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MARCH 17, 2010 1:25PM

The Sleep Deprivation Chronicles

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Ada Calhoun has a very interesting piece on the battle over “crying it out.” This is something that very directly impacts my life as a mother of two toddlers. There are few things that can screw up your life more than not getting the sleep you need. There’s a reason sleep deprivation is considered torture. So I’m all about reading everything out there. I’m open to ideas, people. It seems like Sleep Training or Attachment Parenting are the only two options sometimes, though, and, like everything else, people like to set them up as polar opposites and have them duke it out in a robot rock ‘em sock ‘em ring of their own creation. I especially enjoyed that Dr. Sears was made out to be an extremist. Here's a quote from his website, "Follow your heart rather than some stranger's sleep-training advice, and you and your baby will eventually work out the right nighttime parenting style for your family." Yeah. He sounds like a real jihadist.

I think the comparisons are false and stem from false assumptions like all parents choose one or the other and commit to these ideas completely. I have two toddlers. I let one cry it out (sort of) and the other co-sleep to her heart’s content (kind of). What I am doing is to survive and “whatever works” is my life motto. So I don’t fit completely in either camp (if these camps really even exist) I did not want to wear or sleep with my baby indefinitely. That’s why pregnancy ends y’all. And with Crying it Out? The big secret that no one tells you? You don’t just do it once. It is not this one week session of misery and then golden child goes to bed without a single issue forever after. If it was I would have let them cry until their eyes bled.

When we tried crying it out with Aidan, it was more than the classic three nights of misery. (Personally I found the Crying it Out message boarders to be a hell of a lot more self-righteous and insufferable than the attachment parents. They were always quick to point out that sure it was hard (What are you, some kind of wimp? Get a spine!), but little Johnny cried less and less each night and by the third night- it’s always by the third night- there’s something magical about that third night- little Johnny was sleeping like an angel. If it doesn’t work for you, well, dude, you’re doing it wrong. Maybe it's message boards that are the problem.)  Aidan cried for almost two weeks with some nights being great and others terrible, but she did get better and eventually comforted herself back to sleep on her own. Then came the Fateful Date Night.

New parents have pressure on all sides. If you’re a mom you’re supposed to be back to pre-pregnancy shape a week after delivery. If you’re a dad you’re supposed to be nurturing your marriage and romancing your wife with date night right away. (Or, let’s be honest, after almost a year of spotty sex you’re desperate to get laid.) So we tried the date night thing and it was good to unload the child on someone else for awhile. We were tearing each other apart by this time. Aidan needed to be nursed almost constantly and I am a person who needs at least a six hour stretch of sleep once a week to be any kind of a human being. Pair this with a nasty case of mastitis that had me alternately screaming and weeping as I nursed and you have a divorce in the making. My poor husband stood there during one of these painful nursing sessions not knowing what to do. Wanting to fix it and being completely helpless. We were both miserable beyond words and there was no one to take it out on except each other.

Date night was an attempt to remember why we were doing this whole thing after all. Re-capture a little magic. I hope we did. Frankly, I don’t remember. What I do remember is the aftermath. We picked Aidan up from my mother-in-law’s late and the child had passed out. No big deal right? We tried to carry her out to the car gently and put her into her car seat to go home. Well, car seats these days are a nightmare of twelve-point harness straps and buckles. We got one arm in, I think, before she started screaming. And these screams? I can’t even describe them. She was at least six months old at this point. I thought I had heard everything she could dish out. This sounded as though we were simultaneously sawing her right arm off with a rusty blade and boiling her left arm in oil. We finished buckling her like the Marx brothers on methamphetamines and drove off with her screaming the whole way home. And sleep after that? Forget it. And the next night? Guess what? Like we never cried it out in the first place. We were back to square one. This is the sleep trainer’s dirty little secret. Any kind of tiny change in a kid’s schedule can undo everything you’ve done. And every kid does not respond the way little Johnny responds.

