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AUGUST 27, 2009 2:06PM

"Patients First" Rally in Jax: Death Panel a No-Show

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An organization called “Patients First” organized a “Hands-Off My Healthcare” rally here in Jacksonville yesterday afternoon. The standing-room-only crowd was primarily comprised of seniors who had been cold-called by the organization. Here’s the video clip from last night’s news broadcast:

 

I would have written this off as yet another southern conservative tea party mess if the means of contacting these folks hadn’t pricked up my ears. “Seniors and others concerned about their health care got emails and phone calls just 24 hours before the rally began.” Yet, there were hundreds of them packed into the room. Just try calling my 70-year-old father and telling him he needs to show up at a rally. He’s mastered the fine art of feeding people their own spleens through phone lines.

This made me wonder, just what is “Patients First?” and how did they get so many ticked off senior citizens in one place so quickly?

Let’s explore…

“Patients First” is an off-shoot of “Americans for Prosperity,” a conservative political advocacy group which split off from the “Citizens for a Sound Economy” group. This split came after some sort of rift arose internally when it was affliated with that group as “Citizens for a Sound Economy Foundation.” Confused yet?

That foundation’s chairman and founder is David Koch, best known as the head honcho of Koch Industries, an oil refining and pipeline company. This would be unsurprising and generally unremarkable, if “Americans for Prosperity” hadn’t been the primary sponsor of the Dallas/Ft. Worth “Tea Party” on February 27, 2009. I have to wonder if all the people at that rally were aware that their little stunt was being funded by people who have a vested interest in selling oil and gas to make their living? Would they have cared? Probably not.

Tim Phillips is the president of "Americans for Prosperity." You may not know his name, but he was Ralph Reed’s former partner in “Century Strategies” – best known as the organization Jack Abramoff was convicted of using to launder money.

“Americans for Prosperity” is also the parent organization of “Patients United Now” (no PUN intended). They are best known for their recent television ads featuring a Canadian woman who came to the U.S. to be treated for a brain tumor after difficulty in her country. It evidently does not matter to the organization that the health care proposals being debated have nothing to do with a single-payer public system like the one that exists in Canada. It also doesn’t seem to mind if non-citizens are treated here in America, as long as they come from the "right" country. If you doubt that statement, imagine a commercial from a conservative group about a Mexican coming to America to get medical treatment.

Back in July 2008, “Americans for Prosperity” hosted the “RightOnline” conference in Texas. This was a conference of right wing bloggers who met to discuss the use of new media for conservative purposes. Evidently, they discussed the use of flash mobs made up of crowds of seniors scared for their grandchildren’s future.

The woman in the video above talks about being “concerned about her grandchildren’s future.”  She has “paid for her own health insurance” and has “been happy with her health insurance.” It is precisely this attitude that should make her afraid for her grandchildren. The past attitudes of, “I’ve got mine so tough for you” are exactly the reason we are in this mess to begin with.

Let’s get this straight and all out on the table. There are already death panels. They are called insurance companies. They decide if you are treated. They decide if you have been treated enough. They decide when, how, where and if you die. They are there for profit and you do NOT get to vote on who represents your interests in their corporation.

Finally, let me point out why so many hundreds of seniors showed up yesterday afternoon in Jacksonville. They do not have to work. The majority of them (statistically) are retired, receive Social Security and RECEIVE MEDICARE.

They probably have no idea that they were *targeted* by this organization at a time and place where there would be little opposition. The rest of us were out trying to keep our houses, pay our insurance premiums and pay for Medicare and other programs like it. Why should I have to pay for it? I should because it's the right thing to do. With record numbers of seniors being forced to return to the workplace due to depleted retirement funds, it's a good thing they have Medicare to fall back on. I guess they should have called the rally, "Hand Off My Health Care."

 

 

 

 

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hmm ... people being manipulated by other people with lots of money so that they can keep making lots of money by getting them to believe the status quo is just peachy and if you don't have what you need to survive, then that's just f'ing too bad dearie--you must be a degenerate socialist.
Ugh.

