JustJuli

JustJuli
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Wife, mother, overweight runner. I ran a marathon this one time. Sometimes I fancy myself a writer. Welcome to my virtual reality.

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SEPTEMBER 16, 2009 12:05PM

Defending the Fat Runner

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Because apparently someone has to. I was going to title this post “Overcoming Fat Runner Shame” and discuss all my hang-ups about shopping for running clothes and how I felt rather disappointed in my half-marathon race photos (I did not look especially fab), but then I decided to do a little research on ye olde Google. At first I typed in that blog title about fat runner shame to see if anyone else was calling it that or dealing with what I’m dealing with. Nothing relevant came up. Then I googled “fat marathon runner” and what I got back was mostly things telling me what a great weight-loss regimen marathon training can be because “You hardly ever see fat marathon runners.” Hm. Not terribly encouraging. But I was not dismayed. I typed in “overweight runner” and came up with a few blogs by big people running, but I couldn't find anything that really spoke to the fat runner stereotypes and insecurities.

 

Then I found you, Craig. Oh, Craig. May I call you Craig? Mr Ballantyne to you, huh? How ‘bout we compromise and I call you C-bag. What? Sure the C stands for Craig. Absolutely.

 

C-bag is a “workout routine and fat loss expert.” Ooooo. He has shiny letters after his name and I have no idea what they’re supposed to signify, but I know I’m supposed to be impressed by them. The thing is, Craig, those letters are not MD and even if they were you’d still be a C-bag. The internet is a big place with a lot of people with a lot of opinions and most of the time that’s absolutely fine with me, great even. I like to be challenged. I don’t want to read a bunch of carbon copies of myself all the time. And if I come across an opinion I don’t care for, I shrug it off. Just someone out there entitled to their wrong opinion. (a little self-satire, there, Craig) No problem. But C-bag here writes for Men’s Health and Oxygen and has books to his name. People are treating him like an expert so, I’m sorry, but it’s ON.

 

Craig tells me that fat people should not be running marathons. I’ll begin with the first sentence in his ignorant little rant: “If you are overweight and training for marathons, then clearly this training is not working for you.” Hm. Well, C-bag, and try to wrap your mind around this one, my primary goal in training for a marathon was NOT to lose weight. Sure I would like to lose some weight, but the goal of marathon training is…wait for it….wait for it….sure to shock…the goal is to RUN A FUCKING MARATHON. If I finish the marathon then my training has, in fact, worked for me whether or not my ass is any smaller.

 

Unfortunately, Craig continues: “Frankly, I don't think running marathons is a healthy activity for an overweight man or woman. You are going to get hurt. It's not a question of if, it's a question of how soon and how bad are you going to let the injury get before you stop trying to run marathons.” Ok. This part is dismaying to me not because of some jerk with a degree in exercise science or whatever thinking that he knows everything, but because a lot of people seem to share this opinion and it’s wrong.

 

Let me tell you about my friend from high school, C-bag. This man is six foot and a buck thirty five soaking wet. He is the epitome of what you think of when you think “marathon runner.” Long, strong, lithe. He ran cross country in high school and college and probably averaged a six minute mile. He can now no longer run even five steps to catch a bus. The man has never seen an overweight day in his life and his knees are now shot to hell. Who knows why they’re shot? It could have been the intensity of his training, it could have been bad genes. One thing’s for damn sure, no one will blame his body type. On the other hand, there’s chunky little me who’s been running on and off for years now and has never had a running injury more serious than some bad chafing. It pisses me off that people assume that for fat people running, it’s just a matter of time until they hurt themselves. Anyone can hurt themselves running if they don’t listen to their body and pace themselves. And sometimes, even then, you’re going to get hurt. But running is one of the least risky forms of activity I, personally, have ever engaged in.

 

“Most runners are smart enough that they wouldn't buy a beat-up used car for $300 and try to drive it across America non-stop, but they'll take their overweight, used up, beat up, weak bodies and try to run 26.2 miles in under 4 hours.” Say what? You did NOT just call my body a cheap-ass jalopy. And overweight automatically correlates with “used up, beat up, and weak?” Interesting set of assumptions you’re making there, C-bag. By the way, you are aware there is a whole range of finishing times, right? I’m not planning on qualifying for Boston, so I don’t need to do 26.2 in under four hours. 

 

“The reason I'm so "hard" on running is because too many people do it that shouldn't do it. I have no problem with training for a marathon if your body is prepared to handle a marathon. But most folks have bodies that are not suited for running 26.2 miles in one day.”

