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SEPTEMBER 15, 2009 10:56AM

Innocence or Racism?

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untitled Graydon and Kylie kissing 

Would they be kissing each other if they had different skin color?

This spontaneous act of affection that completely caught the parents and those observing, so off guard, begs the question:

What draws two children together in the early stirrings of affection, trust and a common bond?

Is this innocent pairing of toddlers a predisposition of their DNA?

What do they know of their cultural backgrounds, opposing religious beliefs, parents of differing means and social standing?

Are they the product of  selective breeding with children of the same color, same race, backgrounds and values?  Will they ever know or experience strong prejudice?  Are we born into racism? 

Have we evolved enough to prevent our children and grandchildren from becoming racial profilers?

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From the 'sublime to the ridiculous,' there has been so much talk about racism lately.  It's no wonder, given the heated nature of all the tasks and expectations put before our first black president.

But, wait.  Isn't that a racist remark in and of itself?  "First ever elected black president?"  Why should this be such a shocking reality?  Isn't it about time?  Isn't it well deserved beyond a shadow of a doubt?

Barack Obama has an ethnic, cultural, religious, educational, experiential and diverse background like no other president in history.  He is more qualified than most, to say the least.  He may be the quintessential American of today.  He's the real deal.  Yet his very persona breeds contempt among those surrounding him, left and right, who would be riddled with racism as their calling card.

It is everywhere.  It is in each of us.  It is in every major city in America where we can find defined areas designated to specific groups of people:  China Town, Japan Town, Little Italy,  German Town, areas where ethnicities are segregated by neighborhoods, shops and restaurants centered around these diverse cultural influences.  

The list is long and I am not purposely leaving out any one group or geographic area in America where various ethnic groups have settled en masse.  We are all too familiar with this reality and it's seeming normalcy within our country.

It is a part of the fabric of this melting pot, in which we live.  There could be an inherited trait which allows us and others to believe we /they are the superior race, common to many nationalities across the globe.  It is reeking havoc around the world as fanatical nations battle each other to their ultimate extinction.  It is happening right here at home, on our soil.  Americans viciously attacking one another for their ethnic, religious, political, self righteous differences.  Racism morphing into fanaticism all around; closing in on us.  Have we all gone mad?

And yet we dare to hope we will survive economically, socially, spiritually and recover as a nation?

Who are "we" anymore?

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I hesitated to write another post on an apparently prickly topic and one that has the hair standing on the backs of so many in today's teetering political climate.  There is no doubt that anyone attempting to describe one's own feelings or beliefs about the origins of racism in their own lives, is open to speculaiton, criticism and protest.  It goes with the territory and is not intended for the meek.

What spurred me on to do this post is a stirring up of some childhood memories and ones that may have shaped my beliefs about racism in general.  Nothing carved in stone here, however, it is worthy of some reflection and a look backward to arrive at my present attitudes.  I am no different than most; I am parts of many, as we all are.

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My memories posed some questions, stemming from childhood circumstances.  Where I lived while growing up.  The various cities, suburbs, lack of ethnic presence in my schools.  All of our circumstances were different to varying degrees and somewhat dictated by where we were born; who we were born to.

  Is it racist to be white and play with a black child or vice versa?  If children of any color, race or cultural and religious backgrounds come together without worldly knowledge, guilt or malice, is there subsequent racism, whether real or perceived?  Tough questions for kids, but as adults looking back, do we spin this way out of proportion? Or is this so deeply rooted in us that we cannot see it for what it is?

Were my parents really racists or did they merely exhibit shades of racism in certain circumstances?  Did my dad tell racist jokes?  For sure.  Did I laugh at his jokes?  You bet I did.  But was it the content of the jokes or the fact that my dad couldn't stop laughing before he barely got out the punch line?  His laughter was contagious, so I laughed with him, heartily.  Most of the time.

There is this memory, which I tell gingerly and with some apprehension.  We all come from different backgrounds, walks of life and mixed emotions around this subject, so I apologize in advance, if anything sounds racial or prejudiced as that is the last impression I want to make here.

While pondering to what level my parents were racially inclined, if at all, I had a big flash back which gave me some answers.  I also found some perplexing questions which remain.  It's a fairly simple memory but with far reaching implications, as I recall it now. 

My mother, with six children at this stage in our family's progression, needed some domestic help from time to time.  No live in nanny; no live in housekeeper, nothing like that.  She didn't even have a regular cleaning person to help manage the major messes left by us on a daily basis.  This was an occasional luxury for some much needed extra deep cleaning.

