"How did we get to the point where we needed to have a foreign goverment look into the possibility of human rights violations by our own?"

It started on September 12, 2001 John and the wrong people in wrong places of power.

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Hate to say it Greg, but that only covers us until January of this year.

I an well aware that if the DoJ were looking into this I wouldn't be on the short list of people that they would tell (at least I hope I'm not). I'm not saying that there necessarily need to be prosecutions, or even that the investigation need be the public airing of a truth commission, but a little "we are investigating and if laws have been broken, there will be public trials" would go a long way.

I seem to remember during the "Bill couldn't keep it in his pants" soap opera there was a popular line that while no man was above the law, likewise no man was beneath it. It looks more and more like we not only have "too big to fail", we have "too big to investigate".

What really horrified me was some liberals seemed to kind of get in the swing of torture--like this is the only time in history when someone proposed it.

How did we get to the point where we needed to have a foreign goverment look into the possibility of human rights violations by our own?

This is my single biggest disappointment in the Obama administration. Sure, in the short term it may be pragmatically a reasonable choice, but this is an important ethical question that will hang over America's head until we address it head on, if we ever do. What actually went on? And can guilty parties be brought to justice?

Funny. My biggest disappointment with Obama is that he is continuing the criminal activities of the Bush regime. Namely renditions, torture, unlawful incarcerations, and illegal wars.

If only the Spanish had had the cojones to include Bush and Cheney. monkey fingered.

And just think, as it comes out that Obama is allowing the torture to go on he can be tried in Spain as well!

On a lighter note, you have an adorable avatar.

Ditto what BBE said. It's not "probably" the Obama admin won't cooperate. They absolutely won't co-operate. They are carrying on the horrors under Bush and Cheney, only renaming it. And for that we're supposed to be glad and go to sleep!

Thank you Myriad. In real life Boris is a little tyrant with a tennis ball. If he brings it to you ad you don't throw it for him, he barks at you until you do, or you toss it to someone else for him to badger. His sister, Natasha is a terror with squirrels and attempts to keep him in line.

Yes, the lack of interest by the current Administration in getting to the bottom of the possibility of serious human rights violations is disappointing to say the least. I really think that permanent damage is being done for temporary advantage.

These actions were approved, or at least condoned by both parties, so nobody sees an advantage in pursuing it because the blade will cut both ways. It's something the pols would like to see buried quickly and deeply, figuring that if nobody mentions it, it'll go away.

It won't of course. It will just incubate and pop up somewhere else later in a more virulent form, a political tertiary syphilis.

I don't have high expectations, either, sadly. And it is truly depressing that we are still not doing the right thing. C'mon Obama! Do the right thing, dammit.

Miracle Whip or Hellman's. Some people just think it's all mayonnaise. Until they say, "this sandwich tastes funny". By then, it's too late.

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