 

This opinion is also depressing to me because a lot of people seem to think this way, even some runners. If Pearl Izumi’s “We are Not Joggers” ad campaign is anything to go by, there is a demographic of runners who look down their noses at people like me and maybe even feel like I shouldn’t be running a marathon. There certainly was some of that sentiment going around after the 2007 Chicago Marathon debacle in which there was bad heat and not enough water was supplied to the mid and back-of-the-pack runners. The race ended up being called off with a lot of people going to the hospital.  At first people seemed outraged at the race organizers, but then it turned to victim blame pretty quick. Many were saying things along the lines of, “Who do those slow runners think they are? They shouldn’t be out there in the first place.” I guess the Kenyans are the only ones allowed to run now? I did find one blogger with an awesome defense of the slow, fat runner, though. I agree completely.

 

Seriously, what body type is allowed to run? There are plenty of thin people I know who couldn’t run a single mile. And what about those muscled athletes? (like our own C-bag with his oiled abs and his dog-in-a-field. You have a “No Fat Chicks” t-shirt somewhere in your closet, don’t you Craig?) Muscle is denser than fat and can be heavier. Are those atheletes told not to run long distances? Would anyone say, “You shouldn’t run with all those muscles, you’ll hurt yourself”? Absurd.

 

“If you are an overweight runner focused on a marathon, the most important thing you can do is lose body fat.” Wrong. If you’re an overweight runner focused on the marathon the most important thing you can do is get a good pair of shoes and go run. Believe in yourself, educate yourself, and listen to your body. Not C-bags like Mr. Ballantyne.

 

There. I feel better now.

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Unspeakable assholes. The fat-shaming in this country has got to stop. Juli, I thought your half-marathon photos looked fantastic; you looked like someone who had just run a fucking half-marathon, which is what you did.

Keep up the training and know that no matter what, I am awed by your ability to run.
Thanks, Ash- it's pretty mind-blowing sometimes, the assumptions that are made about what fat people can and cannot do. And we get it coming and going. We're supposed to get off our lazy asses (because doncha know fat people are lazy and that's why we're fat), but if we find an activity like running that we're passionate about it's bad for us. Feh.

Btw- did I unknowingly post my half photos? I thought I was hiding them. ;-)
I'm just going to rate this say that this piece opened my eyes - and changed an outlook

exceedingly well done
You tell him! I had a school nurse in middle school tell me that a girl shouldn't play basketball because all that impact, running and jumping on a hard surface, would make her reproductive organs fall out, little by little. Stupid shit dies hard apparently - fuck 'em!
I could've sworn you did; at least I know I saw pictures of you running a race. Whether they were half-marathon or not, you looked great.
He earns the nickname C-bag for a metrick fuckton of reasons, not the least of which is that he engages in one of my BIGGEST writing pet peeves.

“The reason I'm so "hard" on running is because too many people do it that shouldn't do it."

It's people WHO, things THAT, asshat C-bag. People WHO. Things THAT. (Then again, obviously his happy little Phys Ed major self probably doesn't really think those of us who fail to sculpt out our own set of washboard abs aren't really people, anyway.)

Actually, that sentence offends me on a number of levels, not the least of which is, it just plain sucks as a sentence. How bout we revise the entire thing? “The reason I"m so "hard" on running is because too many people do it that who shouldn't do it." (I won't even ask what in the hell the "quotes" around "hard" are for; I'll let him keep them, since he seems to think they add something.)

I don't know (or care) what other trophies and medals he's had around his neck, but he earns First Place in C-baggery.

Glad you feel better. :-) I do too.
HTML strikethrough FAIL: The edited sentence should read, "I'm 'hard' on running because too many people do it who shouldn't."

All other words are superfluous and only add to the C-Baggery.
This attitude really pisses me off... I carry a bit of extra body fat myself (around 17% for a male) but statistically it looks even worse when one looks at BMI. (I lift weights competitively so I carry a bit more muscle than most.) While I am not a runner, I do enjoy swimming and cycling. I was recently told by some Health and Safety people with the Boy Scouts of America that I should not participate in strenuous activity like swimming and cycling because I am too fat. Funny thing is I just went for a 25 mile ride with some teenaged boys who all looked fairly trim. I did not rush my ride at all and when I reached the turn around point (12.5 miles), I had to wait 40 min for the first of them to catch up! Excuse me but my fat ass needs to go and swim a mile now..
Nicely stated, Juli. I see plenty of heavier runners in my neighborhood. They seem to be managing quite well, thank you.
Well said... And I bet your a hottie, too.
His "credentials" are simply that he took this test to call himself a strength and conditioning expert http://www.nsca-cc.org/cscs/about.html
He could've gotten the M.Sc (Master's in Science) from an online University. I'd be more interested in what his undergrad school was...they offer actual degrees in physical training now, but he didn't go that route!

