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JANUARY 3, 2010 5:47PM

When Did You Know?

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When did you know? When life smacks you in the face, do you realize that you saw it coming all along?

 

I spent five years in an on-again/off-again relationship with a very successful lawyer. We lived 3000 miles apart most of the time, so it was good that he could afford to fly my poor student self around the country and world pretty much at whim. It also helped him as he was a pathological liar. He led many lives, and it took me years to unravel the truth.

 

But I was not surprised. You see from almost day one, I knew.

 

I knew the afternoon he came to the restaurant where I was working to ask me out for a dinner date. I was a cocky 19 year-old art student out on my own for the first time and he’d sat in my section a few weeks earlier. He asked me to dinner. I responded that lunch would be preferable because I knew. But then he picked me up in his white Porsche 911 and took me to Umberto’s. I knew, but I wavered.

 

We had five more dates before I packed in art school in disappointment and headed back home to face my mother’s interminable, “You can’t be a waitress all your life. When are you going pick something and stick with it?” He never did anything beyond kissing me goodnight; he was a perfect gentleman. I left in the mid-fall after six solid weeks of soul sucking west coast rain. I was in the middle of making new plans when I received his Christmas card a couple of months later. He wrote, “I fell in love with you the first time I saw you. I am doing business in New York these days, and I’d love to show you the city if you are interested.”

 

I was flattered, but I knew. I called to thank him for the lovely card, and I mostly declined the offer. I kept the door open a tad, but I knew.

 

While waiting for another school year to start, I worked in a new hotel. The young restaurant manager took a shine to me. We started dating, and he moved me from wait staff to bartender. There were lots of reasons for this move, but I knew. It became a 24/7 relationship—not at all my style. He coordinated our schedules to maximize our time together, and even when he was off shift, he sat at the end of my bar and watched, not at all pleased, at how I interacted with customers. I knew, but I didn’t have anything else to do while I was waiting for September to roll around. I let it pass, but I knew.

 

The first day back at school, I took the train in and expected to take it home. It was exhilarating to be back in school. At the end of the first day, my new friend Mike and I walked through the front doors of the Business building into the sunshine laughing and talking. He was waiting to drive me home. He walked rapidly towards us, and the look on his face told me what I already knew. He was following in his daddy’s footsteps.    

 

I ended it that weekend. In a dramatic flourish, he left his car outside my parent’s house that evening and disappeared until the next morning. I knew. When he returned obviously unscathed, my father who had barely met him more than once went out to speak to him. I never spoke to him again. I knew.

 

Later that year, even though I knew, I took up the lawyer on his offer to go to New York. I was feeling pressure to have a relationship; to tick another item off the list; not to be alone at Christmas. But I knew. This started years of lies and deceptions of staggering magnitude. An elegant room in the Grand Hyatt and a week of enjoying the high-life around the Big Apple can be pretty blinding to young eyes. I knew, but the waver became a full scale stumble into self-delusion.

 

That summer, I moved to Vancouver to live with the lawyer until school started again. I was there maybe three weeks before he was called out of town one weekend. I didn’t know he had a race horse that he co-owned with his ex-girlfriend’s brother. And I didn’t know what could make it so suddenly ill and near death. I knew that he had never mentioned horses before in any way shape or form. I knew that Yakima, Washington was not that far away, and I pretended to know why I couldn’t go.

 

When he returned, I don’t know why he left the motel receipt paid for with his ex-girlfriend’s MasterCard in the suitcase he left on our bedroom floor; the bag I dumped when I was looking to add clothes to my laundry loads. I called a friend and emptied out my side of the closet into the back of her TR6 with the promise not to return. But I knew.

 

This was just the beginning and far from the worst of the tangles he wove, and I knew; always I knew.

 

After finally extricating myself from that mess, I found myself still with that list full of life items. (liftems?) You know the ones; the one’s that start from childhood—education, job, car, spouse, house, children in some sort of order. I had the education, the car and the job. I had a decent apartment in Vancouver’s West end. I needed a guy, so I picked one with a good job, his desk was 10 feet from mine, and a good sense of humour. That he had a live in girlfriend was of no more importance to me than it seemed to be to him. I knew, but he was attainable, so I wavered. I convinced myself I loved him.

 

When we moved in together, I knew. When we visited his family at Christmas, I knew. Four years later, when, after a year of his unemployment, we moved back to my hometown, I knew. Every Christmas, Valentine’s Day, and birthday that passed without a sparkling commitment, I knew, and I cried. When I finally came home from a business trip and announced that I felt we were done, I knew. Two years later, when the house was finally sold, and all the discussions avoided and the boxes packed, he finally admitted it. He’d known all along too. Ten years gone; we both knew.

 

It wasn’t just relationships. When I landed that first big job in sales, I knew. And with every new sales job I landed, I knew, but I wavered because I needed the money. When my future harasser called me about a job, I knew instantly. But I hated where I was so bad, I wavered. When he invited me to accompany him on a sales trip across the country, I knew. But I needed a break from routine, so I wavered. I paid a big price for ignoring that one, but it set me in a new direction.