This kind of crap should be illegal. Really.

It is tantamount to yelling "FIRE!" in a crowded theater.

I don't know what the answer is, but it isn't more of the same thing that got us where we are today.
Good detective work. I wish more people would investigate who pays for ads and programs. It's eye-opening.
bbd - The politics of fear are alive and well. I wonder how many of these folks gave the organization money?

Bill & Gwen - I'm sure there are nasty practices all around. I'm not so naive as to think that the liberal side of this isn't doing some shady crap too. But, these are our mothers and grandmothers being used to get a sound bite because they are afraid. I don't expect this to go without some poo flinging, but if this rattles some cages, at least I tried.

People need to be informed about whose voice they are echoing.
Yikes, I guess we can expect to see more of this type of thing in our cities and towns. Status quo or status who knows, is the dilema we find ourselves in at present. No clear cut path to an answer that would quell the majority and save this country from more and more dissent on quality of life issues. Healthcare will define who we are as a country very soon, I believe. Sure do hope it is resolved and will benefit all tax paying Americans.
This is in such bad taste! I hate that the opposition is so damn well organized!
I think I need to find an appropriate spelling for the screaming that ensues in my head, which feels, at times, like it might explode when I read these things. Otherwise, I'm just left with blue streaks of profanity quietly residing in my comments feed.

Er, I meant to say: Great post, Jodi - this is just another example of the bullshit, and I thank you for writing it - gotta think of some kind of countermeasures, dammit.
Cathy - I think we need to take hard looks at these groups. It's completely fine with me if people want to throw their lot in with such a group - they should just know exactly who it is they are dealing with. The sad part is that they probably don't care. They may even be thrilled to be part of a group looking out for their financial security.

Fab - They have had a lot of practice.

Owl - I appreciate that feat of self-restraint. I feel the same way. I'm such a dirty little hippie that I think everyone getting health care is a splendid idea. I'll expect the jack-booted thugs any moment.
uh, Jod... no one represents the patient's interests in the insurance companies. THAT'S another reason why public health care is better. As imperfect as it is, it is more accountable...

though in the US, since the corporations own the government and democracy is a cruel fraudulent joke, that accountability is pretty minimal.
'ella 'ella 'ella - Many thanks.

Brian - What is this "accountability" you speak of?
Heh, heh, heh, heh, heh . . . "dirty little hippy" . . . me too. That might account for attempted self-restraint. Peace, man!
I would scream "bullshit!" extremely loudly at these deluded people, but really, why would I want to malign bulls who can't help what comes out their heinies?

The majority of Americans want Health Care Reform. What we need to do is discover our VOLUME KNOB. We can win by reason AND volume, but we have to start drowning out the yahoos NOW.

Rated, even though I'm fuming at those who take adavantage of the vulnerable and gullible.
Trying to breathe deeply and lower the blood pressure. Not succeeding, but trying. Really nice job of investigating.
Great information Jodi. Sincere thanks.
I have many patients who are terrified of health reform. Invariably, the are elderly people on Medicare. They don't like the government; yet, they're content with Medicare. Go figure.
i want to be on a Death Panel!

hmmm... i wonder what would happen if we sent an 'undocumented' mexican unwed mother with swine flu to the rally. i wonder how many of these nutjobs could she infect?

oh, gee.. ::cough:: i'm sorry, does your health plan cover swineflu vaccines? ::cough::
Thanks for digging up the dirt Jodi (no, not on that palatial farm of yours!)- it's never even six degrees of separation with these organizations but they try hard to make us think they have pure intentions. I am beyond angry about the health care thing now, I feel wounded and I want more than a bandaid.
Ah yes, the seniors. Seems they are the ones targeted by the right wingnuts. Even Michael Steele got in on it (his op ed and then NPR interview, saving seniors).

At least it is becoming clearer to many where this is coming from and who it is targeting. The biggest issue for Obama I hear is that the young ones that were a catalyst for the young voters are not involved in this health care bill fight. They view it as a poor people or old people issue because most of them are healthy.