Not someone I take seriously...
Dammit! Comment loss!

Angus- a true compliment to change an outlook- thanks.

Owl- the whole "You uterus will fall out" thing just won't die will it? I've heard similar too. Ack. We shall overcome.

Ash- ah- I think you saw my 5K photos- I was happier with those. Thanks. :-)

Too funny VR- the grammatical asshattery sailed right past me. Well done.

M. King- Rock on!

Thanks NerdMafia- Aw shucks. (blush)

(Standing at attention for the General) Aye Ma'am! I think you are right about selling books. He does have an investment in thinking this way. I will carry on as I was!
This losing weight thing is ridiculous. The BMI index is always off. I have decided to be taller.
Verbal Remedy's in prime form today!

(I hope I haven't misspelled any words.)
Aka- when you achieve greater height- tell me how ;-)

Steve! VR is in fine form. I always get a bit nervous when she graces my blog. I go back and obsess over my grammar, but then realize it's hopeless and just claim poetic license. e.e. cummings-esque. That's me.
Craig is a douche bag, and he can bite my fat ass!

I did a marathon a number of years ago, not as a runner, I trip over my own feet when I run long distances, but I walked it. Took me 7 1/2 hours, but I did it, and I weighed 185 at the time. All the walking I did to train for it didn't 'cause me to lose weight, but all the mileage got me through - which was the goal - that and raising money. There were plenty of fat runners in my marathon, and they all did just fine. So too will you.
iamsurly- that's awesome- it pisses me off too when people talk about those of us who are "not really running" and walking as though it isn't also really freakin' hard. In some ways, being exposed to the elements for 7 1/2 hours is even more taxing. I respect elite runners tremendously- all of us at the back of the pack cheer when we see the leaders lapping us, but we have achieved something too, dammit. You rock.
Oops- I missed Alicia! Thanks for stopping by and de-bunking the "de-bunker's" letters. I wondered what all that was about. Yeah- I have a feeling he hasn't actually dealt with many fat runners. He doesn't even provide anecdotal evidence (the only kind I ever provide! ;-) to support his injury claims.
As a chubby weight lifter, I have to admit I've heard the same sort of thing at the gym. Usually while standing next to some skinny-minny who can't even bench half his weight much less his weight. I then get on the machines and lift as much as 150% what Mr. Joe Workout did.

Big girls can and do lift. And we run marathons, too. Good on you, hon!
Well done, sister.
Running snobs really piss me off. I remember hearing the flak after the Chicago marathon debacle last year. After a morning run a couple of friends of mine were having coffee and one said, "If you can't run a marathon in at least 4 hours or less then you are not a runner and you have no business pretending to run a marathon."
What a tool. I've run 5 marathons and none of them under 4 hours and I could care less.

A marathon is a battle you willingly fight with yourself. It involves constant mind/body dialogue and it unearths all kinds of essential truths about our nature, our fears and our goals. Anyone who claims you have to look, train or run a certain way to be a proper marathoner deserves a swift punch in the junk.
Juli, there is a woman in my neighborhood. I see her out running all the time. She's fat. But, she's always out there. It would be a real tragedy if she had let herself be shamed and undermined by the likes of C-bag.
I have quite a few friends who are overweight who run marathons on a regular basis. And the belief that running a marathon means finishing in 25 minutes or some crazy time is absurd and foolish. Here's the thing that a fitness expert should be saying: "Training for and then running a marathon is a fantastic goal. Few people walk into it as marathon professionals, so train realistically. Always warm-up. Go your pace and no one else's. Drink plenty of water. Rest accordingly." And there you go. The way that this dude has set it up is to say, "Only if you're already in perfect marathon shape, for running the marathon in the top ten or so, should you run." Nonsense. He's full of arrogant shit. Boo on him. Bad advice from a crappy "fitness" expert.
I'm not a runner (I hated running when I had to do it in gym class) but I am an athlete (former competitive gymnast and pro modern dancer; now a weight-trainer, dance teacher and belly dancer.) Oh- and I also took a test and got certified as a fitness trainer.
Saying someone can't do sports (and do them well) because they're fat, is total baloney. If you have the endurance and sufficiently functional knees, by all means, run!
Anyone who has the strength to run a whole marathon (even the one who comes in dead last) is a real athlete and worthy of admiration. Keep doing your wondrous, beautiful stuff with your awesome body!
eff the c-bag, JJ. Eff him.

He makes no sense! "I have no problem with training for a marathon if your body is prepared to handle a marathon." Well, how do you find out if you can run it unless you train for it? doofus.