 

When I finally had the courage to change course, I knew I’d always known. Strangely enough, this knowing wasn’t age related. When I was about eight, my mother sent me to the store alone. As I approached the store on my bike, there was a car parked nearby, and two men stood and watched me as I rode past, and I knew. They were still there when I came out, and I knew. I rode like the devil to avoid them because I knew. I think it surprised them more than a little that I knew.

 

Even when I ignored what I knew, I never wavered so long that I ended up bolting from the altar at the last minute, but I did throw more than a couple of job opportunities into the bin in the middle of the second or third interview because the knowing was too loud.

 

So, it is this knowing that makes me wonder. Am I special to know? Is knowing something you are taught? Or is it the opposite? Is the knowing something we are taught to suppress? I think it is the latter. Hindsight is 20-20, but do you ever realize you knew all along? And when you realize that, do you listen to that little voice harder the next time?

 

I read people’s life stories here on OS. Some have no problem taking full responsibility for their choices, and they learn and change. These people, I understand. But others seem to make the same choices over and over and still, they seem unable to take any responsibility for their choices. They seem to learn nothing about why they made the choices they did. I try not to judge, but I know. And then I waver.   

 

When did you know?


 
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I knew you knew I knew. Did you?
Wow. This is a terrific piece. I know we can't go back, but glimpses like this tell me we probably don't have to. You're right; we know.
I knew when I met him but I was alone in a new city he was nice to spend time with, so I went out with him anyway. I knew when we were dating by the way he talked to me at times and the way he treated me at times, but I kept going out with him. I knew when I met his friends because they weren't the people I would have ever chosen as friends of my own - the choices they made in their lives, the lifestyles they lived, the attitudes they carried - but I stayed with him. I knew when he asked me to marry him and I said no the first time, the second time and then finally "yes". I was young, had no self esteem and feared if I didn't marry him, I'd never get married. I knew the day we got married it was a mistake but I swore I'd never get a divorce. I knew each time he yelled, threatened, pushed and bullied. I knew. But I stayed because I would not get a divorce like my parents had. I had 3 beautiful boys and I knew.
I finally accepted that I had to listen to what I knew when I realized there was nothing left of me anymore. That I couldn't even recognize myself. That my children deserved to know who I really am, not what their father allowed me be. I had to leave on my own or leave in an ambulance or in the back of a police car for something I'd regret the rest of my life.
I know better now.
the tangled paths we weave, the little stories, the little lies we tell ourselves, add up to a point where we need to confront ourselves. some never do, it sure looks like you did. many of my own choices have been serendipitous, I've just been luckier than most.

good piece Janie, got me contemplating which is something. I'm usually on autopilot.
I have known since I was a babe. It doesn't always help in life to know as you still have to make decisions, but it has saved my life a time or two. I think we all know, we just don't all hear. Great post!
There will always be those who really don't know - blind to their own awareness. There will always be those who don't know what else to do. There will always be a few who want to play the victim - often because it's familiar, and they don't know what else to do.

I think we are taught to suppress it, the knowing. We are taught to go along to get along. Sometimes it's to survive, sometimes it's to avoid a more painful reality.

::sigh:: It should be so simple.

But how do explain "the knowing," when to others it might look like a pretty stupid decision? Or to ourselves?

Damn it. I'm supposed to be working. But your post challenges me to think about what I know that I could be ignoring, and what I can do about it.
Wow. This is a subject near and dear to my heart. And I LOVE the way this piece is written.

Did you read "Blink"? It's about knowing, and learning to know you know the moment you know.

I'm a "knower," but it has only been in the past few years that I know I know when I know. You know?
Janie,
I loved this. Absolutely loved this. Your narrative was completely engaging - while pulling out nod after nod of agreement.

Perhaps the kindest service we can offer to others is hoping our stories will help them understand more about themselves. When this is done intentionally it’s beautiful work. When it’s unintentionally it’s masterful. I think you did both.

Rated and appreciated.
Sometimes, when I do know, I still make the "wrong" decision just to see what will happen.

;-)
This is a great piece, Janie. The knowing has to be there before the changes can begin.
This piece does what great pieces do. It sets me to thinking about my own knowing and my own choices. It connects and makes connections. Really beautiful work, Janie.
That's easy.

Halfway through my first semester of college I noticed this weird Goth chick around a lot. She was spooky as hell with her jet-black hair, kohled eyes and black clothing. When she started popping in to my classes, I started to wonder if she was stalking me.


We had never even talked until one day, after a lecture, I saw her sitting not far from me. I decided that I’d ignore her and would just sit there until she left. Did that work? Nope. Not so much… The next time I looked up the lecture hall was empty except for the two of us and she was taking the seat right beside me.


Trying to be a “cool college chick” I looked at her and said “ummm, Hi…. I’ve seen you around… you a Lit major too?”


She answered “Nope. Business…”


Like the completely naïve idiot I still am, I asked, “Oh, then why are you sitting through all of those literature lectures I see you in?”


