Back when I was still a Mormon, I was considered something of a rebel. No, not because I drank coffee or had an earring. I was a rebel, because I (duh-duh-duhhhh) voted Democrat.
During the Obama campaign, I had an elderly gentleman in the church approach me.“Don’t you know you can’t be a good Mormon if you vote Democrat?” he teased.
I shrugged. “Yeah, I know, I’m odd – actually wanting to do the thing that Jesus said to do about the poor and the sick.”
Even though I was an “in closet atheist” for a decade, I still felt the ideas of Jesus were powerful ones that could change the world. It just makes sense: if you took care of the “least of these”, then the entire society would have a safety net for its citizens. Which meant that if I or someone I cared about was in trouble, we’d get support. If some of my income went to support someone else, that was fine – it was just the decent thing to do. I saw the results in Canada, England, France, Germany – it seemed that every nation that did the “Christian thing” (ironically having higher number of atheists than the United States[1]) did well economically, socially, financially, so on and so forth.
During the last year, as I’ve been going from one church to another, I’ve interviewed ministers and imams and swamis about their religion. One of the question I’ve asked is:
I’ve gone to each church and asked: “What are the important things people should be doing?” If I go to an Islamic service, they say “Help the poor, the sick, and the needy.” If I go to the Catholics, I get the same answer. If I go to the humanists, the same answer. I don’t think that anyone so far has told me much otherwise. But when I look at our society at large, we do a really bad job at all of those.If everyone really believed we should be helping the homeless, we wouldn’t have any. If we really believed we should be helping the sick, I wouldn’t encounter people who have cancer and can’t pay for it.
We spend our time arguing about whether we should put the Ten Commandments in a courthouse or not, or whether gay people should get married or not. We spend so much time arguing about our differences, instead of doing the thing we all agree we should be doing. Why is that?
At the core of this question is usually regarding the status of health care in the United States. Why can’t we get religions to work in establishing universal health care in the United States? Heck, even if they don’t want to turn it over to the government, how many times do we see mega-churches built over hospitals? Which would make God happier – another gold plated roof, or seeing that money go to provide medical care for humanity?
When I interviewed Larry Hillman of the Tampa Faith Life Church and asked why we couldn’t seem to do what Jesus said, his reply was:
Well, if you notice when Jesus was here, he never had a fund raiser for the poor. He never went around telling slaves they should be set free. Jesus never told the Roman government how they treated the Jewish people.Now, that being said, Jesus didn’t like that people were poor, Jesus didn’t think people should be slaves, Jesus thought government should be a good government and not treat people poorly. But Jesus focused on the most important thing you can do for a person: change the inside of that person.
I keep thinking about this statement. I read the New Testament, and yes, Jesus did tell people to be nice to each other. Yet, he also spent much of his time healing without any preaching or reward. When he healed the 10 lepers, there was no preaching first:
Luke 17:11-19 (King James Version)11And it came to pass, as he went to Jerusalem, that he passed through the midst of Samaria and Galilee.
12And as he entered into a certain village, there met him ten men that were lepers, which stood afar off:
13And they lifted up their voices, and said, Jesus, Master, have mercy on us.
14And when he saw them, he said unto them, Go shew yourselves unto the priests. And it came to pass, that, as they went, they were cleansed.
Or what of the woman with the “issue of blood”? Again, no preaching – just healing:
Mark 5:25-34 (King James Version):25And a certain woman, which had an issue of blood twelve years,
26And had suffered many things of many physicians, and had spent all that she had, and was nothing bettered, but rather grew worse,
27When she had heard of Jesus, came in the press behind, and touched his garment.
28For she said, If I may touch but his clothes, I shall be whole.
29And straightway the fountain of her blood was dried up; and she felt in her body that she was healed of that plague.
30And Jesus, immediately knowing in himself that virtue had gone out of him, turned him about in the press, and said, Who touched my clothes?
31And his disciples said unto him, Thou seest the multitude thronging thee, and sayest thou, Who touched me?
32And he looked round about to see her that had done this thing.
33But the woman fearing and trembling, knowing what was done in her, came and fell down before him, and told him all the truth.