With our second child, Sidney, we co-slept. For the first year it was absolutely ideal. I got more sleep than I ever had trying to lay Aidan down in her crib soooo carefully like a house of cards in a high wind, knowing the slightest head tilt would wake her. With Sidney I ignored all the “you’ll smother her” crap and slept surrounded by blankets and pillows. There’s actual photographic evidence of this too. You can call DCFS now. And I SLEPT! Ah GOD! Blessed sleep. I would pass out halfway through nursing the kid with my boob hanging out in the trashiest of fashions. It was glorious.

Now we are trying to get her out of our bed. It has been a comedy of errors the whole way through. We put her crib in the guest bedroom and attempted to cry it out. I have never seen a child as determined as Sidney. She would fall asleep standing up in the crib, clutching the bars in her little fists. I went in once and tried to lay her down. Her grip was like iron and, of course, my attempt to move her woke her and inspired a new fit of wailing. Some of the sleep training books suggest you stand in the room with the child and “comfort them” without picking them up. What a joke. This pissed my daughter off even more. I was standing right next to her and not picking her up, which was all she wanted. She did not want me to touch her if I was not going to pick her up. We gave that nonsense up right quick. We now had another child to think about waking with this endless screaming.

The next phase of sleep deprivation involved laying a mattress on the floor and one of us, usually my husband now because when I lay next to her all she wanted was boob (takes after her father I always say) lying next to her until she fell asleep and then sneaking out of the room. This worked to varying degrees as well. As often as not, my husband would just pass out with her and sleep the whole night in the other bedroom. If he did make it out without waking her she would wake at least once a night and we would have to repeat the process. The lesson here seems to be: “suffer now or suffer later, but you will suffer.”

The final stage in sleeplessness has been our possibly ill-conceived idea to move the two girls into one room. I thought Sidney just needed company. And how do people in one-room shacks do it anyway? I think this is a first-world problem. Anyway, there is a light at the end of the tunnel. It may be a train. But the girls are sleeping better. There are still bad nights. Last night was one of them. I ended up in the spare room with both of the girls in bed with me, but this wasn’t until four am. At least I had a good six hours before then.

Ms Calhoun gives some excellent advice in her piece, “Everyone needs a devil's advocate  so they don't get wedded to an extreme position.” Absolutely. I believe in reading opposing arguments. (When I actually have time to read) Except that these shouldn’t really be opposing arguments. Bits of each philosophy are important. Children need to learn independence and parents need their own lives. Children also need nurturing and support and giving that to them is not necessarily being undisciplined. My experience is that parenting is a big messy area of grey and a whole lot of mistakes and I’m only four and a half years into this whole thing. So you’ll forgive me if I look a little skeptically at Ms Calhoun’s final statement that, “Those two nights of agony nearly three years ago were almost insignificant -- except insofar as they saved our life.” I do wish her well, though, and I hope her son continues his healthy sleep habits. I just wish she had taken her own advice on the middle ground.

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Boy, can my eldest daughter and mother of two completely relate to this post! To a tee!!! My beautiful 37 year old daughter has been through it all, as you have so painfully described here, with her two: a son, Graydon, now 3 and her soon to be one year old daughter (also, Sydney!) She just called to say that Sydney is doing better and is now sleeping from 8 to 4 am. Yikes. Gramma (me) will have her hands full soon. Will be taking care of the little tykes for over a week, first week of April, while Kelly and her best friend take a much needed vacation to Mexico, leaving kids and husbands to tend to the usual toil, jobs and leaving the kids to dear old Gramma. Told Kelly they will be undoubtedly spoiled when she returns, but too bad. That's how it will play out at my end, however it ends up...cuz gramma needs her sleep! Nothing worse than a sleep-deprived gramma!
And I am the keeper of the kids every Sunday night while Kelly and hubby do their date night at my cabin, complete with hot tub, mountain views, wine and beer on tap for their few hours of alone time, away from kids and the spoils of the days events.

