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NOVEMBER 8, 2011 11:41AM

Give and Take

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Sometimes you are the giver and sometimes you are the taker, I tell my daughter on the phone. But you can never be just one, because the relationship will die.  We are talking about friendships, she and I. At twenty, she is figuring out friendships just as I am, even though I am more than twice her age. She is also figuring out relationships and I tell her the advice works for those too.  

The best advice I ever got about friendship was ironically, from a woman who had no close friends. My mother's heart had closed from chronic disappointment.  She preferred not to take the risk.

Leave room, was her wise advice. Leave room to be surprised and leave room to be disappointed by people. Because they will do both.  Throughout my life, I have taken her words to heart. At times I am so enamored of someone, I don't see their faults or shortcomings until I get hurt. Then I remember to leave room. 

Then there are the ones I expect nothing from. And one day, something comes in the mail, or something is said in a phone conversation. I am pleasantly surprised, and again I leave room.

People will both surprise you and disappoint you, so leave room, I  hear myself tell my daughter. I am telling her how it is. But I am also reminding myself.

I wondered why my mother only took half of her own advice. Once anyone disappointed her, they never got a second chance. I've been tempted to do the same. Especially when I was young. Now I try to salvage where I can. Forgive when I can.

It has a Buddhist feel to it, this advice of hers. Don't become so attached to who you think the person is, or what he will do. Just leave room to let them be who they are. 

Sometimes you don't get back what you give, and sometimes you are the one who has nothing to give.

I tell my daughter, leave room.

 

 

 

 

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This makes me think of how I handle disappointment. I have a strong tendency to forgive and forget, but then I get hurt again. I think it is deep in my core to let myself heal and move forward. As I get older I realize that I need to protect myself too and leave the room!
I know it is true, and it should be given as advice,
but only if our moms were not right!
Mine too: heart closed off.
"... from chronic disappointment.
She preferred not to take the risk..."

There ARE gonna be people who , with diligent patience,
alot of forgiveness, and above all a sense of the absurdity of
life,
can be cultivated like flowers.
So few and far between.
I like that advice, actually.

D
I think these are very wise words. I tend to have acquaintances but few friends. -R-
That concept of leaving room is important. Thank you for telling us this story.
that is excellent advice
I like this. I hold most people at arms length because, I tend to expect too much. Thus setting them up for failure in my eyes. I really like this advice.r
Friendships are fluid and dynamic, just like relationships are. I find myself unwilling to make the investment anymore because the disappointment seems almost inevitable and more and more unbearable. Leaving room, for me, has been a protective tactic.

Lezlie
I had a long talk with one of my students yesterday. She was upset because her friends never lived up to her expectations. It was a long, difficult conversation, and I felt as if she wanted counsel. I guess it's a good thing that we are getting older, Joan, so that we may offer our "wisdom" to the younger generation.
Excellent advice - especially with family.

R
You are a good and a wise mother, passing on such wisdom to your daughter. Relationships are fluid things, they ebb and flow. It's too bad your own mother couldn't take her own advice; she might have been pleasantly surprised.
Pearls of wisdom both to absorb and to pass on. Sounds like you did your daughter a kindness that will see her through the years, Joanie.
a lesson i still struggle with...rated
Joan,you are so wise.It's a blessing to read your comment.
And you have had a wise mother.I can see three generations of women,handing the wisdom down to the next generations.
I will remember this because it is a special kind of wisdom I have never heard.In a way,I can even understand your mother.
But,as you say:It is also good to give people a second chance.
We all learn from our faults,don't we?
Thank you for this lovely piece of wisdom.
Love is being handed down in families,too.
I like the thought about the Buddhism.
Rated!
Man, perfect timing for me to read this today. Thanks.
Low expectations = a low disappointment rate. True, but is that any way to live? Like everything else, it's all about balance. Funny I should say that when I'm constantly teetering off kilter. I hope I will be blessed with many such conversations with my soon-to-be-grownup daughter.
Food for thought. My usual comment to my wife and kids is "Expect nothing - that way you won't be disappointed." But perhaps that is too cynical. I will try the "leave room" technique next time.
I just put Leave Room on a post-it on my computer - as a reminder - this is truly the best advice you could give anyone.
Excellent advice. Very wise words indeed.
It takes a wise person to recognize good advice regardless of its source. Well done on all counts, Joanie. I would do well to remember this advice myself, so thanks for that too.
Brilliant advice. And there is something so beautiful about you handing it down from your mother, to your daughter. The wisdom of the generations.
There is this poem I never know who to attribute it to that states:

"People come into your life for a reason, a season, or a lifetime. When you figure out which it is, you will know exactly what to do."

I always liked this way of looking at things. Not so much disappointment then.
excellent and thought provoking. my freshman year roommate and i discuss this a lot. what is a friend. is it lifelong? does it change? i don't know the answers but your mom had good advice. my mom said to have a friend you need to be one. also good advice.
Great advice and very true.
My favorite line from The Philadelphia Story: "The time to make up your mind about people is never."
I like your advice. Just one thing to add -- remember it's your life -- not somebody else's. You don't have to meet their expectations, just aim for your own.
I love this advice Joan, but I have a hard time living it. I too suffer from chronic disappointment. I seldom find myself able to take the chance anymore. I want to, but just don't seem able to take that first step. Thanks for the post.
people do change. I don't expect to change them but we all have free will. It is wise to leave room.
Thank you every one for reading and commenting.
@desert_rat, your comment struck a chord in me. I don't find this easy to do either. I'm still trying to figure out friendships at my age, in spite of what I can tell my daughter. What motivates me is the fear of becoming like my mother: perpetually disappointed, bitter, and alone...
That's a model of what I never want to become. I appreciate your honesty and understand where you are coming from.
well written.

