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MAY 7, 2010 12:58PM

The fall of Marco Rubio

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Marco Rubio has changed his mind about the Arizona immigration law, which he now supports whole-heartedly, to the point of actually advocating the deportation of children to Latin American countries where he admits the culture would be alien to them. In doing so, he may be joining an ignominious club, and so marginalizing himself in the quest for the votes of hardline conservatives that he loses all hope of gaining ground among Florida moderates.

Rubio has locked up conservative Republican votes for November. But to win, he needs to expand his base to include independents, who in Florida tend not to be nearly as right wing as Rubio's new BFF, Jim DeMint (of South Carolina), or even as the state's legislature, whose minority rule is cemented by gerrymandered districts. By moving to the far right in the immigration debate, Rubio may make Ann Coulter happy, but he could harm himself with fellow Hispanics (Rubio is Cuban-American, but the fastest growing group of Florida Hispanics are Puerto Rican, and their numbers are numerous in the critical central portion of the state) as well as with suburban whites, and younger voters, who tend to hold more moderate views.

And it can't be stated enough that Rubio's new stance on immigration ends, probably for all time, the possibility that he can be the right's fishing lure to reel in Hispanic votes in 2012. Nearly seven in ten Hispanic-Americans are of Mexican origin, and the vast majority (just like the majority of all Americans, including Republicans) favor the "path to citizenship" that Rubio now stringently opposes. Thanks for playing, Mr. Rubio.

From Sara Haile-Mariam at Campus Progress:

Via Ben Smith, Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), former speaker of the Florida House of Representatives said in an interview with Human Events’ Jason Mattera today:
And that’s why I’ve always believed that, no matter how well-intentioned it is. I understand the human stories that we’re going to…We’re gonna….There are going to be stories of very young kids that were brought to this country at a very young age who don’t even speak Spanish that are going to be sent back to Nicaragua or some other place. And it’s gonna feel weird and I understand that. The goal here is to have an immigration policy that works.

It's "gonna feel weird???" Really, Marco? That's all you've got??? Campus Progress, your witness:

Rubio’s scenario of an ideal immigration system would require securing federal funding to deport over 65,000 young people who are undocumented citizens. It would require some sort of system to identify them, hunt them down, and facilitate their deportation. The proposal doesn’t sound weird as much as it sounds wrong.

Tell me about it. Rubio's revised position on the Arizona law puts him squarely in opposition to himself, since he used to be considered a moderate on immigration, and even was accused by rabid anti-immigrationists in Florida of slow-walking related bills when he was Speaker of the House. This was Rubio in December:

"They're God's children, but they're here illegally," he recently told a Republican club in northwest Florida. "You can't round up 11 million people because we don't live in a police state. But you can't grant amnesty either because if you do, you will destroy any hope of having a legal immigration system that works. You will send a message that all you have to do is come into this country, stay here long enough and we will let you stay."

But Rubio now says you can indeed round them all up and deport them, and we should do so right away, including children who came into this country illegally without their knowledge, because they were kids, to which Ms. Haile-Mariam asks:

What I’d like to know is what I’m supposed to tell young people like Juan, Felipe, Gabby and Carlos collectively known as the Trail of Dream Walkers. These four young people walked from Florida to Washington, D.C., in support of immigration reforms like the DREAM Act, federal legislation that would provide three of them with a path to citizenship through education or military service.

Incredibly, Rubio has now taken a position to the right of Linda Chavez, the conservative, self-described "most Hated Hispanic in America," who wrote a stinging rebuke of the Arizona law this month, even attacking it's grammar. Rubio had denounced the law for a time, too, with back-up from Jeb Bush. And not for nothing, but the law's sponsor has ties to white supremacists and anti-Hispanic bigots, something obviously lost on Mr. Rubio, who now appears to be taking different advice than that offered by Jeb. He is, apparently, oblivious to the irony that his people, Cuban-Americans, have had the most liberal immigration policy applied to them, including allowing them to enter the U.S. without visas, via Mexico (h/t to Salon)...