34And he said unto her, Daughter, thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace, and be whole of thy plague.
There were no lectures before the healing, no discouragements of her actions. Just being healed.
I encountered the same attitude when I interviewed Mr. J. T. Smith of the Tampa Church of Christ when I asked the same question. First he acknowledged that part of the problem were number of mentally ill people who were homeless. Then he said this:
Just a lot of people on the street who are just bums. And when we hand out to them and hand out to them, we just encourage them in what they’re doing. And so, we ought to talk to them about a job, how to get a job…I agree with you say and what the Lord said, that … “you did it not unto the least of these my brethren you do it not unto me.” So we should do good, as I think the fact that he said “brethren” there – I think that involves something other than just a common ordinary people…
The best thing we can do for a person is teach a person the Gospel and get him to accept the teachings of the Bible, he’ll work…rather than trying to depend on someone else.
Later on, Mr. Smith mentioned that it used to be that when you gave someone charity, they’d get a sermon to go along with it. Now, when you have the government do it, they could get the benefits without the moral lesson. I don’t want to paint either of these men as bad men. I respected both of them for their dedication. As I sat in Pastor Hillman’s office, I saw him taking care of his grandson and fielding calls from people addicted to drugs looking for help. Mr. Smith was very pleasant – but both of them (and other ministers I’ve run into) seemed to feel that the solution to the problem with hunger and sickness was “Teach Jesus, and people will fix themselves.”
Again, it’s an answer that I don’t see from Jesus’s teachings. When I interviewed Reverend Roy W. Williams of College Hill Mennonite Church, the attitude was different. As I’ll write later in detail about his church, they are into service. They started in Tampa to serve the community, to work to reduce crime and provide services to the population.
Yet at the same time, there’s an air of hopelessness about their work. An attitude that since the world is broken, you know your work is in vain. Reverend Williams brought up that his religious belief that the world will only be fixed when the events in Revelations comes true and God fixes the world. It doesn’t matter what humans do, it’s going to come to naught. Though he believed that it is through service that one will enter Heaven– in the end, it’s just not going to work.
This same attitude came from other churches, such as my visit to the Jehovah’s Witnesses where I heard this:
Here’s the whole thing about it. We see the limitations of men, even good men. You mentioned the health care problem. How many times does something that might benefit someone… get hung up in politics. Well meaning people try to do something, but then even if its done – look at the great advances we’ve had in health care, but is it available to the world. See, we look at it this way. 1st John, the 5th chapter tells us the whole world is under the power of the wicked one… No matter what goes on in this system of things, it’s only going to get so good.
So we have plenty of reasons for churches not to support health care reform, or the government taking over providing services for people. Either because “the world is evil so you can’t fix it if you try”, or “if you can’t deliver a sermon along with the service, then it’s just not good enough.”
I can’t stress enough that these people I met were hard working people who put their hearts into their service. And yet – I couldn’t help but feel the hopelessness. Rather than trying to fix the structures that kept people poor and sick, they would just apply Band-Aids to the problems.
Sure, you could feed a homeless person here, maybe rally enough funds to treat a sick person there. But try to fix the fundamental problems that allow 1% of the population to have as much income as the other 90% of the population? It's not like we're asking that everyone have a gold plated toilet - just a place to sleep for the night, some food, a doctor to treat them when they're sick.
That’s not to say that every religion I interviewed felt the same way. Reverend Moss of Unity Church, or Swami Ishtananda of the Vedanta Center of St. Petersburg, Humanists all believed that that things could and will get better.
It seems that religions with an apocalyptic view of the world would serve people, but they felt that their efforts would be in vain. In the end, from their view, since the world was broken, you just can’t fix the problems. So in the end, why even try. It's like when Jesus said "the poor will always be with you", they took that as not a sad state of the world, but a mandate that could never be overcome.
It’s an attitude I honestly can’t accept. It’s an attitude of defeatism. And, not to be offensive, but the view of “Preach Jesus, and that’ll fix it!” just doesn’t seem to work. Neither does despair that you really can’t fix anything anyway.It just strikes me funny, because if Christian ministers look at their own scriptures in Matthew 25, the message is clear:
Matthew 25:34-40 (King James Version)34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
It’s not “you preached unto them”, it’s not “you waited for me to come fix it”, it’s not “you told people to use their bootstraps”. It’s “you feed people, you clothed people, you tended to people’s hurts. That is what good people do.”
