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APRIL 9, 2009 11:49PM

One of the worst things I've seen

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This post might just be therapy. Excuse me if it is.

I had a great late-afternoon at the ballpark, my San Francisco Giants v. the Milwaukee Brewers in a strange 4 pm start. I left work early and took my daughter Nora, who's home for Easter. She left in the 7th inning to have dinner with Dad, and I went down to visit my friend Tony, who has seats, literally, in the first row behind the on-deck circle. There was no extra seat there, so the ushers let us move to some empty seats to our left, first row, right behind home plate.  Tony's wife called to say we were on TV. Good times! Brand new pitcher Joe Martinez was closing out the game -- we love Joe Martinez, we saw him pitch out of a few jams in Spring Training last month, he jumped straight up from Double-A ball, and he got the win on Opening Day -- and it was quickly two outs, two strikes, Giants up 7-1, Mike Cameron at the plate.

Then Cameron whacked the ball right back at Martinez, hit him in the head, and the ball ricocheted directly back at us. We were in no danger, safe behind the big screen; I only add that detail because I think it magnified the shock and the sickening thwack of the ball off Martinez's head. I can still hear it, and I wish I couldn't. Martinez  took a few steps,  then went down to his knees, bleeding from his temple and his nose. Benjie Molina looked like he didn't know whether to chase the ball or rush out to Martinez, and Cameron wasn't running for a while either.  Trainers and coaching staff ran out to Martinez; Molina just walked around home plate looking like he'd cry; I think Cameron was in tears crouching at second base, with Giants players coming over to comfort him -- including left-fielder Fred Lewis, who hit a line drive that fractured an opposing pitcher's skull in the minor leagues -- while Brandon Fedders warmed up to take Martinez's plate.

Cameron collided with former Mets teammate Carlos Beltran a few years ago and wound up with a serious concussion, which he was no doubt reliving today. Almost as much as Martinez, my heart goes out to Cameron. I'm haunted by Mark Benjamin's great reporting about the prevalence, and undertreatment, of PTSD in the military, and I don't want to trivialize war by comparing it to baseball, but looking at Cameron you had to see a kind of PTSD in his reaction. After the game, longtime Giants announcer and former pitcher Mike Krukow talked about the time he took a ball off his forehead, and how long he relived the experience, and the normally goofy Krukow sounded like he was never entirely the same, either.

Martinez walked off the field, thank God, and was reported to be alert after the game, but heading for a CTscan and MRI. After catcher Mike Metheny's set of career-ending concussions a few years back, the Giants are very careful about head injuries, and nobody could have seen what happened and not thought about the death of Natasha Richardson after a trivial-seeming head injury last month. Coming the same day as the death of Angels pitcher Nick Adenhart, 22, in a traffic accident, it made an already sad day for baseball a little bit worse.  But the way both teams comforted one another's most devastated players out there on the field was a comfort, the best of baseball.  So prayers and all good thoughts for Joe Martinez and Mike Cameron tonight.  I hope to see Martinez back on the mound soon.

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yikes! what a thing to see up close and personal! people forget how dangerous baseball can be... fast recovery for jm!
I hope Martinez is okay, and doesn't suffer any long term effects. That's a crappy way to start your career. Hopefully he'll bounce back.

I remember the Cameron/Beltran collision. That was bad, and I'm sure you're right that it left an impression on Cameron, as well as Beltran. Cameron's a hell of an outfielder, and I was bummed when the Mets traded him.
Man, I hope he has a full recovery. Head injuries are funny things, sometimes with effects that don't manifest for awhile.

I love playing and watching sports. This kind of thing always seems shocking, even though the games involve people and objects moving very fast. And you're right, it's the sound of the impact or the fracture that strikes you most viscerally.
I'm sorry you had to witness this and even sorrier that it happened.
There were two reasons I gave up Little League. One, I wasn't at all very good; the second is that I magnetically attract the damned things. After enough whelpings on schoolyard diamonds, I obeyed nature and got the hell out of there. Twenty years later, I was cutting through a park, by a diamond. A blur missed my head by about six inches, and continued on to punch a precise hole in the windshield of a parked Chevy truck. Yes, I appreciate this gentleman's experience. Boy howdy, I do~
And a new pitcher, too. Poor Joe will be seeing line drives to the head every time a batter connects.