In South Florida, among the strongest supporters of immigration reform, including more liberal rules for admitting Haitian refugees into the country are Cuban-Americans, including all three Cuban-American members of Congress. Rubio has now also placed himself to the right of his own community.

Is Rubio becoming the Latino Clarence Thomas?

There is a reason why more Blacks and Hispanics don't join the Republican Party and the "conservative movement." It's not just their ideas, which often seem hostile to people of color, and which have had very real, negative consequences, not just for minorities, but for America. It's that in order to be in the club, you have to sell a little too much of your soul, by becoming an ethnic parody (see Michael Steele) or by openly repudiating your own ethnic group in the strongest, harshest terms, in order to prove that you have more fealty to their notion of America, which often translates to a particular white historic and corporate elite, than to people who look like you. In an ideal world, there should of course be no ethnic tribalism in a pluralistic, multi-ethnic society. But America has not reached that ideal, and empathy for others, whether in your own ethnic group or not, is at minimum, a sign of civilization. To the right, however, empathy is seen as a threat, particularly when those being empathized with are not, to be blunt, white.

Too harsh?

Well think about the African-Americans who have earned favor among right wing Republicans: Alan Keyes, whose bug-eyed denunciations of Barack Obama (and his supposed threat to the republic) and zealous advocacy of the founding fathers, with no reference to the fact that had he been among them, they would have considered him a rank inferior, and enslaved him, have not stopped him from being taken seriously on the right; Clarence Thomas, whose self-pitying malevolence extends not just to affirmative action, which he grouses at having benefited from, but to anyone who isn't at the economic apex of society; plus the equally bitter Ward Connerly, the reverse Robin Hood of affirmative action politics, who was indirectly responsible for Jeb Bush's imposition of "One Florida" on this state.

Other conservative African-Americans, like Star Parker, excel at banging on about "welfare queens" and "race hustlers," while contributing nothing, beyond the books they're trying to sell (and the occasional long shot run for Congress), to the cause of improving struggling inner city communities.

There's Allen West, whose clownish performances as the lone black member of the "tea party movement" have a Dave Chappelle quality to them that really make me miss the former Comedy Central show.

And let's not even get started on Michelle Malkin, an Asian-American supporter of the internment of Japanese Americans during World War II ...

Likewise, conservative Hispanics are prized by the right for their willingness to condemn fellow Latinos for daring to come to this country and mow the lawn and pick tomatoes. But that has proved to be a brand of cognitive dissonance most people find difficult, if not impossible, to accept. In fact, there are notable exceptions; people who refuse to be the spokesmen for bigotry or extremism just to please the far right (think Michelle Bernard of the Independent Womens Forum, JC Watts, who left Congress saying he was tired of being a photo-op, and Gen. Collin Powell, the one Republican of any ethnicity with the cojones to denounce Rush Limbaugh without fear or apology.)

Which brings us back to Mr. Rubio, who by the time we get to November, might not have much of his soul left to sell, or for that matter, much of a path to victory.

Flashback: Does Rubio have a Cuban-American problem?

Cross-posted at The Reid Report

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Terrific reporting. Thank you.
Rated.
What Jonathan said. I think this will be a mistake on Rubio's part, but it will be interesting to watch.
Great job! I can almost feel your righteous indignation. But, do you really think that trying to shove more left wing views down the throats of middle class America is the answer? I mean; I don't believe in such strenuous immigration laws, but I do think that they need to be somewhat stricter.
Rubio's other problem, using the company AMEX for personal expenses doesn't seem to get much publicity. What's up with that?

