What IS too hot for Facebook? Evidently, ME!(Nudity Warning)
Warning: Contains graphic nudity and blatant displays of lactation behavior
Yesterday, MaryTKelly did a spectacular piece about young women being generally unladylike on Facebook. If Facebook is the new place to debase yourself as a woman and a repository for porn, it begs the question, what IS too offensive to post on Facebook?
I am.
Yes, I am too vulgar, too obscene and too nasty for Facebook.
Why?
Here’s one photo:
This one isn’t so bad. My face isn’t showing, my nipples aren’t showing, it’s tasteful.
Is it somehow more tasteful than this one?
Here, I dare to show my face and, if you blow it up really large, you can see the tiniest trace of areola around the baby’s mouth. (!)
In the past, Facebook has accepted advertising from topless models, shown millions (I’m not exaggerating) of photos of young women topless in thongs and bikinis and you can see thousands of couples in various stages of… we’ll call it “lovemaking”.
From the UK Times Online:
Barry Schnitt, a Facebook spokesman, said the website takes no action over most breast-feeding photos because they follow the site's terms of use.
"We agree that breast-feeding is natural and beautiful and we're very glad to know that it is so important to some mothers to share this experience with others on Facebook.'' But, he added, some photos were removed to ensure the site remains safe and secure for all users, including children.
"Photos containing a fully exposed breast - as defined by showing the nipple or areola - do violate those terms on obscene, pornographic or sexually explicit material and may be removed," he said in a statement. "The photos we act upon are almost exclusively brought to our attention by other users who complain."
Let’s take a close look at the Facebook terms of service:
In addition, you agree not to use the Service or the Site to…upload, post, transmit, share, store or otherwise make available any content that we deem to be harmful, threatening, unlawful, defamatory, infringing, abusive, inflammatory, harassing, vulgar, obscene, fraudulent, invasive of privacy or publicity rights, hateful, or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable;
I didn’t see the words “nipple” or “areola” in there, did you?
Thousands of women are posting their nursing photos to Facebook right now, protesting the categorization of breastfeeding as vulgar. I’m one of them and I’m proud of it.
You may be asking yourself why I would WANT to show my breasts to the world. In short, I am proud. There isn’t much in this world I feel like I’ve done right. I’ve never been published, finished college or won a Pulitzer. But, I did this RIGHT. I nursed my baby for the two years recommended by the World Health Organization. I wasn't able to do that with my other three children, so I certainly don't judge anyone who doesn't breastfeed.
The time I’ve spent actually connected with my son will be a memory I cherish for the rest of my life. Why post a photo of yourself at Disney World or the Grand Canyon? Probably because you want to show your friends and family where you have been and the great memory you experienced.
Why should an innocent photo of me nursing my baby be any different?
I am not someone brave enough to sit down and nurse at the mall or the grocery store. But, on my personal Facebook profile, if you don’t want to see my breasts, you don’t have to do so. I’m not forcing you.
Perhaps this would be easier to take if I wore a thong?


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Good on you for posting with the other women. I think that some men just got weaned too soon or just got the bottle...
Geoff - You made me snort coffee!
Blue - ::gigglesnort::
BBE - They can't delete them all. Mine are just a drop in the ocean.
AnnMarie - I'm such a rebel! I feel all dangerous and feminist!
I wish I could give this post two thumbs: one for each of the two kids that I breastfed for over two years.
This is an idiotic issue and FB would do well to back down pronto, as they did with their TOS.
Mary - I remember seeing one of your photos with your SmallGirlChild, first born if memory serves. I actually had that in mind when I did this.
Marple - That hair color doesn't occur naturally in nature. ;) You can see my natural (disturbingly blonde) hair color here.
Rated for areolas eveywhere!
Geoff - All done until bedtime. We're actually trying to quit. Maybe this post would have been better for addiction week.
I got tears. The sense of my capability at participating in new Life so exhilarated me. I was overcome with unspeakable, Joy. The gentle wonder, warmth, the wet baby, the moisture ... Then, I feel I must say this:` Vietnam, Viet Nam, Vietnam, war's pain ... in my gut, with no warning: `In my depth of belly ... nausea began to interrupt the amazing Feast...
It's not easy to explain...
I later had to stroll away.
I wandered toward the outdoor and wept. O happy tears, and the memory of premature war carnage. Death mingled with my sense of happy joys. Death. Life!
Thanks for sharing images.
