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Jodi Kasten
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MARCH 11, 2009 10:48AM

I Hate Them and I Hope They Choke On My Mortgage Check

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March 2009

Back in September, Tropical Storm Fay tore off part of my roof. Quite a few shingles were blown off. It rained in my living room. It sucked. I wrote about it. In fact, it was my very first post.

Before the skies had even cleared, I called my insurance company. If you live in Florida, you’ve seen their commercials about how they are a Florida company that will not drop their Florida customers and they understand Floridian problems and Florida is so spiffy. It’s as if they are the FIRST insurance company that’s FLORIDIAN. ::ahem!::

 I was impressed when an adjustor showed up within two days. He looked at the roof and said, “We’re going to get you a new roof, Mrs. Kasten.”

Splendid.

So, I waited.
I got estimates.

Suddenly, and I do mean suddenly, we got a check in the mail for about $5800. I was thrilled. There was no explanation, just the check. A few days later, we got a letter in the mail with the breakdown. It was for everything: our shed that had fallen in, a broken window, water damage and a new roof.

You can stop laughing now.

Yes, all that for $5800. Our estimates were showing a very different picture. One roofing “company” sent a guy in a pickup truck that didn’t look like it would live to see morning with two guys in the truck bed that were passing a beer back and forth. THEY wanted $6500.

A few more companies came and went. No one would do it for less than $7200, after the beer dudes that is. I got the bright idea of having the Home Depot guy come. They HAD to be cheaper, right?

$11,943.

I didn’t just make that up. I looked at the estimate. He said their materials were better than everyone else’s and they had a better warranty. For $11,943, I should have a gold plated roof and an attractive girl installed in the attic that does my husband when I’m busy.

 So, I called back the insurance company because Lisa told me I shouldn’t have to take this shit. They told me to submit my estimates. I sent them six. I told them I preferred the company that gave us a $7700 estimate. I begged. I pled. I called back over and over. I gave up on actually getting money for the other damage. Finally, they sent the adjustor BACK out again. At the end of January, (YES, JANUARY!) I finally got a check for $1500 more.

Here’s the fun part:

I had cashed the first check with my mortgage company. I had to send the check to them; they endorsed it and then sent it back. I deposited it in our savings account. Now, I had another check. But, my mortgage had been bought out when my first mortgage bank had gone under. Now, I had to deal with a new mortgage company. I called them. I told them what happened. They told me that I would have to fill out a “claim packet”. It had to be notarized. I had to send ALL the estimates. I had to write a detailed letter justifying the fact that I already had insurance money that they didn’t get to LICK FIRST.

I said, “Okay, bring on the claim packets and dancing girls.”

It was February 9th.

I waited.

I waited some more.

This morning, I called the mortgage company back.

They said they sent the claim packet in December. They didn’t have my mortgage yet in December. I told them the exact date I called. February 9th. They said they sent it out and they “just didn’t know what happened”.

I gave them The Man’s fax number. I told them to send it to him. I then asked, “With all due respect, how do I know you’re going to send my check back without losing it?” This is what I get:

“Well, Ma’am, if the check is lost, you would be responsible for that portion of your insurance claim. You would have to wait until the check expired then re-file, or you would have to pay for it yourself. You might want to overnight the check so that someone has to sign for it here. But, that’s no guarantee that it’ll make it back to you.”

!!!

???

!!!

So I say, “I would like a notarized letter saying you received the check.”

She laughed at me.

She laughed.

Then I said, “So, do I get a ‘Get Out of Jail Free’ card next time my mortgage is late?” (My mortgage has NEVER and I do mean NEVER been late!)

She laughed some more. “You’re very funny, Mrs. Kasten. Is there anything else I can help you with today?”

I said, “I would like to know how long it will take to get my check back if I overnight it to you.”

She says, “Well, you’d want to allow four to six weeks for processing.”

I am going to have an aneurism.  If I don’t respond to emails, please love me enough to send someone with a keg of Guinness and a funnel.

 

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"Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats."
~H. L. Mencken
holy shit babycakes ... it sucks ass being at the knees of those bureaucratic bastards ... hang in there ... stay dry ... you've got a few months til hurricane season ...

hugggggggggggggggs!!!
irony at its best --rated--
AAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGH!!!!!

