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JUNE 3, 2009 7:56AM

Why I Hate So You Think You Can Dance

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It's not the dancing.  I love the dancing. And I love the idea of this show, bringing dancers together from every culture and class, from hip hop to ballroom to ballet, forcing them to discover their weaknesses and stretch their skills.

It's not the judging.  It's hard for newcomers to understand how a long time fan can endure Mary's screeching, Nigel's weirdly macho prissyness, or Mia's  ongoing "I love you/I hate you other blond women" psycho drama. 

But these judges have been on the other side.  If they haven't come from dance competition backgrounds, like Nigel and Mary, they are choreographers, like Mia, who are also having their work judged on this show. This adds a level of professionalism and empathy I never see on the other shows.

Since the franchise has expanded to New Zealand, Turkey, Israel, Canada, Germany, Greece, Poland, Malaysia, Norway, The Netherlands, South Africa and Australia,  they've been travelling the world guest judging.  Sure they have some personality ticks, but there's not a lot of self-indulgence.  They don't waste our time creating faux rivalries.  This show is about dance. Everyone here is about dance. 

Everyone  that is, except the technical crew.  I HATE the camera work on this show. 

What camera work? you ask. 

Exactly.

Good camera work is to dance what good sound is to singing.  How do I know?  Because I'm from Canada,  a magical land filled with camera crews who have cut their teeth on non-stop  hockey  and figure skating. It took me a while to figure out why SYTYCD Canada had such a different vibe---and then I started looking at clips of the best routines of the season from both shows. 

And come, let me show you.....

The Case Of The Amputated Ballerina

Let's take a look  at one of the best performances last year on SYTYCD U.S.  A breathtaking pas de deux choreographed by ballet and broadway star Desmond Richardson and danced to David Archuleta's cover of Imagine.

If you haven't seen this yet, maybe enjoy it first with a naive eye. But if you're a regular fan, a year's gone by. Time to put on your critic's glasses.  Why? You wouldn't watch American Idol with fuzzy sound.  So why should we have to settle for  B-list camera work? Especially since ratings seem to be decreasing every year. 

Watch for the following things: 

Nothing too bad happens in the first 30 seconds.  The dancers are staying within a pretty small area on the stage, so getting this right isn't exactly rocket science.  The lighting is, let's be nice and call it minimalist.  The dancers seem a little blanched, but let's be fair and chalk this up to faded youtube video.

Then the dancers mess up.   This  could have been minimized  by a quick change of camera angle.  But the static camera is unmoving and unforgiving as Will not only fails to properly twirl Katee, but then seems to tumble halfway out of the frame.  That part's not his fault, but the camera mistake adds to the awkward blunder. 

Notice how often these dancers are dancing at the periphery of the frame, how often feet, arms, even a head, accidently slip outside the  edge of the frame.  If you watch closely, at one point  you'll see the camera jerk to the side to catch up with a dancer. Watch how the camera loses Katee, twice.  In a PAS DE DEUX.  (Hello Hollywood camera crew.  Deux means two...two dancers.) 

One thing you'll rarely see on SYTYCD is any attempt at interesting shadow work.  But look, some shadow! Problem is these are shadows of the audience, swaying their hands to the song.  Is this  a sophisticated piece of contemporary dance, or a David Archuleta concert video? 

There are two climactic lifts. Watch how  both times the camera cuts Katee off at the knee.  It's one thing to cut a dancer off at the knee in a static pose where the drama is in the upper body.  But, mother of god, you don't cut off the female dancer's legs in a lift! Not unless it's a story about a boy and his amputee girlfriend.  Pay special attention to the last lift.  It's gruesome.

And then the final insult.  These are both two of the most talented dancers on the show.  They've just completed the most  challenging piece of choreography this season. They've done a beautiful job except for the one little f-up.  You want to see their faces.  Are they happy, are they disappointed?  Hard to tell because the camera decides this would be a good time to retreat into the ceiling.  It would be so interesting, apparently, to have a  birdseye view of two dancers walking along the stage. 

(Unless you're a nostalgic fan, fast forward past Kerrington's solo performance to about minute 2:30.) 

 

Now let's take a look at their Canadian counterparts dancing, ironically, to David Cook's Permanent.  Canada has been waiting for this moment all season.  The two frontrunners have never danced together: Nico, a gorgeous half-deaf  Montreal street punk, and Allie a cute as a button Halifax ballerina. 

The first thing you're going to notice is the extra dancers in the studio during rehearsal.  For a while I thought the Canadian network was too cheap to pay for private studio time.  Then I realized these were stand-ins so that the technical crew can run through the choreography to get it right and add some drama.