Here's hoping he recovers quickly and can continue to pitch with confidence.
Oh my. A wonderful retelling of a horrific scene, Joan. I'm not sure I can keep myself from tuning into tonight's sports highlight shows to see it myself, but I want to. Keep myself from tuning in, that is.

When I was 10 I was pitching to my dad and he lined one right back to me that got me in the head. I can still see the agonized look on his face as he dropped the bat and started running toward me even before the ball found its mark. I never pitched again after that.

All prayers for Mike Cameron and Joe Martinez, for sure.
Glad I didn't see this one. And so sad about Adenhart. Baseball is so wonderfully focused and can take you away from your own worries for awhile, but when something like this happens you come right back to reality and everyone becomes mortal again. I always find it very moving when the ballplayers all gather in support, much the way they did at Candlestick after the earthquake in '89. All of a sudden everyone is very human and connected and rivalries are temporarily put on hold. Hope Martinez is okay and back on the field soon. (And not just because we need good pitching!)
Yes, shaggylocks, that's exactly what I fear. I do believe that because of their vigilance in watching him -- and if he needs it, treating him -- Martinez will be fine, or at least I have some reason to hope that. It's less clear how you recover your confidence. cindy and MTN, yes, you really forget the danger most of the time. MJwycha, I'm sure you miss Cameron; I've always liked him.

Thanks, everybody, for participating in my therapy. I sit with Tony once or twice a year and always feel blessed to be there; I mean, you really see the patterns on the dirt around the batter's box and the dirt on the players' pants. It's breathtaking. I could see how furious J.J. Hardy was when Martinez struck him out right before Cameron came up. I'll need to get my confidence back, too, in order to sit there again -- but I will! Kidding, sort of.
Lonnie, I actually thought about Lofton after it happened, and your pride in his pitching. That's a moving story about your dad, I can see it. If you watch, cover your eyes when they show it. That's what I'm doing, but I can't not watch, at least for news. And yes, suzie, I'm taking in the Adenhart coverage, which is also hard to watch.
Oh, Joan, I just watched this on youtube. How awful. It's sobering, isn't it, to see something like that up close? Life is so fragile. God, it could be gone in a second. Not sure if you've looked at it again, but it's really poignant to see the scared/prayerful faces of the other players. Everybody was clearly shook up.

(This reminded me of what it might have felt/looked like with my relative, Ray Chapman, a Cleveland Indian who was hit by a pitch at Yankee Stadium in 1920 and killed instantly. *shiver*)
Two words for you: Herb Score

If that name doesn't ring a bell, go here:

Herb Score
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It's one of those awful possibilities that lurk in the sunshine, hidden in plain sight, waiting to waylay the ernest, the innocent, and involve everyone. Not something I'd wish anyone might witness. I'm sorry you had to. I'm sorry this happened -- again. It's happened before. I cringe. I also hold good thoughts for Martinez and of course Cameron, and really for everyone. Thanks for sharing this with us. It's therapeutic for many of us, informative for others. Hard to be a witness to something like this. Take good care of you.
Lainey, how awful about your relative! Tom, I hadn't heard about Herb Score til the post-game show; AJC, thank you.
As you know, writing is cathartic. This sounds like an incredibly intense experience being so close to Martinez. Witnessing and hearing that kind of trauma, it just keeps replaying over and over in your mind. Hopefully writing about this is helping you process it. The scariest thing about the story is the possibility of a closed head injury, an injury that is difficult to treat.
My god woman you have a mind for the facts, and a mind for reality, and its fearsomeness.
I just watched the video, partly to see you in the front row behind home plate.
Wow, that is just not supposed to happen. I hope he's OK.
I hope he's okay. But I still don't think it's as horrific as seeing Rudy Giuliani in drag. People still have nightmares about that. Buying extra locks on the door or getting new security systems. It's a scary world.
Thanks, jimgalt, just when I was thinking I was ready to go to sleep, you remind me about Giuliani in drag. Where's the Ambien?

Nora came home and we watched back to back episodes of Millionaire Matchmaker. Trash TV is soothing.

Thanks everyone -- shaggylocks, I must be feeling better, because I had to ask -- am I in the video? When my friend's wife called to say she saw us on TV my first thought was I was wearing no makeup and dressed like hell. The depths of my shallowness are infinite.