Public flogging!!!!! Death by stoning!!!!

Neither would be too good or justice for those bastards. I mean, why have the frackin' insurance to begin with?

Bastards. Did I say they are bastards????

Thumbed, and I'm currently looking for a funnel and a keg for you.
I'd suggest complaining to your state financial regulator, but as I typed that, I began laughing hysterically and then sobbing...Obama et al have some much to do, and so little time.... "This Recession is courtesy of the Regan Revolution, where no supervision is the best supervision". As long as those policies survive, the worst banks and mortgage companies thrive, because they make the most short term profit.
Thank Gawd I live in canada, where our banks and mortages ARE highly regulated (only one or two minor subprime players have gone insolvent, and the major players are not wholesaling off their portfolios, because thats where the profit is these days).
In situations like this, I just want ONE PERSON to say, "wow. this is really troubling. Let me see if I can help make this happen." Why does no one do this anymore?
Mom - I think I burst a blood vessel in my left eye. Either that or I have discovered what "blind rage" means.

MMM - Grrr...

Bill - I'm wondering if they'll take the notarized form if I smear it with toddler feces first.

Brian - I actually feel guilty complaining. There are still people in Louisiana living in FEMA trailers. This SUCKS. The sad part is, I don't live in a hurricane prone area, believe it or not. Jacksonville hasn't had a direct hit. They either go up to North Carolina or down across Florida, for the most part. This was the tail end of a TROPICAL STORM, for pete's sake!

voicegal - All of those people got laid off.
Rated with unmitigated sympathy. What a bunch of weasels.
Eeeeh. That's terrible! Keep keeping, hon!
P.S. Not to sound stupid, I know it's still FLORIDA, but it's not like I live in Homestead or something. .
Burons. Bureauratic morons. There ought to be a bounty on the motherfuckers.

Keg stands. One more endearing quality you have Ms. Kasten.
Guinness and funnel on the way.
That sucks! "She laughed." Are they programming the robots to laugh at our despair now? (Press 1 if you'd like to be condescended to. Press 2 if you'd like to be insulted and made to feel like you're insane. Press 3 if you want to be laughed at derisively. Press 4 to be sent into the perpetual loop of automated instructions from which you will never return and for which you will be charged $72.50) You obviously pressed 3.
Yup.
I SO pressed "3".
L&P - I have some marshmallow Santas in a drawer. I think they should die of decapitation. LOL
were the breast feeding pictures mentioned at anytime? just kidding.
It boggles the mind, doesn't it? I swear, all of these banks must be in some sort of conspiracy against all of us. I second Lulu and Phoebe's recommendation for chocolate. I'm enjoying some right now courtesy of my credit card angst. I figure it's cheaper than hiring a lawyer to keep my sorry ass out of jail when I go ballistic on those people.
Use the money, fix your roof. Change insurance companies.

If they ask about the claim packet conversation, indicate it never happened.

They will not search for your blog for proof. If they do, say it is horror-fiction.

They do not have your call on tape, they will never find it if they do.

Fix your roof.

Delete this message.
Lisa - This is what REALLY fries my bacon! We're actually PAYING these people! If I don't pay my homeowners' insurance, they can drop me. If I don't pay my mortgage, they foreclose on me. If I take my business elsewhere, they don't care! (And it would probably be worse somewhere else.)

You would think in times like these they would like to keep the people who are still able to pay.

Grrr.
Elizabeth - Don't think I haven't considered cashing the check as "deposit only" then saying to the mortgage company, "What check? I didn't get any check!" BWAHAHAHAHA!