Like the uber chill chick SHE still is, she didn’t say anything for a full minute while I squirmed in my chair, then she reached over and stroked my upper arm and said, “Mmmmm, I knew you’d have soft skin”…

Then the bitch got up and started walking away…

I sat frozen in my seat for what felt like hours, but was actually mere seconds. I had NEVER in my entire life felt anything like that. Amy is from Sicilian heritage so she called it “Colpo di fulmine” – the Thunderbolt – love at first sight.

When I finally got my few remaining wits together, I grabbed my stuff and dashed after her yelling, “Hey, wait a damn minute!”

We went for coffee, then dinner, then…

For more than a decade now, she has been my best friend, my passionate lover, the person our twin daughters call “Poppi” and now my spouse (screw you, California!).

Yeah, I knew from that first moment.
This is wonderful and so true. I always know, and only find myself in trouble when I go against that knowing.

I was just thinking the other day that since I always know the right path, why don't I simply trust that all will work out for me? How many times do I have to continue to test it, in order to be reallyreallyreallyreallyreallyreallyreally sure that it works, before I can simply have faith and stop worrying?

It's nice to know that knowing is such a universal feeling.
Some people just know and some people just choose to ignore. Only once have I chosen to ignore out of necessity. That's the one that hurts the most.
When I was about ten, I had my first sip of beer.
I didn't like the taste, but I knew.
Enough to keep away for a long time, but then ...
Same old story, isn't it ? Moths and long lost flames and what spotted mind said. Things could be worse though, jk - those two guys in the car .... yeesh ...
Thanks for writing this. I've always thought I knew you knew.
We all are born knowing. Women especially intuner but also equally taught to ignore it and "be nice".

I read a book evey year called women who run with wolves. It's a great book about our intuitive natures told in short stories. Incredible stuff. Every time I read it, at different stages in my life, (I've been reading it for about 10 years now I think) I get new insights. It reinforces what I rediscovered about myself in my early 20s.

You always know. We all do. Whether we listen or not is correlates to our degree of societal conditioning(IMO) .
I knew the marriage at age 19 was wrong and wouldn't last. I knew the boyfriend after I was single again was a cheater and it wouldn't last. I knew the relationship with the married man when I was 25 and he was 39 was bad, even though he told the truth about his 25 year old wife being pregnant with someone else's child. I knew the relationship trying to help an alcoholic (I wrote about him in The Abuse of a Woman) was bad, but I didn't know how bad it would get. I knew if I could just have a baby being a mother would be the best thing I would ever do in my life.

Yes, we know.

Absolutely awesome post - but you knew that, didn't you! ;-)

*R*
shawn colvin's song "when you know and you know that you know" has been playing in my head for days, and now you write this. and so well.

for me, i almost always knew. the hardest part is taking the step to change once the knowing is pounding in your head.

i love that your pieces always make me think, even if it's not one of the hilarious ones. :-D
I realized that I never knew and then I knew.
Which is worse? Not knowing and then OMG KNOWING? or Knowing all along and yet....
I'm going to say ditto to most of the posters here, and agree. I think somewhere in our guts, or our hearts we always know. We just decide to do what we want anyway. Perhaps we're hoping we're wrong. That's when the knowing hurts most...when we're not. Good piece!

Rated.
I was lucky to know people were good when I left home and I was right...I was right about Beck the day I met her...I was right about the co-workers I became close to working with them over fourteen years...or maybe I was just lucky. In the last year something happened. I started to assume I knew what was good and I was wrong. So wrong, that I ended up very hurt. So, I've had to adjust. Hard lesson, but one I apparently needed to learn at a late age. Now, I ask myself what Beck would think...and you know, I get a very strong feeling...so just six months ago, I didn't know, but now I do. xox
Terrific and insightful (insight being the operative word here). You were born with the gifts of awareness and insight, but it takes time to grow into them and understand what amazing gifts they are. We are not meant to be fearless; sometimes fear is appropriate and saves us. Discerning the difference is a process.

Knowing is a lot about trusting yourself and knowing yourself.

I love it when you write from the heart like this.
JK--this post is amazing to me

I have often pondered this question. I almost always 'know' as well. Yet, often, I continue forward, swayed either by circumstance or by the whims of another. I have made several forays out of this. The first was when I went to graduate school. That decision was the right one. I knew, but in a good way. Then, the decision to have the Kid. I knew it was right. I just knew, but in a good way.

The rest ... why did I continue forward with so many things? I know, but I hate to admit it. I'm a drifter by nature. It was so easy to simply move along. I resolved never, ever to be involved with another man if I knew from the beginning it wasn't going to happen. I resolved to follow my instincts on business as well. Right now, my instinct is niggling me about something, and I'm on the verge of ignoring it. Just reading this has strengthened my resolve. I know. It's time to admit it.
I learnt to make a lot of noise so I couldn't hear what I knew. Lovely, powerful, uncomfortable piece. I mean I feel uncomfortable. I think there's still some knowing I'm trying not to hear.
Hands down, the women (pirate or otherwise) are, day in and day out, the best, most insightful, writers on OS. And that's saying something.