I admit, I don't like the word jogger. I am a runner, not a jogger. someone once asked me the difference (listen closely and notice how weight has nothing to do with it): Speed and intent. I race. I try to go faster every time. I push myself into the red zone - a lot. I lift and cross train. I eat in a way that some people find weird.

But I also recognize that when someone asks if I jog, they don't mean anything by it, so I never correct them. I say "Yes, I do! Do you?" I may be an egoist, but only about myself, and only in my own head.

I am always glad to see anyone out running. When I see really big people in the park running I want to go up to them and thump them on the back and say "Way to go!" Because the C-bags are common, and I hear them all around me, and I can't imagine how it must be, having to fight the negative voice inside, put the running clothes on, go out...and then here the negative voice coming from some effin C-bag.

It's hard enough to stay on a running program, to motivate yourself and make time. No one needs a negative nabob of negativity spewing c-bag crap about passing some BMI test so as not to offend the sensibilities of 'concerned onlookers'. Sheesh.

Rated, with a bullet.
TB Cook- I love it! I hope Joe Workout notices how much you lift.

dharma- it is disheartening although I'm glad to say most of the runners I've had contact with are not snobs. You are a marathon goddess!

Thanks LandP!

I'm glad she's out there Jeanette- I agree.

Odette- thanks! Yeah- there is good advice out there- he's not giving it. ;-)

Thanks Neil- I think sometimes the more we know the more we find out we don't know as far as health is concerned. Sure there are some basics that hold true for everyone, but so much is up for grabs.

Thanks Eva- maybe I'll hire you as my trainer ;-)

Sandra! So glad you stopped by on this one, I was thinking of you. As I said to dharma, most of the runners I know are like you: kind and generous. The Pearl Izumi campaign stirs up mixed feelings in me. In some ways I identify with it. I consider myself pretty dedicated so when they say the real runners are out in the crazy weather that applies to me. But when they say real runners are fast. Well, that's where it breaks down. But I agree- the word "jogger" is ...ick. It just conjures up a dilettante. Someone who goes out once a month or something. Or runs for a few weeks and quits. It also feels strangely dated- images of Jim Fixx and all. But really- technically- at a 12min pace, I am a jogger. Runner just sounds so much better. But I have no illusions of being fast and I don't think I'm taking anything away from fast runners by calling myself a runner. Hm. Maybe this should be a whole other post. ;-)
Bravo! Not I need to get my ass off the couch and on the road. I've slacking big time on my training. I want to run the Miami Marathon in January 2010.
Great post, Juli. It's pathetic how short sighted many of our so called health experts are when it comes to health. Good for you for running for the joy of running. And anyone who can train their body to run a marathon is physically amazing in my book.
Running sucks for exercise no matter the body type. Everybody should swim.
Actually, fitness has more to do with what your body can do than with the size. At some point of obesity, the body's dimensions do limit what the person can do, but below that point, aerobic fitness and strength matter more than BMI.
You have no idea how glad I am to see this post. In fact, I signed up for an opensalon account just so I could comment.

I started running this summer, after years of being sedentary. I live right next to a popular running/bike path coasting alongside the ocean. As you can imagine, there are many serious runners out there on that path at all hours of the day. I, for one, was forever embarrassed to get out there and run alongside (well, kind of behind) them.

I fucking did it anyway. And it was awesome.

But then... I kind of gave in to this notion that fat people cannot and should not run and if they're currently running, to stop running.

I thought that perhaps I should wait until I'm thinner to continue running so I wouldn't be huffing and puffing as much. So I stopped about a month ago.

But after reading this, I may have just been inspired to start up again.
Hey if you can run and love it, do it. Why even bother to listen to some idiot? Nice rant, though:)
Yay for another exercise junkie! People grump at us geezer exercisers, too. One of my favorite book titles was "Up in Years, and Off My Rocker." Maybe you could write something similar. "Up in Pounds and Off the Starting Line."
By this guy's assessment, one can also infer that 350+ LB NFL lineman should neither be running marathons or performing in any kind of stress-related athletic activity.

Of course, his assessment is TOTALLY WRONG. The only thing that's obvious about his so-called "assessments" is he's a fat-phobe. Besides, I'm slowly beginning to train for a marathon, and I'm in no way shape or form possessing of a marathoner's body.

What a dick.
Great rant, Juli! :-D

As a veteran of 15 marathons, including Boston, and as someone who is also in tune with her middle-aged recreational jogger, I want to say brava for this post!

Let the world know that ANYONE who runs 26.2 miles -- at any weight, and at any speed -- is a marathon athlete, in better shape than 90% of the people on the planet.