Seriously, I think they come and repossess your vocal cords if you do that.
Not for nothing, but February 9th is my birthday....... I would go online, look up the insurance company, find out the president's name and call him directly. That's what I did after Frances and Jeanne and losing my roof. I spent four weeks trying to get a human being with no luck and then took that route. Interestingly enough, the president answered his own phone. 48 hours later, I had a cashier's check. No adjustor, no middle men. I highly recommend the Cartouche route. Next week, I have the president of a bath fitting comapny that does all the sbcontracting work for Home Depot coming out because the (new) sales rep (that I just finished spending an hour and half with this morning) didn't have all the collateral materials (and what he did have were poorly written) and no sales tools. I could have eaten him alive and instead spent the morning teaching him what was missing. I may get a new bathroom for free...... Don;t back down. Don't back down. Dont back down. Keggified and funnelified for laughter but not for the aggravation you had to endure to write this.
Toochie - You SO know how to get things done! I am going to do just that if they say they lose this check. I have to refinance to get out of the company and I don't think that's going to happen anytime soon! I will look up the loan manager and see if I can't rattle some craniums. Thank you!
Lot of people have given you good advice. All I can do is a big hug.
(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((Jodi)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Sometimes, hanging is too good for 'em. Damn.
Wow, i was curious to see what people would suggest and think Cartouche is onto something. Of course, we once did something similar with Best Buy and they ended up sending us a $20 coupon after fucking our computer straight up. As if we were EVER going to set foot in that damned store again. But, try it and tell us what happens.

rated but i hated this as it reminds me of all the beaurocratic crap i suck at.
I just had my roof replaced and dealing with the insurance company was a royal pain in the arse. I feel your pain. But the fact that you like Guinness shows you are strong and powerful! Good post.
"For $11,943, I should have a gold plated roof and an attractive girl installed in the attic that does my husband when I’m busy."

Actually, that's the $23,946 option. Unless you want the blonde - that's an extra $1900. Not sure why.

(good on you for keeping your sense of malefic humor)
Jodi: Stay mad and don't feel guilty about it. Your anger can actually serve you in good stead. I think the secret is to not actually show that you pissed, because it seems to make them think they have even more power.

My strategy now is to be as sweet as pie on the phone until they do something stupid like laugh at me, or try to be snippy. A couple of times I have U-turned into my stern mama voice and said to a laugher: "Do you think I could talk to somebody who isn't smoking a joint on the job?" By gum, it worked.

The stern ones for some reason are so much easier. Usually something along the lines of "Listen [young] lady/[young] man/Mr., it's been a looong time since I was in kindergarten, so I would appreciate it if you would change your tone."

I actually got some snarky guy at Verizon to stop being snippy by declaring "You're kind of an a**h*le, aren't you?" [He really was]Stopped him dead in his tracks, and he actually said: "Oh - sorry."

My husband has an approach that I could not even reproduce if I tried. He simply becomes an immovable object. I've heard him say things like "No, that's no good." or "No, I'm not doing that. How about this?" He's actually achieved some results.

I have to admit I'm a little unclear as to why the check has to be cashed through the mortgage company. I've only made one insurance claim on our house, and the insurance people sent someone out to fix the damaged ceiling, I signed off on the work and that was that. That was also twenty years ago. Things have obviously changed for the worse, but then we all know that.
The reason the check has to be endorsed by the mortgage company is that it's made out to both of us because they are part-owners of the house. ::glower::

Otherwise, I would greatly enjoy never speaking to them again.

The funny part is that they say that having the "claim packet" notarized is to make sure that I'm actually me and that the work gets done. They have a "vested interest in the property." Well, maybe making me wait TWO FUCKING MONTHS to cash the check must be in their best interest, too.

Where were my co-owners when I was fighting the insurance company for FIVE MONTHS? Eh? Where was their VESTED INTEREST THEN?!?

::gasping for breath::

Oh, and The Man has yet to receive the fax.

I need a vacation.
Rated.

At least you've kept your sense of humor. ;-)

I don't have any better advice than Cartouche. Good luck!
That just blows, worse than Fay. Damn. Sorry.
I learned from a wise person, when in doubt invoke the state regulatory agency.

Ask the name of the person you're speaking with. Ask them to spell it for you s-l-o-w-l-y. Explain that you want to spell it correctly when you write the insurance commissioner. Ask for their supervisor's name. Again, ask for the spelling. Send a copy of EVERY communication with them to the insurance commissioner. Send an enclosure letter with the check you overnight to them, detailing the entire process, with a copy to the insurance commissioner -- noting the copy.

Make precise notes. Put them in your file on this travesty. Offer to send copies of everything to the insurance commissioner.