I am misty eyed. Darn. Beauty.
You are so darn lovely, O mommy.
My Granddaughter says:`Pa Pa, it's okay to look, but not to stare too long.
To be breast fed, must be comparable to enjoying a peach scone with raw goat, goo yummy, latte? Sativa.
I mean:`If Ya the goat-geezer elders, Calm.
Arthur - As always... puzzling.
Odette - I don't show the goods for anything but the most special of occasions.
dynomyte - I do think that this issue is about more than breastfeeding. It's about blind morality instead of ethics. It's somehow better to show your breasts at a frat party because "that's what they are for". I'm no Nursing Nazi, but I think I should have the right to do this.
C - You don't have to ASK! :) Of course you can! Maybe that is what I should have named this piece... "Reducing my carbon footprint with my ta-tas."
Don't you know that tits aren't for kids?
(Lovely photos, gorgeous kid!)
I salute your right to show you breastfeeding your child. I have similar photos. Hell, I got so used to breast-feeding in public that I could walk down a grocery store aisle, a babe attached to the boob, pushing a shopping cart and grabbing stuff with my one free hand.
I did have a couple of problems. One guy asked me, "Can I be next?"
And I got kicked out of a museum in Washington DC by a security guard. I was breastfeeding my infant on a 100 degree day. I had stripped her down to her diaper, and we were walking around the coolness of the art museum, looking at artwork of nude women. The guard kicked me out. Why? I'm not making this up: BECAUSE MY INFANT WAS TOPLESS.
I knew what he was doing. I gave him an ass-whuppin' but I still got kicked out.
Yes. We have completely fucked up attitudes toward the female body.
Will we ever grow up?
Lorraine - The BigBoyChild once got cited for a sexual offense at school when he was FIVE YEARS OLD. He left the bathroom and his pants fell down because he forgot to zip up. When the kids laughed, he did it again just to make them laugh harder. (I don't know where he gets that.)
He was suspended for three days and has a "sexual offense" in his permanent record(!). He never even dropped his undies. Love it.
We are messed up beyond control in this country.
Note to the ed's: Put it on the cover. Go ahead. I double dog dare you.
Yes. Put also a dog-eared copy of 'Macbeth' ... huh ... Oy!
Puzzling? huh. My respect ... Life! ...
O. I visit used bookstore too... I eat peach scone there too?
And while I browse the cover of Lady Macbeth... I am happy.
Your little child is angelic. Breasts are how we fed our offspring for the entire history of mankind until about 50 years ago when a handful of envious doctors decided that they could make milk BETTER than the glands god gave us.
Idiots.
Elizabeth - Idiots, indeed.
new blog - If I wanted to simply show my breasts, I have plenty of other publishing options.
Hey, got an idea for you and other interested mama's! "Nude Lactating Mamas.com!" Tastefully done, of course. Etu Facebook!
Rated.
Sorry, I'll show myself out.
A Guinness.
Dang near frozen.
Out of a GLASS.
Mmm.... I miss Guinness.
Ooh! You were saying?
Ah, Facebook. Yes.
There are a lot more disturbing things out there than my (or anyone else's) nursing photos.
Mommies Gone Wild!!!
Woo hoo!
People are being raped and murdered and blown to bits all over the world and this is their contribution to make the world a better place? Give me a break. Breast of luck to you Jodi and breast feeding mothers everywhere. I'm 110% on your side.
xoxo
Michael - Dude, I KNOW I'm pale, okay? Sheesh.
(thanks for the support;) (!)
Mom - Naw... YOU!!!
That's okay.
I did a Snoopy Dance anyway.
I'm not proud.
That was going to be my suggestion lol.
I'm so tired of all the social networking site bullshit. I'm about to cancel every frakin account I've got.
Screw Em, honey. Lactate with pride! =)
What could be more natural?
Public breastfeeding makes me a little uncomfortable, but I don't think the police need to get involved. It irritates me that mom's have been arrested for breastfeeding.
That's it! Enough! Burquas for men...the only solution.
Oh, wait, isn't that what business suits are. Ties are their veils.
America, get over it.
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Happily, I never got harassed anywhere for breastfeeding, though I did make an effort to be discreet. Some people can be freaky-weird about this.
One of my children didn’t mind being weaned, the other cried for 2 days. I had a terrible cold at the time. Frankly, I think the fact that I didn’t want to give up the cold medicine gave me the strength to live with the crying... But after a couple of days she was fine. Good luck with the quittin!