This explains the attention to lighting.  If you can take your eyes of these dancers keep an eye out for  the beautiful shadow work, how the shadows gradually multiply and amplify the dancers as the story builds.  

Also, notice how often and fluidly the camera changes point of view. Every angle is planned out.   You could never imagine this camera crew losing a foot, let alone a dancer. 

And, finally,  notice how the shot lingers on the dancers' faces, giving us plenty of time to absorb their feelings about this performance.

(A note to hardcore fans: Stick around for the judging and watch Jean Marc Genereux out do himself in the category of over the top judge crying. Watch how he takes an entire two minutes to link this to dance to  all the suffering in the world.   If I ever had any doubts about Nico deserving the SYTYCD Canada crown, he won my heart by not cracking up once.) 

 

Angry Dance With Prop

So what? you say.  The important thing is good dance, not camerawork.  True enough.  But the more I started re-watching the U.S. routines, the more I started to notice how the best American choreographers kind of  limit the dancers to avoid making them vulnerable to lame camera work glitches.  The queen of this is Mia Michaels.  All of her best performances involve a prop that anchors the attention to the center of the stage.  The challenge is to provide a choreography that doesn't sacrifice the momentum that dancers usually build by using the rest of the stage. 

This contemporary routine with Katee and Twitch is a classic example of Mia condensing her choreography into one tiny invulnerable bundle of energy. (Fast forward past Comfort's solo until about minute 4.00:)

 

It was a great piece.  But imagine a Mia Michael's piece if she were also able to use the  entire stage and work with a technical crew engaged with the drama, and dancers who've obviously been learning over a season how to perform for the camera. 

I wouldn't say that the dancing in this piece choreographed by Blake McGrath is much better.  But you can see how a bit of interesting camera work adds a whole new level of energy to this scenario, as does the momentum the dancers build from fearlessly using the stage.   Here the prop is a prop, not a crutch. 

 

And it's not like the U.S. technical crew isn't up to the challenge of choreography that uses the entire stage. When Canadian choreographer (and judge) Jean Marc Genereux gives American competitiors Will & Courtney this  Samba, the camera crew works it out  well enough (except for the spots where  they seem to be shining cop lights into our faces.) Fast forward to about minute 4, where you can see Genereux redeem himself  from the waterworks of  SYTYCD Canada. 


 

 But this ain't no Canadian camera crew: 

(Some of you may have seen this samba already if you stopped by my SYTYCD Canada re-cap.  You can fast forward past the intro to about minute 1.  But don't miss the opening shots.  And don't miss this classic Mary Murphy piece of judging.) 

 
 
 

I hope this chance to re-visit the best performances of last season has been more fun than painful.  I know it's hard to accept that the show you so love may be needlessly crappy. 

If this keeps up on the fifth season, maybe we should consider a petitition. But there's always the possibility that someone over at SYTYCD U.S. noticed the difference and hired a Canadian camera crew this year. 

In which case maybe this is more of a  preview of your new and improved show!

 

 


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Wow! What a detailed critique. Camera work is something that we really just take for granted, but now that I've seen the good stuff it'll be hard not to notice when they screw up. "a story about a boy and his amputee girlfriend" ha! snarfed my morning tea :)
Post a comment. okay.
My Granddaughter has her practice dress recital this afternoon.
I'll miss pink dance ballerina. However, I see the real on stage show!
I promise to show these ballerina's. Later. She's gonna get a DVD too!
What a beauty to behold. The camera can't communicate real magic tho.
I'll also see the live dance performance. I am anticipating a great show!
Wonderful.
She'll love it.
Thank you.
Thanks for watching aDerek. My purpose here isn't to wreck the show for people. I enjoyed it for years with crappy camerawork. And who knows, maybe they'll have improved it this year.

