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JULY 17, 2009 12:52PM

SYTYCD: One dance, two countries

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One of the great things about being a Canadian fan of So You Think You Can Dance is that I get to see the same choreography performed on both the Canadian and American versions of the show.

Last season American choreographers Tony Meredith and Melanie LaPatin put together a Paso Doble for SYTYCD Canada that was, I think, one of the best performances in the history of the franchise.

But when they tried the same choreography this week on the American show,  it was nothing less than laughably bad.  Both dancers were eliminated last night, and judge Debbie Allen tried to blame it on the Paso, a dance she says has been done to death.

Maybe I'm showing a national bias.  But what do you think?

Here's the Canadian Paso

 

And here's the American one. (If you want to skip the rehearsal, fast forward to about minute 2:00.)

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OMG! That ranks right up there, in excellence with Maksim and MEl B and a couple of other American dancers who managed to pull off incredible Paso Dobles. Sorry but especially when you see the two next together, there is no comparision, the Canadian version being an absolute thing of beauty! Lame remark on the part of Debbie Allen. I disagree and do not think the Paso has been done to death. Hip HOp has! okay Just my .02 worth:)
Yeah. I was willing to let the whole thing slide until Debbie Allen made that comment. What an insult to Tony and Melanie. It's an awesome piece of choreography and unfortunately it fell into the hands of dancers who couldn't pull it off. I get that she's trying to soften the blow, but I 'd like to see her sit there and get insulted like that.
It's true. Paso doble has been done ad museum....ha.......ha.....I'm still laughing at that (referencing a comment Juliet made on another blog.)
Hi Juliet. I had to sign up for Open Salon JUST so that I could comment on your post. (I've been reading your blog for weeks, though.) Being, like you, an uncontainable fan of SYTYCD Canada, I couldn't help but also notice the terrible but hilarious discrepancy between the US and Canadian performances of this number. Kupono and Randi looked like a pair of squeaky muppets (I was going to say Kermit and Miss Piggy, but that might sound like I'm commenting on Randi's physique, which I'm not) doing a grotesque satire of the Paso Doble. I felt so ashamed watching them that I'd have turned the channel PRONTO had it not been for my strangely pleasurable sense of voyeuristic horror. Randi was a squeamish midwestern suburbanite at the mall, making her best gesture toward the glamour of a Disney Carmen, while Kupono flailed his boney arms around valiantly and managed merely, barely, to move her across the floor like a dead, red mop. The Canadians Natalie and Francis, on the other hand, send the blood racing to a fever. She is a poisonous viper who alternates between baring her throat in submission and lashing out, while he literally wears her like an expensive garment, wrapping her glamorousness around himself only to throw her off again. My goodness, it's a torrid, impetuous, cheap romance and I love it!

I can't imagine any of this year's crop of American competitors matching Natalie and Francis in this number, but I think Kayla and Ade (or maybe Brandon and Janette) could at least have taken an admirable stab at it. Thinking back, though, I think any of the SYTYCD Canada dancers would have done this Paso more justice than was done this week.
So glad they put this on the cover. Maybe if people only have an easy click to watch some of these performances they will be more likely to watch the show.

There's no competition. Canada kicks ass here. So, that means you have SYTYCD paso doble dancing and Vancouver. You're catching up...
Beth. Ha! I haven't revealed who make that ad museum mistake, but I bet everyone would be really surprised.

William, Welcome! I, and I'm sure I'm also speaking for Knightwriter when I say this, am really feeling the absence of SYTYCD fans on OS. We get a lot of views on our recaps, so we know there are fans out there. But if would be great if other regular readers could join in the discussion. It makes it so much more fun.

I love your interpretation of both dances. I don't know where to start with what was wrong with that Paso. Mostly just the lack of STRENGTH. Kupono just isn't strong enough to lift anyone, even Randi, who's tiny. He made her look clunky because he could lift her, or propel her in anyway. It just wasn't their dance. But it does go to show how really difficult ballroom can be.

