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Married to Joan. (of course, not the Joan thats often mentioned on here) The father of Faith Dawn Magee, who died as a baby in November 1977. In addition, father of 3 girls and 2 boys. Grandfather of 2 girls. this seems like a busy start! Currently, author, http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail~bookid~52437.aspx http://www.authorhouse.co.uk/BookStore/ItemDetail~bookid~52437.aspx Pastor, chaplain to 3 schools, chaplain to a factory, Community councillor. Previously, Son of a member of the Royal Air Force, then I also joined the RAF as an electronic Technician. consequently lived nomadic life in Singapore, Aden (Yemen), Kenya, Cyprus, Malta, Germany, as well as a variety of places through out the UK.

JUNE 9, 2009 4:55PM

"This is our little secret", the abuser said. .............

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Reading through some of the posts on OS, it is clear that the work of the abuser has been experienced by many of the bloggers on here. Looking at the experiences of the past, and maybe for some in the present, there are words and actions that have never been forgotten.

 

 

The act may be happening in a private place where the abuser feels safe from detection, then come those telling words, “Remember, this is our little secret, no one else must know, you must not dare reveal what has been done/said in this private place.”  That’s not what we will expect to be said by members of OS though   ...........  Or is it?   

 

 

A number of times I have opened up my pm box to find words that are nothing more than verbal abuse with no explainable reason for it.  Not carried out by trolls, but by legitimate members of OS.

 

 

 

  Often it is ignored, maybe they will pass the adolescent stage at some point.   

 

 

Recently, I opened up a pm which came under the title of a post I had made. The message came with only one word and no sentence to go along with it. It was a word I had not heard before in this part of the world, though may be well used in other parts. My friends could not understand it neither.

 

 

 

So, I decided to place it in the post that came with the same heading, maybe someone else would understand it. The name of the sender of the PM was not given. I have since discovered that the word was not a pleasant one. Certainly not one that one would expect from someone seeking intellectual dialogue with others.  

 

Add to that the post concerned related to D day and respect for the veterans of the Second World War veterans and their wishes. Comments I had made elsewhere would also reveal that my thoughts on D Day are that any post I comment on that subject can only be appropriate if honouring the Veterans.   

 

 

Subsequently, a further pm arrived. Though the person’s name was not mentioned there is clearly a fear that someone will recognise who it is.  No remorse for the offence caused, but anger as I was told bluntly of the ethics of revealing what is put in a pm.

 

 

 

A  pm is PRIVATE, it is “our little secret”, it seems.  Anyone recognise the similarity with the abuser in the non virtual world? You can do all the nasty things possible and put it in a pm, and get away with it!  Most of us would agree that the 1st rules on ethics concern whether we are abusive both in action and in words.

 

 

 

There are some people on here who are younger, and maybe more easily bullied. From my perspective I want to say that in future any inappropriate messages sent to my pm box is placed in MY box to deal with as I privately decide. That leaves the option for me to not only mention the message, but also NAME the sender too if I should so desire.  

Let’s put things into perspective before we say pm refers to PRIVATE message box.

 

 

  

Private letters may be private, but when they reveal messages that are inappropriate they can be sent to appropriate authorities, and often must do from a legal perspective.

 

 

  Message boards with PM facility can be accessed by moderators for legal reasons and dealt with appropriately.    Clergymen will be expected to keep confidences, but there are certain areas of the legal aspects, certainly in this country, where the law expects information to be revealed.  

 

 The PM is MY PRIVATE box; containing messages that I need to discern how to deal with for a whole number of reasons. Legitimate confidential messages  will be confidential. Abuse my pm box, and the ethical code has already been broken   

 

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For some reason I cannot get the link to this to appear among the links to the left ....... but I will, given a wee bit of time.
aaaah, it has appeared at last. The wonders of modern technology
AMEN. It seems theres some small things that are bothering a lot of people. As I told someone on a "PM", a minute, My Daddy taught me to treat everyone the way you want to be treated. I am going to live by that. Great Post. Rated Q for quality
you are absolutely right scanner, what a difference there would be in a world just like that.
What you choose to do with PMs sent to you is entirely your business.

Anyone who sends a PM to someone, regardless of the content, should have no expectation of it's contents remaining confidential.

Just because a PM is the chosen method of communication it should not be viewed as a license to unleash abusive language, or as a means of harassment.
Thnk you Ablonde for that supportive message.

If we can collectively emphasise that any, whether it be younger members or those of maturity, should not feel obliged to keep secret any abuse through the pm.
As a matter of fact, I thought that PM stood for "personal" message, and anyone over a certain age should certainly understand that whatever one publishes on the internet, even in a PM, is not guaranteed privacy.

The FISA vote alone should have revealed that, but even without it, none of us are really guaranteed that sort of privacy.
Thats exactly right, but can you help me out here.

What is the FISA vote?
Sorry, US politics... (grrrrrrr!)