Obama needs to get them rolling along to balance out the busloads of oldsters being carted around to these rallies by the groups you talked about.

Great post Jodi - not only are you a great foodie, but a great investigator of rightwing poopy crap too!
I vote for total transparency in advertising, politicking, healthcare, advocacy, everything. Democracy is a fallacy when lies and manipulation are the norm.
I want to know what the community organizer did to prevent this? It's not as if this was gonna be a surprise? I say, our side totally messed up. They got sloppy and they let the others out organize. Shame, shame, shame. We cannot blame them for out organizing us when we sat around hoping and being inspired. I am so pissed about this handling of the healthcare issue.
I think your point is to suggest that this particular meeting as well as other town hall meetings are not as grass roots as they appear. What I find interesting is that argument is being played on both sides. Bill O'Reilly last night--or was it Hannity? They are melding together at this point--harped about the counter-protesters being called up by moveon.org and the Democratic party. There was absolutely no sense of irony when he blasted them for being "astroturf"-based, nor did he even suggest that the original protesters were being accused of the same thing. Alth0ugh that omission amounts to negligent reporting, it's true that both sides are "guilty" of this, if calling up your ideological base is something wrong to begin with. My beef is less about who calls these people up and how and more about the utter lack of information they seem to hold in their collective heads about health care in America. I don't disagree that transparency is a good thing, and I would want to know if the people at moveon, for example, had ties to organizations I didn't already know about. But I know all about moveon, and I think probably a lot of these people know and agree with the organizations behind the protests. I am genuinely interested if anyone on OS knows of a senior (or anyone) who's been duped into protesting under false information. My belief is that these are all the righties who wanted Palin for Pres (McCain was way too liberal), loathe Bill Clinton, and are some degree racist. I could be wrong.

Good one, though, on the realization that seniors have the luxury of attending a daytime rally against big government b/c of their gov't sponsored benefits. That's rich.
Good work. Rated.
But what sort of shady crap do you suppose the liberals are doing too? Spending money to organize folks to spread the truth about our so-called health care system? On this issue at least, there is not a moral equivalency between the two sides.
Healthcare, not warfare!
I agree with Stellaa. I'm uncomfortable railing against protests per se and more than a little frustrated that our side hasn't mustered the enthusiasm for similar boots on the ground. I think the lack of a specific bill has contributed to that, although of course the righties would be crucifying us the way they did the Clintons if we had one.
Thanks for your comments everyone!

I do agree that the health care reform advocates should have been better informed about this event and should be better organized in general.

I hope that information like what I'm providing here can aid in that cause. Please see above comments where I say, "I'm not so naive as to think that the liberal side of this isn't doing some shady crap too. But, these are our mothers and grandmothers being used to get a sound bite because they are afraid."

No one is blaming the seniors here.

In other news, I have 8 p.m. reservations for a restaurant I'm reviewing. I'll be back when I'm done!

Oh, and be excellent to each other!
Nice expose, Jodi. It's depressing as hell how people are being manipulated.
I'm getting really tired of the news not showing any signs or voices that are in favor of the government supported health care. I would like one reporter, who after hearing someone over 65 say they like their healthcare, ask them if they know that Medicare is a Government plan and why aren't they supporting it?
All people have a right to be heard. Political action groups on both sides rally people for their cause. I think the debate needs to be broadened beyond the current idea of "reform" For me I don't want to see larger government or government competing with private business.

What I want to see is the government doing their job with fair regulations that protect both the consumer and the private enterprise that invest their capital and expect a reasonable profit.

So many of our industries like healthcare, energy and automotive have grown so large they control the market not the consumer. This is where government should be involved. The government should be involved in correcting our trade agreements that favor exporting real jobs and replacing them with low wage non benefit jobs. I know many companies who just want a fair playing field so they can build or service their clients, provide a competitive wage and benefits for their employees. It is hard to do when the field favors the few not the many.