Once a politician, from either party, starts to pander, it can backfire.
This is really a very informative post. Thanks for your work on pulling all this information together,

My only question is this: Does Rubio still have to run to the right now that Gov. Crist is no longer in the primary? Isn't the primary now a sure thing?
@Jeffry - Rubio initially began trying to move to the center, calling himself "mainstream" on Fox and coming out against the AZ law, in tandem with Jeb. But he got immediate pushback on the AZ law and is pretty firmly boxed in by the tea parties and Jim DeMint. He actually signed pledges to adhere to right wing orthodoxy (on taxes, healthcare etc.) He can't move too far toward the middle, or he risks fueling the campaigns of two even farther right challengers, one in the Constitution Party, and a more significant guy named Alex Snitker, who is running as a Libertarian (and who scored second place to Rubio, and 22 percent of the vote, in an Orlando tea party straw poll.)

In a three-way race, with the margins so close, even losing 1 or 2 percent to Snitker would be catastrophic. So he's pretty much stuck where he is, ideologically.
I used to believe that sometimes leaders in public life took stands jsut b/c they believed in something. This is yet another illustration of a politician openly and crudely 'changing" his views b/c of positioning among a pack of candidates. I suppose I'm glad; he was beginning to look like someone who could be a national figure, and progrssives don't need a charismatic minority Republican popping up out of the wood work.
I think you are dreaming if you think this will cost Rubio in any meaningful way in FL. In fact it probably helps. Why would Puerto Ricans care if illegal alien Mexicans are deported? They are American citizens by birth and besides language have nothing in common with Mexico. Besides they are already firmly in the Democratic camp no matter what his position on illegal immigration.

It's part of the liberal narrative to confine all ethnic groups into one ideology. You would be surprised to learn how many African Americans would love to see an Eisenhower approach to enforcement. These illegals are taking jobs from Americans plain and simple that's why supporting enforcement will always be a winner.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/workplace/2009-09-13-plants_N.htm

I'm Black and can you point to what the black community has gained for supporting the Dems?
"you get the government you deserve" pretty well covers it.

if you tolerate gangster rule, aspiring public parasites will shape their ideas towards success by being gangsters. rubio appears to be a typical politician, not visibly different from obama, just less successful, so far. since people of the intellectual quality of dubya and reagan can come to the purple, be polite about rubio: he may be your master soon, and reading your electronic mail, dispatching drone bombs to your street.

this is good enough for americans, who are unconcerned about what the government does, as long as their own jobs are unthreatened, as long as the bombs go off only in foreign cities. they are often disappointed about the former, and will find increasingly that they can not be secure about the latter.

there is some irony there, learn to savor it.
Rubio will be fine. You don't get Jeb Bush to back you in Florida if you can't win. Jeb never backs anyone...until now. Crist is in it deep with his supporters who want their money back and he is going to get smacked down in November. The Obama hug was the kiss of death for Charlie and that is why he had to go Indy. He continues to lose support.
"Rubio's new stance on immigration ends, probably for all time, the possibility that he can be the right's fishing lure to reel in Hispanic votes in 2012."

Well, then that's a good thing. He might as well be what he is, likely the latino Clarence Thomas, as you suggest.
Thanks for a fine professional report. I appreciated all the links. Great job, thanks.
Wonderful post! I am convinced that all these people have to offer is hate, and especially the hatred of others who they deem not worthy. R
The Latino Clarence Thomas or the Latino Ken Blackwell? The Latina Condoleezza Rice?

All appear to loath the race they were born into and turn on them. Is that what it takes to be a republican? Shit on your own people? Wow! And WOW! And that party thinks they can do that AND win in November? Even with Fox's help, that seems like a tall order. I hope someone will be looking for more voter shenanigans... Oh. That's right. I live in America... Never mind...
Well, and on the illegal immigration thing as a whole, I think by and large we have asked for it.

In general, Americans have gotten lazier and stupider over the years. There are jobs that people just won't do in this country. I don't think that public assistance is the root of that personally, especially after seeing the kinds of 'intellectuals' that push that lie on the hyperventilating right.