Warm thoughts for Martinez, Cameron and everyone here. Thanks!
Joan - think about this. In the long history of the game it hasn't been that long that batters have had to wear helmets, only since the late fifties. There have been several career ending injuries but amazingly only one player, Ray Chapman of Cleveland in 1920, has ever been killed.
In the end all these stadium sports are for the thrill of the fans. We can say that we are there to cheer "our team" to victory, but we really want a very close and hotly contested game. Oops, not me, you, because I wouldn't give a flying rat's ass about any of the teams doing whatever they do.

Who gives a shit? Not me, not any of my friends. I don't understand the whole pro athlete thing.
Joan, I understand that you are a big baseball fan, and I didn't mean to sound condescending, but nonetheless when it comes right down to it, and of course in the long run and the big picture, there is really no logical choice but to see how we fit in as the showers spray....

It's so very hard to understand anything.

I just want to scream and then go to ... someplace I won't be recognized.

I want to open a place where we insult the a-listers on purpose, like when they check in you toss them a key and a map and tell the to dine their own fucking room.

How's that for starters.
Sports injuries feel expecially devastating because everyone's so pumped up already and then - pow! - it's so unexpected. Give us an update - how's Martinez?
Sorry Joan, I think my own head was hit with baseballs because I don't understand what I have written here. I'm going to blame it on the wine I bought on sale at Rite Aid. Yes, things have gotten pretty desperate, and it's not the first time that this has happened. I have bought lots of wine at Rite Aid. This is just the first time I've been caught. Okay?!!

Does you feel better, nice and superior now?

Sorry Joan, got off track, wasn't sure who I was blogging to for a moment there. Just a brief moment, but then I remembered, and I have to tell you, you probably don't want to hear this but I'd be doing you a disservice after all these years. The fact is, from what I've heard, they're only keeping you around till that big wedding shebang goes off. After that, you're toast.

You're only hope is to keep this romance between you and the Freaky Troll alive and burning as long as possible.

It's not just about you. In the end FReaky is keeping us all in clover here, but that could all change in a New York minute.

Oy Vey.
Can't imagine how you felt, seeing it up close. So sorry you witnessed this. How horrendous it must have been to not only see the hit but, to hear it also. I'm hoping Martinez has a speedy recovery and is back on the mound soon. Poor Cameron must have been beside himself.

There's nothing like the thrill of baseball and I love the game but, plays such as this are just too scary and sobering. We can do without that!
My goodness, those baseballs are lethal weapons at that speed. Plus an injury to the head. Such a shame. At least you know he's getting the best medical care possible.

We're all just human bodies in the end, vulnerable and susceptible.
Many years ago, one of my favorite pitchers, fast-balling, young, possible future Hall of Famer, Herb Score was pitching against the Yankees. He threw so hard, if anyone made contact, which was rare, it would not take much for the ball to fly out of the park, except very few even hit the ball out of the infield.

On that fateful day, as the Yankees played the Indians, Score threw a fast ball which Gil MacDougal lined back hitting him in the eye. It was the virtual end of the career of a fellow who so early in that career set a strike out record. Lord knows how many more records he would have set. In addition to his fast-ball speed, he gave up fewest hits per 9 innings per season, What a shame, just as it is a shame that Nick Adenhart, 22 years old who'd just pitched 6 shut-out innings died when the car in which he was riding home from that game was hit by a drunk driver. It brought tears to my eyes.

I shall never forget that MacDougal at bat. In fact, his career also faded afterwards. Prayesr for all. Score died recently.
This is why I hold my breath when my kids play sports...
Wow. Let's hope all is well with both pitcher and batter. Great story Joan. At least Nora left the game in time to miss it.
Ugh. Just the thought of the sound just gives me the shudders and the willies. There are some horrible sounds to hear - the sound of metal crunching in an accident, the sound of a tornado nearing and the sound of something making impact with a human head.

I was shopping with a friend of mine one time when I passed out on the floor. Rather than crumpling up in a heap, I slammed my head on the tiled floor. According to my friend, a large portion of the mall went silent and then gasped after they heard my head make contact. (I'm fine...I think ;-)

Here's hoping Martinez makes a quick recovery. I'm sure he's got one hell of a headache today.
There is something especially horrifying about the young and the athletic and the beautiful suffering and dying. It makes mortality all that more clear to us.
Of course, as a football fan I've seen plenty of those kinds of hits, the ones that cross the line between us standing and cheering the ground shattering collision and gasping with cupped hands over our mouths when the player goes to the ground limp.