A friend and neighbor of ours recommended a wonderful and reliable woman who would help my mother on an as need basis.  She was a black woman with great references and my mother was thrilled to have her.  I remember her beautiful skin, cheerful disposition and that she was very friendly and nice to me.  I was and am the eldest of seven.  She thought the world of my mother and I found her to be a very sincere, warm individual.

On one of her days at our house, she brought her daughter along, who was my age and around 1o or 11 years old.  We hit it off immediately, played for hours while her mother cleaned the house  and we became fast friends.  Mom and Dad didnt seem to be phased by this new comraderie and thought it was very nice.

It soon came to pass that I was invited to spend a Saturday at her house to play.  I was thrilled to be invited.  At first, everything was swell and we played to our hearts content.  Later that day, her father came home and noticeably questioned the mother why I was there.  His discomfort was palpable. We were urged to go outside while they talked.

Soon after, others in the neighborhood, kids of varying ages, started to come around and were making sneering remarks about the white girl who was playing in their neighborhood.  Suddenly, I felt out of place, unwanted and even threatened.  I insisted that they call my mother to come and take me home.  My new friend started to cry and begged me to stay but it was useless.  The discomfort of the others was very real and I knew that I didn't belong there.  It was one of the oddest, saddest and emptiest feelings I could have imagined at that age.

Once my mom came to pick me up, there was an awkwardness that hadn't been there before.  The woman who was so kind to me and her sweet, innocent daughter who wanted me to be her friend, were never seen in our home or talked about again. 

It was like a mere droplet in a pond.  The circles of water reaching out, spreading farther and farther apart, becoming parts of my psyche , whispering thoughts of things not so good between friends of different colors.  The sadness lived inside of me for a long time to come.  And then it was gone.  I forgot all about it.  Till today.

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And then there was Johathon.  He was the only black student in my entire high school and one of the most popular kids.  He was smart, atheltic, liked by everyone, very handsome and someone I will never forget.  He sat next to me in Homeroom and he would make me laugh all the time.  He was an all around great guy and no one ever treated him like he was from another planet or had darker skin than everyone else.  It mattered not.  I often think of him and wonder where he is and what he is doing today.  He was destined for great things.  Of that, I am certain.

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So, the memory was really no big deal afterall.  Or was it?  It sure opened a can of worms, I can tell you that.  It forced me to think of things differently;  things I never have before today.  Some of these ponderings are melancholy; some very eye opening.  Some questions remain.

One thing I know for sure and can say unequivocally about my life is...that through the course of my upbringing, my Catholic/Christian foundation and my own sense of right and wrong, I have never thought less of anyone of color, race or their inherent differences.  I was taught to be kind and charitable to all people of all backgrounds and especially those in need or those being persecuted for their race or religion.  I have always felt deep compassion for most people walking this planet, unless they would do me or my family, harm.  I see the good in nearly everyone. 

I have been called naive, gullible and yes, even a dumb blonde, from time to time.  So be it.  I have never been called a racist or considered to be prejudiced, ever.

While I am not convinced of my innocence in all of this, I do know that I love and value people of all walks of life and wish no man any less than I would want for myself.  I do not wear rose colored glasses but I do want to see clearly how it is I affect others in my life.  Simply put, I care.

I want to believe that the way we have defined racism in the past, has indeed evolved into a greater understanding of it's futility and damaging effects on humanity.  I focus on being an active participant in a new generation that is teaching our youth new ways of thinking, of being, with openness, tolerance for each other's differences and generosity of spirit.

 

"Hope runs eternal."

(my mom)

 

 

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My sincere thanks to my sister for inspiring this post and being an inspiration in my life.
Cathy, this is a beautiful and thought-provoking piece. You've obviously thought long and hard about these issues and won't be led into simple knee-jerk positions. And I'm very grateful for that. It seems that too many Americans today are eager to jump into one mob or another, just to be, what--part of the "in" group? It's very distressing to me on so many levels: that we're being polarized by outside influences, that we're making snap judgments about thorny and complex issues before all the facts are in--that we're even listening to some of the hate-mongers so prevalent today. And it seems to all boil down to fear. We as a nation seem to be caught in the throes of a bigger fear than has been engendered by other--really--fearful situations. I wasn't around at the beginning of WWII (I was 8 months old when the war finally ended in Aug, 1945), but my mother told me how frightened people were, especially those living on either coast, that this country would be invaded by the Japanese or bombed by the Germans. But I'm not sure that (ungrounded) fear was any worse than what we're seeing today. And at least that fear had the unexpected benefit of producing real patriotism and support for the war. The fear that seems to be running rampant today isn't doing anything but keeping the various groups separated--and fearful of each other, when we should be banding together to fight the real enemy.

