Jimmy Zuma

Jimmy Zuma
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After ten years haunting online political forums and much longer as a disability rights advocate, Jimmy Zuma started the online political journal, Smart v. Stupid. Since then, he has emerged as one of the left’s most direct new voices. Almost immediately, Jimmy was offered the opportunity to join the political team at Technorati where he writes DC Water Cooler, a weekly feature on what the politicians and pundits are talking about. Most recently, his columns began appearing in the Tucson Sentinel in Tucson Arizona. He is also an occasional contributor to OpEd News. Jimmy's goal is to return vetting to the marketplace of ideas, by elevating the status of smart ideas and debunking dumb ones.

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FEBRUARY 3, 2011 10:22PM

Egypt: Fruit of the Poisonous Olive Tree

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What democracy in Egypt means to the United States

Hosni Mubarak  

The emerging democracy in Egypt is yet another blow to US influence and yet another boost to the region’s local superpower, Iran. Perhaps fifty years from now, the disadvantages of democratization will be erased by its benefits. In the meantime, a democratic Egypt virtually assures the end of secular government in the Middle East. As Egypt reorganizes under some form of religion-dominated democracy, it is also inevitable that they will turn away from the United States.

 

Not that we didn’t ask for it, mind you. We’re getting ready to eat the fruit of the poisonous tree we nurtured.  For most of the last century, the United States has aligned itself with Middle-East dictators and thugs. The net effect of our blood and treasure has been to over-weaponize dictatorships while simultaneously giving their people reasons to hate us.

 

In all fairness, back when we started meddling in the Middle East (meddling became really popular after World War II) there were only tribal leaders to choose from. But our foreign policy never attempted to nudge these monarchs toward a better form of government.  We didn’t even want to. The truth is that democracies are harder to deal with and, well, we chose selfishly.

 

Arguably, the worst of our dictator buddies was the Shah of Iran, Reza Pahlavi, who was fond of making dissidents wear metal boxes padlocked over their heads while he tortured them for months or years. But he was 100% our guy. He did whatever we asked, and when we gave him tons of cash, he spent it at our arms bazaar. The Shah was a willing middleman in the scam to launder billions of US taxpayer dollars into corporate profits. He was also Israel’s biggest arms customer. He was our kind of guy.

 

Today, Iran is a regional powerhouse, ruled by a group of evangelical Mullahs who have veto power over every rule or law that is passed. Though not good for us or the Iranian people, the Mullah’s are still a big improvement over the Shah.

 

When our interests aligned Saddam Hussein we backed his war. We wanted a weaker Iran, so did Iraq. So we gave Saddam billions which he dutifully spent on arms (some foreign) sourced from American companies. Congress’ Riegle Report also found that we sent him biological weapons (including Anthrax and Botulism) seventy-three times. Most Iranians believe the chemical weapons he used on the battlefield came from us.

 

When the war ended in a stalemate, we (of course) congratulated Saddam for winning. He thought we were being sincere and that we liked him well enough to let him annex Kuwait. Old George Bush bolloxed that one – it could have been prevented before it started. Next Young George Bush decided to depose our former ally using phony weapons charges. Long story short, we destroyed a country and killed enough innocents that everyone who survived knew a few or more.

 

In the end, we settled for a government made up of two religious factions and a few crazy Kurds. Iraq is both democratic and a staunch ally of Iran. Expect the two countries to form a military alliance just as soon as we’re out the door. They’re already talking.

 

And now it’s Egypt. Our deal with the dictator Hosni Mubarak was largely written on two things, his willingness to declare peace with Israel and his willingness to launder your tax dollars by spending them on US-made weapons. Egypt is currently the largest Middle East purchaser of US Arms. Between 2002 and 2009, they spent over $15 billion at our weapons companies.  We armed his repressive government so completely that the tear gas now being shot at protesters says “Made in Johnstown, PA.”