And Debbie Allen can not speak at my funeral anymore. [Now flouncing off in my big skirt.]

I'm back. Hey KW. Don't forget Montreal.
Agreed Canada kicked Ass!!!!!!!!!
Find a Broadway video called "Burn the Floor," the first, not the second one. You are going to love it. That is dancing.
Wow--I watched the American version when it aired, didn't think it was very good. While I didn't blame the choreographers, I didn't think the choreography was exceptional. Until now, that is. Wow--the Canadian couple did that piece justice. It was so engaging. After watching both couples I now see it really was the dancers. I never was a fan of either Randi or Kopono, and this side by side comparison you've so kindly provided demonstrates exactly where their weaknesses lie. They have each been good in some numbers, but the winner really ought to be someone who is versatile and talented enough to excel in any genre.

Can you tell I'm a big fan of the show? :)
I've liked Randi all season and would LOVE to agree with Debbie Allen. But I can't. The paso is a beautiful dance and that performance was just... clunky and awkward.
Thoth, I'll make sure to check that out.

Susan and Sweet D. Mary and Nigel had the advantage of having seen it done in Canada. Mary was here for the finale where they danced it again. And Nigel is the creator of the show, so I'm sure he's seen it. Hope they sit Debbie down to watch it, because as a choreographer herself, she should be more careful.

On a side note. They're obviously trying some stuff up here first before they bring it to the American show. There was a lovely African Jazz routine done up here. I missed it on the American show (I made the mistake of thinking the show was over, and turned it off.) But keep an eye out for House, which is a really cool old school kind of Hip Hop. I bet you money they're going to do that soon.
I forgot Montreal. Although I stayed at a bed and breakfast there once and it felt like East Berlin - so I will give you PART of Montreal.

And you have mounties. How I love the mounties. Oooh, and Ryan Reynolds. Thank you so much for him.
This is because hockey season is over, isn't it?
Stellaa, you are such a tough audience. But I know if I keep forcefeeding you these, eventually you'll soften.

No you probably won't. But what do you want? I'm a Canadian girl raised on figureskating. I love the cheese.

And Douglas. Yes, I have to fill the void somehow. Especially in Montreal where there's no baseball.
Oh nobody rates these dance posts. But it's okay. I'm willing to suffer for their art. We dancers, and dance bloggers, never get the appreciation we deserve. [*sniffle* blowing nose on my flouncy Paso Doble skirt]

But I will see about starting a fund for a rehabilitation camp. Or you could watch the last few weeks Stellaa. It's going to be awesome. These final dancers are really good.
My goodness, Stellaa! You don't wear a pair of jeans and a sweatshirt with a unicorn on it to do a Paso Doble! Though, on second thought, I'd kinda love to see that happen. Maybe you're onto something.
I read your (collective) re-caps every week, but I never see the latest SYTYCD until at least Friday night, at which point the conversations seem pretty much done.

But re: this week's shows, I will say "BollyWOW" and just die laughing all over again. That and "it's no longer a competition, it's a conversation."

Here is my Canada vs. US breakdown:

Yes, this particular piece was a trainwreck in its American incarnation. Which is saying a lot, since with the awful costumes they inflicted on Kupono and Randy, you'd have hoped we'd have just failed to notice the dancing. Kupono's ruffle along one might expect to induce sufficient bursts of blinding light to almost totally obscure the flaws in even an average performance. But ohhh no, they had to outdo themselves with the terrible on this routine.

However, in terms of the shows in general, I'll trade crappy camera work for having to listen to Jean Marc Genereux's weekly histrionics and unintentional sexual innuendos any day (what was his Hot Tamale Train, the hot rocket to the stars or something? Ick). Though when he shows up on the US show he is about 10 times more annoying, and he moves from unintentional sexual innuendo to flatly gross sexual acting out, so I will give Canada points for finding some mysterious way of restraining his creepy libido. Is it the cold, maybe? ;P

On the other hand, take Mary Murphy's screams, please, and in exchange Nico can come stay with us. Sound fair to you? kthx

On the other other hand, Nico made the show so boring whenever he wasn't on, because you knew who the shoe-in was practically from the get go.