I do believe that most of us in this country, no matter what color skin we wear, aren't as afraid of others as the media would have us think. It seems to me that we're being told whom to hate, and whom to fear by those with a hidden agenda. Perhaps they think that, if they can keep us riled up and fearful of each other, we won't peek behind the curtain to see who's really making all that fog. That big voice constantly yelling at us is just that--a big, amplified *human* voice. I think it's time we pulled the curtain back and exposed the posers.

Do you remember the song from "South Pacific" where it talks about bigotry? "You have to be carefully taught." And it seems to me we're in the process of being "carefully taught" a lot of things, lies, that can change our culture for a lot of years--better or worse.

Thank you for this. Sorry this comment is so long but you make me think about things. Rated. D
Children know NOTHING of racism. It's 100% learned behavior. When my son was 3 or so he thought he bore a resemblance to Michael Jordan. Besides the skin color thing he did. He didn't recognize the difference in skin tones as a major factor, God bless his heart.
Yarn Over - Thanks you so much for your wonderful and thought provoking comment. I love your reference to the song in South Pacific. That we are taught to hate or to love is the essence of what I believe. The length of your comment is in direct proportion with the length of my post! Thank you for your wisdom and generosity.

Trig - I couldn't agree with you more! Though all the questions poke at my brain, you know that I know this to be true. Children are born innocent; blank slates, upon which we adults, parents and society draw a blue print for their lives. God help them! And God bless you, Trig and your amazing son. You have done a wonderful job of parenting him. If more kids had his attitudes and skills going into adulthood, we could rest assured that their futures will be better for it.
Cathy, quite a story and you and I figured out it happened around the same time as my story with the Japanese little girl. I'm curious as to why the housekeeper never came back again and why it was never spoken of again. What a painful but valuable lesson to understand what it feels like to be discriminated against. You don't have a bitter bone in your body, and discrimination comes in many forms: "Dumb blonde" is one of them and that is just as offensive. Thanks for sharing your huge heart.
Mary - All I can recall is that the housekeeper and her husband decided not to let her come back, after the awkward incident of my playing at their house, the ensuing neighbors being bent out of shape by my presence in their neighborhood, the offense they took to this completely innocent play date...reverse discrimination, best I can remember. And as a kid, ya just move on and it is soon forgotten. But we know now that experiences like this do leave an impression that form parts of who we are and how our perceptions evolve.
The innocents are often led astray by others who export and exploit fear as a tool to advance their personal agenda. Fear and ignorance are powerful weapons that have been the root cause of much human suffering throughout history. Though some have come to see the light, many still walk in darkness.

We need more foot soldiers, for the task at hand is monumental. If you’ve found the way, you must now light the path for others to follow.
This is just wonderful, Cathy...we all have a prickly point, too. While I grew up in a very aware of racism environment as well as the biggest and most diverse city in the world, prejudice still came knocking from time to time.

Today, my hair stands on end when I hear people talk badly about Mexicans. My wife was Mexican. I grew up in California which was once Mexico, whose constitution is written in Spanish, and whose migrant labor produces some of the most incredible fruits and vegetables anywhere. When I hear the term 'hispanic' my hair flies up again. One all encompassing word for Spanish speaking peoples from all over the world

Thank you for letting me vent...you know I love you...xox
Bad day to make bob think. I don't think racism is in our genetic make up, Before we become socially aware of others and the many differences between us, we simply gravitate towards those who look like ourselves. I can empathize with your experience as the outsider in a cultural situation. I could add that while I have been in situations where I was very uncomfortable as the outsider, I have also been an outsider in groups that were entirely opposite in their nature. For me it always seems to come down to the individuals present. Forgive me if I am a bit incoherent today. I'd be happy to clarify anything I can by PM for anyone who has a question.
I agree with Trig and the rest, I think racism is taught. I think gender bias, sexual identity bias, and lots of other things which fit into those categories are taught.
Hi, Cathy, provocative post. Raises important questions. My own take is that there is nothing genetic about it. Racism is learned. In areas where it is not taught it never comes up. We are first taught to be afraid of what is different and then we are taught to reinforce that fear by stereotypes.

We also have a pack or herd mentality and are taught to stick together with "our own kind." We break out of that pattern at our peril, we are told. We can only break the cycle with our hearts and our minds. Our "intuition" tells it is wrong to be racist, but we stifle what we feel because those who we respect in our groups tell us to be afraid and that our intuition is wrong.