Congress, in its infinite state of denial and irresponsibility re: the importance of governmental and corporate (in this case) transparency, has passed a number of bills that retroactively make legal what were illegal actions... i.e., spying (on anyone and everyone) by the Bush administration.

Not only that... but they also granted a blanket immunity to the telecomm industry, in exchange for their "cooperation" in breaking the law, thus negating a number of pending law suits by private citizens.

(FISA = Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act... except that it really includes US citizens, as well, through lots of "legal" -- if extra-constitutional -- loopholes.)
I am appalled that you would be treated like this. You always seem like a very polite and nice person. There are a few people on the internet that have nothing to do but sit around and chat and cause trouble. Unfortunately, no computer site is free of them.
This should not have happened! Please ignore it so the rest of us can continue to enjoy your excellent work!
Ah Jon, I know thee well please let it not known it was me. But alas I must say I have not written much, but the the trout here in Canada have been a little much. I know how contacts can be sometimes as Monty Python group would refer to it as .........
Talk to you later. O/E
Ah, welcome friends. Please be assured, this post does NOT refer to anyone who is listed on my favourates. My favourates have behaved perfectly well.


Thanks also for the explanation KTM
I am sorry that someone treated you this way. There seems to be a lot of bad behavior going on publicly and privately.
Good for you, addressing this topic. It needs to be addressed now and again, as new people come in unaware of the situation.
What in the world? Well, I'm glad that you are bringing this into the spotlight.....sorry that you've had to experience this.
PMs are a wonderful way to communicate off-topic or have private conversations, but unfortunately they can also be a vehicle for harrassment. Once the PM is in your inbox, it is yours to do with as you see fit. People who send hateful PMs should be aware that the recipient of abuse is under NO ethical obligation to keep that communication private. I think you showed great restraint by not naming the jerk who sent you the offensive message, and I am sorry you have had to deal with such rudeness.
Thank you once again for your support. One reality of the internet is that we often do not really know what is beyond the screen. There are some wonderful people here, and also some who are not.

You are rightly saying about highlighting the issue, but it is an issue that we all need to highlight in some way to ensure the continued success of such places as OS. If this has been my experience, how many more are hiding beneath the surface. Sadly, the abusers may often give an outer appearance to the world of respectability, but beneath may be something very different.
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The "ethical" thing to do is exactly as you have done here: put people on notice that messages may be reproduced, in whole or in part, at your discretion. After all, no one is FORCED to interact with anyone else.

I did find this particular line disturbing:
Not carried out by trolls, but by legitimate members of OS.

I assume you meant it wasn't what is commonly referred to as a "greyhead" account, meaning the person in question actually had an avatar and a profile as well as a body of posts themselves.
If that is the case, I'd submit that even some of THOSE could be trolls. Look around here enough, and I'm sure you will find some very questionable accounts that look perfectly legitimate.

Uh, just looked at your profile before hitting "Post this comment" and noticed you didn't have an avatar. No offense. :-D
Hi Bill, yes, I am referring not only to the fact of having an account with avatar and a body of posts, but also that the public presentation would indicate people who have been given considerable respect, publicly, on OS for the public writing. But hen, is that not how it often is in the so called "real" world of abusers. Often it turns out that the offenders have considerable respect publicly, the concern lies in what they are doing in private where no one will see. Which is of greater concern that young people can be vulnerable on sites such as this if the abuse of PM is to be accepted as legitimate and left in private.

Bill, no offence taken ref avatar. Being computer illiterate I would not know where to start to create one.
Thank you jk for your message of support.

As you have pointed out, if its something we would be ashamed of saying/doing it should not happen whether it is one person that knows or a milion and one people.

This kind of message needs to be expressed wider on OS. from what I am reading others are having difficulties with the way people are posting in the PM.
Padraig, thank you for your supportive comment
If you wouldn't say it to a guest sitting in your livingroom, it's probably not a good idea to say it in cyberspace, either.

You may not be able to see the face of a person you've just offended, but your words still have a hurtful effect to the person on the receiving end.

I keep PMs sent to me confidential. I've been lucky that all those who have PMd me thus far have been friendly. I wouldn't shelter a person who insulted me, though.
Thats correct Shiral. Within cyberspace, I guess that some find it easy to forget there is a personality at the other end
In the great wise words of my Grandmother, "If you can't say something nice or constructive don't say anything at ALL." Negativity is not good for anyone.... and two worse don't make it right.
you were blessed with a very wise grandmother. Thanks for your comment
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I have a policy about PMs that are mean. I post them. With the sender's name attached. It's what I do. It seems to discourage most of them. I'm sorry someone is doing that to you.
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It is time to bring this disclaimer back to the top of the pile again. Time for the subject to be highlighted once more lest it be forgotten what is the real ethical standards that should be applied on the internet.

Beware, just as in real life the abuser is not always some one who we would assume to be beyond reproach. The example on here was in face some one who has been given considerable respect by OS members.
continue to take note, that this disclaimer still stands.