Sorry the comments are getting away from me - I'm serving lunch.
SANDWICHES, people!
::sheesh!::
Forget Facebook.
I didn't need to take pictures of me nursing my son. I just loved feeding him. You are sharing your wonder.
I was just today doing the dishes and having some sensation and having first a flash of 'yay!' and then some melancholy sense of loss, and then I realized: I had felt that sudden tension in my breasts you get when you think of your child, and milk rushes in, and you feel that sweet anticipation of nursing--until my body realized, no, he's seven years old now. It's in the past..
So enjoy every minute of it darling.. milk that rack for all it's worth!
A woman would have decided to let it stand on it own. (basically understood it spiritually).
Keep fighting the good fight.
15 years (my son turns 15 tomorrow!!!!) after the experience, you made me go back to the days when I felt pure, unadulterated joy. I would wonder: is it possible to feel any happier than when you're nursing your baby and he or she looks up from under the breast and gurgles at you in complete surrender, rapture and thankfulness.
Love it!
Surely, a man with rippling pectoral muscles warrants some attraction but none we call profane. And the same should be said for women. We have puritanized the female breast, forced it behind a burka, turned it into a sought after voyeuristic pleasure.
We create this problem by continuing its mystere. I have glanced at bare breasts on the beach and found them attractive. I've done the same with faces, necklines, calves. When humans find others to be ugly, that's when we start having problems.
As I recall my studies of the christian mythology, Adma and Eve were completely naked in the Garden of Eden.
Oh my god, Jodi has breasts and is using them as nature intended, to feed a child! Reminds me of all the shock and subsequent outrage at the superbowl halftime when we all saw and realized for the first time, I guess, that Janet Jackson had black nipples on the end of her breasts.
Naked people have to be confined to colonies, the nudist type while men can go anywhere topless and women can't. This repression of our sexuality has been out of control, or under control, for fat too long.
Get a grip America, all women have breasts, even some men, and most of us have male or female genitals.
(and glandular amplitude)
I'm amazed at why breastfeeding is such a contentious issue for so many.
As someone once said, why is it that when a breast is actually being used for what it was made for, it's obscene, but when it's simply a sexual ornament, it's a good thing?
Could it be because the latter appeals to men, and the former isn't considered sexy? Or even reminds people of what breasts are actually meant for?
Why the hell AERN'T you published?
Rated for exposure (of stupidity, that is).
I don;t care that you published the picture. I just don't get it.
/sarcasm
Rated *and* posted to FB. Take that, Barry Schnitt.
Signed, someone who wishes she wasn't always on the taking end of the camera, so maybe there would have been pictures of her nursing her 3 year olds to post to FB...
I like your attitude about it. It reminds me of the end of the film "Untamed Heart", when following the death of the Christian Slater character, Marisa Tomei, who had some self-confidence problems, told her friend, "I was good at loving him." Sounds like you have been good at being a mother.
Breasts are first and foremost mammary glands. What the hell is the problem with people who want to reserve them strictly for porn movies, Maxim covers, and dress cleavage? I'll never get it.
(though once I flew 1st class next to a man who gallantly gave up his seat to his wife. He went back in coach (they were on the company dime.) She was a nursing mom, and I was deeply traumatized by the appearance of her nursing nipple. I had no idea that nursing could do that to a nipple! Of course I was only 24 at the time, and probably had seen only my own nipples at that point. I can still see it - I could draw it, it is so firmly etched in my memory. I'd choose charcoal as my medium. Definitely charcoal. And I'd make it 3D so you'd have to wear corny looking glasses to get the full effect. Then you'd look too stupid to be critical of a breast).
"No nudity" is a pretty consistent position, and breasts = nudity. Facebook has been inconsistent about removing nudity from their advertising, as you point out, but they've also been inconsistent about removing breastfeeding photos. I have a friend who put a nursing photo as her profile pic and didn't get it taken down. My guess is Facebook just responds when someone complains or something, but can't monitor all pictures all the time. Consistent rule, inconsistently applied. If you want to say they should be more vigilant about enforcing their own rules, okay sure. But I don't think "no visible breasts" is a particularly heinous rule to apply, given that it's society's dominating standard. Fwiw, I have nothing against public displays of lactation behavior, but I think Facebook is within their rights and not guilty of anything more serious than inconstently enforcing their regulations.