A child will grow up to fear, avoid or hate what his parents tell him to fear, avoid or hate. And it takes will, commitment and love to overcome those fears as we grow up. But I feel strongly that racism is a learned prejudice.

Good post.

Monte
I was going to try and put together a comment that didn't repeat what everyone else has said, and found that I could not.

But I also found that Pink Floyd had the words already, in their song "Mother".

Mother, do you think they'll drop the bomb?
Mother, do you think they'll like this song?
Mother, do you think they'll try to break my balls?
Mother, should I build the wall?
Mother, should I run for President?
Mother, should I trust the government?
Mother, will they put me in the firing line?
Is it just a waste of time?

Hush now baby, baby, don't you cry
Momma's gonna make all of your nightmares come true
Momma's gonna put all of her fears into you
Momma's gonna keep you right here under her wing
She won't let you fly, but she might let you sing
Momma's will keep Baby cozy and warm
Oooo Babe
Oooo Babe
Ooo Babe, of course Momma's gonna help build the wall

Mother, do you think she's good enough
For me?
Mother, do you think she's dangerous
To me?
Mother will she tear your little boy apart?
Mother, will she break my heart?

Hush now baby, baby, don't you cry
Momma's gonna check out all your girlfriends for you
Momma won't let anyone dirty get through
Momma's gonna wait up until you get in
Momma will always find out where you've been
Momma's gonna keep Baby healthy and clean
Oooo Babe
Oooo Babe
Ooo Babe, you'll always be Baby to me

Mother, did it need to be so high?


Thumbed.
Great post. I've been pondering a post about racism and my own childhood for a long time. Between Mary's post yesterday and this one, I'm feeling brave enough to give it a try.

Thanks for your voice on the subject. It's a good one.
Cathy I am pointing out two sentences in your post that to me reveal the crux of your dilemma and your conflict.....

"The woman who was so kind to me and her sweet, innocent daughter who wanted me to be her friend, were never seen in our home or talked about again."

"I was taught to be kind and charitable to all people of all backgrounds and especially those in need or those being persecuted for their race or religion."

These words expose what you and many others are struggling with when the issue of race and racism is brought to the fore...It is why the topic is so sensitive to most and painful to many.....The sentences and what they express are not symmetrical...They are out of balance with one another and are in need of reconciliation which is what is taking you to where you are on the matter...Why do you suppose you never saw or even spoke about the little girl or her mother in your home again?

" Suddenly, I felt out of place, unwanted and even threatened."

Try to imagine what this might be like to deal with not for a few uneasy moments but every day of your life from kindergarten through eighth grade and beyond.....

I was that black kid who was the only one in his class and with my younger brother, one of the only two in the school and the entire neighborhood in which we lived....

Since I was the oldest by a year I was always the "first" for alll of my teachers and classmates all the way through....Back then we "graduated" from eighth grade...I was number one in my class, to the chagrin of many of my teachers and most of the parents in attendance at the ceremony...I never got anything less than an 'A' on my report card in any subject area including 'citizenship' and 'working well with others'. My mother always told me that I HAD to be twice as good to get half as much as the other kids would be able to get as we went through life....

"He was an all around great guy and no one ever treated him like he was from another planet or had darker skin than everyone else."

If Jonathan was as you say he was, and I have no reason to doubt that, you would never know how he was treated by others or how he felt about the treatment he received ...All of us "firsters " and/or
"onlyers" were taught and trained to be like Jackie Robinson, wherever we were in the country, because our families new the dangers and consequences of speaking up or speaking out under such circumstances.....

We had to develop social navigational skills that would get us through all of the various situations and circumstances we faced in such a manner as to keep our teachers and classmates, ALL of whom were white, from ever being able to know what we really felt or what we were really thinking.....

My decision to go to Howard University was a direct result of a desire not to have to continue to "navigate"....Howard university was considered the "Black Harvard" at the time of my enrollement and matriculation .(1964-1968) It also happened to be the intellectual epicenter of the Civil Rights movement.....Nearly ALL of the lawyers who had worked on the historic and momentous 1954 Brown v Board of Education, School Desegregation case were graduates of the Howard University School of Law....Including the first black Supreme Court Justice, Thurgood Marshall...Who, in many ways, is my idol to this very day.

So, Cathy, after having siad all of that I want you to know that I know you are struggling with just exactly what the racial thing is really all about...Your post is honest, candid, and sincere. You should know that while I continue to fight the fight of Thurgood Marshall and the may others who came before me, I know that much of what I must say and the way I must say it does not and could not apply to you....when you say, "I care", please know that in my heart of hearts, I believe you... and your sister, Mary, too......

Thanks for sharing.......and for giving me the opportunity to share something of myself with you....