I'll never forget the Joe Theisman hit when his leg snapped. I hope those two players bounce back.
Joan,
I can imagine how you feel. My eldest daughter plays goalie on a soccer team, and when she goes down, my heart stops. I wrote a few weeks ago about going to a hockey game and watching a player get badly injured and the home crowd heckling him as he was laying motionless on the ice. Infuriating.
When I used to write about sports, I know that one of the things pitchers worked over and over again on was the "comeback" the ball hit directly back at you that could hurt you. I'm so sorry that it came back at him so fast he couldn't get out of the way. I'm sorry you saw it, and I'm grateful your daughter missed it. I'll keep him in my thoughts.
Thanks for showing us your vulnerable side.
Two years ago my seven year old son was hit in the stomach by a line drive foul ball at a minor league game. We were sitting just outside of the protective net. It knocked him out for about 10 seconds, mainly from having the air knocked out of him and the shock of the impact. I often think how lucky we were that it did not hit 15 inches higher. Very scary.
Ouch! I hope Mr. Martinez is back on the mound soon. The Adenhart death is absolutely tragic. He died right after giving what I heard was a great performance, 6 shut-out innings in his major league debut.
And what about that other baseball player dying in a car crash? Heartbreaking!
This is terrible, and everyone knows that the pitcher may never be the same even if he makes a complete physical recovery. Coming the same day as the shocking death of Adenhart, this episode takes the joy out of a day at the ballpark. I'll watch for news of Martinez' progress.
My neighborhood boyhood friend, Bobby Williams, was a tremendous catcher who signed a big contract out of Washington State University. He was at AAA batting cleanup and took a beanball to the head. My son's current pitching coach , a lefthander with a 90+ miles per hour fastball took a line drive to his face off an aluminum bat that ended his college career. Thank goodness the pros don't use aluminum bats or there would be several deaths each year.
I always think of baseball as being "safe" as compared to football...very scary.
One of the worst I've seen (was at the park, but nowhere as close as your seat) was Bryce Florie of the Red Sox getting his eye socket shattered by a comebacker. He tried to pitch again but never made it back. Hope Martinez' injuries aren't as bad. What a horrible couple of days for baseball.
I hadn't heard about this and I didn't watch the highlight, because it sounds too awful. Getting hit by a ball is a pitcher's worst nightmare, I imagine. They're only 60'6" away from home plate and it's difficult to get from the pitching motion to a fielding stance in enough time to handle a line drive. Usually it's pure reflexes (or survival instinct) when a pitcher catches a line drive. I hope Martinez is OK and I hope Cameron's not too damaged.
Yup. Any time we get pissed at some callow young punk making millions and not caring enough yada yada... it's good to remember that although we don't quite have them hack at each other with sharp weapons anymore, or fight the Munera Sien Mission - we still have gladiators out there, risking life and limb to entertain us... And I already miss the NFL. (wry grin)
That's terrible! I hope that Martinez comes back after a good break for recovery. Baseball is a sport where we never really expect to see such things, even though they happen.


But I'd like to say that you should never make Combat PTSD the only PTSD that can be talked about. There are many things in life that lead to the condition, and many people in this world who suffer from PTSD in various levels of severity.
I'm glad the pitcher was okay - maybe this was some sort of cosmic payback for all of the batters that have been beaned over the years.
Sounds like he will be okay. I have often wondered why pitchers don't wear some type of helmet or protective head gear, nothing fancy but effective. Head injuries in all sports is extremely serious. Thru the years the batters helmet have improved greatly. I imagine that the crotch cups have also. Baseball can be a maximum contact sport if played aggressively and it ususally is. I believe all baserunners, infield players, batters, umpires, and on-the-field coaches (1st base & 3rd base), should be required to wear some type of protective headgear. What is the downside of this? It doesn't appear manly or intimidating? The family members would surely approve of the extra protection. Any liability issues for the owners? The fans are protected behind the plate with the various mesh material used in ballparks, so why not at least the pitchers?
Food for thought..
Rated & Cheers!
Mat Keogh was struck by a career ending line drive ... anyone who watches the real housewives of orange county has seen what it did for his personality ...it turned him into a a-hole for sure
Amazing. Hope all will be well. I know that had to be so scary. As I was reading the only thing I kept thinking about was Natasha Richardson and the time I was hit in the head from a softball throw, I was catcher and it landed right at the top of my head giving me a mild concussion.
Joan:

Sorry you had to witness that come-backer from the front row.

