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Immigrant from Southern California (the land of fruits and nuts) to Southeast Texas (where men are men and so are some of the women). Musician, songsmith, poet, short story author (no I'm not unemployed) sometime liberal - sometime conservative, white male (does that disqualify me?) thinker of deep thoughts, surf cowboy. Mayor of a small town in Texas (really!).

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AUGUST 14, 2009 2:20PM

The Poor Have Earned Universal Health Care

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I attended a town hall meeting last night in Beaumont Texas.  The event was sponsored by the same folks who sponsored the, so-called, tax opposition tea parties in this area. While the event was billed as “non-partisan,” the featured speaker was U.S. House Rep., Republican Ted Poe.  

On a positive note, I didn’t see any Obama placards with Hitler moustaches painted on them.  And, the crowd (200 or so people) was fairly well behaved.  However, Rep. Poe, an opponent of health care reform, and by the way a staunch Bush/Iraq war supporter, did nothing to clarify or dispel any of the crazy rumors floating around about the subject at hand.  

Early on in the presentation, the main speaker, leader of the tea party people, said that one thing he’d like everyone to agree on is that health care is a privilege not a right.  This assertion was greeted with resounding applause.  More that all the other rhetoric this “assumption” disturbed me the most.   

I often listen to Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity on conservative talk radio and the health care, privilege vs. right  theme is a frequent topic.  People can start health savings accounts, they say. Many of the uninsured simply choose not to buy health insurance, they say.  Why should we (read responsible Americans) subsidize those who are simply irresponsible, they ask.  And, they assert, that health care is something that one must earn through hard work.  That health care is a luxury and is owed to no one.  That our parents and grandparents came to this country and no one offered them anything free.  The poor, they say, don’t even pay taxes; they don’t deserve tax dollars going to support their health care. 

To this, I say...Whoa, whoa, whoa, not so fast.  The poor, especially the working poor, do pay taxes.  In fact, because most taxes are not based on income the poor pay a far greater percentage of their income in taxes than either the rich or the middle-class. Some of them are paid indirectly through property owners and others but the poor pay them nonetheless. 

Here is a sampling of taxes paid by “all” Americans: 

From www.goodcitizen.org 

 

Accounts Receivable Tax

          Passed on from businesses 

Building Permit Tax 

         Passed on from landlords

CDL license Tax

          Passed on from suppliers

Cigarette Tax

Corporate Income Tax 

         Passed on from corporations

Court Fines (indirect taxes)

Dog License Tax

Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)

Fishing License Tax

Food License Tax

          Passed on from suppliers

Fuel permit tax

          Passed on from suppliers

Gasoline Tax (42 cents per gallon)

Hunting License Tax

Inventory tax

           Passed on from suppliers

IRS Interest Charges (tax on top of tax)

IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)

Liquor TaxLocal Income Tax

          Generally more likely paid than Fed income tax

Luxury Taxes

Marriage License Tax

Medicare Tax

Property Tax

          Passed on from landlords

Septic Permit Tax

          Passed on from landlords

Service Charge Taxes

Social Security Tax

Road Usage Taxes (Truckers)

          Passed on from suppliers

Sales Taxes

Road Toll Booth Taxes

School Tax

State Income Tax

          Generally more likely paid than Fed income tax

State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)

Telephone federal excise tax

Telephone federal universal service fee tax

Telephone federal, state and local surcharge taxes

Telephone minimum usage surcharge tax

Telephone recurring and non-recurring charges tax

Telephone state and local tax

Telephone usage charge tax

Toll Bridge Taxes

Toll Tunnel Taxes

Traffic Fines (indirect taxation)  

Trailer registration tax

Utility Taxes

Various state, local and federal excise taxes

Vehicle License Registration Tax

Vehicle Sales Tax

Well Permit Tax

Workers Compensation Tax

 

 Additionally, most of our nation’s doctors, nurses, and other health care providers get their education through state supported colleges and universities. 

 These same health care providers, medical clinics, hospitals and the like receive the protection and support of police and fire departments, city and county road maintenance and construction departments, water and sewage districts, state National Guard units and a sundry of other services without which they could not operate. All these services funded in large part through local taxes. 

And, as far as having earned health care goes, consider:

Much of our food is harvested and prepared by the poor.  Our trash and recycling is hauled off by the poor.  The poor get our messes cleaned up and our hotel sheets changed and our cars washed. They get our coal out of the ground and our litter off the roads.  They work the most menial, physically demanding, mind numbing, dreary, body wracking, dirtiest, nastiest jobs in our society.  And, if they pay little or no Federal income tax on these wages, it is only because the wages for such grueling work are so low that they don’t raise the recipient above the poverty level. 

Not to mention that our military, which defends our liberty with their lives, is populated, especially in the lower ranks, by patriots, many of whom are poor. 

