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Walter Blevins

Walter Blevins
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Vista, California, USA
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I'm a 60 year old guy who lives in Vista California with my wife. I spent the 30 years before moving to Cali in Iowa, Wisconsin and North Dakota. And I have 2 grown children, a son and a daughter who live in Virginia and Iowa and a 22 year old step-daughter lives with us here in Vista. I'm a proud grandpa with 2 grandaughters living in Virginia. I like to write about a whole variety of things from my kids to cooking to politics to the car industry to my status as a "Cheap Bastid" and "Old Fart" and just random thoughts. And I really love writing about cooking really good, homecooked comfort food cheap. That's why they call me the Cheap Bastid. By the way--all the stuff I write is my stuff and you can't use it without my official OkeyDokey

AUGUST 28, 2012 10:41AM

A Guy Walks Into His Bank...

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A guy walks into his bank looking for a home improvement loan of $100,000.  That’s no big thing most of the time.  And it’s not an unreasonable amount. 

   

He sits down with a loan officer.  They discuss his plan.  They discuss his credit worthiness.  And the loan officer tells him that there’s only one way to finance the project.  It will be a loan on which he pays nothing for the first 20 years and then he must pay the principal and interest over a second 20 years.  It’s a total of 40 years.  Oh and by the way, the total of principal and interest payments will be $1,000,000 with no ability to pre-pay.

Should he do it?  Would you do it?  Is this a good deal? 

 

Well yeah, it’s a good deal for the bank.  And that’s one of the things that is going on these days in some school districts as they look for ways to finance construction projects with school bonds.  Scary.

The Poway, California Unified School District revealed recently (actually, the media got hold of an article written by a Michigan author on the Poway bond and spilled it over onto local newspapers and TV stations) that it is using a bond called “Capital Appreciation Bonds” to complete the renovation of several schools in its district.

Poway’s bond issue will be for $105 million.  The total amount of principal and interest will be $982 million.  When the district starts to repay the bonds in 20 years it will cost nearly $50 million per year in principal and interest to pay off bonds that are 20 years old when the first payment is made.  Think some of those renovated schools will need additional renovation by then?

poway bond

 source: Voice of San Diego

 

According to an article in “The Voice of San Diego”, “capital appreciation bonds work by tapping future growth in property values to pay today’s debts, a concept considered by many in the school bond business to be both risky and inequitable.”

 

When this came to light recently, there were quite a few people in Poway who were understandably upset.

 

To start making this long story short, the State of California is now looking at an outright ban on CABs and the County Treasurer of Los Angeles County just sent an open letter to school officials in California warning against the use of these bonds.

 

But Poway is going to have to live with it for 40 years.  School officials in that city have tried to rationalize their use of the CAB as doing what the voters wanted.  However, it is now being revealed that when the bond issue authorization was approved by voters that there was never a mention of the repayment period or the nature of the bonds.  Did the School Board and top administrators mislead the voting public? 

 

What should these people have done?  How about an honest, straightforward public hearing/meeting/forum in which all the cards were laid face-up on the table?  It seems to me that the school district did a miserable job of communicating with the people who are going to have to pick up the tab.

 

This is a woeful example of pretty much what is wrong with government at all levels.  Nobody seems to understand that 1) government finance (including bonds) are provided by the taxpayers, 2) government projects are designed to serve and benefit the taxpayers, 3) not informing taxpayers of the true cost of something is the worst form of malfeasance.

 

In other words these officials forgot whose money they were spending and on whose behalf.  All they had to do was ask them again—tell the public that there were some problems, develop some alternatives and ask for guidance.  That’s not so hard.  Now some elected officials will pay for it by getting tossed out of office by voters, some administrators will probably be leaving soon to “pursue other interests” and the voters will still be left to pick up the tab. 

 

Seems like everybody loses.  Oops, no the bank and bond holders win. 

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After saying holy sh*t after seeing the 1 mil, I then thought about it. I am 61, in twenty years I will be 81.
I probably woldn't care.
$50 a year in principle and interest isn't too bad...is it me or do these numbers seem strange...in an already strange situation
Yep Judith, you're right. Except in this case, taxpayers are on the hook for nearly twice as long and for more than twice as much. From what I was reading, the bonds "make sense" ONLY if property values appreciate at the rate they did 5-10 years ago (at the peak of the "housing bubble" which precipitated the mortgage and banking collapse of 3-4 years ago)
Judith--sorry about that. It's $50 MILLION per year for 20 years which is a billion dollars to pay off 100 million in debt.
Ahh, the price that Republicans will pay to avoid raising taxes. The people of Poway are now about to dump their obligations on their children and grandchildren, who if they have any sense will find another place to live.
Bond issues have long been a source of under-the-table income for a few dishonest officals. Back home, every time a bond issue would be proposed, the standing joke around the coffee shop was that the school superintendent must need a new house or car, or boat.
I remember when that hit the news. I never trusted Poway. Always looked like a Stepford town to me. But I am goofy. Anyone could get in a fix like this very easily now days. Good reporting. Thanks.
w jmac here 100% great post, Walt!

