I Hate Them and I Hope They Choke On My Mortgage Check

Back in September, Tropical Storm Fay tore off part of my roof. Quite a few shingles were blown off. It rained in my living room. It sucked. I wrote about it. In fact, it was my very first post.
Before the skies had even cleared, I called my insurance company. If you live in Florida, you’ve seen their commercials about how they are a Florida company that will not drop their Florida customers and they understand Floridian problems and Florida is so spiffy. It’s as if they are the FIRST insurance company that’s FLORIDIAN. ::ahem!::
I was impressed when an adjustor showed up within two days. He looked at the roof and said, “We’re going to get you a new roof, Mrs. Kasten.”
Splendid.
So, I waited.
I got estimates.
Suddenly, and I do mean suddenly, we got a check in the mail for about $5800. I was thrilled. There was no explanation, just the check. A few days later, we got a letter in the mail with the breakdown. It was for everything: our shed that had fallen in, a broken window, water damage and a new roof.
You can stop laughing now.
Yes, all that for $5800. Our estimates were showing a very different picture. One roofing “company” sent a guy in a pickup truck that didn’t look like it would live to see morning with two guys in the truck bed that were passing a beer back and forth. THEY wanted $6500.
A few more companies came and went. No one would do it for less than $7200, after the beer dudes that is. I got the bright idea of having the Home Depot guy come. They HAD to be cheaper, right?
$11,943.
I didn’t just make that up. I looked at the estimate. He said their materials were better than everyone else’s and they had a better warranty. For $11,943, I should have a gold plated roof and an attractive girl installed in the attic that does my husband when I’m busy.
So, I called back the insurance company because Lisa told me I shouldn’t have to take this shit. They told me to submit my estimates. I sent them six. I told them I preferred the company that gave us a $7700 estimate. I begged. I pled. I called back over and over. I gave up on actually getting money for the other damage. Finally, they sent the adjustor BACK out again. At the end of January, (YES, JANUARY!) I finally got a check for $1500 more.
Here’s the fun part:
I had cashed the first check with my mortgage company. I had to send the check to them; they endorsed it and then sent it back. I deposited it in our savings account. Now, I had another check. But, my mortgage had been bought out when my first mortgage bank had gone under. Now, I had to deal with a new mortgage company. I called them. I told them what happened. They told me that I would have to fill out a “claim packet”. It had to be notarized. I had to send ALL the estimates. I had to write a detailed letter justifying the fact that I already had insurance money that they didn’t get to LICK FIRST.
I said, “Okay, bring on the claim packets and dancing girls.”
It was February 9th.
I waited.
I waited some more.
This morning, I called the mortgage company back.
They said they sent the claim packet in December. They didn’t have my mortgage yet in December. I told them the exact date I called. February 9th. They said they sent it out and they “just didn’t know what happened”.
I gave them The Man’s fax number. I told them to send it to him. I then asked, “With all due respect, how do I know you’re going to send my check back without losing it?” This is what I get:
“Well, Ma’am, if the check is lost, you would be responsible for that portion of your insurance claim. You would have to wait until the check expired then re-file, or you would have to pay for it yourself. You might want to overnight the check so that someone has to sign for it here. But, that’s no guarantee that it’ll make it back to you.”
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So I say, “I would like a notarized letter saying you received the check.”
She laughed at me.
She laughed.
Then I said, “So, do I get a ‘Get Out of Jail Free’ card next time my mortgage is late?” (My mortgage has NEVER and I do mean NEVER been late!)
She laughed some more. “You’re very funny, Mrs. Kasten. Is there anything else I can help you with today?”
I said, “I would like to know how long it will take to get my check back if I overnight it to you.”
She says, “Well, you’d want to allow four to six weeks for processing.”
I am going to have an aneurism. If I don’t respond to emails, please love me enough to send someone with a keg of Guinness and a funnel.


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~H. L. Mencken
hugggggggggggggggs!!!
Public flogging!!!!! Death by stoning!!!!
Neither would be too good or justice for those bastards. I mean, why have the frackin' insurance to begin with?
Bastards. Did I say they are bastards????
