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MAY 20, 2011 6:29AM

I Caused The Church Scandal

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     Imagine my surprise when I read the other day that the Church now blames me for its priest-pedophilia scandal. Me 'n the 600,000 others who attended Woodstock. And who favored tie-dyed tees. And rode that train, whether or not we were high on cocaine.

     And, hard as I try, I can't recall seeing a single inverted collar up in Max Yasgur's loft, swaying to Joan Baez, jumping to Country Joe, or plodding along in those muddy-muddy port-o-potty lines. And yet here I am, smack in the youth of my middle-age, and I'm to blame, I, and all those who were part of the Sixties' sexual revolution.

wodstockfestival69airplanephoto

     Sound a bit off? (Go ask Alice; I think she'll know.)

    
     Or ask the Church and read the report it now endorses blaming
                   
                      
                    
                         'mymymy gennnnneraaaation'
for its failures of oversight and for its systematic moving onward (and typically upward) the pedophiles in its charge. 
     The report, written by John Jay College and commissioned and accepted by the Conference of Bishops here, may help those actually responsible for the rapes and abuse of countless thousands of children to rest more easily. Yet it does nothing to further anything like a needed no-tolerance era in Church-parish relations. It does nothing to push the Church to deeper, more sincere reflection, let alone serious partnership with secular, criminal authority to make certain that the guilty are actually punished (and not simply hidden), to ensure that these men are kept from anyone under twenty-one for life. And that's what's necessary. Far from doing what's needed to better recruit, train, and monitor all priests, this report, while it foolishly lays the Church's serious, resistant problems at the feet of secular societal change, slaps in the face all those it has already harmed.
           Basilic Saint Peter, catholicism's most sacred shrine. Vatican City (color)

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Morning, Jon! (Shaking head at this latest insanity by MotherChurch) sheeze ...thanks ! R
I am aware of, and I understand the idea some have that this report is really an attack by Church conservatives on Vatican-II, Pope John XXIII and the liberalising that took place w.in the Church in the 1960s.

But that, even if there's truth there, cannot be a full explanation, bc even if the conservatives are suggesting John XXIII's reforms were/are akin to secular society, the report itself is unremittingly clear: it lays the pedophilia/sexual assault problem squarely at the door of secular society w.o the slightest bit of metaphor.

Catholic people deserve more; at the very least they deserve to be served by an institution fully preared to face itself and its recent history and by doing so, showing that it has the capacity/willingness, to protect its children. Those children function, those families live, in the Church, but also in the wider society. Those children are our children, too.
Muse good day to you, as well! Thanks! You even beat my 'bump' comment, Muse!
Country Joe warned you to stay away from the brown acid, Jon. Did you listen? NooooooOOOOOOoooooo. Oh, well. A late confession is better than no confession. You're absolved, my brother. Domino pizzi obluvium.
Matt In The Name of I thank you, My son, for your PizzaTerrificComment! I knew my HS Latin would someday help me in 'real life'.
I hear the sound of many red silk shod feet running in futile circles while they launch diversionary psuedo-theological nonsense from their holy potato launchers.
Linn what is surprising to me as a nonCatholic is the weakness this shows in a 1700 yr old institution that raised armies, ruled Europe.
I've always wondered why nuns aren't accused of this as much as priests are. Its interesting, from a sociological perspective, in a way.
How convenient to blame a sociocultural trend. Could anything be more vague? Could anything better mask the fact that particular individuals were responsible for doing irreparable harm to young people?
RW is there evidence for nuns-as-rapists, nuns-as-pedophiles? If so, I'm unaware of it.
Jerry what really is stunning abt this is that the kinds of people deflecting onto society this resonsibility are the very same conservative-thinking folks who have told us for years on end that poverty cannot explain, or take the blame, for the crimes poor people commit.
JW: Not that I know of. I think that, culturally speaking, men are more likely to commit rape. Perhaps it is also biological, I suppose. Doesn't excuse it, but it does seem like most pedophiles and rapists, gay or straight, are male, which is interesting.
Jonathan, guilt by association over in this corner! Back in the summer of '69 my brother and I gave a hitchhiker a ride and his destination was Woodstock which was starting the following day, so I share part of the blame....
RW actually, most pedophile males are straight.
Des NOW I remember you!!! :)
Aren't you tired of bashing the Catholic Church? Don't you have better things to do or to write about? (I'm not sure why I ever friend requested you, but that's going to change right now.)
Patricia,

Feel so free to drop me.

And it's the Church bashing itself that's so sad, bc it has done some remarkably progressive things (and yes; I've written abt those here, too, such as it's wise and decent position on the evils of capital punishment.)

Why it chooses this, however, is beyond me, and I guarantee beyond the ken of its Founder. That remarkable Rabbi would never, ever countenance this, His Church's continual choice to favor corrupt men and hierarchies over its children.

"Suffer the children to come unto me."? To Him? Sure. To those who do this in His Name? Forget it.