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JMac--thank you and I can't disagree whatsoever with your assessment. Bottom line, is that the quest for not increasing taxes today creates potential huge problems in the future--in this case future generations. Republicans would insist, however, that this is just like "Democrats"--robbing from Peter to pay Paul and encumbering future generations. All I know is that it sucks.

David--Good point. It isn't about doing the right thing anymore is it?

Zanelle--when I first read about this I was totally appalled. Read the Voice of San Diego article and you'll really get your eyes opened.

Jon--thank you. I just wish i could see the humor in this.
Dear Readers: Thanks for reading this. The formatting problems seem to be with OS. My original formatting in Word and then copy and pasting from there to Notepad and onto OS was correct and I can't get the "hard returns" to take in order to properly separate the paragraphs.
My apoligies for that.
And I know that I misspelled apologies.
Some of the kids who attend those schools as students will grow up to be the banksters who force the school districts into bankruptcy 40 years hence. If anything's still working by then.
I read stuff like this and just go crazy. But where are the young people? It's going to be their world????
ChickenMaan--I well recall discussions on school bond issues (and other things) during my many years in economic and community development in the Midwest and always the sentiment would come out about "future generations"--balancing the need to provide for them while not saddling them with unreasonable debt.
Doesn't seem to be the case here does it?

Gary--young people can't vote and don't "understand the issues" would seem to be the rationale. Also it seems to me that the bigger the area (this school district is part of the San Diego metro area) the less information ends up getting into the hands of the people/voters.
You got that right, Walt. The only winners are the banks./r
Christine--thanks. And it goes deeper than that. The entire manner in which government is funded at all levels is seriously flawed. It has evolved into a hydra-headed monster of taxes, fees, surcharges, etc. creating a spider's web that has ensnared the system in such a way that it is doubtful that it could ever be sorted out. And then we have crap like these "CABs"
When a country is as corrupt as ours has become, is there a solution? You certainly bring home the fact that we are in big trouble.
This is going on and the esteemed Mayor of LA is in Tampa reminding people...errr...of what ...err...I forget. Thanks for your reporting on something we should all be aware of.
Ellen--thanks. I don't know that I would call it corrupt but I certainly would call it dysfunctional at just about every level of government.

Buffy--thanks. The good news is that the L.A. County Treasurer has communicated with school officials in Sacramento and school administrators throughout the L.A. area strongly advising against this type of financing.
The biggest problem is that on all levels the banks have been given the green light to rook the rest of society at will. Says a lot about us that we accept that.
chesyre--thanks. however, with this "CAB" financing it's unlikely that the lender is a "bank" in the sense of how we think of a bank. This school district didn't walk into Wells Fargo or BofA looking for $100 million in financing.
This is an intolerable situation. The School Board has to declare bankruptcy and get the debt cancelled. If that doesn't work, burn the building down and claim a total loss. How could anyone be so stupid as to sign themselves into a deal like this? Makes my blood boil. The think that really makes no sense is the no prepayment clause. How is that even legal?
And what moron lent money to this school district on the basis of the belief that the future appreciated value of the property would offset the cost of a $1 billion debt? There are two problems with this: the only way to liquidate the future appreciated value of a property is (a) to sell it or (b) refinance it. No one is going to buy this building for $1 billion or anywhere close to that number, nor is anyone going to refinance it 20 years from now because, twenty years from now, the building will have the same value it has now. Public buildings don't appreciate in value the way private property does because there is no market for the building except for the current occupant.
"How about an honest, straightforward public hearing/meeting/forum in which all the cards were laid face-up on the table?" Would I sound like a horrible cynic if I replied with a hearty HAHAHAHAHAHAHA to this question?