 

George_W  

One can expect that Egypt will closely follow the pattern of Iraq -- a democratically elected government consisting of evangelical Muslim factions led (in this case) by the Muslim Brotherhood. They will rule -- with the approval of the people -- according to religious law. Egypt may even turn out to be a friendly ally to Iran. If so, Iran’s military will find all of our weapons technology to be very useful.

 

So what’s the lesson? Be careful what you wish for? Maybe. But the real lesson of the Middle East is to be careful of what you will tolerate, endorse, allow, or overlook -- simply to sell a machine gun.

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As I said elsewhere, America's shortsighted foreign policy has been based on the realpolitik notion that it is easier to influence one man with bribes than to influence millions with propaganda.

Given that Egypt has been ruled by a strong man for close to 7,000 years, the likeliest outcome of this revolution will be the classic "one man, one vote, one time."
Excellent post, Jimmy. I'm catching hell getting into the Egyptian affair. I am so tired of America's shortsighted b.s. When will we learn? Our chickens keep coming home to roost.
every time mubarak smiles, a camel dies somewhere. yeah.
Your entire assumptions are faulty as far as the situation in Egypt is concerned. What you say is true about the US, but we have very limited influence in Cairo at this time.

I said very early, and indications are backing me up, that the most likely scenario for a new government is some kind of provisional military authority. The Egyptian populace has great reverence for the military, and the military has played their hand very well.

Mubarak has set up a vice president of Egypt for the first time, and Mr. Suleiman will take command for the time being. It's expected that the provisional government will supervise elections in September, but that in the end the military will still be in control.

It's likely that the new leader of Egypt will take a more Islamist line and pursue new policies towards Israel that are not as friendly as they are now. But the Egyptian authorities have no desire to go to war with Israel. And as far as the ayatollah in Qom or President Ahmadinejad in Tehran are concerned, they have absolutely no influence with the Muslim Brotherhood in Cairo. In fact the MB has a much closer affinity with the Turks, who have an Islamist government with a secular, pragmatic, and realistic foreign policy. And by the way, the MB is Sunni, whereas the ayatollah and Ahmadinejad are Shiites.