JW
Jon... INsanity is right AND CONGRATS ON THE EP!!
JW, while I'm an atheist, I still assumed that many, if not most, of organized religions' practitioners were honest, decent and well-meaning folk. So to treat the widespread pedophilia as an issue that would best be brushed away undermines their fundamental moral basis.
Jon, I will have to check your archives and see if you have written more about Woodstock.
Catherine.... :) .... I have!
Abra and another sad aspect to this is that there are so many outraged Church mbrs and their ldrshp is letting itself speak for them, and so crudely.
Perhaps the third time will be a charm! Can't seem to post anything today.

My practicing relatives, blame this all on "the Catholic haters".
Yet when I tell them of my own experience forty some years ago, they dismiss me as making it up. I long ago gave up on the hypocrisy of "mother church"!
kenny i'm sorry you found such a wall in your own family.
Yeah, you damn hippies and your 'loud music' and your 'crazy drugs' just caused it all!!

(Psssst, I personally blame you for everything bad that has happened or will happen! It's just easier that way!! 'all Jonathan's fault don't you know, he listened to some music back in 1969, caused a whole bunch of bad stuff!!!! Wars too!! Bad Jonathan!! :D)
Tink...and Katrina and the Dust Bowl.
You Jewish hippie - you should be ashamed of yourself, getting the catholic church into all that trouble. Goodness knows, without Outside Agitators, all would be well...
Myriad :::sigh::: couldn't fool you, girl....
Rw005g & Jonathan,
Nuns didn't molest children because they were too busy violently assaulting them. I was an eyewitness, and victim, of this abhorrent behavior on more than one occasion.

Patricia,
Aren't you tired of defending a hypocritical and morally bankrupt institution?
As a non-practicing Catholic myself, it really shocks me every time some headline like this pops up from the mud that is current events.

There are really two Catholic churches: one is the church of the believers, those that have a connection with a religion which dates back to the earliest days of Christianity and has in many ways changed very little in its basic belief system.

The other church is its leadership which, like the belief system itself, is little changed from it imperial Roman model of leadership. (The pope as Caesar, the curia as an obedient Roman senate, etc.) It is authoritarian, autocratic, and out of touch with the people it supposedly leads. It may have worked 1800 years ago, but no more.

When the bishops make such goofy pronouncements such as this it just shines a light on how totally out of step they are with the 21st century.
Somebody had to do it, Jon. I'm glad it was you. Congrats for getting an EP for it too ! :o)
♥R
Leeds, I am sorry that happened to you.
I also want to emphasize that I think, as I have said above, that the Church has done numbers of good works.
The Fly it is, yes, sad, if not tragic.
FusunA It's just one of many bad things I have caused, such as the market crash.
Jonathan,
Yes the church has done some good things.
Ted Bundy worked on a suicide prevention hotline. That doesn't mean we should forgive him for his crimes.
And as the church has shown yet again with this ridiculous report, there is no true contrition on its part.
What next!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
R
Leeds I do not think I can reasonably be interpreted here as asking that the Church be whitewashed or forgiven its crimes: I'm a Jew--my ancestors lived through the Inquisitions and the expulsions. I am suggesting that history tells us a story more interesting and somewhat more positive than just the one abt pedophiles and their cover-up.
Susie you tell me!! :)
Susie you tell me!! :)
The church will stop at nothing to cover its sins-even ridiculousness.

Rated/Buddy
Buddy it'd have so much more credibility w its people were it to act well as to this.
Clearly they’re right; you did cause the sex scandal! You obviously infiltrated the Catholic Church and ran their seminaries where you taught the new priests to be abusive by abusing them yourself and you taught them to adopt denial tactics by adopting them yourself! Don’t deny it!!

Furthermore you taught them to adopt many bigoted beliefs about sex indicating that if they don’t adopt the strict beliefs of those that refuse to act as they tell others to behave they will go to hell.

Then you went to Woodstock in a lame attempt to create an alibi!!

You don’t fool me anymore!!

;-)
Jon, does that mean we're finally famous? Congrats on the EP. -R-
Will ok tell that to the Church! :)
Zach rats and to think that i tht i'd fooled you....
The blame game goes all the way to the top, I guess. I personally take no responsibility for the awful goings-on, and suggest you don't either.
Lea I did cause Katrina, tho; I gotta own up.
It is this kind of hare-brained rationalization and refusal to see the actual truth that is responsible for me being a "former Catholic."

Lezlie
Lezlie it becomes, I suppose, hard to searate institution from faith in the face of such stubborn hurtfulness.
LeedsJr: I don't and never have defended a "hypocritical and morally bankrupt institution." I'm not sure what you're talking about. I DO defend the Church Jesus Christ started....Catholicism.
The John Jay report referred to in this post is over 140 pages in length. I do not know if you have read it; there is no evidence that you have. I have reviewed the entire report, and read large portions of it in detail.