At the turn of the century 19th Teddy Roosevelt busted up the trust. Which created a level playing field again. When you have companies like United Health care with control of over 25% of the market it is time to look at the benefits to everyone of maybe leveling the playing field again. It is not socialism it is strengthening capitalism by making the field playable for a many instead of the few. That benefits millions who now have new opportunities to succeed and fail.
A lot of commenters here are making the assumption that these seniors are being duped or manipulated. I ask again if anyone knows this for sure. The seniors I know who were against Obama in the last election are against his current health care guidelines. The seniors I know who voted for Obama are behind him.
You are a muckraker, and I mean that as a high compliment.
Seniors talk about worry about grandchildren should worry more about them in war than in the peace of mind connected to being able to get health care when they need it.

We are taught to be individuals when we are well and in good health, but become part of the herd when we become sick or infirm, even with Medicare. Medicare is never enough. No amount of private insurance is enough.

The question for me is why did Teddy Kennedy understand that every American should think of affordable medical care as a Civil Right, when he was rich. While the lower classes think that health insurace should be limited to them as indiviuals, while the rest of US fellow Americans desever nothing but to send our children and grandchildren off to fight wars to protect the group.

I know that I am miandering but what can you say to people who do not understand that health care in a liberal democracy is a Human Right, not a priviledge.
In case anyone actually took those Patients United Now ads seriously- the Canuck media did some investigation into the woman's story: http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2009/07/31/medicare-ad-exaggeration523.html
Lainey - At no point do I mean to state or imply that these seniors were told that this was a bingo hall with light snacks. They have their stance and I'm not judging them for their politics. They came to that rally because they are concerned about health care. My own parents have their same brand of such views and we manage to not come to fisticuffs.

(Don't you just love that word? ...fisticuffs...)

I do not believe that people on *either* side are fully informed about where the money for these groups comes from or what their monetary and corporate motivations are. None of us will ever know unless we ask the questions. I don't want people to assume they were duped. Unfortunately, that may have been implied by the title on the cover, but that is not my assertion.

But, let me be clear: I don't think anyone told them there would be free puppies. (I would *so* go to that rally.)

For me, this is about motivation. I stated my position, but I also respect the views of others. In regard to health care, there is not a perfect stance that will make everyone happy. Sort of like this post.
Good One Jodi, I find the thread to big oil interesting...this is in the tradition of working folks being manipulating into voting against their own interests. It goes way back, and corporations have made an industry out of it.
To be clear, Jodi, I don't disagree with anything in your post; I was just musing about how both sides are using larger organizations to motivate protesters (something I don't have a problem with) and then calling the other side on astroturfing. When I questioned whether people were being duped, I was genuinely asking. As far as I can see, they are partisans full of hate coming out in droves to protest anything Obama is doing. One of these very types (a tea bagger) just left a message on my machine asking me to go to lunch tomorrow, and I think I might accept. I'd like to know what she's thinking because I truly don't understand these weepy people gnashing their teeth and wailing over the loss of their, sniff sniff, country. WTF? I mean, for one thing, nothing's actually been done yet; for another, all sides have suggested over the last several years that we need health care reform. All of a sudden, we have the best health care in the world? It's truly confounding. In the larger sense--that is, not just for these rallies but for the whole conservative agenda--I agree with Gary's point about people being manipulated somehow to vote against their own self-interests. For Christ's sake, I'm married to a bank VP and have excellent health care while half the grizzled, gun-toting stiffs showing up at the town halls look like they haven't had a decent meal in weeks. The world is upside down. I guess Stellaa's right that the left just hasn't made a clear enough case for the undecideds, if there are any of those at those meetings.
I totally agree. I don't think they have the wool pulled over their eyes about why they are there, I think it's just who they are there *with*. I also am unsure that they would care.

We may not all always agree about how things should change, but I don't understand why anyone would think it is okay for the richest country in the world to continue to allow people to die for want of health care.

It's going to take far greater minds than mine to figure out how to make that case and change people's minds about this. But, I can sure as hell Google and report. That's all the effort that this took. Imagine what someone with some power and access could do...