You are so correct, though, Walter - if governmental entities at ALL levels set forth what is really going on in simple, straightforward, honest disclosure, we might actually have a real working culture instead of this uroborus creature.
sagemerlin--apparently it's totally legal. the thing that scared me is a report that said in order for this school district to cash flow this without a substantial tax hike is for real estate to return to an appreciation level like what was seen during the so-called "bubble" of 7 or 8 years ago. That's not likely to happen. There will definitely be bankruptcies of governmental units in California but what I fear (or perhaps anticipate is a better word) is that the cause will be unfunded pension/retiree health programs. That's more likely than over a bond like this.
I had no idea that something like this could even be done. Very informative - thanks.
Thanks for this report and your associated sentiments.

You wrote:

" . . . . the State of California is now looking at an outright ban on CABs . . . . . "

This is typical California nanny state thinking. It's just impossible to legislate common sense or wisdom. If the Members of the Poway don't have either of these now, collectively or severally, then no amount of legislation by any governmental unit is going to provide it. Thus, if the Poway school board is idiotic enough to agree to these terms in order to borrow money, then it's likely that they deserve whatever comes to them, or their district.

Once executed, such contracts will have the consequences you so accurately forsee. However, let me correct your assertion that it is that voters who will suffer. No, it's the taxpayers.
kit--you're right to laugh at the suggestion of having a public hearing/forum not required by statute. That's the Upper Midwest values in me where something like that might indeed happen.

Jeanette--thanks. It's amazing to me that the person who "blew the whistle" on this California district was a journalist in Michigan.

UncleChri--you're right, it's the taxpayers who will ultimately be left to pick up the tab for bad decision making and policy. But what else is new.
Oh my. So sad for Poway and its residents. No wonder so many Californians are fleeing to Colorado. ... But here in Colorado, we have what is called the TABOR Amendment, which means all new taxes must be put to a public vote. But this "taxpayers' bill of rights" has put a stranglehold on Colorado, and made it virtually impossible for the state to raise new taxes for the upkeep of important infrastructure. TABOR, along with other spending caps, has created a Gordian knot in Colorado, and put our state almost last for higher education spending, a critical growth area for the U.S.
Deborah--thanks. And it's like that here in California too. Poway had a vote to authorize a bond issue and taxes to repay it. But, the school board didn't fully disclose the nature of the bond (i.e. that it is a CAB). Now, since this has come out, people are furious.
Great title as an opening, but the punchline sucks.
alsoknownas--thanks. yeah I know the punchline sucks but by the time this story is through, there's no way that it's funny
Whole states are being put in an even worse position. At least the school districts get something up front. Walker and other governors (Dem as well as Republican) are going in for hundreds of millions in "venture capital funds" from private institutions to "fund job growth." But the CAPs aren't what they appear to be. They're backed by private bond funds--my guess is, so is the Poway deal, since a bank probably wouldn't be able or willing to do this for them without private bond market backing. (That won't be immediately apparent, and the bank might not want to say, but they're somewhere in the background, I can smell it.) With the CAPs, the states GIVE hundreds of millions in public funds to be invested, and supposedly some of the profit will be used to start up jobs. Of course, in the past, the jobs never materialized when these sorts of deals were cut on a smaller scale. Now the scale is huge. What this is, is the bond fund guys going, "Oh, the banks got their giant cut of the public pie, we want ours." Only their appetite is much, much, much bigger. Walker wants to start with $400 million, and he doesn't care too much who it goes to, so long as its private and so long as the deal is open-ended about giving even more if the jobs don't magically appear...you know, the problem will be diagnosed as, "Well, you didn't give us ENOUGH." Needless to say, you never get to see what the bank or the bond fund or the emirate or whoever is investing the money in...or what they're collateralizing on in the case of the Poway structure...I mean, you do realize that they will use the promise to pay back the $1 billion as collateral on their books against prime investments. Meaning they'll make money two ways til Friday, even if the have a bond fund daddy double dipping....whew.

And people said the financial stuff was all over with. This is what you get when you roll over and play dead with these guys. They kill you all over again, just to make sure.

Rated.
Notice that if there is a private bond fund backing the bank in the Poway deal, that makes hash out of the distinction between private and public. In fact, all these deals have the same effect. With all the free money in the world going into finance, and nothing coming out, there was never going to be anything other than a proliferation of these kinds of deals througout the entire system. With all the control, and discretion, and oversight, in private hands. And all the profit, too.
By the way, it's only the next step...the $400 million Walker wants to start with--the numbers are much bigger in some other states--will be put on the state books as SAVINGS. It'll count towards drawing down the deficit because, hey, it's going to come back in the form of jobs. Someday. Somehow.