The report, of course, never mentions "Jonathan Wolfman." It never mentions or refers to "Woodstock." There is one section of the report -- less than one page out of over 140 pages -- that discusses "Social Influences on Sexuality: Period Effects." This appears to be what you're talking about.

But the post fails to mention or even refer to the other 139 pages, and it also manages to misrepresent the content of that one page. One might hope that a post discussing a single page out of a 140 page report would get that one page right, but in this case one would be disappointed. It is not clear that you even read that one page.

While you neglect over 99 percent of the report, you chastise the report for not pushing the church to "deeper, more sincere reflection." If you haven't read the report, how do you know what it does or does not push the church to do? If you have read the report, why do you not discuss the recommendations in the report?

In short, your post is so flawed that I don't think it even qualifies as propaganda. You ignore almost all of the report. You misrepresent the one page that you do reference. You ignore all the recommendations in the report, and then criticize it for not "pushing the church." Outside of the report, you ignore the many reforms that the church has already implemented. You neglect to mention that abuse cases have now fallen to a tiny fraction of what they once were.

This is not personal. But I have to say that you've written a very poor-quality post, inaccurate and misleading, utterly lacking in facts, and horribly incomplete. You have every right to publish such a post, but why you would is beyond me. I probably would have ignored it, but when it ends up on the cover, I feel like I have to say something. Of course, it is not your fault that it's on the cover, and I cannot even imagine why it was selected for the cover. Perhaps the editor could enlighten us.
Mish then I am just as selective in my reading as the Boston Globe, the New York Times, and dozens of other sources. I'll be pleased to be lumped w them.

My Q for you is Is there no deravity to which the Church leadership can sink which ou won't excuse?

PS Do not bother--I already know the answer.
I take it you didn't stay for Hendrix. I gather hardly anyone did.

Me, I was just too young. I was, in fact, in summer camp in the Catskills at the time. The counselors kept leaving in the evening for some event or other.....
Kosh we stayed for Jimi.
Jon...I know the Weight of the world is on your back. The chemicals in those tie dyeds got to a lot of us that way. Now they use Jello (or KoJel). You take credit for Katrina and the Dust Bowl? Anyone that knows anything about Woodstock gives you credit for all that rain too. There was some very un-holy things at that festival, but people tried to put us down, just because we got around, things they did were so cold, hope I die b4 I get old

luv ya Jon...R
What a horrible thing for them to say. You would think that they could just own up to their part in it all after everything that has happened. This just makes them look worse. R
Although it is my personal view that the 60s sexual revolution, was, on balance, mostly a negative one for the society in general, and women in particular, it is absurd to blame it for the Church's woes.

They need to do whatever they can, and as aggressively as possible, to get these evil men in jail and ensure that it not happen again.
The church has to blame someone and the Jews were unavailable for this one.
The number of priests invoved in this scandal is something like 3% of the entire catholic priesthood. Amazingly you never head of nuns trying to do anything to the kids except hitting them hard with a wooden ruler.
Lately the Orthodox Jewish community has owned up to what is going on there. Despite some cover ups some have come to light. I'm sure you've read about that rabbi who molested a young Israeli soldier girl on a plane and claimed he was sleeping.
Just one example of the way in which the church refuses to admit their guilt....yeah, the hippies made me do it..poor priests, I guess they just don't have any free will. r
Actually, the clerical sexual abuse has nothing to do with you or the sixties. It' s part of the abuse of power, the celibacy and necromancy that's part of the corporate methods of this Church and a number of other religions. While some of us believe in human progress towards a more humane society, the Church not only doesn't share our hope for humanity, but they abuse the unfortunate people for whom the passage of time offers not progress, but a series of losses, a regression. In the name of the wretched of the earth, the Church promotes itself as a savior. And since all of us ultimately stall in our progress as we age, we fall within the class needing the Church's ministry at some time, when we're sick, have suffered the death of family, arrive at the moment where we need the sacrament of extreme unction. And that is where clerical predators find an ample source of prey among vulnerable women, children, the senile, and the mentally challenged innocents to abuse. What hippie event, we may ask, does the Church blame for the abandoned children, the bastards, of wayward deadbeat priests? And how, then, does the Church continue to renew itself after centuries of such abuse, from the pre-celibate church evoked in Boccacio's fiction The Decameron, to the accounts of the good explorers of the Americas who denounced the friars and Catholics who collected harems of adolescent native women? Ah, the secret is that the more things change for critics of the Church's clerical abuses, the harder the Church reaches out to find new classes of potential victims neglected by society and desperately in need. Until we understand the way that the beast operates, it will be difficult to reform or replace it.
http://open.salon.com/blog/the_shadow_of_light/2011/05/17/organized_begging_doing_very_well_by_doing_good_for_a_few
@Patricia,
You're not sure what I'm talking about?

It is exactly that willful ignorance of reality that allows the Catholic church to continue to fill its coffers.
I "love, love, love" this. They are a disgrace and liars. This has been going on since they opened shop.