Plenty of countries seem to have solved this problem. It strikes me as more than a little sad that the United States, for all of its proclaimed religious beliefs, can’t seem to do more than “Well, it just can’t be solved.” And that their religious beliefs are the reason why they can’t seem to make a Heaven on Earth.
[1] http://ec.europa.eu/public_opinion/archives/ebs/ebs_225_report_en.pdf


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But I genuinely appreciate what you have to say. I think you are on the right track. But you might wanna widen your lens.
Actually, I had interviews with other groups that would be considered "liberal" (Unity, Church of Religious Science, Unitarian, Society of Friends, etc).
I highlighted these specifically because they are of the attitude I don't understand: they believe in Jesus, but when it comes to doing what Jesus *said to do* to help the poor, the sick, the needy, the attitude is either "They should learn about Jesus and they'll be fixed", or "The End is coming so why bother?"
Maybe I'll write another article about "religions that *do* believe."
A touching, heartfelt sermon!
It's funny that I'm going to more churches now as an atheist than when I was still on the "believer" lists - and I never thought about this as a sermon ;). Maybe I'll have to store it away sometime if I ever officially join the Humanists or something ;).
Have some Pentecostal guys coming later this week, to do some (paid) construction/repair work for me. They're lovely people, work like hell - but the head guy keeps putting in applications to churches to go be a minister (a useless occupation IMO) and quit doing what is useful and helpful and what he does well - not charity work in this case, but useful work for keeping the society together (and a roof over MY head!)
Thanks for an extremely thoughtful post and for the research and heart that went into it.
Like Maslow many religious denominations have their own hierarchy of needs. This is especially evident in the Christian denominations where, as you encountered, the highest priority is change from within.
This, unfortunately, can lead to placing the more immediate and pressing physical needs of the impoverished in a second class category where it can be more easily, but not necessarily willfully, neglected.
Those who oversee congregations on a weekly basis have such power to influence and affect change in their communities in regard to these vital issues you have addressed.
It’s grievous to know that physical needs are sometimes met primarily for the sake of attempting to convert those cared for.
If the charitable act is motivated by a true heart - empathetic toward meeting the pressing physical needs - that would be the best evidence there might be something worthy to consider in the faith rather than having the motive of using needs toward furthering that goal.
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I have written some posts on OS and elsewhere about mountain top removal mining in Southern Appalachia, and the incredible devastation it causes--environmental,the poisoning of streams and the land, shaking people's homes off their foundations, flooding, excessive cancer rates, and all that. One conspicuous note: not one word abut it from any of the national mainstream chrches. Of course we hear about homosexuality and abortion ad nauseam. But when do we hear about caring for the sick and homeless? Never.
In my meditational practice, I remewmber a coupleof quotes:
"Give up the search for salvation, it is selfish."
"Give up the search for wealth, it is demeaning."
The source? St Benedict.
It's too bad that the church won't listen to its own saints.
and now i am going to go read your previous posts.
thank you, again, for such a thoughtful post.
http://open.salon.com/blog/blue_in_tx/2009/11/01/glen_beck_is_an_idiot_idiocy_has_consequences
Beyond that, and somewhat invisibly, is the participation of their parishioners in every helping organization in this community. When we have ecumenical services, I can look out over the congregation and see the board members of hospice, the homeless shelter, the senior-citizen agency, the domestic violence prevention/response group, the youth mentoring programs, Habitat for Humanity, the community foundation, and so on. I can also see the owners of the local businesses that contribute tremendous amounts toward those and other causes.
My own congregation, in a different town, commits to spend as much on helping ministries in its community as it does on its own programs. Because of the makeup of that community, 85 percent of that money is spent on food and shelter needs, with the remainder on after-school care for latchkey kids whose parents work in other communities. Those programs have no religious component except our presence, and there are no religious tests for participation.
