and feel bad about it and feel it antithetical to spirituality. It hurts both me and her when I do it. Yet, it is a "normal" if not very healthy reaction. Never mind if there is justification or not. There must be a better way to express anger; that's my view.
I was in your daughters position in my household growing up. My mother had to contend with my abusive father, autistic father and suicidal bipolar sister. I was the safe bet who wouldn't go mad if she vented some ire on me. It wasn't often to be fair, with me it was more that I was overlooked and ignored. My mother even told me a few years ago that she never needed to worry about me, she knew I was fine by myself. R.
Blackllilly99 Your comments will make me consider my temperament even more. Thank you.