Thumbed, and I'm currently looking for a funnel and a keg for you.
Thank Gawd I live in canada, where our banks and mortages ARE highly regulated (only one or two minor subprime players have gone insolvent, and the major players are not wholesaling off their portfolios, because thats where the profit is these days).
MMM - Grrr...
Bill - I'm wondering if they'll take the notarized form if I smear it with toddler feces first.
Brian - I actually feel guilty complaining. There are still people in Louisiana living in FEMA trailers. This SUCKS. The sad part is, I don't live in a hurricane prone area, believe it or not. Jacksonville hasn't had a direct hit. They either go up to North Carolina or down across Florida, for the most part. This was the tail end of a TROPICAL STORM, for pete's sake!
voicegal - All of those people got laid off.
Keg stands. One more endearing quality you have Ms. Kasten.
I SO pressed "3".
If they ask about the claim packet conversation, indicate it never happened.
They will not search for your blog for proof. If they do, say it is horror-fiction.
They do not have your call on tape, they will never find it if they do.
Fix your roof.
Delete this message.
You would think in times like these they would like to keep the people who are still able to pay.
Grrr.
Seriously, I think they come and repossess your vocal cords if you do that.
(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((Jodi)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
rated but i hated this as it reminds me of all the beaurocratic crap i suck at.
Actually, that's the $23,946 option. Unless you want the blonde - that's an extra $1900. Not sure why.
(good on you for keeping your sense of malefic humor)
My strategy now is to be as sweet as pie on the phone until they do something stupid like laugh at me, or try to be snippy. A couple of times I have U-turned into my stern mama voice and said to a laugher: "Do you think I could talk to somebody who isn't smoking a joint on the job?" By gum, it worked.
The stern ones for some reason are so much easier. Usually something along the lines of "Listen [young] lady/[young] man/Mr., it's been a looong time since I was in kindergarten, so I would appreciate it if you would change your tone."
I actually got some snarky guy at Verizon to stop being snippy by declaring "You're kind of an a**h*le, aren't you?" [He really was]Stopped him dead in his tracks, and he actually said: "Oh - sorry."
My husband has an approach that I could not even reproduce if I tried. He simply becomes an immovable object. I've heard him say things like "No, that's no good." or "No, I'm not doing that. How about this?" He's actually achieved some results.
I have to admit I'm a little unclear as to why the check has to be cashed through the mortgage company. I've only made one insurance claim on our house, and the insurance people sent someone out to fix the damaged ceiling, I signed off on the work and that was that. That was also twenty years ago. Things have obviously changed for the worse, but then we all know that.
Otherwise, I would greatly enjoy never speaking to them again.
The funny part is that they say that having the "claim packet" notarized is to make sure that I'm actually me and that the work gets done. They have a "vested interest in the property." Well, maybe making me wait TWO FUCKING MONTHS to cash the check must be in their best interest, too.
Where were my co-owners when I was fighting the insurance company for FIVE MONTHS? Eh? Where was their VESTED INTEREST THEN?!?
::gasping for breath::
Oh, and The Man has yet to receive the fax.
I need a vacation.
At least you've kept your sense of humor. ;-)
I don't have any better advice than Cartouche. Good luck!
Ask the name of the person you're speaking with. Ask them to spell it for you s-l-o-w-l-y. Explain that you want to spell it correctly when you write the insurance commissioner. Ask for their supervisor's name. Again, ask for the spelling. Send a copy of EVERY communication with them to the insurance commissioner. Send an enclosure letter with the check you overnight to them, detailing the entire process, with a copy to the insurance commissioner -- noting the copy.
Make precise notes. Put them in your file on this travesty. Offer to send copies of everything to the insurance commissioner.
And then cross your fingers, spin around 3 times and say "there's no place like home."
Great Mencken quote. Don't know about slitting throats but a "damnit doll" might come in handy right about now.
Did you hear the NPR story yesterday about how mortgage companies who were filing foreclosures were stopped in their tracks because they couldn't produce evidence that they owned the loan? (It had been packaged and sold, without proper paperwork) The lawyer doing the research for the homeowners was in Miami, fyi.