And then cross your fingers, spin around 3 times and say "there's no place like home."
Shite situation. Great post.
Great Mencken quote. Don't know about slitting throats but a "damnit doll" might come in handy right about now.
Well, your whole situation really sucks...but then, you already knew that! The whole "insurance company sends you the check but the mortgage company has to sign it" deal is not unusual. We had some massive hail storms come thru, and just about EVERYONE got a new roof. We too got the check from State Farm, and our mortgage co. signed and sent it back. Lucky for us, it was THE SAME mortage company! Since it's technically their house, they want to make sure you use the money to repair the house and not something else...although how they'd know that once you cash said check is beyond me.
This post makes me angry. Really angry. Angry enough to throw a lawyer at these people. Do you have a lawyer friend who will write a threatening letter for you? Sometimes a letter is all it takes...

Did you hear the NPR story yesterday about how mortgage companies who were filing foreclosures were stopped in their tracks because they couldn't produce evidence that they owned the loan? (It had been packaged and sold, without proper paperwork) The lawyer doing the research for the homeowners was in Miami, fyi.
here in my area the local tv news agency will publicize the problem and try to talk to the jerks in charge for you. It often gets very quick results. bad publicity is your strongest weapon.
Fabulous, frustrating, hilarious story. Sending reams of stuff to both Insurance Commish and President of company is recommended. And since you have a fax, you can fax and re-fax same to both daily. Bug them. Annoy them. Implacably. Stone faced.
No. I don't know any lawyers... I wish!

At this point, the fight with the insurance company is over, now it's just the stupid mortgage company. I am going to try asking for their name next time. Very sloooowly. LOL

I think I'll call while Pudge is screaming for his lunch and let them listen to THAT.
rated. And you should hear our story about our "unlimited" texting agreement with Verizon. My house burned down to the studs in '95 so I am extremely sympathetic about insurance claims and the good guys that arn't so good or the good hands that drop everything. My sympathies go to you and yours. And to your mortgage company and the insurance angencies, plus the rip-off contractors: "You are all Fuckwits to my friends and the curse of Doctor Fuckwit is upon you." It's an old Irish curse that works almost as well as Guiness and a funnel.
My brother and family are going through the same thing in south Houston. Finished their last repairs two months ago I think - it's been a nightmare. He says that beer does in fact help!
Ugh! I have been though this, too!

After Katrina, first the insurance company delayed payment, then the mortgage company held our check since it was made out to both parties, then the bank held our money… At the time, we really needed it.

Is it possible for you to go into a branch of your mortgage office? In post-Katrina days, the bank was giving me a hard time and holding my insurance check for reasons best (or only) understood by them. So I parked my ass on the chair in a bank manager’s office with my 2 children (then 2 and 4 years old), who were increasingly bouncing off the walls. I did not tell my kids to settle down as I normally would have. I repeated that I wanted access to the check and then I sat there. I just sat, impassively. I really settled in. When necessary, I would repeat how the money was rightfully mine. If they tried to explain why I needed to wait 3 weeks, I would look at them without speaking, and in discomfort they would leave the room. I had to counter my instincts to be nice and cooperative. It was harder for them to argue with me because I wasn’t arguing back, I was just sitting. It took about 45 minutes of sitting, but I left there with money in hand.

Julie Delio has good tips, too. I know from personal experience that Customer Service People got MUCH more serious if you ask them to spell their first and last names.

Sorry you are dealing with this!
Oh good grief. I hate banks and insurance companies.

PS- I didn't know you could do a keg stand with Guinness. Take pictures.
Holy F*ck! I've heard hundreds of horror stories over the years about this sort of thing. There are people around here still fighting with ins. companies for money from Charley back in '04. When are regulations going to be put in place to protect the consumer? I've heard it's even worse after Katrina. They just don't want to pay anything. They want you to get tied up in court for years and they can out last you. Even class actions take years and get little results.
Denise - All I have in my head when I try to complain to the companies is Katrina. I STILL have people I know trying to get money. It's scary.

