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jimmymac1025

jimmymac1025

jimmymac1025
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January 18
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Married father of two girls. Was a writer in a previous life. Drove a truck for 20 years. Trudging the road of happy destiny since 1987.

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APRIL 9, 2010 4:30PM

Attraction at a Certain Age

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     A few posts bounced around yesterday about the attributes which render men or women desirable at a certain age.
 
     Me, I'm a Cheap Trick song with a typo. I want girls who want me. I like girls who like me. Though no longer intent on validation through sex, I still crave the approval of women. So the attributes which attract me to them have less to do with physicality and more to do with eye contact, warmth and a gift for the art of conversation, so at least one of us will possess that skill.
 
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     There was a very pretty girl named Patty, who caught my eye back in junior high. And one day she walks right over to me in the cafeteria, sits her tiny butt down next to me on the formica-topped bench. She's touching me as she leans in and raises a hand against her mouth so as to flumox the lip-readers sitting across from us.
 
     "Did you know Janet likes you?"
 
     "Uhmmm. No."
 
     "Well she does! You like her, don't you?"
 
     "Sure. Janet's nice."
 
     I checked out Janet across the room, blush blooming among she and the trio of tittering tender hearts who surrounded her.
 
     "I knew it! I could just tell. I think you two are gonna be soooo cute."
 
     It was one of those societally manufactured relationships whose participants had little to do with its formation. Next thing I knew, Janet and I are in the park behind the Rec Center on Friday night making out.
 
     What had happened? Well, chances are, Janet didn't "like" me any more that I "liked" her. There is, thankfully, a certain subset of kids in the adolescent orbit who seem to have no trouble meeting up, making out, whatever. They seem loathe to watch their friends not have a horse to ride on this merry-go-round, sort of like Alicia Silverstone in "Clueless." So they play matchmaker, they prompt, they nudge and before you know it, Jim and Janet are making out in the woods.
 
     This would not have happened had it not been for the earnest efforts of Patty. She gave me "clearance to approach," so to speak. She removed rejection from the equation. In granting me this "pre-approval," she did everything but shove our faces together into liplock.
 
     Before moving on the the point of this post, attraction and what it feels like today, indulge me for a moment while I explain the scoring system as it existed in those days. Invariably, when Janet and I returned to our respective packs in the roller rink, I would be interrogated as to what had transpired. The shorthand was simply this. First base as kissing. Second, feeling breasts. Third involved sticky fingers and a home run was never described because who the hell ever accomplished such a feat in sixth grade.
 
     One thing I recall with great clarity was that this was usually described by males as a zero-sum game, i.e., "What'ja get off her?" As if sex was something a male took from a female, as if I had slyly reached into her purse and swiped one stick of Juicy Fruit, two sticks or three. Seems there might have been one adult somewhere in our Catholic universe to state simply that boys and girls like touching each other, and that this is a very good thing. There wasn't, but that's a post for another day.
 
     So what traits do I now--at age 54 and having been married for 24 years--find attractive in a woman? I won't pretend physicality does not enter the picture, but it captures only one dimension. Some movie critics argue for a return to black-and-white filmaking because the brightness of color, particularly the spashy kind that first replaced b&w, blinded the viewer from seeing a film's heart, if it had one, or it's lack of a heart, if it lacked one.
 
     Cannot the same logic be applied to women? Was I not, as a young fool, blinded into chasing after a lifetime of nubile nitwits and ne'er-do-wells, or in one instance both in one stunning body when she stole a check and attempted to cash it for a thousand dollars, as if my college-era checking account ever contained half that. The clerk called the cops, she was arrested, and she called and asked me to bail her out.
 
     I still gawk at times, but I no longer pursue, and speaking of which, pursue what, exactly? I have found that the best times in a marriage often follow the worst, that after splashing around in the self-pity pool for few days I dry off in the sunshine of gratitude for not having acted on my compulsions. My spouse seems to be happy with me when I am happy with myself.
 
     So why all the bother about what I find attractive in a woman, if the attraction contorts me so? I think this describes my own need to describe, but first, another digression. Do men become more attractive when they get married? Methinks this is a broad generalization of the width kind, not gender, which contains an inch of truth here and there. Does a woman really think that he cheats on his wife with her only? Or that, even if he does, he will not repeat the pattern once he and she have settled into the routine of monagomy? Or maybe she just figures he's housebroken at least and won't wipe his dick off on the curtains like the last guy?
 