So it isn't defined by traces of areola. It is defined by a human being looking at a picture and using common sense. Or not, as in this case. Silly.
I don't know about her claim, but I do know that breast feeding makes for healthier Children and is natural means of Birth Control.
When I was stricken with Polio, the doctors asked if I was Breast fed and until what age, and upon hearing the above, then said, "That may have saved his life and kept him from being permanently affected."
please don't misunderstand what i'm saying: i am not grossed out by nursing. i support the idea that mothers should be able to feed their children at their convenience and they shouldn't have to feel like it is dirty or awful. your pics are really quite tasteful to boot.
but facebook is a private website. why can't they make their own rules? as we can all see, you posted your pictures here, with an audience that seems to celebrate you.
why isn't that adequate? that seems more pleasant to me than forcing some third party to show them to people.
and i second pill bug's comment. i think they're more worried about being accused of purveying porn. you do say that they accepted advertising from topless models in the past, which implies they no longer do so.
are you saying your boobs are somehow more entitled to the real estate? and are you at all concerned about the pictures that will follow, if facebook suddenly says, "tits with kids on them are ok!"? i can't help but think you're paving the way for some truly bizarre porn.
My.
GAWD.
I thought I was going to have to start taking hostages.
MY INTERNET IS BACK!!! YAY!!!
(Okay, I'll start replying now)
Why is is that people are attracted to seeing others debase themsleves (and think it's cool), yet when it comes to a mother performing one of the most natural acts possible they are repelled?
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this decision is not yours to make.
I don't necessarily have a problem with the photos, and yes, they are beautiful, but at the same time....I feel like it's such an intimate moment between mother and child. I don't understand the rationale behind wanting to post the photos on a networking website.
I know, you've answered that question, you're proud. But I do think there's a large disparity between the picture of you breast-feeding your child and a person posting a photo standing in front of the gates of Disney World.
As I said, I don't personally have a problem with it....but I just don't understand why one would want to share that with the world. It seems more like something one would show to family and the closest of friends. Not the however many hundreds of friends one might have on Facebook. Perhaps it's because I'm a man and will never have that actual connection, but it seems much to personal a thing to be displaying on the internet for all to see.
http://open.salon.com/blog/marytkelly/2009/03/03/facebook_home_to_wanna_be_porn_stars
(Was your article by chance inspired/provoked by this one?)
But to answer your question --
YES!! IT IS MORE ACCEPTABLE for a drunk 14-year old girl with one arm laid across her otherwise topless chest, in a pair of fuzzy bunny ears and a bikini thong, to pretend to lick the neck of the equally drunk, equally nude underage girl next to her, and then post the pic on Facebook.
That's right!
(Our society... has got it all figured out.)
But if one pixel of said underage nipple might be showing, the pic would surely be deleted. It's all object, no subject, no common sense.
Sorry.
I am so thankful for everyone's comments!!! I was sitting on the floor of my closet bargaining with God and reading all the comments in liiiiiitle bitty print on my Instinct.
Yes, I have very curly hair. I keep it long so that it weighs itself down. I do occasionally find small children caught in it, however.
I am not taller than Picasso. In fact, I'm 4'11". I'm not taller than ANYONE.
As for the porn comments - there are some really bent people out there. I'll bet if you do a search on mailboxes you'll get porn. This is something that is happening in my world. I don't need Facebook to sanction me, I'm just doing my own little part to make breastfeeding at LEAST as socially acceptable as Girls Gone Wild. Don't like it? Don't look at it. I'm pretty sure no one clicking on this post was misled.
I didn't come down on the wrong side of anything. I made a statement which does not technically break the terms of service of Facebook OR OpenSalon.
Once again, don't like it? There are plenty of photos from Spring Break about to hit a Facebook page near you. It looks like I did make the decision and so did a quarter million other people who have joined the Facebook group supporting that decision.
"You understand and agree that the Company may, but is not obligated to, review the Site and may delete or remove (without notice) any Site Content or User Content in its sole discretion, for any reason or no reason"
This is because it's their site. Not yours. Get your own site and you can do what you like with it.
As someone who runs a site with user-generated content, it never ceases to amaze me at the stuff people complain about.
I treat Facebook as I would any other business I patronize. If I don't like the business practices, I complain. I went through the proper channels and I will once again state for the record that not only did I not violate the terms of service, but my photos have NOT been sanctioned.