Very Rated.....
Spin Doctor - Thanks very much for your enlightened comment. It is so apparent that fear isolates, both individuals and groups of people. It is our job and one I take quite seriously, to be a good example to my children and grand children so they can choose a better way for their futures and that of their children to come.

Robin - dear Robin - Thank you for your heartfelt comment. I know how you agonize over your sweet wife and I hope and pray you will reunite, if that is what your hearts dictate. No one can know what you are feeling but my heart is with you, too. xoxo

Bobbot - Thanks very much and you were very clear, at least to me! I agree with you, that we are not born into this world with racial prejudice but, boy, does it find it's way into us in a hurry! It's a tough nut to chew and the more awareness there is, the more we can change the attitudes of those close to us, our children, grandchildren, lead by example and make positive changes for the future of others.
I, too think it is a learned behavior. I've tried very hard to break the pattern with my son and as I watch my grandson grow up without a prejudice bone in his little body...I have hope!
I began to respond to this touching post, but it got so very long that I thought I would just right a post in yours and Mary's honor. I will notify you when it's finished. Hugs, Cathy. You are a keeper.
I am not sure what to "thumb" You is? It's good?
I can thumb Ya and Ya sister at a birthday party?
October 22nd is your sisters birthday cake party?
To read many of these daily post is to celebrates!
It can be more joy than swapping Barack O, jokes!
jest!
Bush!
a joke!
Reagan?
gads ugh!
silence us?
speak now!
I was jusy now remembering. Just Cathy? I use to love walking my daughter while She was sitting atop my shoulders. She dripped ice cream cones.
I do love that.
She's a flower.
rare wildflower.
So- thanks for this.
You love Ya's sister.
I am somewhat overwhelmed by the responses/comments to this post. To say thank you hardly says what I am feeling. I am trying to respond to each of your thoughtful and though provoking comments as quickly as possible (inbetween diaper changes, feedings, spit up...you get the picture)!

Bill Beck, Thank you very much and with you, I totally agree.

Monte - Thank you, sir, for your warm response and wisdom. I am a believer in using one's intuition for the greatest good and it has stood me well. I am in agreement with you and all who believe that racism is taught or absorbed from others.

Bill S. - Thanks for your time and trouble to post the lyrics oto Pink Floyd's, "Mother." Boy, does that put some perspective on the weight of parenting and the influence we impart to our children. I pledge to be a better gramma!

Cap n' Parrotdead - You go! Would love to read your post on this subject as well! It sure does take the weight off knowing that so many share some of these same questions and concerns. Thanks for your great comment!

RonPo1 - I am nearly speechless over your unbelievable response and I thank you so much both for your wise analysis of my feelings, questions and yes, my own programing. Your own experience and perspectives are so valuable and appreciated, it's hard for me to express how much. As to the question about our once housekeeper never coming again, it was my impression at the time, that it was her's and her husband's decision; not my mom's. My mother loved her and was very let down by the occurence, best I recall. I am sure there is much that I do not know or wasn't privy to back then. Your perspective clarify's much as well. Thank you so, so much for your generous comment.

Fabflamingo - I am so right there with you!

Michael Rogers - Your comment or lack there of to spark your own post, humbles me. Thank you for your kind words.
to understand racism or any of the "isms" you have to look at the the role of fear and repressed fear in our lives.

a dog whipped by his master, full of fear, will become aggressive and try to "cope" with that fear by attacking other dogs or people. humans aren't any different. the "dis-ease" or maladaptation is passed down from generation to generation in the very way we walk and talk--held in our physiology.

That's where "religion" comes in or is supposed to in that it idealy makes our lives more "secure" but instead it is often put in the service of those fears--as we have seen happen again and again in history, not just here but throughout cultures.

i'm convinced the best way to combat it is in how we live our daily lives, and not so much in how we see or wish to see those lives. it is our own courage that inspires the courage of others: like your sister's post inspiring yours.
Arthur James - Yes! I loves my sister! I loves your poetry, humor and wisdom!!! And your daughter is so lucky to have you!

Ben Sen - Again, a comment that leaves me speechless. It is so full of wisdom and I so appreciate your thoughtfullness and choice of words. Inspiration is a powerful thing. Between sisters, it is a combining of common origins with some similar, some dissimilar memories and perspectives. It strengthens our bond as our awareness grows; our respect deepens, our blood lines cemented in love. Corny but true.
I have to echo the sentiments of Trig. Children don't see color, only friends and enemies. When we stop that is anyone's guess. Great post, and handled beautifully.
First there is the struggle at understanding the taught fear, and clannish behavior, then there is the struggle to unlearn it all. I have watched so many children and young adults interacting without racial awareness. It is learned...clearly. It is a very important thing for you to write about, not just for your own struggles, but for everyone.
GJI Penguin - Thanks very much and have yourself a wonderful vacation!