And when it’s all said and done, and we have used them for our own devices until we can use them no longer, we still ask the poor for one more thing: to dig a hole and bury us in the ground. 

I’m sorry but in my humble opinion the poor have earned at least the basic human right (yes, I said human “right”) of affordable health care.

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Yes, yes, yes, yes, and yes. All the above. Great post, just great.

Rated.
Coming from a country where universal health care has been a life-long reality for me, I'm afraid I cannot understand the mindset of those who see this as a bad thing. I think that the founding principle of all men being created equal has been eroded over time to the point where this notion is now considered scurrilous, if not downright heretical. I'm afraid I can't even begin to see how such a fundamental problem can be corrected...
I much agree and appreciate your well-reasoned argument. I hope that others read it and see the wisdom.
I am stunned to hear that there are people who think health care is not a basic human right. That explains a lot right there.
I am clapping as loud as I can here.
I have heard the same damn thing here in Georgia.
I still can't believe my country has no Medicare for its citizens, when every other developed country in the world does.
I like that list of taxes, John. It is a good list.
Thanks to all of you for reading and rating. It is stunning to me that such a fundamental need is seen as a luxury. I don't understand these people, they're too poor to be republicans!!!
John,
In a word--outstanding! This is the premise on which Pres. Obama is working. Access to health care via health insurance is a basic right much like the right to public education or public utilities. And I am troubled by those who would deny this basic right to the people you describe as well as many others who make more but find the burden increasingly onerous--or those who can no longer get insurance through an employer and must get their own hoping and praying that they can pass the underwriting.
Thanks for this post. It 's terrific.
Walter: I have so much respect for you that I feel honored you are reading my post. Thank you!
Something that never gets mentioned in the healthcare debate is that the uninsured are paying for everybody else's insurance, not just through taxes (58% of health care costs in this country are borne dirclty by the taxpayer) but also because the reason institutions can pay health insurance for their "benefits-eligible" employees is because they are balancing their budgets on the backs of the workers who are NOT eligible for benefits -- the army of temps, contractors, consultants, freelancers, adjunct faculty members, and "part-timers" who often work longer hours than the "full-timers."

See my post, "Blaming the uninsured."

http://open.salon.com/blog/xylocopa/2009/03/05/blaming_the_uninsured
Great point, Patrick. And the link to you post is well worth the read. Thanks.
Great post!! Excellent point of view. I so totally agree with you on this.
John Walker, I take back my post this morning--YOU should marry me, not Jon Stewart.

YOU ARE THE MAN. This is EXACTLY what I've been saying all along about why the "privelege" claim pisses me off so badly. Thank you so much!
Thank you, Fireeyes. Always a pleasure to hear from you.

Dayna: That was't exactly a proposal, but I'm considering it anyway. I'm such a sucker for redheads!
Oh, and blondes and brunettes
Excellent post John--thanks for taking the time to pull together that enormous list of taxes!

Seems as though we need to rethink what the word "poor" means.
Thanks for the rating and comments, Spotted. I can't, however, take credit for the taxes list. It was compiled by www.goodcitizen.org.
This is a strong post. I've seen passion in your creative posts, and now I see tenacity of mind. Good work John Walker!
Thank you scupper. You're very sweet.
read your blog best one so far how anyone can disagree with national healthcare for everyone is beyond me ,being british and living with the national health system i have never failed to be treated by the best doctors and surgeons out there all free of charge ,the cost is a small no tiny national insurance payment out of your wages every week everyone pays the same.we dont call it tax we pay tax seperatly and if you become unemployed the government give you national insurance credits while your unemployed just so your state pension is"nt effected aswell.once again great blog
John, the truth you write is sooo damn obvious! It IS a human right. Wish these idiots had to go without insurance for a year or so....they have no idea the difficulties "poor" folks face every day!
Thank you for this!
dogroxy: Thanks for reading. You really need to do a post from the perspective of the British patient. So many Americans are buying into the notion that nationalized health care will cause long lines and rationing.

Thank you Flamingo. Spread the word
Johnny read my blog NHS for everyone not just the rich.hope it helps .cheers roxydog(mark)
I agree with Wordsmith, who said, "Coming from a country where universal health care has been a life-long reality for me, I'm afraid I cannot understand the mindset of those who see this as a bad thing." I don't know if he or she is from the same country as me - there's lots of them with decent health care for all citizens. In fact, the U.S. is perhaps the only industrialized country without - at least it's the most notable. We fortunate citizens of other countries can only shake our heads at the spectacle...
On another note, consider the amount of manpower lost, creativity stifled, options nullified, because of health insurance that comes from an "employer" and the absence of portability. Health care shouldn't come from employers. Period. It is an intrinsically flawed concept that doesn't work! Maybe it sort of did 60 years ago, but back then, a MAN graduated from high school or college and was employed for his entire lifetime. Well, that was the way it was for many millions. It's a different world now.

