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Jon Henner

Jon Henner
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MARCH 18, 2009 4:40PM

The Family Jewels

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Hellspawn is at a time in his life when he wants to meet new, and interesting things, and destroy them.  While before we allowed him to explore his environment to the most of his physical capacities, Hellspawn's becoming strong enough that he can inflict serious harm on the items he wishes to forcefully introduce to ballistic physics.  Just last week, Hellspawn thought it would be funny to lauch silverware at passing waitresses.   

We haven't had much luck trying to rein in Hellspawn's destructive tendencies.  She Who Spawned this Child of Hell (Moh) and I don't believe in capital punishment (not that Hellspawn hasn't tempted me a couple of times, like when he decided that it would be fun to kick Daddy in the wumbly mumblies).  It's been difficult trying to find effective punishments for a strong individual who hasn't even reached his second birthday.

We try time-outs.  When Hellspawn casts forth his demons, we make him sit by our feet for at least two minutes.  He's not allowed to touch anything but himself, and I mean that in the most clean way possible.  But, that's not an effective punishment when he's eating, and not one that I'd like to enforce when we're out in public or in restaurants.  I'm quite terrified that someone's going to call the cops on me for attempting to discipline my child (Officers, the bearded man over there is making his son sit by his feet.  He's exposing the poor baby to a toxic environment!).

I've started to assess all the things I've begun punishing Hellspawn for and am quickly coming to the conclusion that our social rules are pretty damned complicated for any human to understand, especially the young and those with social-interaction disorders (e.g. Autism).  For example, the following is a list of all acceptable things to throw in the Henner Enclave

  • Balls
  • Pillows
  • Hellspawn (provided there's a soft landing)
And the following are some things that are not acceptable to throw in the Henner Enclave

  • Sippy Cups
  • Silverware
  • Food
  • Hard Edged Toys
  • Books
  • Fits
Hellspawn is rewarded with praise when he selects an appropriate thing to throw, and is in timeout when he does not.  But, even within the list of appropriate things to throw, there are target limitations which must be considered.  Following excerps from a lists of unacceptable targets for things that can be thrown.

  • Daddy's Wumbly Mumblies
  • The Dog
  • Other People
  • Breakable Things (Hellspawn shattered some glass in my parent's entertainment center)
But here's the deal.  It's okay to throw things for the Dog, provided she wants to fetch them.  And it's okay to throw things at Other People, provided they are in a position to catch.  Sometimes Daddy will throw pillows at Moh when she's not in a position to catch because he's being spontaneous, sexy, and funny.

Social rules are very situational; however, children, like dogs, prefer absolutes because it's easier to understand.  Their brains simply aren't able to wrap around the concept of situational flexibility (to be fair, some adults aren't able to do that either.  That's why they "stay the course").

Things are very confusing for Hellspawn at the moment.  I try to respect that while figuring out how to discipline him appropriately.  My ooglie booglies will appreciate it.


 

 

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good luck. May your ooglie wobblies survive.
I'm wholly committed to the survive of my bouncies. Hellspawn needs to be under control before he comes after them with a bat.
I'm first! I'm first! Now if only I had something to say!

I've taken the positive reinforcement route while baby sitting. You know - reward all positive behaviors, ignore most negative behaviors. I thought it worked well, but then again, I got to go home afterwards while someone else cleaned up the results of my experiment.
Ack! zumalicious the usurper snuck in while I was typing. Grrrr.
Ah- the trail of destruction left behind by 2 yr old munchkins! You captured the discipline process perfectly! I can tell you from experience that tiny munchkin brains simply cannot understand the unecessary division between 'things that cannot be thrown' and 'things that can be thrown'. He only understands 'things that have been thrown' and 'things that have not been thrown yet'. Eventually you will find yourself putting precious items on higher and higher shelves..... until one day munchkin discovers using the little chair asa step-stool.
In short- you are at the start of a losing battle. You will lose. Hellspawn will overcome. Your wumbly mumblies will be numbly humbled.
hehehehehe. The following doesn't pertain to the subject, by the way: Your mini bio is charmingly beautiful. *shudder* Was tht a chill?
Awesome post that I can relate to. My almost 3-year-old is quite strong willed and occasionally stubborn, which is an inherited trait that did not come from me! Luckily, I've successfully instilled a fair amount of healthy fear of mom. She's not so afraid of dad, though, and tends to wreak more havoc with him.
Rated.
Let me know how it goes. The Kid grows restless and has begun to cast her bottle and/or sippy cup off of her high chair. So far, no "compromise" has been reached in the bottle/sippy cup tossing negotiations.
Bryan: The problem with ignoring negative behavior is that I'm still liable for all destruction that occurred regardless if I gave it attention or not.