I hope this does not come off callous, but I think there is a lesson in this accident. More and more pitchers are throwing with bad form that leaves them open to injury.

Here's what I mean: Mike Mussina and Greg Maddux are about the only two pitchers I can think of who finish their motion properly. When you're a young Little Leaguer, coaches, or at least good coaches, always say you should finish your motion squared to the plate with your hands in front of you. That's because a ball can be hit back at you--your body and hands need to be properly positioned so you can react.

I did not pay close attention to Martinez's motion, but many major-league pitchers are finishing by falling off to one side of the mound, leaving them vulnerable.

I hope that all young pitchers watched this closely. Mussina and Maddux didn't win all those Gold Gloves for anything. Their good defense often meant they were the best at protecting themselves.
-AB
The most dangerous situation in baseball. I saw something similar at a Sox game against the Tigers and my stomach flipped. Until the guy gets up, it's sheer horror.
I've almost been there. I was pitching, and someone smoked one of my pitches right back at me. Only the ball came right at not my face, but a part of the anatomy where it would have hurt even more.

I don't remember seeing the ball, I don't remember anything, but somehow, I managed to get my glove down and caught it.

I caught the ball about half an inch away from my crotch.

Yes, I was wearing a cup. But that wouldn't have done much good.

They train batters to hit the ball back up the middle. Guess who is in the way if they do that? Yup, a human being who is probably about 55 feet away after he's finished with his delivery.

Drill a ball back at him at 90 mph and he's got virtually no time to react. It's all reflexes and luck at that point.
It's a sad day in our neighborhood too
The Angels' pitcher Nick Adenhart died.
He was a local Hagerstown, Marylander.
He died in an automobile accident in Cal.
The tragedy was just hours after he pitched.
What grief! Nick was killed in an automobile.
Williamsport high school is just six miles away.
He died moments after making a debut with the Los Angelos, Angels. He was the top-ranked hopeful rookie, said, Baseball America.
Sad. Very.
~
The Orioles ump has a compulsion?
I never go to the games never never.
Thee ump sweeps the plate all night.
Peter Angelos is the crooked lawyer?
He owns the Baltimore Orioles team.
~
Back to a tragic death of a local youth...
Condolences to the Adenhart family.
Sincerest condolences. What a grief.
Nick's father flew to yesterday's game.
Nick died after the ball game was over.
Sad news spreads fast around the area.
Nick Adenhart was a local 22 year old.
Mourning. This is rural farm boy area.
It's sad news. Again. My condolences.
Arthur James, my heart goes out to you and all Nick Adenhart fans, but especially to his parents. We had a moment of silence for Nick before the game yesterday, my daughter hadn't heard about his death until then, she was so sad. And then when Martinez was hit, it was all I could think of.

Writer Adam, I don't think there's anything wrong with what you said. I would love to see drills to help pitchers handle line drives back at them, if there aren't some already. I had to wonder if jumping from Double-A to the majors might have cut out some of Martinez's prep time. And sure, we could develop head-gear, but would they wear it?

zumalicious, you're right, I would never make combat PTSD the only PTSD. And thanks to people who were sympathetic about my own trauma at having seen it. I minimize that, but it did remind me that I saw someone shot at close range once, standing in line outside a skeezy bar in my 20s. I have to admit this brought that back too.

Yes, jimmymac, I was sick to my stomach all last night. But I'll go home and watch tonight.
I re read my comment and left this out: It is amazing that you were able to observe the shock and to understand what the players were going through. commendations, not complaints, here.
Watching it on SportsCenter was bad enough. My father got hit in the temple with a fastball playing at a time when there were no temple protectors. He was unconscious for quite some time and had a major concussion. I wonder at times if this contributed at all to his Alzheimer's. I have had three grade three or above concussions in my life. I have talked to pitchers who have been hit with line drives as badly as Martinez and they tell me it changes them forever. Mike Cameron will be the same way for some time.
As my dad told me you have to get back on the horse and ride. Ball players are tough people, but they are human. Whether they get hit by the ball or hit the ball that hits the man. I feel terrible for both guys.
zumalicious, I didn't read anything critical in your post! Kind of Blue, I really did feel the trauma to Cameron and Martinez was completely comparable, my heart is with both.