I started running at 40, when I was 250 lbs., to lose weight. I sucked at it (both running and losing weight). So I called the L.A. Marathon office to see if they knew of any running coaches i could hire.

"Great!" the lady said. "We have a training program starting this Saturday in Venice Beach. Come start running with us!"

"Training program?" I asked. "What kind?"

"We're training for the L.A. Marathon, in March. Come! You'll love it!"

I protested. "Woah! You misunderstand. I can't run. I'm fat and out of shape, and have never run before about a month ago. I'm no marathoner."

"You can be," she insisted. "We have people of all ages and sizes. Come Saturday and see. If you don't like it, you don't have to do it."

So I came. The L.A. Roadrunners were 1,000 strong. And I was neither the oldest nor the fattest. I loved it, and stayed. And we ALL ran that marathon, including every fatty among us. Nothing I have done has ever been better for my self-esteem than learning that I could finish a marathon.

But all things being equal, for a hundred reasons, some of which have to do with running, thinner is better. I dropped my weight, qualified for Boston, and have been healthier and more lithe ever since. I do encourage people to lose weight. It's a GOOD thing.

But that's a completely separate issue from running. Runners run. It matters not what they weigh. And the cardiovascular benefits of running outweigh the orthopedic risks of doing it fat, imho.

If I ever see you out on the road training, you'll get no disapproval from me. Instead, you'll get a hearty high-five and a "You're looking great! Great job!" And you'll also get my admiration and respect.

What race are you training for?
The last allowable bastion of hatred is against the overweight. Which, by some reports, number about 70% of the population...

Get yourself a shirt that says HELLO, HATER on the front and BYE, HATER on the back... fuck 'em.

People that want to tell you what you can and cannot do never have your best interests at heart, ever. Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.
Juli, at mile 24 of your marathon, when every cell in your body is in withering pain and you can't think of a single reason to take even one more step, think of this C-bag fukker and how you're going to prove him a bloviating asshat by finishing the last 2 miles.

And PLEASE post your post-race photo, with a big ol' medal 'round your neck, and an enthusiastic double bird directed at all the haters and doubters out there. Post-marathon race photos aren't supposed to look good. They are supposed to be testaments to a terrible battle fought and won. Please post it!
I loved this post. I hate these thin snob athletes. I just finished a WordPress website for the Santa Rosa Island Triathlon and one of the things that I did on the site was showcase different peoples experiences with doing Triathlons. I love the stories where people doing this event are not the ( boring) norm. I wrote a post about a blind guy who did the race - in fact he does a lot of them. Can you imagine running blind? Or swimming with a tether? Then there is the young woman with Cerebral Palsy who completed the Tri with her aunt hauling her through the whole event. Amazing.

I am one of those people, completely healthy except built for times of famine in the Serengeti, not for living in the land of plenty. I was inspired. My husband is one of those super tall thin types usually associated with such an event. He shaves his legs so people will know he is a swimmer ( I am sure it could not possibly make that much difference in his time!). He is not one of those thin snobs but he is very competitive and it makes me mad that I can't compete with him .
But, I can actually swim a third of a mile. I can bike 18 miles and I can run/ walk 3 miles. This year's race is October 3, too soon for me to prepare this time. But next year, I figure if I can do all of these events separately then under the gun I can certainly do them in one swell foop even if it takes me all day. What the hell... I am inspired. I may be fat but I can see. Just Juli, thanks for the post.
Well ranted. I was worried about your knees until you pointed out that the heavily muscled may be putting just as much weight on them. Go get 'em!
Well how annoying this Craig person is! The idea is to be fit, not some body typed imagined by some self-involved twit. Thanks for this post and keep running; I respect you for it.
Sorry if someone already mentioned this book, but have you read "Slow, Fat, Triathlete?" It's a wonderful training book and it helped me through my first half-marathon. She's very body positive and all about becoming an athlete in the body you have NOW. Wonderful! Thanks for your great post.
I do think running causes injuries, but I agree with you that it has nothing to do with body type. Some people seem to have a knack for it, and they know who they are. Me, I'm not one of 'em. I admire you and think you should keep on doing what works for you.
A 250+ lb. runner of whom I'm especially fond recently won the "tortoise award" for coming in dead last, just three minutes under the cutoff time. The running event was his 15th finish of a 100-mile ultramarathon. So to that Craig guy, I say overweight people can not only train for marathons, they can go on to use marathons as training runs.
and don't even get me started on my "skinny" "friends" who comment to me on others who just need to get off the couch and they'll lose weight, when if they thought about it, they'd remember that I am fat though I exercise daily and don't lose weight; they never exercise and, other than a certain middle-aged flabbiness, are thin.
I try not to counter with how I can stop with one or two drinks and they either can't or have to go to weekly AA meetings. See, every body is different.
Three thoughts:

(1) While I do not have the lithe, stereotypical runner's body (I'm hella hourglassy), I can tell you after nearly a decade of running that my big-boned bottom half has prevented many an injury that a more delicate frame would have sustained instantaneously. Having a curvy lower-half throughout pubescence means my leg bones grew to support some rather bootylicious ass and thighs. This means I have incredibly strong infrastructure down there and would basically have to be dropped off a skyscraper in order to break a pelvis, leg, or ankle bone. So not only is it not wrong for larger people to run. There are actual benefits. C-bag can suck my formidable tibia for not knowing that.