Michael - *Regulations?!?* In Margaritaville?
NE-VAH!
I'm sorry you are going through this, Jodi. It wasn't until I started using my journalistic skills in my everyday life that I got results in these and similar situations. As soon as I engage someone on the phone, I politely ask for their full name and title. If they won't give it to me, I ask for a supervisor. If they say that one isn't available, I ask for another rep. I keep going until someone higher up speaks to me, and they always do, and I repeat the process. I also use silence as a weapon. Very few people are comfortable with it and if they break it before you do, you have the upper hand. I am always polite. If someone is flat out rude, I check the spelling of their name with them again, or ask them if they are having a really bad day. Their attitude usually changes.

I have also gone straight to the top like cartouche with good results. Letters get more results than verbal complaints, especially when I mention that I am a journalist and have a well-read blog. Almost no one ever checks that out.

Occasionally all of the above will fail, in which case I head straight to the funnel and the Guiness. :)
Take the check to the place of business, wait while the sign it, and take it back with you.

people are less "ass-holish" when you are standing in front of them.

And you leave with the check that cannot then be lost.
hey jodi,
i still think it was the pictures. facebook put a black mark next to your name and only warren buffet can have it removed.
I wish I could go to their offices. But, my mortgage was bought by a faceless agency that does nothing but buy up mortgages from failed banks. Gotta love that.
I must admit. I'm not supposed to say this. But since it was Citi mortgage that fucked me over and took my house, I've been watching their troubles with a certain schadenfreude.
And I had similar issues with GEICO, which for a while, was a very good car insurance company but DROPPED me after several years. Why? Because I had lost my house. They decided I was such a bad credit risk they couldn't sell me car insurance.
Now I see that gecko and I want to smash his face in.

Let's go dance on your roof, Jodi and shout "fuck you" up to the heavens.
Axis of Evil. "Banks, Insurance and Oil." I"m waiting on the copyrights for this version of the term.

RATED!!!!
A similarly infuriating update:
The Man has not received the fax.
I called the claims department back and got "Juanita" - the same woman I talked to this morning.
Remember, all this trouble is in order to have the privilege of filling out the "claim packet" that must be notarized.

This mystical document wouldn't go through her fax machine. So, she said, "Oh, I tried. It's sitting on my desk. I got an error."

She didn't try to CALL me and tell me that.

Me: "Juanita, I'm sorry, could you spell your name for me?"

Juanita: "Could you please hold while I try to fax that again?"

...

Juanita comes back: "Okay, I just re-sent the fax. I'll call you in a few minutes to verify that it went through."

Heh, heh, heh...
VICTORY SHALL BE MINE!
I have decided to install a Guinness pipeline that runs from Ireland under the Atlantic Ocean and straight to your backyard. I wish I could say it was hurricane proof.
There is nothing more vile than bureaucracy.

If Mark Twain didn't say something like that, he should have.
Mmm... Guinness pipeline...
::insert Homer Simpson drooling sound here::
Makes me glad we bought this place on a contract. Paid it off in five years like a car. No banks, no theiving bastard mortgage company. I used to feel bad that we were so financially inept that we couldn't get a home loan, after the last two years, I thank my lucky stars that it all fell through. I sympathize with your struggle too. A friend of mine left a pan on his stove and set fire to hois kitchen. It took three months to make the house livable again.
Dammit Jody. Unfortunately it seems your story is more the norm than the exception. I was in New Orleans a long time after Katrina. Wanna talk about problems with insurance companies? OMG Guess I'm kind of confused about the tie between them and the mortgage co.
and I WILL go re-read. But for now rated for sex surrogate in the attic.
Way to go, Jodi. Taking names is the place to start. I have been told that things just couldn't happen for all kinds of reasons, right up until the time they happened. I fought a nearly year-long battle with Services Canada over my mother's GIC (guaranteed income supplement) and right up until the time the retroactive cheque was deposited, they were telling me it just wasn't possible. Fortunately, I had connected with someone who knew what they were doing -- a rare enough occurrence -- and they made it happen, although apparently nothing was written on her file until after the fact. Maybe she was afraid someone would undo the process.

“Bureaucracy is the art of making the possible impossible.” –– Javier
Pascuel Salcedo
It just doesn't seem right. Been there, done that when we had damage from one storm to a house. Insurance said they were "two different storms" because the wind came in and took part of the roof then the rain came and did water damage. Two different EFFECTS of the same freaking storm. They do what they wanna do. Feel for you.
Awful, but there's nothing surprising about your experience, sad to say. Free-Market types wail against "bureaucrats" as though they don't exist in private industry. The only thing worse than dealing with mortgage/home insurance is dealing with health insurance.