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side note: I wrote this at 2 p.m. today thinking everyone would go, "Ho-hum. Everyone knows these dudes are behind the curtain you silly girl!"

I'm supposed to be working! So, apologies to everyone I haven't been able to comment to directly. I'm doing a terrible job of tearing myself away from this, though.
This is the same sort of thing that Rachel Maddow has been railing about for weeks and it makes me sick. I can promise that most of those elderly don't realize that they are doing the bidding for the very companies that are responsible for sending so many of them to an early grave. I went to a local town hall a few weeks ago and was blown away by how uninformed the elderly were. I would guess that they comprised about 85% of the audience.
Of course our Republican Representative (Vern Buchanan, a local crook) said nothing to dissuade them. It was a very sickening eye opener.
I smell Richard Viguerie and his direct mail effort, including all the facts that it has gleaned from folks who have answered his political direct mail in the past. They database as much information as they can and when they need a crowd on demand the only discussion his how many zero's are on the check for the mailing or phone list.

Americans have been, and continue to be, such suckers. They are so sucked in now that they won't believe the truth if it hits them in the face because to do so would be to admit their stupidity.
I am dead serious on this. Obama should suspend Medicare benefits for one year. Just suspend them, and watch the chaos. Then take the stage and say "Oh, well hey! I thought the government did a shitty job running health care! I thought you were happy with the PRIVATE sector option?Oh, you want your government option now, you say? Oh reeeeaaaaalllllly?"
Boom! Thank you John Steiner. Americans - in general, now - ARE suckers. Don't get me started. Even when I'm on the road trying to get a burrito at Taco Bell, I'm realizing I am feeding the 'machine,' even as it lets me buy my $1 burrito. Very few people do the research to find out WHO is behind all these groups (even my beloved TB is owned by a most-disgusting corp).

And Stellaa, once again, you hit it - WHERE the hell are those bright-eyed wonders in the White House? The left? We got Obama elected, we HAVE a majority in the Senate, things should start crankin' out on a daily basis that put things right where they were destroyed. But we aren't seeing that. Progressives like me are verrrrry frustrated, and wonder who bought the administration this time.

Thank you Jodi, for putting together a great piece! Rrrrated.
Anytime Dragonlady.

Rachel Maddow has me fired up. She and her producers are doing a bang up job of tying things together. She ** is ** the new "must see TV".
Americans with what they think is health insurance will dismiss this as more whining by the have nots.
fac ut gaudeum... I like you alot. Would you do us all a courtesy and not use a dead language.

We know you're smart. The latin thing seems to tell me I'm short in dead language arts degrees...
@M Todd: You said, "At the turn of the century 19th Teddy Roosevelt busted up the trust. Which created a level playing field again. When you have companies like United Health care with control of over 25% of the market it is time to look at the benefits to everyone of maybe leveling the playing field again. It is not socialism it is strengthening capitalism by making the field playable for a many instead of the few. That benefits millions who now have new opportunities to succeed and fail."
--I find it so interesting that people seem to believe that simply putting more insurance companies out there to compete with the existing ones will solve something. For-profit health insurance will ALWAYS lead to this situation. Neither you nor I "deserve" better health care than someone else.

@Jodi--I like Latin (and other smart things) but I can't translate that and neither can any of the translators I found. Rated anyway.
Good job!

What I don't understand is why the media isn't reporting this, doing precisely what you just did...getting to the bottom of a story, instead of jumping up and down like excited children at a treasure hunt. "lookit what I just found!"
Fac ut gaudeam means, roughly, "Be happy," or "Celebrate," or, possibly the best translation, "Make merry/make joyful." Latin is not a dead language as long as I'm paying 50 large a year for my daughter to learn it.