But mostly I want to start a dialogue about why dance isn't more of an artform here, and I do think it's because it's expensive to do well. So, sadly, it's going to lose out to shows that you can do on the cheap like AGT.
Great piece and thanks! I learned a lot...am a die-hard fan of the program and now...poo! They'll have to get better or I'll start writing letters.
Arthur, Good luck to your grandaughter. And, yes, there's nothing like live. I hope she grows up to a new and improved SYTYCD!
Wow, I never realized this. That said, I find the show has such heart and talent, I am hooked.
Me too, Lea. But now I'm feeling like my crack dealer is about to lower the concentration. I hope I don't turn mean.
Wow Juliet. You don't mess around. I can't imagine the time it took for you to put this all together. And you know I'm trying to watch this show..and now I've even more intimidated! I think I will just have to go back to the like "like/don't like" approach. It may sound simplistic but at the end of a long day, it usually works for me. The camera work aspect is critical. Thanks Juliet.
I'm hoping this post will let me purge my frustration, so that I don't end up nitpicking about it all season. And I promise I will make the trip to Vegas more fun. Vegas is all about the ongoing soap opera of this show. There are dancers who have been trying out for years, and it's usually the rejected one's who end up beating most of the competition when they do make it. It's so inspiring, you'll see!
Reality shows have an unreality about them that make them unappealing to me. I pass. I enjoy your writing, Juliet.
THIS is one of the most well thought out posts I have ever read, and I will never watch this show the same way again. Thanks so much for educating us about what to look for - I feel like I've been taken on an museum tour with an art history professor.

Can't wait for your recap of this week's show. By the way, I loved your observation about "Nigel's weirdly macho prissyness" - perfectly said.
Juliet, what brilliant analysis. I think its the choppy editing that we get on so many of the reality shows. It's the directors and producers thinking that we all have the attention span of a 13 year old boy pumped up on Mountain Dew. I had the same feeling watching the coverage of the Kentucky Derby, chop here, chop there. Frustrating.

Two questions:
1. As I was watching the clip how come we have the announcer with the Brit accent and you get that American accent?

2. And why oh why does the dancing seem like a High School, ok, College dance performance?
Excellent post! I never even thought about the camera work. Well, maybe a little when it was really obvious the cameras were panning too much (but that would be editing) or some weird close up happened.
Quite excited for tonight - I have wine, bon-bons and a very large television to help my enjoyment.
One of the things I love about SYTYCD is that I always feel so much more graceful and fit and stretchy after watching it, even though I just sit/lie on the couch drinking wine and eating bon bons.
I'm sure there's a word for it, other than "delusional".
OES, thanks for stopping by anyways.

Knightwriter, I have a friend who actually did a M.A. thesis on American Idol...Obviously we take this shit way too seriously up here. As for Nigel. You'd think with that name he'd have learned not to cast too many stones.

Stellaa...That's a Toronto accent. And the U.S. host for the first season was unwatchable. Then they realized it was mostly twelve year old girls watching, so they brought in this British children's t.v. show star. She's great.

re level of choreograpphy. You got to keep in mind that these dancers having been dancing and learning non-stop for 9 weeks. They are learning two, sometimes four (as they get into the last weeks) different choreographys each week. They're suffering from injuries, exhaustion, and the stress of changing partners every week. So cut them a little slack. The skill level on this show is so much more demanding than AI. And so much less rewarding, financially and professionally. But I also think the camerawork limits the choreography. I find the Canadian choreography a little more challenging (which you can see over at my season recap post).


Thanks AIM. I'm still going to be enjoying it no matter what. This just gives me something to grumble about, since I mostly like everything about the show.
The camera work is definitely second rate on the U.S. show.
Viewers have been complaining about it for at least two years that I am aware of, I hope and have my fingers crossed that Nigel has heard about it and fixes the problem.
I loved what Knightwriter and Stellaa had to say. If they ever do a reality show called "So You Think You Can Write?" (anywhere), I want you as the first judge or at least as a definite contestant. Because you can and you do it so well.
You got skills girl, your critique is excellent.

Camera work on dance is difficult. Plus, I would imagine the temptation to make the performances look more MTVish for the audience raised on quick frame changes plays a part in the director's decision. SYTYCD has gained a broader audience (myself included) of people who never really appreciated dance for the many styles and expressions. I think there has been more of an attempt to play to this new audience for fear they will not just appreciate dance for dance sake. It is TV and TV success is about numbers.

I like the show because it promotes something that seems to be lost in this country, good honest talent and the beauty of fluid motion and performance. The judging for the most part is honest and sure they get a little over the top with trying to generate "excitement" and Mia who is an excellent choreographer does make some of the more cryptic and creeper statements on the show. But, I can over look it all when you see the dance.

America Got Talent is sort of a mix of the Gong Show meets Jerry Springer. But, they are playing to another audience who would be just as happy watching a smack down cage match. And Dancing With the Stars is a joke and an insult to dance. It actually gains ratings when the performers fail or faint or break something. So look for more train wrecks in the future for that show.

I hope more shows like SYTYCD raise the level of appreciation for performing arts, because God knows TV has done its best to lower the collective IQ of America. I hope success does not kill the show.
This was a fascinating post. I've never watched SYTYCD, and I was entertained with the dancing and Jean Marc Genereux, frustrated with the crappy camera work, and amazed by Nico. Gosh, that guy is so cool. Thanks for the guided tour. I'll have to give the show a try!
Gee thanks Cartouche, I'm blushing.