You are not alone! Just loved this post and real life trials and tribulations. But cha just got to love those little angels when they do fall asleep!!!

Oh! And the "family bed" or "co-sleeping thing!" Yeah, tried that with my youngest who had major sleeping issues and night terrors! Holy God that was horrible! Took us till she was 8 to get her outta our bed and potty trained! Never, ever do that, for the love of saints and sanity!!!
Good post Juli. The answer is that there is no one "right" way to parent, as long as the kids are fed and loved and safe. No matter what you do, you'll have a chorus of know-it-alls to tell you that their kid did it right (and you're wrong). The truth is that we're all finding our way in the dark. Books can only tell you about hypothetical children, or the author's children. Not your child.

I think the best advice was from Dr. Spock who said "Trust yourself. You know more than you think you do."

Party on!
The good news is, it is over someday and then you read something like this and remember those awful years. Because for me it took years. Everything is great now, though. It will be for you too.
Good luck, Juli. That's all I can say.
I can tell you that one day all of this fussing about sleep and how to get it done -- you won't remember much of it. Like the potty training. I can't remember when they were potty trained. I mean, I know they are NOW (at twenty-three and twenty) but I can't tell you at what age it happened or how I went about it. Now the teenage years...those are fresh in my mind.
This too shall pass. That's all I got on this one!
I did a combination of them all for the Kid. As the new issue is getting out of the crib, it's a whole new ballgame. Just when I was catching up on sleep, I watched her stroll through the room on the monitor one night. Noo!!!!!

So, we're working on it. I'm sure by the time she moves out to go to college, we'll have it licked.

I have friends that are STRICT about this stuff. "Don't go in her room!" and "What?!? You went in and comforted her?!? How will you ever get her back to sleep on her own?!!!?" Except I could always do that with her. When she was sick, she co-slept. When she was well, if she got upset, I went in and comforted her. Then, when she was comforted, I put her back in bed and I left. She went back to sleep. This method seemed to work the best FOR HER.

I'm beginning to think one simply does what works for that night, for that child, and eventually, glory be! they sleep through the night. Every child is different. So, anyone who tells you you are doing it wrong probably needs a good slap upside the head.
I think your approach is excellent. I have four children; I did different things with each of them. Whatever gets all of us the most sleep was my goal. The advantage of larger families is parents tend to get more humble and less dogmatic with each succeeding kid, as what worked with kid 1 is an absolute disaster with kid 3. Three of them now have kids. It is gratifying to see them all follow the what works philosophy. I knew I could never tolerate the cry it out philosophy, so I never tried it.
Thanks Cathy! Your kids are lucky to have you and their date night- how wonderful. I noticed your granddaughter's name before and meant to mention- not only both Sydneys (different sp. for me) but both Si/ydney Roses!

Thanks froggy- I do like that Dr. Spock quote. I think that gets lost in the shuffle a lot of the time.

thanks angrymom- I know- this too shall pass - if it doesn't kill me first ;-)

Thanks Owl

Bellwether- I'm already fogging over on some of the details and it hasn't been that long. My brain has never worked well but it seems to be getting even worse. Maybe that's a blessing in disguise.

Aunt Mabel- it is kind of amazing any of us live through this isn't it? And after one I didn't stop? Why did I think that was a good idea? Oh except that they are amazing and gorgeous and I love them to pieces. Yeah- teenagers- oof. I know I was a lot of fun at that age.

thanks mypsyche
I do recommend encouraging what Winnicott called a transitional object, a lovely, a favey, as early as possible, say one month--something other than your boob.
I just love it when Salon features articles about parenting. I head straight for the letters, where all of the tiresome scolds come out of the woodwork to proclaim that their way is the only way, and everything else amounts to child abuse.

All I can say is that there is nearly infinite variety among human beings, and what "works" is also going to be infinitely variable. You will figure out what works for you and your children.