Rated highly.
This was really good. Really good.
First off, great piece, beautiful and highly rated!!

Now that's out of the way ---

"But others seem to make the same choices over and over and still, they seem unable to take any responsibility for their choices. "

I know, but you're like my poisoned candy General, I know, I shouldn't eat, but I do!! OH GOD, WHEN WILL I EVER LEARN!!

Now that's out of the way....:)

I don't think some folks ever know, or they know, but they think things will change or they can change the other person for the better.

It becomes this sick little game.....

Rated.
I didn't for many years, but I know now. Really thoughtful piece, Jane.
Great piece. I always knew, too. I knew and went ahead anyway. It's been a lot easier to take responsibility for my life for that reason - -I have nowhere to hide, psychically speaking. I've always been surprised how many people seem genuinely not to know -- and it does seem harder for them.
I seem to be in a contrarian mood today, General JK, but instead of knowing, I am surprised. And then there is luck. Don't pretend there isn't.

I spent a lot of years dealing financial risk and decision making under conditions of uncertainty. Hindsight is always so 20/20.

It is also a way of feeling like we have more control over life than we ever do. A lot of this has to do with giving up on people sooner than we do. But a lot of that is loyalty and hope and love mixed with wishful thinking. And the idea that people never change and can't grow, etc. -- maybe so, but people do change. What about Jerry Maguire, "...I love him for the man he wants to be. And I love him for the man he almost is." ? Is that total bullshit? Maybe mostly, but not entirely.

And what about the times when things work out and we didn't know? I mean, you take a chance on someone and it works out. One of the best hires I ever made had a horrible interview. He also had excellent references, so it was a risk, but it worked out. Exceptionally well.

People have to take chances.

The one area that you can't compromise on is character, though. I mean, I suppose I have been lucky in this regard.

And then there is the notion of forgiving yourself. How can you really forgive yourself regarding a bad decision if you believe that you "knew"? People make non optimal decisions all the time, live with the consequences, and then, at some point, move on. The fact that you -- and others -- suffered from that decision doesn't negate the fact that you probably had the best intentions, and tried incredibly hard, and the experience included some good stuff also. Part of owning your past is not confusing the fact that you SHOULD have known, or COULD have known, or MIGHT have known -- with the fiction that you ACTUALLY KNEW.
I knew the truth at seventeen
That love's a game for beauty queens
Who rip out hearts from lonely men
And flattened them with boots, and then

Chew up the flattened arteries
And fry the rest in deep fry grease
Discard the corpses, start once more
That is the lover's losing war.

Yeah, it's crappy doggerel verse, but it's better and more true than any of the bilgewater verse I've read on Salon.
As soon as I stated reading this - I knew - it was going to be such a compelling story. I just knew! Tons of food for thought here.
Thanks !
Intuition is a powerful drug, not to be underestimated.
You. Me. Drinks. Name the spot. I knew. Sometimes I didn't do anything with that knowledge and sometimes I did. I knew that I had to find out for myself even if I knew better. Beautifully, honestly written. One of your best pieces. Ever. I know. xoxo
Many of us "know," but are taught not to trust our instincts. I am fortunate in that my dreams often tell me things that I need to know. I always believe them.
I don't who knew what and when, and I hope I'm not repeating an unread comment, but I know a good piece of writing when I see it and I just read one!
This I know--I love this piece!
Wow. I came back not knowing so many would know; or did I know you'd all know too? Regardless, I'm so glad you do. I am actually tearing up to know that so many know. I'm stuck. I want to comment to each of you, but I'm overwhelmed.

Thank you for confirming this for me.
On the other hand, some people are grabbed by the shoulders, shook hard and have the bitter truth screamed into their ears.

And to this day, they still don't know.

I really enjoyed this piece.
I never seem to know.
"Hindsight is 20-20, but do you ever realize you knew all along? And when you realize that, do you listen to that little voice harder the next time?"

Yes. Sometimes. And sometimes, I just can't help myself ...
All I know is that I pretended I didn't know - too many times, when I should have known better.
Marvellous writing.
~R
I think only people as privileged and successful as you seem to have been/still are are allowed the luxury of knowing that you can take what you want regardless of the cost to yourself or others. Far too many do not get those second, third or even fourth chances to make things right.
It sucks, sometimes, this knowing. And I agree that our society trains this out of us -- especially girls. We've finally begun to teach kids that the appropriate response to someone's uninvited advances is to yell and run as fast as you can. In my day it was "say thank you to the nice man".

Even though I subjected myself to years of turmoil, I believe that if I had not had that "knowing" lurking around in the background, it would never have turned out like this.

Thank you JK for writing this insightful piece.
Brutally honest and very well written. What a ride!