And Mike. As you'll see from the Canadian clips, this can be done well without making it MTV. That said, there is a something kind of charming about the dance competition texture of the show. But SYTYCD can't compete with the gong show shame level. So it's got to compete with what it has, a higher skill level.

I don't think they've made a conscious choice to keep it quirky. This feels more to me like FOX doing it on the cheap. They have so much talent on this show. They should do it a little more justice.
Brilliant, Juliet. This is very interesting and funny (in a tragic sort of way). You should email this to the show's producers. And let us know if you get a response.
Heavy details - and I agree with the camera work. Never thought of that but now it makes perfect sense in light of the little voice in my gut now getting more attention because of your post :P

peece!
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Juliet, thanks for this great post. I've been frustrated with the camera work on this show since I first got addicted in season 3. The lighting is especially awful. Instead of enhancing the dance, it shines in our eyes and prevents us from seeing what's going on. It's all the more frustrating now that I see the good work done in the Canadian version. Here's hoping that the producers see your post!
Holy moley!

You da girl!

This is one of the best, most professional, threads I've ever read.

Haven't viewed all the video yet. Will do so as soon as I finish repairing the fish pond which decided to spring a leak right after all the greenery around the pond finally sprang to life.

This IS one hell of a post!
Yes1 Thank you. I lead a music and dance company and I find the single hardest thing is to get camera people to see the relationship between the dancer and the stage. Bits of dancers are always being cut off, that is when they're not disappearing all togther by doing something utterly unexpected like moving.
Cheers
I HATE the judges. I dont care about their industry stripes, the producers is DULL. That screachy lady is REPULSIVE and that third spot - the gay guy is idiotic and mean, and the modern dance lady is gross and random. PLus they go into cities and they dont know the regional styles. Most american cities have regional dance styles and this show ignores them all in favor of a few borish catagories they understand. Watching Youtube dance clips is 1000% more entertaining.
Camera work in general has really gone downhill over the years. I was watching some of the dance teams on Britain's Got Talent and cursing that annoying ground-level sweeping shot that TV producers just love.

In fact, bad camera work inspired my very first Open Salon post during the opening ceremonies of the 2008 Olympics. I just wish Busby Berkeley was still around to talk some sense into these people...
this is an INCREDIBLE piece! Thank you for your observations and for your veryinteresting, very in-depth critique.

I'll never watch that show with the same level of ignorance again, (and you can't put a price on being the smartest TV watcher in the room!)
An excellent piece of criticism. Camera work is so essential to good television, never mind dance. I remember years ago being at some big media event with a lot of international press. I was talking to a producer from CBS or NBC and remember him saying that they scooped up the CBC cameramen at the Olympics because they they were so well trained and professional that they didn't have to do anything other than give them the equipment.

More importantly, I am now going to start watching the Canadian version of SYTYCD. Whoopeee!!! And it's all because of you, Juliet.
This was the kind of in-depth critiquing that can entice viewers who may not have watched it before, of whom I am one.

Well done, and as mentioned before, I can't imagine the time it took to get all of those clips coordinated.

Excellent!
Thank you for reminding me to look. I keep forgetting how important it is.
I, too despise the camera work. I don't know what rocket scientists think that we don't need to see the footwork or the use of space. It needs to stop now.
They could ban white people.
Wonderful job on this critique piece. My 10-year-old dancer daughter, when watching last year (and we NEVER miss an episode), said, "where's Katee?" more than once. We agreed then that the camera work on this show was dismal. I hope it's better this year. We love the show, but that's just awful.
Front page of Big Salon! Woot woot!
Before this post I had never even heard of this show! And yes, I do live under a rock for most of the year. The rest of the time I spend in a tree.

Great critique!
Wow, this was fun. I mainly don't watch TV and I've tried with the dance shows, but I don't give a damn about what the dancers or judges have to say, just want to see the movement. I've always loved apache, had no idea it was back as "angry dance." I should force myself to watch more TV. Fox, eh? I thought all this stuff was on Bravo. Shows my vast ignorance of television.
For some inexplicable reason, American camera operators seem to have lost the ability to keep their subjects framed (if they ever had it to begin with).

Well stated post. But don't get your hopes up about the Canadian camera crew unless they're union. ;-D

Thumbed.
Hey Everyone, I am so thrilled at the readership on this post because I love the show and I really want it to be as good as it can be.