You are vastly overestimating the influence that Iran is or will play in the Middle East. Wikileaks documents show how roundly the Iranians are despised all over the Middle East.
Hope this post shows o.k. Humongous computer problems in 'podukmarte'-land right now; needing to use 'On-Screen Keyboard right now to be able to type, painful letter by letter
I agree with old new lefty. The influence of Iran is totally over exaggerated. This is a whole new ball game! The people in the streets of Cairo are not having this debate. They want change. They are not there because of religion or ideology. They are there because of very personal human rights issues. This they keep saying, in case it's not clear to those of us watching from afar. People all around me keep speaking from a position of fear. What I hear from them are excuses for continuing the status quo in order to make Israel feel more secure, or to protect US economic interests and on and on. So I keep asking myself, how would this position sound if I were one of the protesters in Cairo? In the last 24 hours those protesters have become fearless. That in itself gives me hope for the whole world!
Interesting!
While the rest of the world is concerned about Egyptians and their fight for freedom, Americans are consumed by what this revolution means for them and the zionists. It's time you took your heads out of your asses and realized that not only is this revolution led by the people (Muslim Brotherhood was not involved despite your crazy rantings) but it's for the people of Egypt.
tens of thousands of protestors remain in tahrir square, top party leadership has resigned, gamal mubarak will not run, top party leaders will not run in election, wikileaks releases new batch of US diplomatic cables on Egypt: shows US knew of systematic abuse and torture by Mubarak regime, including people being shot and killed when they refused to bribe the police, cables describe these as "daily occurrences" and treat them with total indifference, new diplomats to the region were even briefed on the facts and told to ignore, and US knew that Mubarak had broken promises for reforms many times before and that he could not be trusted. protestors in Square vow to remain until Mubarak is gone because they say that they don't trust him and fear a country-wide crackdown if they depart...
also the plan to install strongman Suleiman in Mubarak's place appears to be dead as the opposition leaders are saying he cannot be trusted and that in the past he led torture operations inside Egypt, some opposition leaders are now questioning why the US would even propose this and accusing some US officials of trying to "sweep the revolution under a rug", and alJazeera is once again back on the air in Egypt despite brutal attempts by the regime to keep them dark including burning out their offices yesterday...
Mr Mubarak, get the fuck out of Egypt. There will be no peace there until you and all your cronies are gone. Period.
brilliantly written although the idea that the US sold iran chemical weapons used in the iran-iraq war is a pretty wild idea that even I as the resident hardcore conspiracy theorist find quite outlandish, but conceivable. do you have any references on that? but thanks for ripping open the dark realities that few americans have the awareness, intelligence or integrity to actually face. scathing.
reading the comments... if Egypt manages to purge the torturers, it would be far more than ever happened in our own government.
we should be ashamed. we should be far more than ashamed. I hope the new government exposes CIA renditions to Egypt, which apparently happened & are fairly well documented. [as I understand it to some swedish dissidents who sued sweden and won a civil case-- an astonishing case that Ive not seen anything written about almost anywhere... talk about a controlled media.....]
the strange thing about weaponry & weapons sales, which you correctly focus on-- it would appear that the corporations that profit from it might not be at all concerned that those same weapons could be used against american soldiers, in fact the astonishing reality is that it could actually be Good For Business. the thought of a blasphemer? against the US imperialism? yeah, I guess so, huh. in a way though there seems to be an even more virulent imperialism manifested by [military/arms] corporations that approaches a nihilism approaching pure psychopathy.
the title of this post could be Karma is a B---- ....
there is hope for the world if an article like this can make it to the front page of open salon. I think its gonna be harder to sell Salon if this antiauthoritarianism continues....
heres a weird cognitive dissonance that just struck me. suppose I go to Whole Foods Market and buy some food. I pay extra, but they ensure that their food is organically grown and they work with so called "green" corporations that are interested in sustainability [to put it simply] not slowly destroying the planet. its very trendy. and yuppies/upscale like it. they are are not merely getting healthy food but making a political statement. therefore, it is like a sort of Integrity or Quality System that spreads via networking. the connections of this corporation to its suppliers etcetera.

now, what is striking, we obviously demand far *less* of our government when we should demand far *more*! we need a government where torture is truly illegal not only here but amongst all our political partners, and we absolutely strictly control arms sales and make human rights a real issue with our arms sales. [a bizarre concept huh!!] ... no arms sales to unapproved regimes that are not Human Rights and Democratic supporting. isnt that an astonishing political concept? but how much different is this than the way that Whole Foods Market endorses and guarantees its food based on its supplier network and careful approvals? we need a Quality and Integrity network for our politics as much as our food-- in many ways, far more. and we are not getting it. we need to demand this of the US govt, as US citizens, with the same fervor that we now see in Egypt.....
the statistic that Egypt even buys more US weapons than Israel is quite startling.
and as you allude, US weapons sales to these countries is basically *state/taxpayer sponsored*.... like GE used to say, We Bring Good Things To Life
or I mean ... Death
vzn: Whole Foods Market green? I got a bridge to Brooklyn you might wanna buy.
Great Post and very close to the truth. One thing though, Look at the bigger picture, Isreal is in a very sticky situation, worse for the Israelies now than it has ever been. Iran has vowed to destroy Israel and I feel the situation out there is one step closer to that day. Not forgetting Israel's Nuclear weapon capability. The situation for all the world could get very difficult indeed.
The meek shall inherit the earth and all that!
you rant on our ex-presidents does not include as usual the peanut farmer from ga and bubba willie-boy from ak, oh right, he was busy
getting blow-jobs from monica on his watch for eight fucken years.
Democracy means rule by the people -- so if the majority of the people in the Middle East WANT theocracies, and we "good" Americans tell them that they may not have theocracies, because that would not favor our corporateers and war profiteers, what does that say about what we Americans REALLY believe about democracy?