Gary Justice - Thank you for your thoughtful comment and understanding the importance of putting it out there being more important to me than what others might think of me if I mis-spoke on the subject. It was weighing heavily on me before I wrote it and there is more space in my head now that it is out of there!
Neither you, nor your parents are racists. That is a fact. In almost every country, other than the US, people of different color make fun of each other with love and respect, and no one ever uses the word "racism." They are simply civilized.

Your intuition about children is correct. Children are not born racists; they resist their parents' ignorance for the longest time.

The hidden hate for Obama is not triggered by racism. They hate Obama because he is smart, educated and worst of all, when he talks he makes sense. That is so anti-American. The problem is not racism; it is religious fundamentalism, anti-intellectualsim, anti-rationalism, misinformation, and lack of education.

Wonderful take on the human condition.

Rated.
Wonderful post and very well spoken. Racism is a learned behavior, so if that is so then why can't it be stopped..
Beautiful post. I took a class, a few years back, as an adult student, called "Grassroots Community Development". I was the only person over the age of 22 in the class, never mind over 35. I felt, of course, the bias the young have towards older people in their space. In time, I made life long friendships.
One thing I learned: everyone will experience age bias of some sort, presuming they grow older. Not everyone experiences other biases; they are unique to the people experiencing them.

This is so honest and wrenching, this post. It has sparked many memories of my father, a minister, who attended seminary with Rev. Andrew Young, trying to integrate his church and our town in the ways he knew how. He was a very flawed man, but he had certain ideals.
There's a million stories bubbling up. Thank you for this inspiration and this spark.
Now I must read Mary's post - I have been avoiding it, a little, because it's so BIG (comments). Thanks, and also THANKS to Ron Po1 for one of the best comments I have ever read here. Wow, what a great experience reading this has been.
Thoth - Thanks for your loud and clear comment! Your stand on this leaves no room for improvement and I was beginning to doubt my own beliefs in my parents, whom I've always held in the highest esteem. They were'nt perfect nor am I, but to say they "taught" me racism is just plain horse puckie. They would be appalled and if anything, they may have been ignorant of their own bias with no malice intended whatsoever. You have given me some stability back that I was beginning to doubt. Stay close. It ain't over yet!
Thanks very much!

Roger! Is that all you've got?! Come on! OK, thanks for your honesty. I'm just being a brat.

Fireeyes24 - Thanks very much and you're dead on! Why can't we unteach the wrong thinking and teach the proper ways of being!
I don't think racism is inherent so much as tribalism. Put a bunch of black and white students together and guess who they generally hang out with? Put a bunch of Americans, black and white in Europe and guess who they generally hang out with? Put a bunch of black and whites in Africa, and you would still probably have Americans hanging out with Americans.

Animals are generally territorial and in human case tribal by nature. There is always an other. People are always more comfortable based on locality. Similarities. Most cultural.

Even the music people listen to is often segregated. Familiarity, locality and tribalism. So are we a melting pot or powdered keg? Both, I suppose.
Dialogue is what we need. Our monologues are good, no great for expressing our feelings, but dialogues are needed. Too many people fear dialogue. I embrace it with my friends of various ethnicity, race, religion to learn and to teach as well. This is beautiful Cathy as was Mary's and it's YOUR perspective, it's honest, it's true and no one can take it away from you.

It's is therapeutic to purge the soul of thoughts. I do it often and when it builds up I let it go. I don't let anyone tell me I can't.

Love to you both
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I'm absolutely in the "they have to be carefully taught" camp but Oh. My. God. - those Pink Floyd lyrics! One more thing that makes me wish I could stand that loud metal music.

But - The hidden hate for Obama is not triggered by racism. They hate Obama because he is smart, educated and worst of all, when he talks he makes sense. That is so anti-American. The problem is not racism; ...

I don't know about that. In 9 years in my urban Catholic grade school - k-8, 1954-63 - three black students attended. Two were sisters, very pretty, very smart, well-mannered, not the blue collar thugs the rest of us were. The scoop on them: their parents would only allow them to date white boys. One of the few things I remember about them is that the older girl was older than I. That would have put me in no more than 7th grade during these conversations. wtf were we doing talking about dating at age 12? We didn't date. It wasn't even a possibility.