When I was in high school, I picked cherries for two summers alongside potential illegals. It was HARD work. Long days. Some starting at 7A and not ending until 7P or 8P. The guy that ran the crew had a hard time getting people to work for him. Most would quit after a few days or weeks. I loved the money. (We had a republican president at the time and the economy was in the shitter. See a pattern?)

My sister and brother-in-law own a small machine shop and they can't get and keep people to work there. They get people pushed off public assistance and they work for a while and then disappear. Oh, and to get people that can follow directions and not try to get themselves on workman's comp any chance they get.

I worked as a programmer for a company that contracted a huge project out to Coopers and Lybrand. They brought in a group of Indians (from India) and they worked like they were possessed by Satan! They would be there before I got there and were still there when I left. They worked weekends and even holidays. People were amazed to see them and quietly laughed at them. Not me... I knew what was going on. Most of them were educated here, got degrees and then worked as contract programmers while fat and lazy Americans made fun of them...

It seems ironic that the average Fox News viewer (and Wal-Mart shopper) is pissed at illegal immigration yet is giving this country over to it. And Dick Morris wants to gut the education system.

Limiting immigration, legal or otherwise, is going to backfire on this country so bad... Just you wait and see... What we need in this country is mandatory education through a Master's degree. Oh, but then the republican party would probably disappear... (Although, look at 'Dubya' Bush. Some rocks just can't grow moss.)

Whatever...
thank you ms reid, great summary. but how does the illegal fundage situation work into rubio's situation, will the amex cards get into the news?
When I think of the Tea Party I think of the Know Nothings and the American Independent Party of George, "segregation now, segregation forever" Wallace.
Rubio washed up? Wishful thinking.

It's becoming increasingly clear that there isn't enough wealth to spread around if those who create it are progressively discouraged from doing so.

Living in the United States is not a right that every human in the World is born with.
Thank you for writing this article and posting it Joy. I'm sending this one out to everyone I know. The last portion of your article perfectly sums up the point I try to make to my friends and family on why Latino's should NEVER vote Republican and follow the conservative movement. 3 or 4 presidential election cycles from now, when Marco makes his bid for the White House (and he will) it will be all of our responsibilty to remind the American public of this unsavory period in Marco's past, that he will NO DOUBT want everyone (especially "nuestra gente,") to forget.
oh my god rubio has to have a yeah or neah on this issue or will he talk out of his right right wing mouth or will his left side do the talking. this should be fun to watch---come out and beat this guy!!
What nobody mentions is that Business directly profits from the ill-treatment of latinos. The more the latino community is ill-treated, the more fearful of the police they become, the less likely will they be to report labor and workplace abuses.

I once worked for a big insurance company as a law clerk. We had many, many workers compensation cases from hispanics, who sued their employers for benefits and medical treatment charges, because they were injured on the job. Even illegals are legally entitled to some degree of medical relief, if they are injured on the job.

The principal way we deterred this, was by threatening to report them to the INS, subtly, during initial investigations and such. By doing this, we often caused latinos to jump-ship, bail out of the suit, and often leave town, for fear of being deported.

As a result, businesses won. They won, because they didn't have to pay for the workplace maiming and injuries of underpaid latino workers. They won, because nobody did anything to stop them from doing this again. And they won, again, because we used the threat of deportation to deprive this person of their day in court.

Businesses win most from these laws. We all have to wake up to this fact. For 300 years, the United States has deprived ethnic minorities of civil rights, in order to score corporate "victories" on the economic and labor front. It has always been interconnected. Nothing has changed.
Great stuff, Joy-A nn! I'd like to think this is the beginning of the end for Rubio but the right is quite happy to gerrymander their thinking around the reality of their own heroes. Expect a lot of folks to do a lot of mental yoga to allow cognitive dissonance between Rubio's talk and his walk. My gut tells me that what most attracts people to him is his ruthlessness -- and a case could be made that his "selling his soul" in instances like this only adds to his appeal to those who simply want a winner.