The dark side of capitalism is selfishness. The Great Depression of the 30s exposed this in the worst possible way and ushered in reforms such as social security and unemployment insurance. Dark forces have always sought to rescind these,forces that are surely driven by the wealthy and entitled whose desire for more for themselves is only equalled by their fear of anything for those who have less.
Amen.

Having been born and raised in Houston, I remember when Ted Poe was a judge. Once I even sat on his jury. He was a decent judge at the time but always made his fundamentalist Christian views known outside of the courtroom. I can't help but wonder how Christian it is to push for war and to prevent needy people from having access to healthcare? Are these the values of Christ? For that matter, why aren't ministers and priests on the front lines ensuring the poor get access to healthcare?

I had left the state by the time he was elected to office and knew we were going to see his true colors come out even stronger. It is heartwrenching to know that this is what passes as discourse regarding an issue. I wonder how Ted Poe feels about his own taxpayer funded insurance? I'm going to bet he feels pretty lucky to have it. The hypocrisy is amazing.

Thank you for writing this.
Rated.
Rennaisiance: "Are these the values of Christ? For that matter, why aren't ministers and priests on the front lines ensuring the poor get access to healthcare?"
I have so wondered this myself. It would seem that the churches have moved to the far right on this any many other issues. I guess the poor don't fill the collection plates as full as the rich
I with you on that, Myriad.

Ablonde: Great point about manhours lost messing with insurance. And yes, perhaps more importantly, creativity lost.
Amen, John. I am beyond disgusted at this point. Sarah Palin sits up there and squawks about how Obama's imaginary "death panels" shouldn't be making life and death decisions based on productivity and earning potential, but at the same time refuses to acknowledge the need for the poor to have health insurance. It is schizophrenic. Sadly I think we will end up with the health insurance the mass of idiots in this country believe we deserve. I imagine the next item on the Republican agenda will be workhouses and debtor's prisons.
Great post! Food for fodder and you wrote it very well! Health care should definitely not be considered a luxury, it's a vital necessity!
This is well-said and deserves much attention. I don't understand how anyone with ethics (and definitely those who pretend to be Christians) think you have to EARN healthcare. You deserve to be able to go to a doctor. You could literally lose your life because you aren't able to get early screenings. What's more, I know working and middle class people who can't get an MRI, for example, when it is recommended because their insurance doesn't cover it. Many necessary businesses don't have the money for great insurance, yet we need people willing to do these jobs and willing to take the crappy insurance that comes with them.

It seems some will only learn when they lose their own jobs or when they have a huge illness and get dropped by their insurers.
Amen. According to the likes of Hannity & O'Reilly, et al... I'm one of those scum sucking losers who should have never even gotten my house. It's really f*king puke inducing, pardon my french, that they are even aloud to speak on public TV. I have worked my ass off all my life, struggled to get through college while raising two kids and got caught in the line of fire by predatory lenders... leading me to have to refinance twice, balloon mortgage, preposterous interest rates and all the other bullsh*t that these assholes call "free enterprise." They have no f*king clue what life really is. Great post JW.
This was linked in a comment on another blog. Very relevant. Rated for a great post, and for a point of view I had not thought about in depth before (taxes paid by the poor).

I find those who think that healthcare is a privilege repugnant. So, janitors, maids, waiters, laborers, low-level local government employees...they don't deserve healthcare because their circumstances did not allow for better education and qualifications? What about doctors who work for non-profits and make squat? What about nurses and aides? What next, are we going to have to show our college degrees in order to get care?

I posted a series on UHC recently, detailing the problems with the current system, how to implement single-payer UHC, how to control costs and how to pay for the whole thing without raising the cost to citizens. The series is on my blog,

http://open.salon.com/blog/sickofstupid
Universal Highway System, Universal Justice System, Universal Postal System are the three main components of a wealthy and prosperous society. The better those three function, the more wealth can be accumulated in such a society. They are essential to free enterprise and commerce. In order for a society to function, those three systems must be funded. As shown in the above post, they are funded by the middle and lower classes. They are funded by usage fees. But they are built in, indirectly, such as gas, stamps, property taxes. Police, Fire&Rescue or an Ambulance will be provided to anyone within the boundries of this country, even if they never owned property, a car or paid any other taxes. Is that subsidized Emergency Assistance? Or is that part of a social contract between the Goverment and the People. The Goverment promises certain benefits and protections to all within its borders. As for those who are against BIG Goverment, trying cutting off your addiction to it, dont use paved roads, dont use any social or emergency services, infact dont read any mail, even if its your favorite magazine, it was subsidized through the Goverment Post System. Dont want none of that welfare state, do we. In fact, if you are reading this... the Internet was developed in a Goverment sponsored lab and it is run and regulated through goverment grants and subsidies....