     The way I figure it, a man in love is simply more comfortable around women, more relaxed, more confident and probably less likely to drool and leer. Hence, his perception that women seem to like him more, now that he is ostensibly unavailable. The junior high fear of rejection has again been removed from the equation. This is what frees him from the Technicolor glare of physical attraction and allows him to see other qualities that were heretofor secondary.
 
     He can peer and hear sharply. He no longer needs to impress in order to garner attention, nor concern himself with the bashing of antlers that so often surrounded such endeavors. He can listen to her and respond without amplification. These heightened senses allow him to detect a women who is comfortable in her own skin, someone with stories to tell, songs to enjoy and laughter to share, a woman with no expectations for anything but the same in return.
 
     And during the course of an unforced conversation he will notice all of it, the different parts, maybe a whiff of perfume, and his imagnation will tingle. He'll sense it, feel it, and know that life is good because it no longer owns him. He's been accepted, however casually, and the subconsious need for female approval has been sated.   
 
       
      
     
 
      
    
      

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jimmy mac1025,

I really like the honesty of this post. There is a depth here but much more like the analogous comment about the colour film blinding the viewer from the heart of the film. Nice work.
I like especially the last couple paragraphs. I have made deep friendships with men in my life the last ten years, because we are all married and therefore the chase is removed (that's a choice of course.) Men who have been in long term relationships are the best friends to me, they also give me good insight into how we think differently. TY
It was either Siskel or Ebert who came up with that, I think, around the time "Raging Bull" was released. I can never remember which one deserves credit.
Rita--Thank you. I didn't have so many close relationships with women until I had been married for several years.
I think marriage frees you up to be yourself, let whatever is inside, out without fear of being misunderstood. As a long-time single woman I see the same easy relationship with waiters. We know the constraints and therefore can flirt and preen away without fear.
Lea--I've become pretty good at giving compliments. Much easier when nothing is expected in return.
How very well said, I love your comparisons and they ring so true. I just sit here thinking about all you said. Thanks!
You know, this is the kink of post that will make women attracted to you.
Lunchlady--Thank you.
Procopious--The subconcious is hard at work.
I guess so...I really did not intend to write "kink". Hmm.
First of all, I think your writing is exceptional.
I have always felt that too many people, men included, buy into the idea that men primarily respond to what they see. I also wish that more men would understand that the ability to express themselves the way that you have here is...well, sexy. I really like this post.
Lezlie
LintheSoutheast--I think I woke up one day and found myself at a pretty comfortable place. Marriage can be a lot of work and I try to remember why it is that my wife and I have done this work. Thanks so much for checking in.
What a lovely post which helps to define your own attraction factor as well as defining what is attractive in others.

Confidence is a huge attraction, and this is usually gotten with age...experience. Well written Jimmy.
R
Bonnie--A lot of my writing is about my lost youth and it has sort of escaped me how good I have things now, so I wanted to write something about this, about how, Thank God, the teen years don't last forever. Marriage, as you described, can be a wondrous thing. Glad you enjoyed.

BuffyW--Desire feels different now, but it is still powerful. So much of what we read is about how we aren't as young and strong and beautiful as we were. Okay, we aren't. Nor are we as dumb and self-absorbed and terrified. I like where I am now.
I once climbed Mt. Rainier. I no longer want to do so or may not even be able to but that does not prevent me from admiring the grand mountain from a distance. Ditto for women. Love them all. Fat ones, big ones, short ones, tall ones--young, old and just right. I have always liked women with long hair or a pony tail wearing a baseball cap (but not a damn Yankee one). Getting fooled by looks is a young man and young woman folly. Give me a woman who has her own interests, a kind heart and doesn't worship material things and that is enough. A full set of teeth are nice, too. Why am I talking about this? Damn you Jimmy....
Always nice to hear from the Spud. I'm with you an the Yankee Cap thing. Imagine the sense of superiority, the expectations. Harumph! Who needs it.
I loved this and I think it is all true. Still finding my way in the world of men...and whether their interest in me is just sexual or the whole package. SB attracts the sexual before the whole, so it's hard to navigate but I like the honesty and it rings true.
I loved this and I think it is all true. Still finding my way in the world of men...and whether their interest in me is just sexual or the whole package. SB attracts the sexual before the whole, so it's hard to navigate but I like the honesty and it rings true.
There is a freedom that comes from understanding the whole person. I believe it comes from experience and aged wisdom. Sometimes the chase is already a race run.
alicia--Good luck with the navigation and thank you for your kind words.