At this point, the fight with the insurance company is over, now it's just the stupid mortgage company. I am going to try asking for their name next time. Very sloooowly. LOL
I think I'll call while Pudge is screaming for his lunch and let them listen to THAT.
After Katrina, first the insurance company delayed payment, then the mortgage company held our check since it was made out to both parties, then the bank held our money… At the time, we really needed it.
Is it possible for you to go into a branch of your mortgage office? In post-Katrina days, the bank was giving me a hard time and holding my insurance check for reasons best (or only) understood by them. So I parked my ass on the chair in a bank manager’s office with my 2 children (then 2 and 4 years old), who were increasingly bouncing off the walls. I did not tell my kids to settle down as I normally would have. I repeated that I wanted access to the check and then I sat there. I just sat, impassively. I really settled in. When necessary, I would repeat how the money was rightfully mine. If they tried to explain why I needed to wait 3 weeks, I would look at them without speaking, and in discomfort they would leave the room. I had to counter my instincts to be nice and cooperative. It was harder for them to argue with me because I wasn’t arguing back, I was just sitting. It took about 45 minutes of sitting, but I left there with money in hand.
Julie Delio has good tips, too. I know from personal experience that Customer Service People got MUCH more serious if you ask them to spell their first and last names.
Sorry you are dealing with this!
PS- I didn't know you could do a keg stand with Guinness. Take pictures.
Michael - *Regulations?!?* In Margaritaville?
NE-VAH!
I have also gone straight to the top like cartouche with good results. Letters get more results than verbal complaints, especially when I mention that I am a journalist and have a well-read blog. Almost no one ever checks that out.
Occasionally all of the above will fail, in which case I head straight to the funnel and the Guiness. :)
people are less "ass-holish" when you are standing in front of them.
And you leave with the check that cannot then be lost.
i still think it was the pictures. facebook put a black mark next to your name and only warren buffet can have it removed.
And I had similar issues with GEICO, which for a while, was a very good car insurance company but DROPPED me after several years. Why? Because I had lost my house. They decided I was such a bad credit risk they couldn't sell me car insurance.
Now I see that gecko and I want to smash his face in.
Let's go dance on your roof, Jodi and shout "fuck you" up to the heavens.
RATED!!!!
The Man has not received the fax.
I called the claims department back and got "Juanita" - the same woman I talked to this morning.
Remember, all this trouble is in order to have the privilege of filling out the "claim packet" that must be notarized.
This mystical document wouldn't go through her fax machine. So, she said, "Oh, I tried. It's sitting on my desk. I got an error."
She didn't try to CALL me and tell me that.
Me: "Juanita, I'm sorry, could you spell your name for me?"
Juanita: "Could you please hold while I try to fax that again?"
...
Juanita comes back: "Okay, I just re-sent the fax. I'll call you in a few minutes to verify that it went through."
Heh, heh, heh...
VICTORY SHALL BE MINE!
If Mark Twain didn't say something like that, he should have.
::insert Homer Simpson drooling sound here::
and I WILL go re-read. But for now rated for sex surrogate in the attic.
“Bureaucracy is the art of making the possible impossible.” –– Javier
Pascuel Salcedo
We were once threatened with a lawsuit for non-payment by the hospital my wife worked and was covered by an employee health plan issued by the hospital because it was "self-insured". I admit it, I screamed into the phone at the flunky on the other end of the bill.
"Are you trying to tell me you're going to sue us because you didn't pay yourself?"
Your story and mine are just a couple of millions of examples of why insurance companies will be the next in the "free-market" chain to need massive bailouts -- don't forget AIG is an insurance company.
That's also why all this Obama talk about "reforming" healthcare by forcing everyone into insurance companies is not only a farce, it is dangerous.
Does anyone really believe insurance companies are going to behave better when they've suddenly had another 50 million customers dumped on them? Does anyone believe they are going to stop denying coverage for "pre-existing conditions"? Or delaying payments? Or fudging the numbers on co-payments (see the lawsuit won against Blue-Cross of Ohio)? Or denying "experimental" treatments? Or change their policies about paying for Viagra, but not birth-control medications? And what about abortions? And what about utterly usage HMOs?