(2) Magazines, Oprah, and everyone else in media need to start doing much, much better job of vetting their "experts," when presenting people claiming to have specialized knowledge of any kind. In J-school, I was taught to be very conservative about ever referring to a non-PhD/MD as an "expert" and to vet even the degreed people very carefully. Now it seems like any jackass can worm their way into the national spotlight with some half baked quackery and we have to start putting some of the blame for this on the editors and producers who permit it. (Side note: Salon recently ran a great story recently on how Huffington Post frequenly runs less-than-credible health coverage, and I was thrilled.)

(3) I read an article a few years ago about how women are breaking their own worldwide speed records at a rate that have many pro-level running coaches a little baffled. One even went so far as to say that he believes the world's fastest person will someday soon be a woman. He attributed this to two things (1) the final, complete abandonment of the old your-uterus-will-fall-out nonsense and (2) a more ideal body type for speed: muscle mass concentrated in the legs, and less muscle mass up top (than men), therefore less weight up there to haul around. While I do not personally run for speed, I nevertheless found this inspiring. So, go women. Go runners of all sizes and shapes. Go Juli!
Thank you for writing a smart, thoughtful, personal, brave piece about your experience. As a fattie who occasionally rides a bike, I've experienced all manner of taunts, jeers and insults. I think, more than science or opinions on health, the issue is truly fat phobia. People only leave us alone when we are hiding ourselves in shame, eating the lies that the popular media shoves down all of our throats. But the more we own our experiences, our bodies, and our critical thoughts, the more strongly we stand up to this propaganda. You might like my blog www.whatswrittenonmybody.blogspot.com. Anyway, you're awesome and kick ass!
I have a proposal--no idea if it has any validity.
Everyone's hostility to C-bag is rooted in self-hatred and self-doubt.
Had C-bag written that red-heads shouldn't run, or that tall people shouldn't run, or that coffee drinkers shouldn't run, he'd have been ignored. If he'd written that one-armed people shouldn't run arguing that it would create spinal injuries, that would've created some debate, but not much vitriol.
But when he argued that fat people shouldn't run, we all went nuts. His disdain for fat people isn't what makes us angry. It is our own.
I almost have enough courage to start running again after reading this :) It's been over 15 years, but I did love it.
I'd say you're a runner by my definition (speed and intent). My sis does 11 minute miles. But she's a runner, no doubt about it. She trains regularly, she doesn't skip workouts, she works on her form, and for shorter races she can push herself to 10 minute miles. It doesn't come as easily to her as it does for me, but she tries just as hard, and she's just as, probably more, determined to be good at this thing that has it in its addictive grip.

My sis has run 2 marathons, though she was born with a birth defect that had surgeons saying she'd never walk normally and need both hips replaced by age 20, and even then be crippled by arthritis. Well, they were wrong about that - she had ONE hip replaced, at age 42, and they were amazed at how rapidly she bounced back from the surgery, which was not at all routine. *I* think she bounced back so well b/c she's a runner.
Juli, when I was a child people told me I'd make a great distance runner in high school. I was nothing but limbs, couldn't put on weight eating enough for three, and while I seldom won the short races between neighborhood kids, I had a freaky level of endurance (born mainly of stubborness). My aunt was also a track-and-field star in high school--like, winning State-level competitions and considering-trying-out-for-national-team-level good.

Then when I was eleven years old and weighed about 100 lbs sopping wet and hadn't done any more atheletic training than ordinary kid running-around-and-climbing-trees-stuff, I tore the cartillage and tendons in my right knee. X-rays, MRIs, and surgery revealed that the reason I tore it was that the cartillage was completely deformed and had been since birth. Enter two months on crutches, four months in a hip-to-ankle leg brace, a good year of a gradually-less-noticeable limp, three half-inch scars, one four-inch monster scar with little stitch scars surrounding it, and a complete lack of feeling in the skin over half my knee.