Best of luck. Sleep deprivation is, indeed, one of the most debilitating things I've ever experienced.
What a terrific post. It's been 17 years since I had sleeping issues with my daughter. But it's true that it will all be a fuzzy memory sooner than you'd like to think. Then they want tattoos. _r
It is true that all children are different and the approach to each one is unique. However, sometimes it is impossible not to have an opinion, because it hurts to see how close people are torturing themselves and spoiling their children to no end. I have a friend who has not got a good sleep in almost five years now. The two year old is nursing at night and wakes up a few times each night. He also still sleeps with the parents. And I love his parents, they are my friends and I can see how their relationship has gotten worse in those five years of little sleep. And I am terrified for the future, because their kids do not take no for an answer in everything besides sleep. They go to bed at 10 to midnight and clearly do not get enough sleep for proper development. And because they are close friends my heart bleeds for them in near silence, because it would be unfriendly of me to nudge all the time. So, even if a custom approach is needed for every child, sometimes it is quite clear that the approach needs to be changed for the well being of everyone involved. Sadly in this case it is not clear to the mother. She still thinks that it will end by itself in a couple of months time. Unfortunately it will not.

What I really do not like here is the Salon's sensationalism. It is clearly irresponsible to call Cry It Out "child abuse", especially in the title. Lately Salon has been displaying a lot of it combined with being plain rude and judgmental. Like in every article about figure skating, for example. But I digress.
I got nothing, but wanted to offer support and a sincere hope that you get some good sleep every now and then. I'm a fan of ambien (uh, for you) on the nights when it's not your turn to hustle.
I love your flexibility and the compassion that underlies your words. I could never stand letting my kids cry like that, and yet the more tired I was and the later in the family order each kid got, the more comfortable I got with a little bit of fussing. They all survived and are well adjusted. Well, you know, as much as teenagers can be called "well adjusted."
Thanks Red- we were working on the lovey thing at one point. It seems Sidney's lovey now is her dad. Not necessarily a bad thing.

Odette- Yeah- the getting out of bed- we're dealing with it too. It is so frustrating to me that people think you can pick up a book a solve everything. It's just not that simple in my experience. You muddle through. Good luck to you too!

Jeanette- thank you- I didn't even read the letters- I was fired up enough by the article. Do I dare?

Thanks Joan

Thank you for commenting snowball- the thing is- the article does side with the sleep trainers. I don't know- I don't think crying it out is anything like child abuse, but it just doesn't always work and sleeping is not a problem that can be neatly solved. It's just like any other parenting issue- messy and difficult. I hope your friends get things worked out.
awesome blog! i agree that parenting is a mixture of what worked for you, him, her, and them over there. no one way works for everyone! My first son wasn't much into co-sleeping either and I was terrified of smothering him and SIDS and him staying in my bed FOREVER. So we didn't co-sleep much at all. He was also really easy going about everything from a very very young age. I knew the basics of the ferber method (without actually reading any books on ferber) and it worked fine for him. My second son, who is 4.5 months old, is a cuddling, co-sleeping fool. He is such a different kid than his big brother that I'm almost certain my interpretation of the Ferber method won't work. However, my goal remains the same: I don't want this child in my bed for much longer! So I'm going to have to figure out something to try soon before he gets too completely used to sleeping in my bed. We are using a co-sleeper for about 3/4 of the night, but he is almost too big for it. I want him in his own crib, in his own room soon. *sigh*
Great post, Juli. I stressed to no end about getting my first child to sleep. I feel like we tried everything, and nothing worked. Finally, though, around 18 months old, he just sort of "got it." He would still come to our room on occasion in the middle of the night though, until the last year or so (he's 5 now). Our second child...a dream. Even when he was teeny tiny, he never wanted to fall asleep rocking or lying down with me. He'd want to be held until he was drowsy, then wanted to be put in his own bed by himself. Not sure how I lucked out there! But, my first one still has issues on occasion. Every child is different, and every parent is different too. What works for one won't necessarily work for all. Just do what works best for you and your family, and it will all work out in the end. As they say, this, too, shall pass. Take care.
My brother used to say "Get a rock and rock 'em to sleep." But then he became a dad, and it seems his parenting took a different approach. And I never had any, so I really don't know. I'm afraid I have no advice for you; only sympathy.
my kids are all grown up now but I remember those days. It was the same thing twenty years ago with the "experts" and the opposing camps and pitting the moms against each other.
When my first was a newborn, she didn't want to sleep in her crib. My husband didn't want to hear even one little hint or whimper from her, suggesting that she was less than perfectly happy.