Those who don't belong to faith communities or participate in religious events may not see that perspective, and so may believe that the faithful are not doing much in the community because members of the congregations (not all of them Christian, I might add) are participating individually, out of their own faith and calling, rather than en masse wearing church t-shirts.
As for no mainline denomination emphasizing such ministries, I can only say that mine does. For example, our General Assembly last year strongly supported single-payer health care for all.
Regarding health care, one last point. For many years, across much of the United States, hospitals were built and run mostly by religious organizations, most often Catholic or Presbyterian. It may not be coincidental that during those years, health care was far more affordable than it is now under our corporatized system.
@kmbearden: Link away! I don't mind at all. I'm glad to have helped.
@myriad: I'll have to check that out (I just got back from lunch break)
@High Lonesome: I see what you mean, and I agree: there is a difference between what the individuals of a faith do, and of course what the faith itself engages in.
The main issue I have is with religions that have their Stated Beliefs, versus their Action Beliefs. For example, in many of these faiths I mentioned, they certainly believe in "helping people" - the Stated Belief. But from the faith's own perspective, they encourage their members to actively spend their time on other things - the Action Belief.
Take the LDS church (Mormons), of which I'm very personally aware of. If each church member has an average of 5-6 hours of time they spend at or on church duties, how is that time spent? Odds are (and I speak from experience) 90% is in actively encouraging and promoting the dogma of the church - though Home Teaching (visits by men to families to spread the official church message and check up on families), Visiting Teaching (same thing with women), youth events, etc. Then you have the 2 years for young men (and women if they choose) spreading the gospel.
Maybe 1 day in the month is spent actively engaged in service to the community from a church perspective. Sure, the Stated Belief is "those that help the poor, the sick, the needy is important" - but based on the actions that they encourage their members to participate in, the Action Beliefs are "dogma and evengelical work."
Compare this to the works of, say, a Society of Friends. Very little dogma to deal with, but members are encouraged to do things that actively help the community or the world to promote peace. The Stated Beliefs (help the poor/sick/need) match up with how they spend their *time* on Action Beliefs.
Then you have the religions that, as I stated above, actually tell members "missionary work is more important than helping people." Of course, this is couched in "missionary work will fix the problems that these people suffer from".
Like I said, I agree - there is a difference between what the religion does, and what the individuals do in their own time that is encouraged by the religion. I mainly focused here on the religions that *don't* encourage their members to actually fix the problems plaguing humanity, but install a feeling of hopelessness that the problems are too big to solve without God just doing it for us.
You write:
“Even though I was an “in closet atheist” for a decade, I still felt the ideas of Jesus were powerful ones …”
One point regarding the above statement; most of the ideas Jesus supposedly advocated were ideas that had been around for centuries before he supposedly came along.
Regarding some religious worldviews, you write:
“…the world will only be fixed when the events in Revelations comes true and God fixes the world.”
…and later:
“I couldn’t help but feel the hopelessness.”
Is hopelessness, regarding the present, not one of the primary tenets upon which most religion is based? Organized religion, as a concept, seems to stand in opposition to teachings attributed to Jesus. Their hypocrisy is so obvious that it is astounding that so many people still do not recognize it.
Perhaps it should not be so astounding, though, since another primary tenet of most religions, in general, and definitely of the major religions in America, is that an individual is not capable of thinking for oneself, that everyone, except the supposedly all-knowing clergy, requires guidance and is incapable of moral behavior without the premise of gods and punishment. And, again, that premise also seems predicated upon a form of hopelessness.
This may seem like a bit of shameless self-promotion, but this older post of mine actually dovetails very nicely with this one: Is Religion Essential to Society?
In essence, religion is really just a childish clinging to belief in belief, as evidenced by some of the comments in which some run to the pointless defense of religious belief in response to your post. The overarching point you make -- that it is these particular religious adherents who oppose the helping of the fellow man -- seems to evade them. But beyond that, “organized religion” has always been a movement for political control, and it invades political systems much like a virus invades our bodies, thereby poisoning and weakening society. Regarding the “hopelessness” promoted by many of these belief systems, there are actually many who look forward to the so-called Armageddon that should end the world. There are even those who work toward that end.
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