We were once threatened with a lawsuit for non-payment by the hospital my wife worked and was covered by an employee health plan issued by the hospital because it was "self-insured". I admit it, I screamed into the phone at the flunky on the other end of the bill.

"Are you trying to tell me you're going to sue us because you didn't pay yourself?"

Your story and mine are just a couple of millions of examples of why insurance companies will be the next in the "free-market" chain to need massive bailouts -- don't forget AIG is an insurance company.

That's also why all this Obama talk about "reforming" healthcare by forcing everyone into insurance companies is not only a farce, it is dangerous.

Does anyone really believe insurance companies are going to behave better when they've suddenly had another 50 million customers dumped on them? Does anyone believe they are going to stop denying coverage for "pre-existing conditions"? Or delaying payments? Or fudging the numbers on co-payments (see the lawsuit won against Blue-Cross of Ohio)? Or denying "experimental" treatments? Or change their policies about paying for Viagra, but not birth-control medications? And what about abortions? And what about utterly usage HMOs?

If Obama really want to reform healthcare, he'll start by offering citizens a nationalized health plan designed to put insurance companies out of business long before he comes up for re-election.
::sigh::

I FINALLY have the fax.
Now I just have to fill out the "claim packet," get it notarized, buy TWO overnight envelopes so that in four to six weeks, they'll overnight it, then start praying.

Some time in 2012, when the roofers arrive, I'll be sure to post about it.

:P
Oh, I am SO with you but I don't have the energy right now to get into it and I'm sure it would bore you anyway.

"Is there anything else I can help you with today?” Well, I DO usually get a kiss first...

For what is worth I do have the woman in the attic for when Mrs. Cap'n doesn't feel like it. She a real doll but she doesn't kiss me first either.
SOB mortgage and insurance companies. Insurance companies are still tops on my 'most hated' list, but mortgage companies are working their way up.

We were lucky with Gustav -- no damage, although our neighborhood looked like a wrecking ball was taken to most of the houses. As I wait to see if I will be employed in July, I am relieved to know that my husband can pay our mortgage.

I'm sorry you are going through this.

denese
banks, insurance companies, corporations, the big ball of shit is racing downhill and getting larger and on the way guess what slinging on all of us. You would really put a girl in the attic for the man? Good luck, there is hope out there somewhere. O/E
Insurance companies are real sweethearts.

http://open.salon.com/blog/jimgalt/2009/03/10/youre_in_good_hands
Make sure that the bids will still be good in four to six weeks, in case the cost of materials goes up. Bids typically have a short lifespan.
Mish - That ship sailed MONTHS ago. At this point, I'm just trying to get within striking distance. Then, we'll have the actual work done and try to get the rest of the supplemental insurance later. It's honestly to that point.
Morons morons morons. And I mean that in the kindest way possible. Freakin' idiots.
It's times like these when one wishes for a highly trained band of ruthless assassins in one's circle of friends.
I'd settle for a poorly trained band of assassins at this point.
I already have a migraine today. OY VEY, did you make it worse! I'm going to go drink something soothing now (and I don't drink, so we're probably talking about Librium with water).
Jodi, nightmare city to infinity and beyond. In this day and age can't these companies finally get it right? By the way, what's the happening with the Barnes & Noble store in Jacksonville? Did anything change to prevent it from closing?
No, I'm afraid it is on its way out. :(
But, I'm beginning to go Zen on the commute to the other one. LOL
OMG. I don't know what else to say.
I know I'm late to see this, but it sounds like the time in between (the 60 days) the old company that collected your mortgage payments and the new is a special period that the companies are really not allowed to skrew things up. When things go wrong there is usually a RESPA violation - Real Estate Settlement Procedures Act. I know that most attorney's offer free legal advice, that might be an option for you. It should be a section 8 violation in there some where. I would consult your local Real Estate Attorney and maybe it'd be worth it for them to send a letter and make a phone call. That's my two cents, for what it's worth.
sorry jodi...I really,really hate insurance companies. they take the money, then they don't give a shit. their commercials are lies. they don't care.
I'm going to recommend a book. Go read it. I'm serious. If you want to know why insurance companies are doing this, and how they get away with it.