Soemone I knew once was fond of pointing out that in one's life you were connected to two types of people; friends and acquaintnances. Ever since I've often tried to apply this in an attempt to sort out which is which among gthe people I know. It might just be me, but I find far more people listed under the latter than the former.

For me I think it works to set the bar pretty high to qualify someone as a friend because this type of relationship requires different levels of commitment and should embrace the concept of reciprocation. You can still draw immense pleasure from acquaintenances in life touched with all sorts of human emotion, we must just keep in mind that to your point, the bar is set lower to properly adjust for the surprises and pains that will nearly always accompany these relationships where in the end it is you that must absorb some or all of any negative impact.
I agree. Leave room, because you never know who you'll meet tomorrow.
And leave room, because you never know what you might face next - from yourself or others. Life will always keep changing and offering up surprises, pleasure, and disappointments.
Leave Room.

I'd never really thought about it like that, so in my mind, I will think of those words handed down from your mother. Navigating the realm of friendship requires flexibility, and at times, rethinking old opinions. I've changed so much myself, I now "leave room" to consider how others change too. Geez, this already fits. Thanks, Joanie.
Extremely excellent advice. So sad that she didn't take it, especially with her own family.
Very timely! Your wonderful advice could also apply to OS: "leave blog"

: D

(We all must take a break from time to time, need to recharge our batteries!)
Especially true with family. Stay quiet a bit, give it time, easier with a sister or brother you don't live with. Wish I were better at that with my husband...
Your mother did have her flaws, but this is one piece of advice I wish I had been given, oh say....forty years ago! Lovely post, Joanie:)
Another lovely Joan H. post, and a comment stream full of good words. For years, on my fridge is the Confucius saying about expectations being planned disappointments. He must have been old when he said that. We grow older as you said, and we learn.
Too much going on, but R with thanks.
Joan, you've packed such wisdom, and family history, into such a brief and dear reflection. I find myself, unexpectedly, near tears as I read this, I identify with it so strongly. There's a beautiful current of redemption in this, that words can live on to bless and grace new generations, that we, the children of flawed parents, benefit from those lingering words as we pass them on to our children who, too, will benefit despite our flaws.
Stim, in his three year blogiversary post, made a similar point about lowered expectations. I think it's a wise policy. If you get too wedded to what someone can or can't or ought not or must do, you'll too often wind up confounded or disappointed.
Funny you should post this now. I got a text message from a friend today, who asked: "why do you keep me at arm's length?" I told him something similar to what you told your daughter, but not nearly as eloquently. Good things to think about.
Beautiful. I never thought of it that way.....
I'm going to remember this, Joan. Leave room.
Loved this Joan. Wise and cautionary words to share with your daughter. "Leave room" is the acceptance that we don't know it all, there's a humility to it. As for "givers" and "takers" there seems to be a magnetic pull there and we would all be wise to search our hearts to see where we stand on the continuum. Your writing, as usual, teaches in the gentlest of ways. Thank you!
Why should I be surprised you'd give me perfect wisdom today? Thank you, sister mine.
Thank you everyone for reading and commenting.

@Snippy, your comment puts a lump in my throat as I am trying to drink my morning coffee. God, I love the word "redemption." xo

@Abrawang, I used to think it was about lowering expectations, but I think it is actually striving for the place where there are no expectations. Just acknowledging that people will disappoint and delight so make room for both. Don't idolize them, don't demonize them, is how it's coming to me this morning... :)
As much as your mother's heart was closed by disappointment; yours, Joan, is open to possibilities. With possibilities comes hope and a belief in tomorrow.

A lovely post, Joan.

Good morning too, Joan. : )
LOTS of room. Lots & lots.
I really needed to read this today thank you.
~r~
Your mother sounds very much like my grandmother. She always said the same, just in a different way. She, too, had few, if any friends and I am much the same way. R
I doubt if the Buddha could have said it any better.
God, I love that. I really needed to hear that right now, in a big, big way.

Thanks, Joan.
r
Good advice Joan, leaving room leads to easier acceptance of failures in friendship, life etc. I personally feel it helps open the heart to possibilities, while keeping the eyes wide open.
Great advice, Joan. Relationships need room to change. Sometimes they grow stronger and sometimes they simply fade away, and it's okay to let them go without rancor when that happens - say, when a job ends and it seems the friendships were mostly built upon convenience, or when one friend changes significantly in a way that you cannot endorse. That doesn't mean the times you had were fake or unimportant, or that there won't come a time when you'll be happy to see one another again and catch up.
I like that advice.
Your daughter is lucky to hear it from someone who loves her so much.
Interesting and excellent advice. I just had this conversation with someone. It's hard for people to accept that there is no such thing as a 50/50 relationship. They are 45/55, 60/40. Sometimes they are 99/1. There's a problem when the low denomination always belongs to you.
Thanks, Fay. You're right. The 99/1 ratio will fail.
You nailed this for me...I am going to pipe down and let the melody flow before I do or say anything.