IMC: The little beast already discovered step stools. All is lost. All is woe.

Tytle: A chill? Bummer. I'm usually working the *hot* angle.

Odette: Negotiations are ongoing. A mini-cease fire was shattered when Hellspawn decided that a bag of graham crackers would look better on Daddy's shirt. Daddy retaliated by sending crack troops into Lebanon/Hellspawn's room for nappy time.
I so enjoyed this, particularly since I spend 3 days a week with my 22-month-old grandson. Finally he seems to enjoy picking up the pieces of food he threw off the highchair once I set him free.
Wonderful piece Jon. My son is now 8. He went through a brief Hellspawn stage, but with patience and good parenting (both I believe you to be) he will grow out of it. They test us, over and over again. Hold your ground and kudos for not resorting to the capital punishment. I don't adhere to that either.
Rated
Try sticking a walnut brownie down his pants, see if that helps.
Oh man- my sympathies to the wumbly mumblies. Toddlers are also at the perfect height to headbutt the jewels. We often joke about the girls wanting no more siblings. Funny post.
Oh that's hilarious and it takes me back. It's funny how you find yourself saying and doing things that would never have occurred to you before finding a small child in your life.

"Get off the watermelon" comes to mind. We'd just got home from the store with said gigantic melon. It was on the kitchen floor. Small male child decided to stand on it and move it with his feet like a log in a pond. Hmm.

"Don't feed pickles to the dog. She'll get sick."

My best to the survival of your mumbly wumblies.
Try keeping 4 Golden Retrievers in line! ;-) My husband has had his ooglie wooglies jumped on more than a few times by a exhuberant 70 pound dog!

Thankfully, some of them have been trained to sit at our feet!
Jennifer: We want him to play with his wee less, not more.

Toni: I'm convinced my Sheltie is smarter than Hellspawn. It only took a few weeks to housebreak the dog, and convince her not to bite me. Almost two years in, Hellspawn still hasn't figured out the former and the latter.
Jon, I love this, but you need to edit 'capital punishment' to 'corporal punishment' immediately. (You may believe in neither, but 'corporal is what you want there!) :)
Oh, any parent in a foul mood knows I meant capital.
Jon, is there a system to your time outs? I ask because we've found time outs very effective, but only when done with a sort of relentless consistency. Most kids Hellspawn's age want control. Destruction is about power and control. Time outs can be a vehicle for them exercising their choice, so long as they know that they have the power to decide whether they go into time out or not. The time out needs to come down the same way every time -- almost a ritual, so that he knows what's coming next and has the ability to modify behavior to stop the process and avoid the time out.

Little Man gets a countdown. He gets until three -- The last thing he hears before the number three is "Do you want a time out?" This makes it his choice. Comply or time out. Either way, his choice.

I've used this system not only with Little Man but with other kids, including one kid that probably makes Hellspawn look like Ghandi. Your kid is smart. Most kids who turn into Hellspawn are. Give him a system to work in and he'll get it.

Oh, and don't be embarassed to do time outs in public. I do it all the time. My favorite parent story that I've heard is the mom who actually did a time out by the side of the road on a lawn chair. Public time out can be a very effective discipline tool and it is actually quite humane. Most people will take issue with a parent who is NOT disciplining a misbehaving child, but will cut a lot of slack to a parent who is trying to discipline a child.

Good luck. With Destructo-Boy, you'll probably need it..... :)
Liz: Good to hear from you! We're still developing the system and deciding what behavior gets time out, and when. Since I'm the stay-at-home flunkie, that particular burden is mine to cherish.

Right now, the sit-by-daddy's-feet-for-x-amount-of-time appears to be working. He knows he's in trouble for something. For a time, we considered putting him in his crib when we were mad, but I stopped that because I really didn't want him associating the crib with negativity.