I love your writing. Rated!
So, can I be the first to call for sending Rubio back to Cuba? (Yes, I know he wasn't born there, but, according to another teabagger, "it takes more than just crossing a border to become an American" and in the case of Markie Marc, I agree.)
So, can I be the first to call for sending Rubio back to Cuba? (Yes, I know he wasn't born there, but, according to another teabagger, "it takes more than just crossing a border to become an American" and in the case of Markie Marc, I agree.)
Let's not forget that many Cuban hispanics in the US are actually white, descendants of wealthy Spanish-European nobility that lived in Cuba on grand plantations with large numbers of African slaves. These folks were the primary enemies of Castro and the Communists and it was they who fled the island after Castro and Che took over. Rubio, and many other Cubans in Florida, are among the most nationalistic, anti-communist, racist folks around. They do not see themselves as sharing the same ethnicity with Mexicans, who are mostly Mestizo. They are white. As such, they are just as prone as Anglo-whites to feel racism toward non-whites.
I'm so very Happy Mr. Rubio has found his petard. I hope he chokes on it.

Great reportage, Ms. Reid - and the links are ever-important.
Between deportation and amnesty lies a vast middle ground that, typically, few in America want to explore (it's a bipolar culture: right/wrong, yes/no, good/evil, deportation/amnesty). The most sensible alternative is a "guest worker" program--go to an ICE office, get a worker's card, and voila! you can't vote but you do pay taxes and receive services for them.

What's so hard about this solution? It's sensible, it would work....but it's neither deportation nor amnesty, so almost nobody will be for it.
What a schmeck Rubio is. No, not schmuck, schmucks are hapless, slobbish evil-doers. Schmecks are small-minded evil-doers. The paltryness of his political machinations win him this.
Such a clear-eyed, well-done piece of reporting this is.
"gonna feel weird" should have him disqualified out-of-hand. I remember when pols at least sounded semi-eloquent. What cruel ignorance he shows.
Well-done.
Bravo, Ms. Reid! What WON'T these people do to "get right" with the screw-ball, tea-party, militia-member, gun-nut, Obama hating old white-folks?
Even straight-shooting maverick John McCain!
PS: I'm an old white guy myself...
joe-ann reid, look in your mirror, ask yourself how you became a Socialist-racist. Why do you feel so insecure that you needed to build a career around your life of racism? That's how the like's of Jesse Jackson and his screwball friends survive. Even Nelson Mandela would urge you to stop the racial bashing. Whites and even Asians don't do it, why should you? Your an American, be proud. Illegal immigration is wrong and must be stopped. The U.S. law regarding Baby's born in this country and children of parents here illegally are citizens of the country of their parents . America must change this law. No other country in the world has such a law legitimizing Illegal residents, Anchor children. Marco is on the right side of history on immigration.My question is, will he stay there? I don't think so, if he is elected. Even Obama is an illegal citizen, but boy did he play his race card to perfection
Nice written - I was recently in the US on language exchange and read something about Marco Rubio . Our Language / Sprachreisen Teacher told us a bit about him during our Sprachreisen Lesson and said that he had some really strong points with children in Latin American Countries. Nice to read the whole story here.
I recently also read another article about him and his strong opinions. I think people should take his ideas more critically.
When politicians like Marco Rubio flip-flop on issues it sets a bad leadership example on delicate issues.

Deporting children born in this country is a very messy issue. On the one hand, these children were born here and to transport them to a completely unfamiliar surroundings is a little bit twisted. Although, letting non-residents sneak into your country and giving their children citizenship seems just as equally twisted.

The recent census statistics showed that the Hispanic population in the United States has risen to over 16 percent, that is up from 12 percent in the year 2000.

I think that it is just time to accept that this is a small world we live in and be flexible with who lives in America. After all, we are the melting pot of the world.

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Immigration policies have to become stricter, no doubt about that at all, but at the same time what about things like the smoke remedy review? They should also have money invested into them.