Chuck--Sometime we actually get where we were going and can stop running.
The usual excellent post. I share some of your outlook which leads me to posit - you bailed her out, didn't ya?
The honesty and reality rings through this thoroughly wonderful post. The same confidence --and therefore attractiveness-- is true for many married women. You've set the bar at the top in this category.
Daniel--Thank you, but hell, no! Her boyfriend did. I was a mark.

Sally--And you, young lady, make delightful conversation. Thank you.
Like Scarlett I am impressed by this post's honesty.
Thank you.
The comfort one finds in warm intelligent conversation is without a doubt the best. What I found in this piece Jimmy, is unbelievably good writing. Good stuff.
jimmy-your writing is just so honest and real. Your piece took shape and aged just as you brought the young man in jr. high to adulthood. I'm not doing you justice by tripping all over my words. This was particularly beautiful "I have found that the best times in a marriage often follow the worst, that after splashing around in the self-pity pool for few days I dry off in the sunshine of gratitude for not having acted on my compulsions."
R
Well done my good man!
Vanessa, Ranting and Beverly--Thank you, kindly.

junk1--I read the 12&12 regularly, especially page 42 where it says "Our desires for sex...often tyrannize us....Nearly every serious emotional problem can be seen as misdirected instinct."

But it doesn't have to stay that way. So happy to hear from you.

Monsieur--A pleasure and a privilege.
This is a very cool post, and one I think both my husband (of nearly 25 years) and my young adult son would identify with. I remember listening to my husband talk to a friend of mine who was pregnant -- he asked, very casually, "So are you going to breastfeed? We did and it was a great experience..." and nearly choking on an olive. Who is this man?! My friend and I laughed later, but I think all my friends had a crush on him.
Bellwether--A woman I had met at a wedding only hours before, I learned from my wife, was having trouble breastfeeding. I offered to jump-start it for her. She declined, but I believe was tickled by the offer.
I find smart, confident, funny, sensitive men to be sexy as hell. Great post.
Not just an extraordinary post but the comment thread is right on the mark, too. There is a lifetime's wisdom in your reply, "Marriage can be a lot of work and I try to remember why it is that my wife and I have done this work." Apart from which, I'm still cracking up at the image of that woman at the wedding... Priceless!
This is brilliant. I think you may be on to something. Or maybe more than one something. Your theory that married men are more comfortable around the opposite sex by dint of having married one, thereby settling the question of absolute rejection once and for all, is fascinating, and most probably exactly right.

I do think the "men and women of a certain age" factor comes into play quite nicely, as well, because I've been around much younger, married men who still seem to be playing the field, as they don't seem to have found that realm of being comfortable in their own skin. Age must be part of the equation, from what I can tell.

Excellent post, Jimmy. Loved it.

Rated for making me think.
"The way I figure it, a man in love is simply more comfortable around women, more relaxed, more confident and probably less likely to drool and leer."

My girlfriends have always liked my husband this way. It goes a long way to validating my choice in a mate and he gained some excellent friends in the deal too. It's so wise that you understood this so clearly.
Just touched down in Denver, so please accept a group hug and my thanks for reading & commenting. Back in a couple of days.
I love your theory on why married men are attractive. This was very thoughtful, lovely post.
Jim:

Your clear, down-to-earth writing is a gift. I can't help believing it's a reflection of the man you are -- you've got what men would call a no-bullshit attitude and what the women who have commented here call sexy.