If you think the photos violate the terms of service, you're welcome to complain, I won't tell you that YOU don't have that right.
Amazing, indeed.
As for your maternal hotness, sexual hypocrisy is to American spirituality what defense spending is to our economy. We rely on what we don't dare acknowledge, even as it sucks the life out of life.
It's shame that's vulgar, obscene, and nasty. Your breast is beautiful, your child is beautiful, and my God, woman, what a head of hair you've got!
As for FaceBook, we can paraphrase Dicken's Mr. Bumble, "If FaceBook supposes that… FaceBook is a ass - a idiot. If that’s the eye of FaceBook, FaceBook is a bachelor; and the worst I wish FaceBook is that his eye may be opened by experience - by experience."
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I remember the first time I ever saw a woman breastfeeding on our senior cruise to Mexico. She was just sitting on a bench outside her door, naked to the waist, breastfeeding. Neighbors passed by, waved, stopped to talk. It was 1986 and we American younguns were shocked. We've come a long way from 1986 but we still aren't to the point where nursing mothers can just pull their tops off in the middle of the street and no one will think anything of it. Hope a better day comes soon!
I nursed my daughters two dozen times a day or more early on, and still several times a day when they were three. It may be a sacred relationship of a sort, but the act of breastfeeding is entirely mundane. It's a part of life. It's a particularly lovely mundane aspect of life - not unlike, say, holding hands with my husband or giving my mom a hug. But neither of those acts are "intimate" or sacred in any but the most poetic interpretation. I would not hesitate to post a photograph of myself holding hands with my husband or hugging my mom on FB, they're lovely little vignettes of our relationships and the way we spend our days. Same thing with a breastfeeding photo.
The idea that the breastfeeding relationship, yea, verily the breastfeeding *moment* is "intimate" is a throwback to the idea that it is something slightly distasteful. Like that other intimate act, sex, it's something you do behind closed doors. No one wants to see it. Because, deepening that association, those boobies are sexual, right?
Posting photos of ones self breastfeeding is no more extraordinary or invasive than the actual act of breastfeeding in public. It isn't necessarily a political act, either. Breastfeeding in public is merely going about the business of one's day with one's child. Posting photos of it is merely sharing memories of beautiful, mundane everyday moments with loved ones. There's no invasion of the intimate space involved.
In my opinion it's people who smoke and things like that who should be made to do it in secret. I hate having to breathe their noxious fumes.
My mother said she did that to me, but I never believed her.
Excuse me:I have to go back and look again.
You have such pretty, lush hair.
And those are lovely photographs.
If I shared photos of my kids' hand turkeys with psychological analysis of their choices, perhaps this shouldn't be so shocking.
They want to watch, because they find it erotic, but they DONT want us to know they get aroused by simple physical contact below the neck.
I have a few completely discreet and very tender photos from my own bfeeding days, and I treasure them. It's such a warm and special time in your life as a mother.
And if Facebook has a problem with nipples, a whole lot of guys and their vacation photos are in trouble.
People who complain must have one of two issues with breastfeeding. (1) They do find it highly sexually enticing and don't think it should tempt their weak wills. (2) They are offended over the mere fact that breasts represent anything but visual stimuli for sexual satisfaction of the viewer.
The market will decide what facebook ends up doing. If you want to market yourself to a broader audience to include corporate america then you have to clean it up. Whether or not their venture pays off only time will tell.
If you check the date, I wrote it back at the beginning of March.
::wink::
I don't know what spurred the new interest, though.
Americans are overly infatuated with the female breast. If we were in Europe, or Africa, this would be a non-issue. When I worked at Toys R Us, we had to develop a policy to address customers who breast fed their babies in the store, due to complaints by other customers who were “grossed out”.
We see pictures of animals breast feeding their young all of the time, and think nothing of it. It’s unfortunate we are unable to get beyond our puritanical hang ups.
This planet is insane. Well, maybe just the humans...
I've just marked my sixth straight year of being either pregnant or nursing, with no end in sight (youngest and last will be 2 in September). You and I resemble each other with your 4'11" frames, curly hair and well endowed curves. I have to sincerely thank you for posting these, because seeing how beautiful you and your son are gives me a boost, too.
It's the glares I get from women in the restaurant with their breasts out...
I can't help but look, it's the way men are wired. I'm sorry for myself and the rest of us.
Damn you women have superpowers...
Strange that anyone considers it inappropriate, especially on Facebook!