From Good Hands to Boxing Gloves by David J. Berardinelli. You can get it on Amazon. It will make your blood boil.
This is the stuff that made me want to study law. One thing I find when dealing with phone bank people is that they often tell me that something is "the law," which makes me laugh at them. One insurance girl told me that she could not give me details of a medical charge they weren't paying, because that would violate confidentiality laws, as if my medical bills were a secret from me.

You've gotten a lot of good, polite suggestions from other posters about how to talk to these people, plus you are plenty verbal already. I have my own bitter method--waste my time, I'll waste yours. Maybe they'll get tired of me repeating the same thing and eventually do something different. I also refuse to let people hide behind the fact that they're a cog in the machine and basically as powerless as me. I once got the California tax collections agent to reverse a tax lien on a tenant counseling client's bank account by repeating to her on the phone, "Can you personally assure me that you feel good about what you are doing? Is this the right thing to do? I understand that the law allows you to do it. Is it moral? Is it your mission to take a poor man's rent money and make him homeless?" She hated me but she gave the guy his money back.

I do some version of that with all the endless bank, credit card, insurance, medical billing, and assorted minor devils that I deal with almost daily. I know it doesn't always work, but I feel I'm called to preach. You can't do this job, this way, and expect me to treat you like an admirable human being. Ask them questions to which they do not have a comfortable answer. Sometimes they get inspired.

One last thought--review the contract that says that you have to send this check for endorsement to the new second lienholder. They have a right to be indemnified against a loss. Where does it say that they have a right to endanger you by taking an unreasonable time to release your money? Sometimes what you think is law or a contractual obligation can be satisfied by different procedure that answers the same need--to protect the lienholder against a loss. You can sometimes break rules when you do not do it with intent to defraud. It might not be a bad idea to have a lawyer look over your contract and correspondence to tell you what your exposure might be if, as someone suggested, you just submit the check to your bank for deposit (and the bank probably uses character readers and is not checking for endorsement). You could then send a copy of the check, the bid, and the final payment to the lienholder, along with a picture of you in your water-tight living room, holding a Guiness.
Oh-my-God. Hang on to your sanity, Jodi! I've been in your position with the house damage (T.S. Charlie-Frances-Jeanne in 2004), but I was able to walk into the office of my mortgage company with check in hand (twice) and get someone to endorse my checks. I didn't even think about what a horror show that is when your mortgage gets passed around like a plate of Christmas cookies.

Sounds like Cartouche has some good advice for you (I can tell she lives in our area, too). Head straight for the top - I like her approach very much.

You've got moxie - use it. Hell hath no fury like a woman who's been slammed by a meaningless minion.
Jodi -- like so many others, I feel your pain. When we bought our old house, at the last minute (on the day of closing) the insurer backed out and in order to close on time (and get the locked-in mortgage rate), we had to scramble around and get insurance from one of those fly-by-night companies with the cheesy ads promising to insure anyone no matter how many hit-and-runs/bankruptcies/years in political office they had. I did make sure to ascertain, before signing, that we could cancel at any time with no penalty, knowing that given a little time we could find normal insurance again.

Fast forward a few weeks, closing has gone off and I have done the obvious thing and asked the seller who they had the house insured with. I've contacted their insurer and all is ready for the insurance switch. Now the fly-by-night company tries to charge me a fee for switching. LONG story short(er), after a lot of useless talking, reasoning, and explaining which was going nowhere I dug around and found the phone number, not for the company's president but for their General Counsel. That's right, I called the lawyer. Lawyers can be very lawsuit-averse when the suit is pointed at their own company (trust me, I'm a lawyer). After approximately one five-minute phone conversation, the problem was solved. I didn't even need to write a letter. So that's something to think about.

Suggestion two: send the check return receipt, signature required. It doesn't have to be overnight, it just has to require somebody's signature upon receipt, and you get the receipt with the signature back for your records. Ask at the post office. I always do this when I send things to government agencies and other bureaucrats who like to lose (your) important documents.

Best of luck to you, and I'm so sorry you are dealing with this.