So I'll call that a draw.

And finally, host Leah Miller was like a "Simon and the Chipmunks" version of Cat Deely with a Mean Girl twist. I felt like Q-Tipping my ears out every time she opened her mouth. There wasn't a single fantastic performance whose moment she didn't manage to shatter into little irritating pieces every time she jumped in (practically before the last bar of music faded away) with an inauthentic, screeching superlative. If there was ever a SYTYCD Canada drinking game, you would take 2 shots every time she called for a group hug and be well and truly wasted after 3 performances or less.

Oh, and Australia's show beats both of these hands down, in quality of choreography, dancing, and judging. God I miss Jason every time Nigel opens his mouth. (no national pride in my analysis, either, I have exactly zero ties to Australia)
DonaQ: Hi-larious! But although no warm-blooded Canuck will ever willingly hand over Nico, you'll be happy to know that Ms. Murphy took the liberty of making herself an honourary Canadian while here in Toronto, so your dreams are half-way fulfilled. How 'bout this: You keep Jean-Marc, and we'll throw in Celine Dion.... permanently. Deal? Deal.

I was hoping no one down there would notice Leah Miller, Officiating Chipmunk. Damn. But remember that you guys had to import glamazon Cat Deeley after, um, what was her name? the zombie who hosted Season 1. If we could afford to import any Briton as host, I'd vote for Ricky Gervais. Or better yet, Stephen Fry. Now THAT would be worth watching!
AHA. I get it. I'm heading over there right now. But it's not fair to compare these couples to professionals. They've had an average of five hours to work on these dances. They usually also have to master a group number as well , and as the show progresses, the couples have to master two routines a week. It's not the same as learning a song by heart. They're really killing themselves on this show.
On the Paso competition. Impressive, but I missed the lifts and the throws.

But Let's Dance????!!!!!! What WAS that. LMSO (laughing my skirt off)
I read that. And will forevermore being looking for an opportunity to criticize someone for being "vestida como la Barbie princesa horriblee."
Admittedly, the Canadian dancers do a better job with this. R & K looked like they were in a high school dance number comparatively. But for all the of the reasons stated by others, I found SYTYCDC unbearable to watch. It seemed like a low rent version of it's American cousin. These shows are as much about the hosts and the commentary and the other components as they are about the dance, and when that is off, everything is off. And why can't Canadians do lighting yet? All Canadian produced tv shows suffer from this--makes them look cheap. One last bit about the Canadian dance version of the Paso. The music was very much more traditional, thus less challenging to synch up with, but also less difficult to rise to (wasn't a comment that the music overpowered the performance?). R & K did NOT do a good job--zero on the hot tamale scale (if you will), but there was a grandeur missing from the Canadian performance as well, possibly because of the music and costumes and lighting (and where was the death spin?).
I can't disagree about our host. But, Tess, I'm puzzled, to say the least, how you can argue that the technical production on the Canadian show is worse. I did an entire post comparing the camera work and lighting on both shows. And NOBODY disagreed me on how much better the Canadian technical crew was.

And what are you saying, that Francis and Natalie wouldn't have been able to pull off the death spiral?

Hmm....I think you just didn't watch the Canadian season.
And as for the judges. Yeah I'm not high on Jean Marc and Blake. But I love Tre and Luther. Rex Harrison is fine as long as he doesn't overdo the sexy rexy thing. And Dan Karaty. What's happened to Dan Karaty on the American show? He's adorable. Plus we get all the American judges up here too, Lil C, Mary, Mia Michaels, Kenny Ortega. They all come up to guest judge. Plus we have some kick-ass choreographers. NO WAY. Anyone who watched the Canadian season all the way through thought it was as good, if not better, than the American one.

Low rent? Huh?
DonaQ, I just realized I didn't respond to your thoughtful, articulate comment. Got distracted by Stellaa amazing Paso clips [please, everyone, you have to watch the skirt one. I'm going to find a way to work it into a recap at some point.]