Our life path is so often a slippery slope of our choices, known and unknown. There really is so little control over that as we are just as swayed by our present circumstances as we are our past accumulation of experiences andinfluences that surround us. We most often cannot choose our cirstances, however, we can choose how to navigate through them. Your story is so poignant and real.
I never know. I have a bad picker...not that the people I fall in love with are bad...a lot of times we're just not meant to be...or only meant to be a short time. Any way. Rated
It depends on the situation, some people are not as sharp, there are always big bad wolfs around, and unfortunately girls are going to have to steer clear of them. There are plenti of good time Charlies around as well, there are ways in which to protect your self, take a step back and analyze if you want to get involved or pass. It is hard to assess as to different situations occur especially for single woman/man that make them vunerable. It is being able to play a game of chess, with relatives, other peoples children, money, that makes it kind of harder in my eyes. But hearing you speak, I get the drift that "you know" all that.
Janie - the many previous commenters have already said anything I could add here. I knew my first marriage wasn't right, but did it anyway. I blame nobody for that; however, I am surprised how many others knew too and did it anyway.

This is a very impressive piece that you've written here, and I expect that it will show up as an EP in a few days ( and please don't anybody feel the need to make any "I don't care about EP's" comments). I say this a compliment to you on a fine piece of writing.
"Women know. Women almost always know."
--- Lucy to the Judge in Stephen King's "The Stand"

Terrific essay - I've always known, too, except for one time but then it was from behind and I was wearing headphones, so it was more a case of not being in a position to know.
I knew once I knew. But now, I wish I did not not know.
Some of the worse moments of my life, were when I truly had no idea. Very cleverly written, original and powerful. R
You know the old saying, "Too smart for your own good?"
Well, we all know that saying. We know it very well.
That's why we do stupid things.
My sister and I call this: "go with your gut".

They say teaching kids to "finish their food" is actually unhealthy as it teaches them to override their natural stops and become overeaters.

The problem is when it comes to relationships--hormones and energy drives tend to override the gut...

pain and suffering seem to bring moments of clarity..but even then---who's to say.

All we can do is try and encourage each other to be careful, to remind each other to listen to our gut.

But--good luck with that!
Rated for saying something I have been meaning to talk about here...thanks for bring up the topic. Great comments from everyone. You clearly hit on something!
I tend to go through a little while of denying to myself that I know, and I suspect I'm a royal bitch at those times. Then something clicks, and I both know and act on that knowledge, and I'm not talking only about relationships, but the direction my life is taking in general. Those moments have led to major lifestyle changes, including both moving to and from Asia, over the years.
I think once you know, you need to get your ass out of the situation ASAP. As you know, I'm getting better at dodging bullets (as you said). You were young. People my age have no excuses. What I don't understand is people who stay in these abusive situations for a long time or a life sentence. People should pay attention to that knowing voice inside if the warning sounds are going off...personally, I feel like I am running out of time to waste and if I know, I have no excuses. I give myself a hard time if I know and even waste a minute of time or tangle my mind like I did recently.
If you don't mind, I don't want to talk about the knowing re love but rather the knowing re one's own inconsistencies. It's a weird habit I have--checking myself whenever I judge someone to make sure I don't do the same thing. And sometimes I realize I do. Which doesn't always make me stop judging but it does always temper my judging just the teeniest bit. Like, OK, I hate it when she does that even though I know that I do the same thing in a slightly analogous situation myself.

But there are people who don't do this! Who don't know! Who have no idea that they are being so freaking inconsistent in their judgment of others even while they do practically the same thing.

That drives me crazy.

As you were.
Knowing when it's wrong allows you to know when it's right too. It's taking care of what's right that's the real responsibility.
I like the last comment, "knowing when it's wrong allows you to know when it's right, too." Wonderful post, way to start out 2010! I will use this piece for inspiration soon. Thanks!
I knew the moment I saw you... but then you knew that I knew that you knew that I knew...

:)

I know.
Great piece, General. Just beautifully written. I suppose my blog is all about knowing making other decisions, anyway--and all the wreckage and confusion. So I can't say much here. But I get the feeling that time is not quite so linear, and that I knew when I was about an inch big.
I know when it whispers to me. If I don't heed it, it gets louder.
I really always know.
No. Some of us have a tin ear. I have been blindsided. I have needed someone to connect the dots. I have needed a family intervention. I was raised to trust and hope; sometimes that prevails through hard times, some times it causes hard times. I learn from hard experience. I have, like most of us, had dreams realized and hearts broken. I guess it is living. But I haven't always known.
I know, too. And I knew, like you, through fifteen years of bad choices. Some of my choices to ignore what I knew were echoed by yours. It easier to know than to do something about what you know.

Can I use the words know and knew any more in a short comment?
Very well written, gripping in its style and message.

For the most part I knew, but only from learning from what I didn't at the time. I hate when that happens, but I do always get another piece of the code from it, so all is not lost.

R
I realize I didn't actually address your question last time. I knew 15 minutes before the wedding, but went through with it anyway.
Cat, thank you.