My only experience is with that first group, which is also the group that needs to do more that admire something simply because of what it lacks. That's a pretty juvenile way of looking at thing, you ask me. Your posts always reflect not only thoughtfulness but thoughtfulness combined with heart. They're the writings of a grown-up, and that's what I admire about them.
Attraction without an agenda is one of the sexiest kinds of all. I think this is why I have always enjoyed so many male friendships. When we both get that it's not going to go anywhere beyond respect and admiration, many walls come tumbling down. I heart you, jimmymac, and you know it.
I find it easier to talk to married men then singles. Maybe because they can enjoy the attention of a woman without feeling compelled to come on to her, and she in turn can relax and enjoy talking about things not related to seduction. Sure, sometimes people mistake the attention for interest in more, but mostly I think those men like the fact that they can engage in conversation that doesn't have to result in anything but a shared moment.
Simple and honest post. The appeal of the married man rests in his "no longer needing to impress in order to garner attention, nor concern himself with the bashing of antlers that so often surrounded such endeavors"
I echo your conclusion that a man in love is simply more comfortable. I certainly found that on a personal level. You expressed it far better than I could have.
Another winner, Jim.

When I was single, I used to have a hard time having male friends. Now that I'm married and less worried with how "scorable" I appear, I have many male friends. I treasure these relationships but never understood why it was so much easier to develop these friendships later in life than earlier. Now, thanks to you, I understand.
This is simply terrific, Jimmy! Love your incite and perspective. It's so dead on and genuine. I wish I had had a chance to talk to you more that night in Chicago. I was splintered from the get go that night and had moments that I thought I was dying in that bathroom.
Your patience, kindness and silent support speaks volumes to me, Jimmy. I hope we have another chance to have a normal conversation, if there is such a thing. I am really not as flighty or withdrawn as I must have seemed to you. That was not my best impression to say the least. Thank goodness you and Mary were there with me. It was horrible. Please accept my sincere thanks for being the best friend any stranger has ever been to me.
That was such honest and insightful writing. Please let me know when you write about " Seems there might have been one adult somewhere in our Catholic universe to state simply that boys and girls like touching each other, and that this is a very good thing. There wasn't, but that's a post for another day." I can't wait.r.
stinks of authenticity. & i love the stench of your honesty.well written too.

lol@ procopius. he's right tho!

rated.
"Does a woman really think that he cheats on his wife with her only?"

I've been up all night and just had to read this post before going to bed. I'm in a semi-hallucinatory state and I find I don't know what this sentence means. I've never known anyone who "cheated." I've known guys who were married and fell in love with someone else, or got horny, or were bored. They never, to my knowledge, said, "I feel like cheating, cheating is fun." I suppose there are some men (since we're talking about men, but women, too) who get off on the "cheating" aspect, the rebellion and the flouting of the rules, like kids who go to the trouble of writing cheat notes on their shoe for the final exam. It seems folks that use the term "cheat" to mean an affirmative act, and I think it's usually a passive one, the failure to inhibit behavior and conform to the rules. Cheating is what you don't do, not what you do, as far as I can tell, as an alien trying to decipher the earthlings.

I love the description of the man in a good relationship, and while I have to confess I don't understand the concept of being attracted to an unavailable man, I can see how a guy could become much more grounded, therefore more attractive, if he was happily involved.
Sirenita--Thank you for your input, which is always appreciated. The term "cheat" is probably imprecise, and certainly judgemental. People often seek love and gratification outside of their marriage, and who am I to judge the behavior of others? I was on more solid ground as I attempted to describe my own changing perceptions of desire.

I was riffing a bit here, and, truth be told, the second half of that paragraph was constructed as a home for its last line, which I thought was cool and wanted to use somewhere. You busted me for some lazy writing, and for that I thank you.
One of the few benefits of getting older is that head number two does not hold supreme power of head number one -- unless you're Clinton, Ensign, Vitter, Kennedy, Spitzer, Craig, Gingrich, Edwards, Sanford (surely I've left some out)
A Cheap Trick Song with a Typo! Good one, Jimmy. I don't mind you hanging out, and wastin' all my time. xoxox :-)
I do so love to read you.

Thanks for the perspective.

And for putting lie to the notion that all men are bastards.
Yeah, single again here, but I can remember the relaxation of marriage. "So at least one of us will possess that skill" made me actually laugh out loud. I would love to find someone who... well, someone. Sigh, it hasn't even been that long, but I can already smell the scent of desperation oozing out of my every pore ;) Not much is less attractive than that.
welll jimmy fifty four, married for twenty four years and still considering rthe question: "will she approve of me like my MOTHER". Men have a hard to with that one. Even considering it to the degree that you have shows that it is still an active issue for you. Of course sex isn't part of it, unless it was with your MOTHER.
it gets very complicated but if marriage keeps you safe that is a good reason for being there for twenty four years.