Seventeen years later, I'm 5'7" tall and 140 lbs. C-bag would take a cursory look at me and I say I was a good candidate for training for a marathon. But I still can't run without my right leg flinging out wildly to the side, and running 26.2 miles would put me at a very high risk of re-injuring that knee, not to mention leave me in a great deal of pain.

Screw C-bag. If your knees are up to it, go for it.
You go, girl!!! If you can do it, then do it. Who are "they" (or C-bag Craig or whomever) to tell you what you and your body can do? I've always been a little on the chunky side and managed to cover some miles when running was my "thing." My boyfriend is about 30 lb overweight and runs at least 10 miles a day. He tells me that if he did not run, he figures he'd be more like 60 lb overweight; but, he eats what he likes (and lots of it) and I like him just fine. He plans to run his first marathon in October. Keep on running, we're all behind you!
Wow! So many great responses- love it.

Thanks Myopia- and Trudge- get out there slacker! Run like the wind. Give me an excuse to go to Miami in January. ;-)

Thanks dolores! Ghost writer- maybe I'll do a tri next.

Malusinka- I agree. Oh azurelotus! I am so flattered and I hope you do start up again! This is exactly the thing- I didn't want to wait to achieve my goals until I was somebody else's idea of what a marathon runner should look like. Why not live now?

Thanks Lisa! Thanks geezerchick! I love seeing older runners. I want to be them when I grow up. (often they are hard core and pass me up)

Thanks Gus- I totally agree and I hope you do marathon train- it is really rewarding (some days suck, but mostly rewarding ;-)

Dana- I love it! What an inspirational story- I think I will take your advice about mile 24- righteous anger can be very motivating. I'm training for Chicago. (used to be LaSalle bank- now Bank of America runs it)

Gordon- great t-shirt idea :-) Judi- thank you! I should skip over to the Santa Rosa Tri site- it sounds inspirational. Keep on keepin' on!

Thanks HB! Thanks 1womansvu! And susan- I agree about strength being sexy. Strength of all kinds.

rguillory- thanks so much for pointing out Slow Fat Triathlete to me! I was checking out the site and she just seems fabulous. I will check the book out for sure.

Thanks lainey! mecdelaware- inspirational- ultramarathon?! Awesome. k-9- thanks- yes people make all sorts of assumptions about being overweight that they just haven't tested at all.

shanfrancisco- you rock! Thanks for that info and I agree with you- (love the suck my tibia- I may steal that)
Thanks Erin! I will check you out for sure- keep it up!
Thanks Kennewickman- To some degree you're right- but I don't disdain fat people and I would certainly never dream of telling someone they couldn't do something before they'd even tried. So- I am also pissed at people like Craig who assume they know the limits of my body without any kind of proof.

Julie- I'd love to be an inspiration- thanks!

Sandra- your sister sounds just incredible- there's a woman I trained with for a bit who credits running for her quick stroke recovery. I really think it is a great health benefit and empowering thing.
juli, totally loved your post. agree on it's most basic level and i am impressed with you for running marathons. it's a tough accomplishment for anyone. good for you for ripping apart this absurd assumption. it's really interesting to hear people's misconceptions about physical activity and their body size.

i absolutely adore running. nothing compares to what it does for me mentally and physically. while i am, for the most part, physically fit and love how i look and how good i feel, i was a bigger girl at one time. as i became more and more obsessed with running i went through a period of mourning for my old shape. it's not conventional but it is true. i'm still a curvy girl with some extra (in fact, i am still considered overweight by the general guidelines) but i am also toned and a lot stronger and fitter than some people who are much smaller than me.

whenever someone who is overweight (or anyone for that matter) asks me for advice i always encourage them to think about running. there's always going to be a transition period, especially if you haven't been active for a long period. but that's why you run in stages. i will disclose at this point that i am a certified personal trainer. i would never ever discourage someone from running based on how they look or how fast they run. it's a process, like most things in life. there are so many factors that make up a person's ability. being overweight is not disqualifier. it paints too broad a stroke to be so dismissive. besides, one of my friends is an extremely physically fit gym teacher. he participates every year in the chicago marathon. i was shocked to learn he runs an eleven minute mile while i clock in at about a nine-and-a-half to ten minute mile.go figure.

thanks again for writing such a great post. i assume you'll be running next month's marathon so best of luck to you!
If running works for you, then keep doing it. More power to you.

Even when I was really skinny, my knees wouldn't tolerate it. I stick with my bike and swimming. I've had a few years when I worked up to 100 mile rides but couldn't run 1 mile. We all have to do what works for our own bodies.