Then in the one year I attended public high school, senior year, there was a black boy who was also in his first year there or maybe his second. In any event, he had come up from Chicago which fact alone made him a little exotic. But he was also very good-looking, smart and athletic. He was the only one on the basketball team who looked like he could play the game at all. His post-high school story is inspiring.

This wasn't an all-white school like the grade school, there was a large black minority, still, he got the same rap: would only date white girls. I'm pretty sure I personally witnessed some black girls swearing they would kick the ass of any white girl who dated him. I do not personally have any idea who he actually dated or what her race was.

But here's my point and it applies to Obama's situation, too. Sometimes racism waits to rear its ugly, reeking little pinhead until a person of a minority classification doesn't know his or her place. Then the brain dead, repulsive morons who normally don't exhibit their carefully taught but ever so noble and honest and superior racism because they are oppressed by the evil forces of liberal political correctness convert their hostility into little lies that they think appear innocent and demonstrate ever so clearly that someone think he/she is better than he/she actually is and doesn't know his or her god-given place. Like attractive black kids dating only whites or Obama forcing social/facism government oppression on the US of A.

That's my opinion, anyway.

Rated for depth.
I got wrapped up in my own invective.

Clarifying: the black girls were too pretty, too well-mannered and well dressed. The black boy was too good all-around - too good looking, too smart, too athletic (I didn't mention he also played football and baseball better than anyone else in the school. It was probably a good thing for him that black people still didn't play hockey then.) And Obama is too smart, too qualified, too attractive for a black man. Like the kids in my schools, he needs to be brought down a few pegs, needs to know his place.
Aim - What a wonderful and generous comment! Thanks so much for your heartfelt thoughts!! I am blown away about the things this is bringing up for so many. I am so glad I posted after much trepidation about doing so. Comments like yours have helped to lift a weight that was burdening me over this negative human condition.

Whoreville Bedenrocker - Wow, did you ever put a great spin on this subject! Tribalism! That is bold and so relavant to this condition. I love that you posed the question: "Melting pot or powder keg!!!" Is that ever true! Thanks so much for your juicy comment!

Greg - Thanks so much for your thoughtful comment and words of wisdom. Dialogue is vital for us to impart new ways of being to our inheritors. Love back at cha!

Nerd Cred - Speechless again...by your bold and meaty comment! There is so much there to digest. Your experience and perspective is focused and sharp. To the point. Your take on this is strong and worthy of notice. Thank you for your candor and honesty.
Intelligent people value diversity. Intelligent people value differences. Intelligent people generally aren't fearful people. Intelligent people aren't so quick to dismiss a person based on their skin colour. I love intelligent people. The smarter they are, the more open they are to new ideas and new experiences.

Stupid people hate diversity. Stupid people enhance differences. Stupid people easily hate other people and distrust them. Stupid people dismiss people based on more than skin colour. No, also potentially on the way they dress, the music they listen too, the church they go to (or don't). Superficial items that make a person unique irk stupid people. I dislike stupid people. The more unintelligent they are, the more their world has been self-limited by hatred and suspicion. Stupid people often fight to defend their equally stupid ideas even if they know them to be totally wrong. Stupid people don't do nuance at all. Stupid people are easily lead. Stupid people are easily angered. Stupid people are easily played. Stupid people *can* change.

Yes, generalizations but you have to remember that people from other nations occasionally think that we are just like that brainless lout that just stuck their fingers in the pastries at their shop. That we are just like that idiot that we had as president for too long.

Yes, sweeping generalizations but they stick pretty well, eh? And yes I've met very stupid intelligent people and vice versa...
I'm really glad RonPo posted what he did. I'm white, but I had similar thoughts as he did reading your thoughtful and heartfelt post (such as, how do you know what Jonathan's experience was? etc). Like him, I appreciate your honesty and openness, but I think there's some tricky stuff in here, including I think it's always dangerous to make statements about other people's experiences.

I also think that we all have prejudices -- of all kinds, not just racial -- they just vary from person to person and exist on a spectrum from mild to rabid. But we judge others all the time, make distinctions between people we encounter in a million different ways. It's natural -- animals do it, too, and we are after all, mammals at heart. I think racism is both learned (from society, our parents, our peers) and also something that we humans un-learn, being able to question our reactions and assumptions in a way that other mammals can't.
Outstanding piece of writing - very thought provoking - I have no idea what to add to it, however. I think racism is learned - as with most "-isms" - and that sometimes we internalize some ugly subtleties along the way.
gonzoid - I've read your comment twice now and it reads fairly black and white to me, in so far as your definitions of stupid and intelligent are framed. I'm a little uncertain what prompted that depiction from my post, but it is in your eyes straight forward and underlining some core beliefs you have on these two descriptives.
I'm pretty sure I do not want to fall into the stupid category, as you have spelled it out, however, I am equally as unsure that I am as intelligent as you describe it to be. I am left wondering if there is a gray area or am I to believe there is a purgatory for the inbetween?
Thanks for a comment that has me thinking...but may not be so happy if I over-think this into the wee hours of the morning. Class dismissed.

nerd cred - Thanks for taking the time to come back with your clarification. I get why you did it and am hesitant to explain why I think so. I may get to some shakey ground or side step the issue that may offend some. One of my least favorite things...offending others.