He put her in our bed. On the second morning of co-sleeping, he woke up on her arm. It was limp. He shook it gently and life came back, to his great relief.

He promptly became an adamant proponent of the babies belong in cribs school. He failed to confess the waking-up-on-baby's-arm incident to me until our daughter was about 2.
I only had one fierce baby, you have two! Mine is now grown, but I remember the sleep wars vividly. It has nothing to do with your parenting, everything to do with a bright, hyper-alert kid, ultra-keyed into (and up by) a wonderful world and you. They do grow up, but with no sleep (and pity from other mothers whose kids fall asleep easily), it can seem like it's taking forever.

You need this mantra: "it's not me, this kid is who she is". Another thing I learned: try not to think "we're home free if she learns to [go to sleep, comfort herself, etc.]" - the disappointment starts to seep into your relationship with her and with your partner. The kid is who she is, you are who you are - you aren't doing anything wrong.

Years from now, you will find yourself dropping everything to respond when you read a post and recognize your weary voice, like deja vu all over again. Hang in there, it's worth every zombie minute.
It took my oldest daughter (now 42) exactly ONE night of 45 minutes' steady crying (me, too, me, too) until she fell asleep. She then went docilely to bed the rest of her childhood - in fact, by the time she was a 18 months old, if she was up past her bedtime, she would ask to go ni-night. So I foolishly (naively) thought ALL children were this amenable. Then we had The Twins (now 32). I nursed them in the bed from the time they could keep attached without my assistance - it was the ONLY way I could get sleep. Yes, our bed, their bed, the dog's bed, the flower bed - didn't really matter whose bed...and OF COURSE they nursed until they were past four years old and we (yes, WE - post-nursing, it didn't matter if it was my husband who slept with them or me or both) slept with them until they were...um...golly, SIX, SEVEN? Bobbie Sue actually slept on the floor by our bed (I am SO serious) when she came home from college. (Some of the time) (NOT JOKING HERE). And they ALL turned out to be healthy, happy, well-adjusted, GREAT mothers (and that's NOT Muthas!)
Sleep deprivation is one of the main reasons we only have one child.
I liked what you said in every way. I especially liked your hammering the point that there is a tremendous amount of intolerance. I agree with much of what many posters said about each case being individual. That being said, like "Red Stocking Grandma" I, too could never stand letting my babies cry it out. I could barely stand to hear them cry anyway. With my first-- now a very independent scholarship recipient and University girl with a 4.00 grade pt average at a top school in the World, who first toured Europe independently at 17–– I tried once to get her to sleep on her own. After 20 minutes, " No, Ma'am!" I had never heard of "co-sleeping" but I did it anyway, and basically obfuscated on answering questions. Maybe I was lucky in being a single mother. My husband and the father had a genuine nervous breakdown and hospitalization about 4 months before she was born. I had no one but somewhat irritating relatives and good friends to answer to. In the feisty words of Frank Sinatra I did it "My Way!" she was a co-sleeper till she was about 10. Meanwhile, I must have also lost my mind, because I decided to try again for a child when she was older , the results were again Daddy did a crazy bunk. This time I got stranded at my parents' house, but I had enough income left from work I had done previous to marriage to crawl along somewhat paying my way. I decided my work in life must be raising nice kids.
Second baby became my kind conscientious brilliant buccaneer boy --now 15. Very, very masculine! He was a co-sleeper till about the same age, maybe longer. He is IQ 197 and the sort of nouveau male that a lot of young women will be glad of in 10 years, plus he looks like Errol Flynn! I refuse to reveal how long I nursed either of them--think instead of Japanese Samurai-- but they potty trained themselves each at 2 and 3 respectively.
Forgot to say:
Yup, sleep deprivation was a large motivator: my first baby woke often, my second one "slept through the night like a log" but by then I was "corrupted" and a merrily sinful "family bed" type.
According to many co-sleeping advocates and my current husband who is in medicine, Ambien is NOT a good idea--because the only co-sleepers that really seem to get into trouble is the one who has taken drugs, taken sleeping pills, or drinks to excess. Hope this doesn't rile too many.

