MARCH 1, 2010 5:24PM

Update: Blog import issues

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Good news: Our tech team has greatly improved Open's blog feed import system. As Thomas wrote, in the past few months we've been struggling to accommodate the influx of new users, and imported posts faced long delays (or, sometimes, simply didn't show up).

Now, cross-posted entries should show up within four hours after they appear on the original blog. To be sure that your posts do come through, you'll want to avoid importing more than 20 entries at a time.

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Yippee. Not that it really matters. We are just drawing in page views for the site.
Doubtless I will sound unappreciative, but try as I might, I can't find a way to look at things I think will be a problem and smile and say “oh, good.” So, with apologies for not sounding more upbeat, let me explain why this troubles me:

First, it is my already-stated opinion that if Open Salon fails, experts will not do a post mortem that contains the phrase “If only more posts already available at other sites had been imported, the site would have succeeded.” No matter how much content OS offers that is available elsewhere, it will not distinguish itself. It will distinguish itself by focusing on the people who are committed to posting content unique to this site, by allowing the character of this site to be something you can't get elsewhere. If it just wants as a goal to have all the content of the internet, it will at best just be the internet. And people can get that by just connecting to a browser, they don't need to do that by going through a site that offers up the content in a more rigid format, more slowly, and going offline at 4am every day for maintenance.

And from the point of view of a content producer who has worked very, very hard to produce unique content tailored to this forum, not available at other forums, and seeing that content often not featured when content that is available at other forums is featured, I have to say it's just downright demoralizing. This feature, which OS has worked so hard to create, is a slap in the face to anyone who has been trying to pretend that writing stuff for this site was something that might be appreciated or lauded. It makes it less likely that things people write here will be seen, or that there will be time for anyone to read it. It makes it impossible to tell who is offering unique content and who is just an echo of elsewhere.

Imagine if Congress spent its time trying to solve the “problem” of making sure that foreigners could freely import their political messages during campaigns... Imagine what people who were in the US and thought their opinion should count as much or more than foreigners would think. It's a direct analog.

Having someone hook up a firehose of external content to a forum where people routinely gripe about how hard it is to get seen is just hard to see as a positive. But maybe it's just me.

I want the absolute best for this forum and for Open Salon. I just don't think this is it. And I know it's hard to ask people who've spent money on something to rethink. Cognitive dissonance is a huge thing to overcome. But really, it's worth a moment to consider the thought that this is a feature that might be better off dismantled.
What are imported posts, please?
Judy, this leads onto something that is concerning me at the moment. What about the members who are dissappearing? Can you take a look at the following post for an explanation?

http://open.salon.com/blog/from_barren_rocks/2010/03/03/a_man_with_no_name_an_os_story

Thank you
ok, can anyone look at the link I have given above????
Is there any answers available re the questions raised in the item linked above.
@from barren rocks
Can you PM me the info (screen name, email address) for your old account? Then we can get to the bottom of what happened.

@Leon Freilich
Imported posts are posts from users who want to cross-post entries from their own, outside blog on Open. You can learn more about them here.
Great that this is improving!
I think Kent makes a great point, here. And "from barren rocks" makes a good point, too, regarding diappearing writers.
I tried importing one post at a time, and still received a message of failure. I'm hoping that whatever the fix is here, will also, in some way address the issue my problem.
Kent, I don't want to be contradictory but I disagree. I write and I do like having the exposure that Open Salon gives me. I reach a wider audience, and it benefits both Open Salon by generating page views, and it helps me by building my audience. Both sides benefit.

Besides, Open Salon is about what WE want to make it. Just because we write on other places does not mean content from other places is not relevant to Open Salon.

Judy, thanks for getting the import feature fixed!
Okay, guys, it was working until the middle of last week, and now it's down again. When I try to reset things and put my feed back in, it doesn't like it. What's up, guys?
They come in, but they are full of funny looking extended character sets. If I go to manage posts, and click edit (and add tags, because those are not being imported), then the text looks normal.
Kent, I respect your opinion, and you make a valid point. But many people here are bloggers dedicated to their personal blogs, and Open Salon provides a wonderful, broad audience for what we write. The comments here, the community of fellow writers, the dialogue that is often created, is indeed unique, whether the content originates solely on OS or is imported from a previously existing blog.

I see OS as sort of the Associated Press of the Internet. Or maybe the Reader's Digest? I don't know if either of those analogies is accurate or not, but my point is that there is a loyal audience here, and I think it's growing.

I have written unique content for other sites, but to be honest, it's OS that I keep coming back to, mainly because of the great people here who keep reading, writing, and commenting. That's the key factor that makes Open Salon what it is.

As for the import feed, I stopped using it when it started having issues. Now I just manually enter my blogs posts. My original blog still exists under its own domain name, and most of my readership probably comes from OS, but I also get readers on my Blogspot site, and via Kindle subscribers, so I have no objection to crossposting.

If OS ever required only unique content that I couldn't post elsewhere, I would probably post less often, because I just wouldn't have the time, which is what slowed me down from posting original reviews on other sites, like Blogcritics.
Tony, proving your claim is more complicated than you've allowed for because it involves comparing to a hypothetical world in which OS had a distinct identity and the entire timeline goes differently. It's not adequate to say that the other timeline would be utterly the same except absent your content. Your implicit claim is that having visibly unique content would draw fewer viewers than a site in which the unique content is blended with other content that's available elsewhere. That may be instantaneously true at any given moment, but over time I believe investment in unique content is the only thing that will ever grow this site. It's like the Wal-Mart effect—it seems like a good idea at the moment, but over time it still works against the needs of the community by killing off the local creativity in favor of one big borg-like everything the same as everything else.

So, to be clear, I don't at all deny that there are people like you made happy by this. What I do actively and affirmatively and unabashedly challenge, with due respect is the notion that catering to that particular set of users, the ones also posting elsewhere, is what this site ought to be about.

Ultimately, if OS doesn't reform its policy, I may myself begin to post elsewhere as my primary location and perhaps I'll throw OS a few pages just to attract audience elsewhere. But OS will not be stronger for that shift. And I will not take that action out of a desire to do injury to OS, but rather out of a long-emerging sense that OS does not aspire to win, and I can only invest in failure for so long.

Or maybe OS will win by just importing what is already elsewhere. That's a peculiar form of winning. I want not part of that either. To me, what it is to win is not to make a copy of something else people want. It's to enter something unique that is its own identity and to stand by the merits of that. I've tried personally very hard to invest in OS based on a theory that's what they were about. But I am gradually coming to a belief that's not it at all.

It isn't necessary that you or anyone agree with me. But that's my opinion anyway. You're welcome to claim victory once I've been beaten down on the matter.
Are imported posts basically newly published posts?