I'm going to address the comments in reverse order because I want to deal with Bill's very valid point about U.S. camera crews being unionized. I don't actually think you need a Canadian camera crew (and as Emma pointed out, I'm sure a lot of the camera crew probably is Canadian) what you need is for Fox to decide it's going to raise its game on this show and do what needs to be done: like hire stand ins so that the crew can properly prepare itself for these routines. I have hope because the two shows do have a very symbiotic relationship. Mia Michaels was in Montreal last week for the auditions for season 2 (which starts immediately after the American one ends). Many of American judges and choreographers also work on SYTYCD (CA) and they will definitely notice the difference. I would be very surprised if THEY are willing to endure the lower standards this season. So we may all be in for a surprise.

I'm so happy about luring new fans to this show (it gets better after Vegas, I swear.) So thanks Emma, Buffy, Sirenita, Hellbells and Mary Stuart and hopefully, Gracielou

Yes, Shaggylocks, BIG SALON. If I wish one thing to come out of more attention, it's that this post somehow makes it to somebody on last seasons crew (Canadian) because they did such a phenomenal job and I hope they know that some people actually noticed this.

Frank. Good luck with the fishpond and I really look forward to having a hardcore fan to follow this in the next couple of months.

Stephen Dick, if this raises consciousness about this problem then I would die happy.

Steve Blevins. Oh stop! *blush*. And thanks for your lovely comments on my other posts.

Sorry for people I've neglected, but I have pizza burning. But thanks for stopping by.
OMG, I forgot MaryTKelly. Please keep watching. Like/don't like is just fine for this show. But nothing wrong with putting a bit of pressure on those guys to make it as good as AI, production wise.
wow - never watched the show, clicked over here thinking there was some juicy gossip on TV that I'd missed, and here's this brilliant, technical deconstruction.

I can appreciate the differentiation in camera work - it's like when I have to watch sports on the local access channel instead of ESPN or the networks and it's excruciating.

I do wonder how much of it has to do with the proficiency of the crew vs the number of cameras? In sports, that makes a big difference. Does it here? Just wondering!

and oh well, I may even have to start watching. You know, for the camera work critique :-)
Fantastic recap. And I am so with you re: bad camera work while they're dancing. Sometimes it's the fault of the director who's in a booth shouting out: "Camera 2, camera 3, no 2, now go to 4 - zoom out, oh now go to 2!!" etc, ad seasickness.
Well, here I am finding this a month after it was posted.

Wow, thanks for the detailed analysis! This is actually one of my pet peeves as well having been a HUGE dance fan and having almost gotten a PhD in film/TV back in the day (1980.)

I agree that the Canadian team does a better job of framing but one thing that drives me CRAZY is that there are very few choreographers that choreograph for the camera and very few directors who shoot for dance. The exceptions? Gene Kelly and Bob Fosse.

So, for example, the shot tends to elongate movement from the vanishing point at the back of the frame toward the front of the stage making it magically big and exciting. The Canadian team caught one of these back to front movements perfectly as a dancer slid from the rear of the stage into the camera.

Best example of this choreographing for camera/directing for dance is Gene Kelly and Cyd Charisse from Singin in the Rain (choreographed AND directed by Gene Kelly) in the famous shot where Kelly slides from the back of the stage on his knees to the front of the stage and runs into Charisse's mile long leg.

I realize that one static shot looking at the stage is boring but there's got to be a better way than a bunch of mindless cutting AND (my biggest beef) the consistently used handheld-camera-circling-the dancers! EEESH. It's not choreagraphed in a circle, folks! It's distracting and disorienting.

We won't see the likes of Kelly or Fosse again and the tradition of Vege-matic editing we can blame on MTV, may they...hey, it's OK. A bunch of dancers have actually been able to get paid because of them.

SYTYCD directors (especially U.S.!) actually WATCH the freaking choreography and PLAN your shots!!!!!

Eesh.

Attached see Kelly and Charisse. Mwah.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YWBOfsXsDA
Without getting into great detail, you are blaming the wrong group of people. The camera operators they use in the States and the ones they use in Canada are all skilled professionals. What any good operator needs is a good director to give the cameras proper "blocking". If a dance or musical number is well blocked and well rehearsed you should see every move that intended to be seen. In music one wouldn't want to miss the guitar solo so there is an assistant counting bars to let the director know when it's coming so another assistant director can call out the shot number that corresponds to the blocking notes. Wow....a guitar solo and spot on where it should be. I was a camera operator for 30 years and it burned my ass to work with directors who wouldn't block music or dance or skating and would miss highlights. You're not alone. Just placing the blame on the wrong group of people who do an amazing job with what they are given.