Also forgot --rated!
With our three we approached the sleep thing differently each time. With the first born, our solution was a jigger of vodka in the formula every night at 8 p.m. Worked like a charmed. Of course, his needing a liver transplant at age 13 was a little embarrassing.

With No. 2, Tasers had just hit the market. For two nights, every time he cried we'd goose him with it. Again, worked like a charm. Of course, now that he's all growed up, he has an inordinate fear of any electrical device. He lives in a lean-to somewhere in Appalachia...we think.

By the time No. 3 showed up, we were pros. With her, a combination of vodka and the Taser had her comatose by the second night! Of course, the downside has been that she is one mean bitch when she's drunk--which is most of the time--and can't seem to keep a boyfriend because they tend to run for the hills after the first time she Tazes them in the nuts when they snore.

But I agree with you: One shouldn't be dogmatic in dealing with sleep problems.
I love this post. (And it's very timely for me! Just this week I wrote my own sleep deprivation bits, they're in que to be posted) My son is 3 months old now and I'm still very new to the whole parenting thing and realizing the books contain the occasional nugget of helpful advice and a whole lotta crap that doesn't describe my situation at all but which makes me anxious nevertheless because it screws with my expectations for what my child should/could be doing. (I wrote about that this week too - I'm just slow to post.) I love that you outed the sleep trainer's dirty little secret - thank you for that, and for writing honestly about how this stuff goes. I'm discovering, like all the moms who went before me, that the best advice comes not from the books but from other parents who've been there and done that. They can tell you what worked for them, often with more kindness and compassion than I've found in the books. Also - very well written. You rock. Rated.
I just found this. It reminded me of a dear friend whose eldest daughter, now 6, went through everything you're describing with your Sidney. To this day, the child goes to bed at 7pm b/c they're afraid to change the routine! Hope it's going better by now...
interesting post. sounds like you're a good mom. r.
thank god for this posting. My husband and I are listening to our son CIO as I type. This is our second attempt at this whole sleep training business. We did Ferber the first time - not so good. I was a complete mess. Plus, we were moving. Once moved into our new place, we hired (okay, FINE - I hired) a sleep consultant. Yep. Went there. You see, I had read all the books and was thoroughly confused. My husband said I was paying someone for confidence -- he was right. And his point being...? I get to email her after a 24 hour cycle which gives me a false sense of progress and control. Perfect! But here's the thing...we have been at this for a week now. It went great for the first three nights, and ever since, complete attrition, regression, etc... And as you wrote, her response is always pointing the finger at me. God forbid she admit this is a flawed process that just may not suit certain babies. It's beyond painful listening to him cry and not knowing what the hell to do. Our son has zero interest in sleeping with us, and when we were rocking him to sleep, he would only wake up 20 minutes later furious and unable to put himself back to sleep. Just wanted to say thank you for posting this. It makes us feel less insane and less lonely as we try navigating our way through the murky waters of the mystery called sleep. BTW - I am also a writer named Julie who hails from the city of big shoulders. Love your voice.

P.S. Can we please eliminate all Dr. Sears books?? I wanted to write "burn." But that's probably too extreme??? Love how he says when mothers who sleep train question attachment parenting on their method of choice, they're really just projecting their own feeling of guilt and parental inadequacy onto the more noble attachment parenting folks.