If Obama really want to reform healthcare, he'll start by offering citizens a nationalized health plan designed to put insurance companies out of business long before he comes up for re-election.
I FINALLY have the fax.
Now I just have to fill out the "claim packet," get it notarized, buy TWO overnight envelopes so that in four to six weeks, they'll overnight it, then start praying.
Some time in 2012, when the roofers arrive, I'll be sure to post about it.
:P
"Is there anything else I can help you with today?” Well, I DO usually get a kiss first...
For what is worth I do have the woman in the attic for when Mrs. Cap'n doesn't feel like it. She a real doll but she doesn't kiss me first either.
We were lucky with Gustav -- no damage, although our neighborhood looked like a wrecking ball was taken to most of the houses. As I wait to see if I will be employed in July, I am relieved to know that my husband can pay our mortgage.
I'm sorry you are going through this.
denese
http://open.salon.com/blog/jimgalt/2009/03/10/youre_in_good_hands
But, I'm beginning to go Zen on the commute to the other one. LOL
From Good Hands to Boxing Gloves by David J. Berardinelli. You can get it on Amazon. It will make your blood boil.
You've gotten a lot of good, polite suggestions from other posters about how to talk to these people, plus you are plenty verbal already. I have my own bitter method--waste my time, I'll waste yours. Maybe they'll get tired of me repeating the same thing and eventually do something different. I also refuse to let people hide behind the fact that they're a cog in the machine and basically as powerless as me. I once got the California tax collections agent to reverse a tax lien on a tenant counseling client's bank account by repeating to her on the phone, "Can you personally assure me that you feel good about what you are doing? Is this the right thing to do? I understand that the law allows you to do it. Is it moral? Is it your mission to take a poor man's rent money and make him homeless?" She hated me but she gave the guy his money back.
I do some version of that with all the endless bank, credit card, insurance, medical billing, and assorted minor devils that I deal with almost daily. I know it doesn't always work, but I feel I'm called to preach. You can't do this job, this way, and expect me to treat you like an admirable human being. Ask them questions to which they do not have a comfortable answer. Sometimes they get inspired.
One last thought--review the contract that says that you have to send this check for endorsement to the new second lienholder. They have a right to be indemnified against a loss. Where does it say that they have a right to endanger you by taking an unreasonable time to release your money? Sometimes what you think is law or a contractual obligation can be satisfied by different procedure that answers the same need--to protect the lienholder against a loss. You can sometimes break rules when you do not do it with intent to defraud. It might not be a bad idea to have a lawyer look over your contract and correspondence to tell you what your exposure might be if, as someone suggested, you just submit the check to your bank for deposit (and the bank probably uses character readers and is not checking for endorsement). You could then send a copy of the check, the bid, and the final payment to the lienholder, along with a picture of you in your water-tight living room, holding a Guiness.
Sounds like Cartouche has some good advice for you (I can tell she lives in our area, too). Head straight for the top - I like her approach very much.
You've got moxie - use it. Hell hath no fury like a woman who's been slammed by a meaningless minion.
Fast forward a few weeks, closing has gone off and I have done the obvious thing and asked the seller who they had the house insured with. I've contacted their insurer and all is ready for the insurance switch. Now the fly-by-night company tries to charge me a fee for switching. LONG story short(er), after a lot of useless talking, reasoning, and explaining which was going nowhere I dug around and found the phone number, not for the company's president but for their General Counsel. That's right, I called the lawyer. Lawyers can be very lawsuit-averse when the suit is pointed at their own company (trust me, I'm a lawyer). After approximately one five-minute phone conversation, the problem was solved. I didn't even need to write a letter. So that's something to think about.
Suggestion two: send the check return receipt, signature required. It doesn't have to be overnight, it just has to require somebody's signature upon receipt, and you get the receipt with the signature back for your records. Ask at the post office. I always do this when I send things to government agencies and other bureaucrats who like to lose (your) important documents.
Best of luck to you, and I'm so sorry you are dealing with this.