Walkaway, we all make decisions that counter our knowing for all sorts of reasons, but if we look hard enough, no matter how bad it seems, we can always find the silver lining. I bet you feel that when you look at your 3 beautiful boys.

Barry, I too have been lucky, but do know that some of that luck has to do with paying attention and taking advantage of the luck that is sent my way. If you make enough good decisions, I think autopilot is the reward…just look up every now and then.

Lunchlady, so you fall on the side of knowing. Thank you.

Owl, when the knowing points to something that seems outrageous, it takes real courage to go with it. I know. I’ve ignored it at those times. And there are plenty of circumstances where situations just don’t allow people to follow their gut, but I hope it doesn’t lead them to stop trusting in it so they can eventually take a new direction. Thanks.

m. a.h, I’ll check out that book. And I know. It took me years to know I know and still, I wonder if I really do. Sigh. Thank you.

Dennis, wow, thank you. As usual, you make me wish I could rate comments too.

Spot, me too. When I have nothing to lose, sometimes I just go against the grain. It’s part of the learning process I think…to test the hypothesis. Thx.

Julie, so true. Thank you, and please come get your mother now…she’s still singing. ;)

CK, a humble thank you.

Safe_bet, “Colpo di fulmine” I love it. Your name belies your courage. What a great love story. It is a post in itself. I hope you expand on it someday…or did you already?

Lisa, that trust is what I am still struggling with and yet I have lots of empirical evidence that says I need to trust more. Maybe the constant testing is what keeps us from going into autopilot. Thank you.

OM, I’ve had to ignore it out of necessity more than once too. It does seem to hurt more when you knew you knew, but you had to do it anyway.
Kim, thank you. There were a few things I tried in my youth that I knew instantly were not to be toyed with again.

MaddieP, I read Women Who Run With the Wolves as a lead up to leaving my last relationship. It took me about a year to get through it as each chapter resonated so beautifully that I had to let it sink in. I refer to it often still. And I agree, for women, “being nice” usually suppresses the knowing.

Kyle, I didn’t know all that you went through, but I’m glad you knew even if you couldn’t always act on it right away.

Femme, you were a bit of an inspiration as well. Eventually, the pounding gets too loud. This you know. :D

Chuck, knowing you don’t know is often just as powerful. Thx.

Walkaway, you came back. I knew you would. ;)

A~Muse, thank you. I think we are born knowing. Too many people are taught not to trust it or never given the chance to test it out in a safe environment.

Robin, I’m glad you found your sense of knowing again. It’s an easy thing to lose sometimes when too many changes happen at once. xox

Barking, as I said t a~muse, I think we need a safe environment to learn to trust that voice. Sort of like training wheels and Mom nearby with a box of bandages. Thank you.

Odette, I am a bit of a drifter too. I call it going with the flow. I try to trust the flow as well. Now about that niggling feeling of yours… ;) Thank you.

Gail, noise is a huge distraction for many people I believe. I know I do that too. Thank you.
We have this small, whispering voice that shows up even before we learn verbal communications. It tells us what we need to know (some call it "instinct" but it is really much more than just that). Sometimes, as we grow older, we suppress it to the point of killing it because we are told that it is wrong to judge others on sight.

But sometimes, we just know. Children have a magnificent radar attuned to all around them. I can't tell you how many times, wheeling my kids around in the supermarket, one of them would whisper to me about another customer who was "scary". One look convinced me they were harmless; after all, they were usually dressed nicely, had a cart loaded with items, seemed to be at the very least pleasant.

But I always listened to that child's statement. Because usually, they just know.

I found that there were times when things didn't turn out like I had planned when I started something, but seems like I knew even before I started - I just chose to brush that feeling aside and wade in.

"The objective of all dedicated product support employees should be to thoroughly analyze all situations, anticipate all problems prior to their occurrence, have answers for these problems, and move swiftly to solve these problems when called upon. However, when you are up to your ass in alligators, it is difficult to remind yourself that your initial objective was to drain the swamp. "

Yup - that's me all over. Pass the iodine and band-aids when you're done with them. :-D

Thumbed.
Boanerges, I don’t know about that, there are some very insightful men on OS. Thank you. And thanks for coming back to let me know you knew what you knew and when you knew it.

Gwool, Thank you.

Tink, you are right on about people thinking things or people will change. I’ve done it myself. Like right now, I’m hoping to change you and get you to give up all that porn and the Tbear and be mine exclusively, but I know I can’t. *wanders off* Wait, this is my blog…you wander off. ;)

Lea, your misogyny piece and a few others got me to finally put these thoughts down on paper. I’m so glad you finally know. Thank you.

Silk, I’m like you in that I usually knew and went ahead anyway. It does make it easier to live with it. And I often wonder about people who genuinely seem not to know. I try really hard not to judge. Thank you.

Nick…??? I try to leave money and finances out of this equation, but I bet there are clients of Bernie Maddoff who knew but fell prey to the hype and the pressure. Maybe not everyone has an inner voice, and that is part of the question I pose here. But I’d never call my knowing fiction because I’ve tested it too many times to count. Maybe luck is just another word for listening?