In case anyone miss the latest, Martinez did have hairline skull fractures but everyone's saying he will be fine. They are keeping him in the hospital another few days, which relieves me.

I really, really, really want to see him pitch again.

Giants down 4-2 v. the Padres, btw. I am very very invested in this team now; interesting outcome.
tigers eye, love that album
i still love to catch a fast ball in a great mitt
however these players head injuries sound devastating
maybe a small fetus used in stem cell research can replace anything that used to be irreputable
what do you think about that?
Hey, Joan, I figured I'd just say this to you:

The Padres are in first place! The Padres are in first place! The Padres are in first place!

Not going to be able to say that for much longer.
Wow, Joan! That's unbelievable to see it close up and all. It's like baseball history was unfolding right before your eyes. Great post! But I feel for you, being right on top of the incident like that! Make sure you work that through.
Rated
While getting hit by a ball is a know hazard of playing baseball it doesn't make it any easier when it happens.

There have been lots of careers that have ended by not being able to return to the field after getting hit by a ball, and I'm not just talking about pitchers. Batters who did the damage all the way the 1st base coach to the 3rd base coach and around have been hit and left the game.
Saw your post minutes before taking my fourteen year old son for baseball tryouts....and he likes to pitch. It's ironic because I always cross my fingers that our son does NOT make the "A" team -- precisely because of my fear of what you witnessed. When he was younger there was a big controversy about continuing a RIF ball league (Reduced Injury Factor baseballs). We prevailed by a hair. I liken the baseball to a flying rock.
Line shots of this velocity are statiscally impossible, well, until they're not, Joan.
SF Giants website has, "Martinez on 15 Day DL ...." The voice over
saying, "...less than 1/10th of a second to react..."
Joe Martinez nearly gloved that ball; the motion of a champion!
Your eyewitness telling of opening day is appreciated; the way you change the up beat frivolity and tranquility of an afternoon to the gasp --- the adroit discard of all but humanistic helplessness --- and
yet Joe Martenez balances to his feet. Beautiful, spiritual.
Being a Met fan, I sure remember the collision with Beltran. Mike Cameron got the worst of it but I've always liked him. It shows how fragile we all are and in any given moment our lives could change in an instant. I hope Martinez is back pitching soon.
It was going to be a comment, but (gee, who'd have guessed), I had more to say. This is for you, Joan: Joan's Worried About Joe, Joe's Worried About the Show.
As a child, I got smacked square in the face by a hardball baseball pitched by one of the Little League Dads who didn't seem to realize he was pitching to kids and not in the Major League. The impact broke my nose which wasn't realized at the time. Several years later I had to have surgery to "rebreak" my nose and set it correctly. I also shattered one of my adult teeth that was still above the gumline. The tooth didn't come down when I lost the baby tooth so they had to perform oral surgery to place it. The tooth was malformed and as an adult I had to have it crowned.

I can only imagine how much faster that baseball was traveling that hit Martinez and the sickening sound it made as it hit. I hope everyone involved heals quickly with no unknown injuries lurking beneath the surface to haunt them later.
My prayers are going out to Martinez and Cameron. (They were already going out to Nick Adenhart, his family and his team.) I thought getting hit in the face with a fly ball during baseball practice was bad. I can't imagine, with how fast a ball travels when it's hit in a straight line by a major leaguer, how Joe Martinez feels. I certainly hope he heals very quickly, not just physically, but mentally and emotionally as well.
I know how traumatic such an experience can be.

Once when I was working as a bartender in Hawaii, two men stood at my bar, directly in front of me, having a quiet conversation. Without warning, the haole raised a Corona bottle and cracked it into the face of the smaller Filipino man. I saw blood and the Filipino man slip out of view below the bar, and I found myself unable to stop screaming (until my manager grabbed hold of boy of my shoulders, shook them and ordered me to get a hold of myself) from the sudden violence.
Joan, speaking of "head gear and will they wear it..."
Do you have another hat?
Cheers!