C-bag sounds like the ultimate asshat. If you're running the marathon next month, I hope it goes well for you.
I'm reasonably thin and fit but I can't run. My body just isn't made for it. That said, I applaud anyone who gets out there and does it no matter what their weight. It's the intent and action that count. I wouldn't spend one more second worrying about what a self-serving naysayer thinks. JustJuli, do you thang!
You are amazing, Juli. Seriously. I'm really proud of your passion, focus, and determination. You rock!
Good for you, Juli. So many people making judgments, telling people what they can and can't do. From Govt. officials to so called experts. To hell with them!!
I totally, totally love this.

I've been a casual short-distance runner for years. I have no plans to run a marathon, but I still have to battle with the idea that I'm too fat to be a runner. It's mostly in my own head, but when I read drivel like this Craig person's garbage, I realize that I'm not the one who put it in there.

I've recently started doing "hot yoga" classes, and am also a bit intimidated by the standard yoga body type (the room is full of ballet dancers. You can imagine.) However, last week I had a new instructor: a short, curly-haired, cherub-faced round lady with a little pot belly and a super-duper fat ass. In fact, she looks a lot like I would look if I did a ton of yoga! These moments inspire me.
Absolutely! Who is this creep anyway? Good for you for calling him out on his bullshit. Run, Juli, Run!
You go girl! I work w/ women w/ body shame all the time -- you are a fabulous example of a woman who knows that who she is, what she weighs and looks like is pretty damn good just the way it is! Don't let the jerks get you down!!
Great post, Juli! I'll say this once and only once: EVERYONE IS A RUNNER!!! Our bodies were designed to run. Most of modern society has simply forgotten how because they don't have to. Before there were cars, bicycles, horses, trains or any other mode of transportation we got around on foot. Humans are distance runners by nature - not sprinters. I don't care how fast you are, you're not going to chase down a gazelle by trying to sprint after it. But what you can do is jog after it and follow it's tracks all day if you have to. Eventually that speedy gazelle is going to drop dead from exhaustion because it was made for sprinting. That's how most early civilizations who depended upon game for their food did it.
This notion of runners looking down on joggers irks me to no end. I'm a freakishly avid runner (and I mean a total freak about it) with whom negative splits, Fartleks, Yasso 800s, speed intervals, tempo runs and hill work mean nothing to. All you have to do is listen to your body. Go fast if and when you can go fast and slow down when you need.
Oh, and a little word of advice as far as running shoes go: you don't have to spend $100 to get a good pair of shoes. There was a study done a few years back on avid runners and those who purchased shoes that cost $95 and above suffered more training injuries than those with $40 sneakers. The more expensive shoes add a ton of crap trying to stabilize your already perfectly stabilized feet and wind up causing injuries. Don't buy into the hype from shoe companies!
Also don't buy into C-bag. He's just another idiotic "personal trainer" hawking his wares for profit at the expense of everyone's body image. If anyone out there knows him, let him know he's been challenged to a fitness duel: a 50 mile race and he can choose whatever terrain or track he chooses. I know I sound like a crackpot but I'm serious. These "fitness gurus" should be put to the test and show us they can walk the walk. I'll start with C-bag if he's up for it and then pick the others off month by month.
Man, that dude pisses me off. Keep runnin' Juli!
I just came across this -- great post. I am impressed with anyone who has the focus and determination to run or walk a marathon -- I don't want to do anything for that amount of time, let alone running. But I admire the drive. This guy sounds like the classic example of someone who spent a lot of time getting all those fancy letters after his name and in the process, lost his sense of the real world and real people.
And I don't know if you'll see it, but I would be remiss not to mention that AshKW -- the phrase "metric fuckton" made my beer come out my nose. So thanks for that.
Barefoot running. Google it. New phenomenon. Great stuff. Doesn't have to be fat people. People like body builders with a high BMI shouldn't run either. The shock to the knees, shins, and ankles are too great. Ever hear of sudden death syndrome? Seemingly healthy people dropping dead after a marathon. More common in an iron man competition, or a triathlon. NFL players, they sprint and rest. They do a lot of interval training. It fits the way our body is designed to move. You know, when we had a lot of natural predators. What do you think ATP is for? And another thing, I think marathon running is highly unnatural. If you carbo-load, that's even worst. Lipid hypothesis and our switch to carbohydrates as a main source of energy... As far as fat people go. It's funny hanging out with them. Especially the ones that want to get fit but catches an attitude when I try to correct their eating habits. Did you know that they have this ball of potato that's stuffed with anything you'd like and deep fried? Delicious... Tall and slanky male physique? No thank you. I rather look like I can do some lumber work.
Great post! I am now thinking of organizing a group of overweight runner like me here in our locality. Maybe we could start at 2K fun run as our initial program with a lot of ambulance and paramedic escort of course.