Tomreetoon, great song. I remember it well.

Scarlett, thank you. I knew you’d think that. ;)

Kathy, we underestimate it at our peril often, but fortunately, we usually just get a scraped knee.

Cartouche, I knew there were people on OS for whom this would resonate, and I knew you would be one of them. But that’s because I’ve read your stuff. Thank you.

Voicegal, wow, your dreams tell you things. I love that. We studied dream yoga at the ashram, and the dreams I had there were very prescient. It was like I opened a channel. And now it’s closed again. Sigh. I wish you would write on that more. Thank you.

Daniel, thank you. I’m so deep into these comments that I’m not sure who knew what and when either. ;)

HowSoon, thank you.
Angus, you are right of course. Maybe that is because they have to discover it themselves. Sigh. Thx.

Brian, I think you know more than you admit. I know that.

1_Mum, I can’t help myself either often. It does keep life interesting though. Thx.

FusunA, I’m a good pretender too. Thank you.

Skeletnwmn, thank you for playing muse to this piece. Your misogyny post dragged this all up to the surface. That knowing served you well no matter how long it took you to listen to it.

JustCathy, thank you. We don’t get to choose our circumstances, but if we have the right supports in place we do learn to navigate. And I think it requires being brutally honest with ourselves no matter how harsh.

Jill, At least you know you have a bad picker, that’s a start. I know I was a bad, bad picker for far too long.

Momsacomic, I think our vulnerability is where we all stumble. I know it was for me. I was lucky I had some good supports to help me back on my feet so I could learn.

Grif, I imagine the divorce courts are full of people who knew before they hit the altar. The pressure to marry can be overwhelming when we are young. It is up to parents to help ease that pressure. I think divorces are easier when both parties can admit they knew and move on. Thank you for your kind words.

Sandra, one of the things martial arts teaches is to always be in a position to know. Awareness. It is a tough thing to master. I’m still trying. Thank you.
Yes, he sighed. I knew too, I shouldn't have spent 18 years with her. r.
Should have made it clear that that was the first wedding, not the second, which was many years later.
Mypsyche, sometimes I wish I didn’t know too. Funny that.

Rita, yeah, I kind of prefer knowing too. Thank you.

Joy, I’ve heard that saying too many times to count. Thx.

Sweet peony, my gut rules for the most part. And I totally agree with you on the food issue. I think society programs out a lot of the natural gut instincts – no pun intended. I’ll be interested to see your post on this topic when you do it.

Peppermint, I know that feeling. I just made a huge decision that affects the next 3 months of my life. It took months to make it because I couldn’t quite hear what my gut was telling me. Once I knew, it was a huge relief. Major changes are wonderful things when we follow our guts.

Leonde, I don’t know if it is any easier when we get older, because we get complacent and comfy and our risk taking impulses dull. Be nice to yourself.
Lainey, I have the same tendencies when I find myself being judgmental. And it makes me crazy when I see the pot calling the kettle burnt with no clue to the charcoal on its own ass. So yes, me too.

ANFSCD, I think the two are inextricably linked. But wrong is always more dramatic.

Dragonlady, it is a good comment. And thank you.

Surly, I was knowing my knowing.

Frank, your blog is a perfect example of this because you know and you are deciding otherwise. As for the linear thing, I think I know that too. Merci.

Lonnie, I knew that about you. ;)

Joan H, exactly. I hate when I let it get so loud it drowns out everything else.

Aqwyyan5, I knew you would comment, I just knew, and could you please get a moniker that is easier to type.

Aspasia411, but you learned, and you had family to support you, and that is something to be thankful for.

Melissa, I think you know how many times you can know and knew in a comment. You always knew. ;)

Buffy, exactly. Each lesson, if we pay attention helps us know better the next time the voice niggles at us. Maybe we will have the whole code when we are old crones giving out sage advice. One can hope right? Thank you.

Boanerges, did the Redhead ask you to correct this comment, or did you know you should before she said anything? ;-)
Bill S...kids and dogs are sometimes the best judges. And too often children are taught to ignore that instinct...just look at the mess with the Catholic church. And I always forget to drain the swamp. Sigh...*passing the bandaids and iodine*

Sheepie...sigh, this feeling I know. *passing more bandaids and iodine*
I knew when I wrote it that she'd know what I was talking about; I just wanted to make sure you knew.
Where does this come from -- this knowing? I knew my best friend, at the time, was seeing my then boyfriend behind my back. To be honest, this knowing kind of gets on my nerves because I want this "thing" to be real so badly.

Enjoyable read.
Great post Janie, but now you can't tell anyone you didn't know:P Taking responsibility for one's life choices isn't that fashionable these days, but it's one of the keys to self-awareness. As for me, well, I've known all along....
I know when I don't get it. The best thing I know is that you don't have to know everything.
" I bet there are clients of Bernie Maddoff who knew but fell prey to the hype and the pressure."