Jodi, this is really valuable stuff. Since the right wing can't possibly muster the votes to defeat healthcare reform on its merits, they are gaming the system to deform reality. I expect that the death panels meme and "Do you want the government running Medicare?" will be just the start; these are, after all, the people who invented Iraqis throwing babies out of incubators to justify the first Gulf War.
dayna,

This country with a "fair" system of trade creates prosperity for more people over a broader range of social levels. Unfortunately as you go along the strong continue to grow stronger and as a result stagnate innovation and growth. The example of United Health Care is just one example. But yes, when there is real alternatives and competition in a free market that results in better services and products for everyone.


I agree there should be a base level of medical services available to everyone. The poor have healthcare, the elderly have healthcare and those who have insurance have healthcare. The problem is the working poor and many small business are being shut out of the healthcare system because of the control of a few very large providers who have used their influence to control the very government that should be protecting the citizens.

To answer your question should one have better healthcare than someone else. Yes and no. Fact is the rich always have better even in countries with universal health. This country provides a base of care. It could and should be better, but nothing is equal and never will be. Most Americans don't want equal they want fair. The system of risk and reward has always served the greater good than equal.
I agree with Bill S.

This kind of crap should be illegal. OOPS!!! Would that include unions and community organizers? Just asking.
As a Canadian, the whole argument against providing basic healthcare to all citizens completely confounds me. ::gah::
Good morning!

First, a word about Latin. It amuses me to bump with a Latin quote. Not every time, but most days, I enjoy saying things like "If catapults are outlawed then only outlaws will have catapults" in Latin.

"Fac ut gaudeam"

Fac - a really basic root meaning "make" or "do." (Think facilitate)

ut - root meaning that, them, they, both

gaudeam - rejoice, happy

So, Floyd gets the cookie (and anything else he wants - he's on my freebie list).

I don't do this to make anyone feel uneducated or lost. I never took Latin - I just read too much. Nothing tickles me more than current phrases turned into Latin: "Things go better with Coke" or yesterday's "Shit Happens."

As for the topic at hand -
::cough::
I completely understand where both sides are coming from. I think the current system is broken and I'm one of the lucky ones that has insurance.

As M Todd says, there are people who fall through the cracks. We are creating an economic class of people who would have been solidly middle class had they not been cleaned out by a health care problem. That isn't good for America because those people can't spend money or pay mortgages when they are trying to pay medical bills, even though they had insurance.

For me, this goes beyond this particular issue. People should be asking who has the motive to form these committees and groups. We should ALL be asking where the money comes from and who is backing the causes we are putting ourselves behind.

It bothers me that people, especially seniors, are being made to be afraid in the name of furthering a political agenda while they accept government assistance. I'm not saying they shouldn't get Medicare. My own parents get Medicare. I'm just wondering where the line is. If we believe we should take care of the medical needs of the very poor and our seniors, why shouldn't we take care of everyone?

I would rather pay more taxes than $26 for a single Tylenol at a hospital. We are already paying. I say let's do it honestly and thoughtfully so that we can make the whole country better.

I don't think that anyone forming any group should be illegal, but we should all take 30 seconds to Google who is serving the tea.

Kumbaya.
These events are all staged and designed to exploit the fears of senior citizens. Senior citizens are filled with fear that they will lose their Medicare coverage so that other citizens of this country can see a doctor without going bankrupt. And sadly the fear tactics of the Republican Party are working. In addition to this, many senior citizens are plain selfish. Many of these senior citizens are drawing both pensions and social security while many of the working age citizens simply struggle to find a minimum wage job. Today's seniors are busting this country. Not that they are not entitled to it, but by their own ignorance that they are unable to see how much of a burden average working class families are shouldering. Today's average worker has no pension, little savings, and stands to inherit a mountain of debt. Wake up seniors! Today's average workers are your children and grand children!
@Kenneth, you're blaming seniors?

Seniors didn't create Medicare. Seniors didn't make Medicare go billions of dollars in debt. Seniors were forced to pay into a system that the government couldn't manage very well.
Great info and I totally agree.

pet bird supplies
Speaking of thinly veiled commercial interests...
Pet bird supplies? Why would I want to...Ohhhhhh
As they say, follow the money...excellent post. Thank you.