The Poway deal is an interesting mutation, though, the "creative" guys are at work. Creepy.
BOKO--thanks, you understand this far better than I do. One clarification though, there were no "banks" in the traditional sense involved in the Poway Capital Appreciation Bond. My reference to banks was only in the opening of the post to try to put context to what is going on. One can only hope that the "word is out" on these CABs as a horrible way for public bodies to secure bond financing and a complete disservice to the taxpayers who will be picking up the tab.
They're going to let these people feed on us until we do something about it.
Um...hmm...Walter, you have to realize how public bond issues work. Normally. And during a crisis of government revenue shortfalls. When a public entity issues bond, they have to sell it to investors. That means they go to the bond market--there's a public AND private side to this "market"--and sell the bond at a kind of auction. Or they can sell it all at once to typically big buyers, bond funds and/or banks. But regardless of who you sell them TO, somebody has to act as the guarantor. With public bond, that's typically the state, municipality, school district, whatever level or type of public entity that is doing the issue. But since the school district is broke, no one will buy their bonds. So they'll have to get a financial institution--i.e. whomever gave them this rotten idea--to act as guarantor. Once you have your sugar daddy in the market, shit turns to gold, and Voila! Bonds-away! The district gets their money, but they owe the accruement...this is VERY important...to the guarantor. After all, the district doesn't owe it to themselves. Meanwhile the investors in the bonds will make money on whatever the guarantor protects them with, and the guarantor gets to use the promise of the district to repay at this enormous rate as collateral--THE FULL FINAL AMOUNT, RIGHT THIS INSTANT, TODAY--to invest on. Which kinda makes it worthwhile for the guarantor. Notice these investments are UNavailable to you or me or the school district--or God for that matter. Because in fact the "investors" are other bond funds, too, or banks, or hedge funds, or......now do you get it? There should be carney music in the background by this point.
cont'd - The guarantor will make many billions on the billion collateralized as such, in the first ten seconds after the papers are signed, since they have access to high frequency trading markets where such fantastical things happen every day...every millisecond in fact. And it's important to stay ahead of the game, and keep all your balls in the air....because inevitably very very little real money is going into the system, however much it appears to be spitting out, and minor fluctuations may cause several planets to collide. But not to worry (at least if you're a bond fund or big bank), the risk is already structured in, and that belongs to you and me in a larger sense.

Still, even after all that, when the accruement comes due, the guarantor (or whomever owns them by that point, probably JP Morgan, because they may own everyone by that point) WILL want their billion dollars on top of everything else! Because that's just who they are and it's the natural order of things and big fish eats little fish and blah blah blah give us all your freakin' money!
skinnydave--Thanks for the comment. Unfortunately we let the "finance types" and many of our elected reps feed on us way too much. And we've let it happen, dammit.
BOKO--thanks for elaborating. I've worked with bonds in the past in the arena of economic and community development. Not from the perspective you describe however.
when does the "benign" part of "benign v. predatory" capitalism kick in?

my god. i'm beginning to feel almost thankful for cameron...almost.
stu pot--thanks. I sure wish I knew when the "benign" part kicks in. Seems like the "money people" are always one step ahead of whatever new regulatory rules are made. And each step is a bit more convoluted--it's the ultimate game of twister when the rest of us all think it's a game of hop scotch
Walter - The fact that basically NO public entity can act as their own guarantor anymore--except the federal treasury, and there, too, they have a sugar daddy--is testament to how far gone things are already. Public debt (miniscule compared to the trillions in derivatives and other hinky stuff built into the private part of the system) is what makes the public sector a "bad risk" today, while financial instruments nicknamed things like Wallyworld and Yachoo (who could make this up?) are considered "good risk." Obviously in that kind of world, who gets to define risk, and within what parameters, is one of the lynchpins. People who keep supporting these fantasy markets, and praying that everything will work out all right at the end of the day, are really just supporting the conditions that make this evil backwardness possible...where all these institutions are taking bets on each other's evil and each of them is hoping that their evil will go farther and be even more evil than the rest. To put it in old-school Christian terms, that is definitely not a good work.
pretty much the same thing happened on a NATIONWIDE scale back in 2008 with TARP. except that the public still hasnt really figured it out based on the accounting sleight of hand mostly by the FED. and that boondoggle cost taxpayers hundreds of billions, even trillions.
I'll send yo a PM on how to fix those breaks
Eek. And I wonder how commission is paid on this type of instrument? I assume someone got commission income from it. And I'm betting it might be more highly commissionable than other, more traditional approaches. But that's just ex-sales-support me being cynical.