There were a lot of people that actually did know that Maddoff was doing something wrong -- but assumed that he was "scalping" or somehow cheating in his trading operations (which were, to my knowledge legit).

So, I would say that on basic issues of personal integrity, you can't compromise -- without knowing that you are vulnerable.

And I didn't mean to imply -- in my last sentence -- that fiction applied to your knowledge.

Once again, a very thought provoking post.
I'd like to apologize for my earlier harsh comment, and to respond more fully. First, this is a wonderfully written piece. More than that, it is emotionally brave and honest. It triggered some thoughts and unresolved issues in my own life, and that is what good writing does -- it makes you think and reflect and with any luck, gain a little self-knowledge.

I have made a huge number of mistakes in my life. I've been told repeatedly that I am "too smart for my own good," "too smart to be happy," and that I "think too much." Not sure about the smart part given my track record, but I definitely over-analyze a situation, then sometimes make the wrong decision anyway. I've written before about trusting my intuition and what happens when I don't. In relationships, yes, I sometimes knew that the bad boys were gonna make me cry and treat me badly, and I did it anyway. That had to do with a lack of self esteem and repeating old patterns I learned in childhood. In work situations I was more naive than knowing for a long, long time. I sometimes trusted and confided in the wrong people. I suck at politics. I'm too honest and outspoken, plus, get a few drinks in me and I become ridiculously sentimental.

Despite a tough facade, I am actually pretty trusting underneath. I WANT to believe that people are good and mean what they say, especially if I like them, and I don't always follow my gut even when it's wrenching with doubt. But as I've written before, my gut is rarely wrong. Following the knowing of that is a sign of maturity, as is stepping out of the fray and keeping quiet when to speak is only going to cause more pain. I clearly have a lot of growing up to do. This post brought a lot of that to the fore and I am grateful to you for writing it. Thank you.
emma, that was beautiful xo
Miss Adams, maybe the knowing is always there, but we are unsettled with the messages.

nana, I always knew you knew. I did.

justme60, you don't have to know anything, but when you do know, how do you learn to trust the knowing?

Nick, I can tell this has provoked you into many thoughts. And I am most appreciative.

Emma, as Barry said, a beautiful heartfelt response. If my writing can evoke suck a visceral response in a writer such as yourself, then my work here is done...at least for today. Thank you for coming back to clarify.
When did I know? It was that evening in January 1986, when he walked into my college Creative Writing class. I looked at him, and even though he was a stranger then, I knew that we had met before, and that we were meant for each other. Thunderbolt, indeed. When else did I know? Flash forward to the evening of July 10, 1998, the day after our younger son's 5th birthday, when a friendly discussion turned into yet another yelling match. I looked at him getting scary-unreasonable, pulling wild statements and accusations out of the air, and I knew that he would Always Be This Way, and that there was absolutely nothing that I could do about it. I saw the End, and knew it for what it was, just as I had seen the Beginning. I knew that I would stay with him, being unemployed and having nowhere else to go and nothing else to offer my sons but my love and the frightening free-fall of life on welfare. And thus we remain to this day. But here's another thing that I know. Our younger son will graduate high school in June 2011 and head off to college that September. After that, I am out of this marriage so fast, you won't see me for smoke. You know a lot, JK, and you write it so well that I might borrow your idea for a post of my own someday-- giving you credit, of course. Thanks for this post. WalkAwayHappy, you also know a lot. Your story is similar to my own; glad you got away to a better life. : D
I am at a stage in my life where I realize I don't always know for I am not the Master of the Universe. There was a time I thought I knew but my 90 year old aunt taught me " you never know" and "to let things play itself out". rated~

It did get me to think a lot. rated ~
JK-Wow. This reads like to story of my life, and so well done I might add. I always knew. I also always ignored the knowing and hoped I had the power to change whatever man it was with my love. God, what a cliche. Change em' with your love, right.

The dangerous men have always been full of intrigue and momentary delights, but I always knew. I took responsibility for my choices, but still repeated them. It's become a bad habit of sorts:)
whoops, sorry meant to say reads like the story of my life! i phone typing here...ugh.
Excellent piece -- I love it when something is both written well enough to make for fascinating reading and provocative enough really get me thinking.

For me, the answer is that I almost always know, about a great many things. I've scared people sometimes by acting confidently upon that knowledge, I guess because they expected me to struggle with something that was absolutely clear to me. To appease them, I've gone the other way and let their uncertainty overrule what I know but that always works out badly. And many times I've known but decided to do the opposite anyway, mainly because I didn't like the idea of whatever it was I truly knew, or because I was simply afraid to do it.

Sometimes though I get it right. For example, I've lived in three different cities since college, and each of those moves were a case of knowing it was the right location at the right time, although in none of those moves was it obvious to anyone, including me at the time, why I had to move to that city right then.
The day my future ex-husband asked me how to spell the word 'twelve', I knew.

Truth is: on the wedding night, not long after the...festivities, I knew. And I wavered. But, I knew.

Here's yer sign.....Outstanding piece, JK.
I just realized something I knew months ago. xoxo