It's true that Nico's inarguable super hotness took some of the tension out of the competition. But what he took away, he gave back in just being the best all around performer I've seen so far in the franchise. He had chemistry with EVERY single woman on that show. He was a virtually laboratory of dance chemistry. It was crazy. And the girls were SO good. Compare Allie to Melissa, the way she made her ballet solos so original and quirky. The one point shoe, the Tam O'Shanter outfit. And Natalie....okay I'm going to let a bit Pierre Marc SOB now....but she was SO MUCH MORE than just a sexy latin dancer....And Arissay?!!!!!!!!! There isn't a single dancer on the American show that i think didn't deserve to be eliminate...okay maybe Max....But on the Canadian show, it seemed like every other week was an injustice. From the first week with Kevin, then that beautiful Romana (sp?) then Vincent (although Mia Michaels offered him a job on the spot, remember "I will be fighting my way the front of the line to hire you!", so it didn't seem quite as sad as usual.)

Haven't seen the Australian one. I only watched one clip, the finale, and the host seemed kind of old, and the final couple, a little on the pudgy side. But I'll try and keep an open mind if the chance to watch it again comes up.
I tried to watch the Canadian season, but couldn't do it--I found the judges and the host too annoying. I gave up early. You are obviously far more dedicated than I to have written a post about production values alone, and it may be that the youtube clip gives the whole enterprise a weird tint, but I remember thinking the lighting was off when I watched the show, too. Maybe it improved as it went along??? The show did seem watered down to me, in general, however. Again, I didn't watch after the first few episodes...
Hope you give it more of a shot this year. I know, I know, it's hard after an entire season in the American one. It's like dance overload. But I think too many assumed it wouldn't be as good. And, honestly, I believe it was better in almost every way....So here's hoping they replace the host.

And it's not youtube tint. A lot of the American fans have been complaining about the production values on the American show. Their lighting is consistently awful, and there's rarely any shadow work. I'm not saying that there isn't crappy production on some Canadian shows (although less and less). But not in this. As someone pointed out on the post I did, Canadian are world class at sports camerawork, and the U.S. networks routinely poach our crews.
That hair flailing around really got on my nerves (Canadian). Also American hair the other night too. Yikes! give me tango hair anyday. Other than that and the ugly pink costume, Canadians win on this one. Obviously, since the Americans got voted off this week!
I completely agree, Canada wins...but I'd like to say that the costume did not help Randi at all....I have also loved her this season and when she came out I did not even recognize her!!! The costume, the WIG (wht the heck??) ...just horrible. They looked uncomfortable and clunky...but I have to agree that it was not the choreography after seeing this. Thank you for sharing.
Those quibbling with hair and dresses are missing the forest for the trees: Natalie is hot, hot, hot, and her loose blonde locks flailing around and overproduced pink-and-black skirt only add to her vaguely slatternly hotness. Watch how she moves, goddamn it! As I recall, she's a Tel-Aviv/Montreal hybrid, and even no less than Queen of all Feelings (TM) herself, Mia Michaels, recognized that the girl dances with every fiber of her being. Check out some of her other performances. There's not a one in which she isn't utterly committed.

As for lighting, editing, and camera work, Juliet has already proved beyond a doubt that the more northerly dance show is superior. Cat Deeley, however, is unsurpassed. I have dreams in which she's my BFF.
Hear. Hear. Anyone who wants to see more Natalie pieces. Or more SYTYCD Canada pieces, can see them here at : my season recap post.
Sorry, but I think hair and costume are part of the whole package....I agree she is a totally committed dancer and I respect that. But when something distracts me from the gorgeous lines, I just hate that!
Kittwarn. I'd agree with you if this was an Olympic ballroom competition. But this is theatrical performance choreography. This is a gypsy Paso. Putting tango hair on it would be absurd.
However, for people who aren't fans of the dress, here's Natalie with the next best thing to no clothes .
And here she is doing another LePatin/Meredith dance with no hair and plenty of lines.