Silkstone - Thanks very much for your thoughtful, twofold comment. About Jonathan, I was speaking to the high school years he was a very close friend and to his achievements...leading me to believe the years to follow would bring more of the same. Not an uneducated assumption based on what I knew of him at the time. It might have been a weak way of saying that during those years, I never whitnessed any predudice against him, nor did I feel any sense of racism from myself or my school. It did perplex me at the time that he was the only black student in the entire school. Now, I understand what a very white town I lived in then and it probably still is today. Yet, I do belabor this, but I really didn't get any sense of racism in that school at that time. It strikes me as odd now. And that perplexes me more to think about it. So, thanks for your thoughts and making me think too much! Got to clear this so I can go to sleep!

owl_says_who - Thanks very much for your kind comment. I love what you said, "Sometimes we internalize some ugly subtleties along the way." Pow! That says it all!!!
I have to share this story. It may or may not be pertinent, but Jonathan made me remember this oh so clearly:
I went to an all girls boarding school. it was an incredibly diverse campus, because there were international students from all over the world. There were African American students (day students) from the area as well. But, obviously it was a place of privilege, although we got a progressive education.
I didn't date - who was I supposed to date? Some stupid boy from another prep school who got bused in for a dance?
I met a wonderful guy at driving school. Gorgeous, African American, went to the public high school. We became great friends, just joking around. We made up our own song, to the tune of the then hit song "Electric Avenue" - "We're gonna rock down to - Winchester Auto School - and then they take us driving."
I could have invited him to visit me on campus - it was allowed, under supervision, during certain hours. (All boys, not just town boys.) But I didn't know how. And i'm sure he didn't want to ask.
I LOVED him - he thought I was smart, pretty and funny and I thought he was the most gorgeous boy I had ever met who also made me feel so good about myself.
Then driving school ended. How would I ever see him again? I knew he worked at the McDonald's at the mall. We were ocassionally bused to the mall for a "weekend "activity.
I was so excited. I went to the food court, with two friends, if I remember, and went up and said "Hi!". We were all probably giggling and trying to place an order.
He wouldn't look at me.
I was heartbroken, thinking he didn't like me anymore.
Now I realize how humiliated he must have felt, not knowing my intentions at all, being seen in a McDonald's uniform, us giggling white girls from MacDuffie.
He was so different from any teenage boy I ever met, and had told me he worked part time to save money for college - and other stuff. He was a very sharp dresser - no small feat in the '80's.
It still makes me so sad, for both of us.
Aim - Thanks for sharing your great story! It is sad, however and Ican see why he shyed away from you giggling girls at McD's. He probably feared being mocked or embarassed. Bummer. Too bad you never got a chance to talk to him after that, to at least reasure him that you were just excited to see him again. Some things we'll just never know. Life does throw us those curve balls when we have our backs turned. Ouch!
What a tragic story. Everyone's ignorance and fear changed what should have been an unremarkable afternoon into something unforgettably awkward. Too bad the grownups didn't act like grownups in the situation.
I think childhood stories like this are common in the South and in America generally. I'm glad my sons are unlikely to experience anything like this.
Nurture v. Nature. The case never settled. Well done, Cathy.
Zuma & Cathy-- I 'm strongly on the side of nurture, especially after observing my 2-year-old. He's amazingly outgoing, and I've seem him run up to other small kids & hug them. White, Asian, African--makes absolutely no difference to him. I don't plan to give him any reason to change that.
Serenita Lake - Yeah, what's up with the grownups?! That was my first and only experience with reverse racism.

Zumalicious - "Nurture!" Yes, that's what we all need to do to prevent further prejudice and disregard for others beliefs, cultures and colors.

benjamin_the_donkey - Thanks very much for your comments!
We sure agree on the nurturing aspect of this and I, too, have a two year old grandson, who is so naturally friendly and unassuming to everyone. Innocence is a blessing and it makes our jobs so much more important to enusre that innocence becomes wisdom and understanding of all cultures and colors.