When Hellspawn is a bit older, I'll mark off a corner of the house and make that the TimeOut corner. But, when we're out and about, the sit-by-daddy's-feet rule may still apply, especially since younger brains don't have the mnemonic ability to make delayed punishment worthwhile.

Your 1...2...want-timeout? tactic may be applied. I remember my mother trying to use it with me. But, hers went something like 1...2...2.5...2.75...2.83...you're going to get it...2.95.
Our countdown goes something like this: Let's say Little Man is banging a rock on something important that I do not want a rock banged on.

LM, Stop banging
(banging Continues)

One....Stop banging, please.

(banging continues)

Two....stop banging, please.

(banging continues.)

LM, do you want a time out?

(banging continues)

Okay, THREE! You're in time out.
(I pick up Little Man and set him in the time out chair, where he stays until he is calm and collected, and can hear me when I tell him, "LM, we don't bang on things with rocks, okay?')

He must say "I'm sorry" before he can leave the chair.

These days, we usually get to the question of whether he wants a time out, he says "no" and does what he's been told to do. Very rarely does he end up in the chair anymore.
Rated for good humor in the face of wumbly mumblies damage. :)
Ah, that age... when they're beginning to gain control of their full range of abilities and understand and direct their desires, but haven't yet developed the ability to control their emotions or impulses, don't yet understand their own strength, and can't communicate their desires effectively (or quietly at least). It's an exciting age... but thank goodness my girls have mostly outgrown it! When it's all over, you'll look back and say, "Jeez, was it really that bad? It went so fast! What was I so worried about?" But it seems *interminable* when you're in the thick of it.

Punishment is about meaningless at that age. Redirection and time-outs as reboot time rather than punitive action, plus a big glass of wine (or mead) for you are about the best you can do. I applaud you for both your stance and your (ruefully) patient attitude!

Speaking of redirection - do you carry activities with you? They may not help at Grandma's house - you're there too long and the distractions lose their value after a little while. But they can be invaluable in restaurant booths and grocery carts. Paper, stickers and crayons; tiny things of playdough or putty; Wikkistix or even just a few twisty-ties; a small stacking toy. Or if you're stuck without something like that in a restaurant, try ordering a glass of ice with no liquid. My girls would be entertained by ice for an absurdly long time - pushing a piece around the table top, trying to pick it up with a spoon, sucking on pieces.

Good luck, and I swear - when he gets to four, the memory of this age will fade and you'll wonder where the time went. I didn't believe it myself three years ago, but we made it through!
PAD: Yesterday, Hellspawn wondered what would happen if he threw a can of soda. It took an hour for my mother and I to clean the mess. Ah, joy.

We would order Ice for Hellspawn, but we're a bit concerned that he'll bean someone with the ice cubes. You have daughters. I'm convinced they're much, much easier to raise than little boys. All the girls I see that are Hellspawn's age are the sweetest little things.
Ha! Don't you believe it! They (may or) may not be as "boyishly" physical, but they are every bit as determined, demanding, and loud. I've nicknamed my younger daughter Entropy, because she has a remarkable ability to disassemble and destroy everything in her path. Her older sister, nicknamed Chaos, is somewhat more careful, but she's crafty and damned certain of her rightful place in this world, and will let nothing stand in her way. She's never been satisfied to sit still, always moving, and would take constant attention to keep occupied. The two of them have been known to wreak their fair share of havoc when my guard has slipped. Meanwhile, I've friends with boys who are as stereotypically "boy" as you describe, and others with boys who are calm and focussed (one family with 4yo twin boys, the boys are *so* calm, it's almost inhuman. (They're SCAdian, too - I found your blog here on a keyword search for "SCA").

In any case, I've seen both boys and girls grow increasingly frustrated with their inability to communicate and more physical in their demands as a result in Hellspawn's age range; then settle down a *lot* when they figure out how to articulate their needs. I hope that works out for you - and in the meanwhile, keep in mind that almost every parent in the history of mankind has survived this phase. This, too, shall pass! Just keep on keepin' on!
" You have daughters. I'm convinced they're much, much easier to raise than little boys. All the girls I see that are Hellspawn's age are the sweetest little things."

---bwahahahhhahaa. Must...pick...myself...off...floor...now.

Um, no. At least not with my Monster #1, she of the feminine persuasion. She was Hell Incarnate at that age. I empathize deeply.