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OCTOBER 6, 2009 7:35PM

Judge Shows Leniency to Parents in Wisconsin Prayer Death

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Madeline 'Kara' Neumann, the 11-year-old Wisconsin girl who died in March 2008 after her parents failed to get her medical attention for undiagnosed diabetes, relying only on prayer.   Her parents were sentenced today in a Wisconsin courtroom. 

 

 

The Wisconsin parents who prayed over their 11-year-old daughter instead of getting her medical care prior to her death learned their fate this afternoon in a Marathon County courtroom.

Dale and Leilani Neumann of Weston, Wisconsin, were sentenced by Judge Vincent Howard to ten years of probation and 30 days of jail time each for the next six years, a lenient sentence for the parents who potentially faced 25 years in prison for their convictions of second-degree reckless homicide in the death of their youngest daughter, Madeline 'Kara' Neumann, who died in March 2008.   The Neumanns believed that prayer alone would heal Kara,  who was later determined to have undiagnosed diabetes, and did not seek medical treatment.  

Judge Howard decreed the parents could serve the jail time in different months of the year, the father in March, the month Kara died, and the mother in September.  Their remaining children will be subject to regular health checks, given randomly, and the parents are ordered to seek medical attention for the children, submit a DNA sample, pay restitution and serve 120 hours of community service.

Jail time has been deferred pending appeal by the parents; the probation is scheduled to begin immediately.   

The 'faith healing' case garnered attention worldwide and controversy locally in central Wisconsin, where young Kara Neumann's death occurred.   In sentencing the parents, Judge Howard stressed these were "two people who made a bad decision, a reckless decision."

 

 

The Wausau (Wisconsin) Daily Herald kept a live blog of the sentencing this afternoon:   Live Blog:  Neumanns Sentenced to Probabation, Jail

The New York Times published this article in January 2009 on the trial of Kara's parents:  Trial for Parents Who Chose Faith Over Medicine 
 
The Wausau Daily Herald's updated story on the Neumann parents' response to Tuesday's sentencing: Prayer death mom Leilani Neumann praises judge for jail delay

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As someone who lives in central Wisconsin, this case made me particularly sad. News of the sentencing was breaking locally late this afternoon.
Ugh. This brings back some ugly memories from my hometown. Sad, sad stuff.
It seems like kind of a slippery slope though, when you start prosecuting parents for witholding medical care.

What about parents who don't take their kid to the doctor soon enough, and then the kid dies of flu, e:Coli, etc?

And there was a recent case where a kid with cancer WANTED to die, rather than go through years of painful treatment (after having already gone through years of it). The parents eventually agreed with the child and the state tried to take custody of the kid (I think he/she was about 13 or 14) so that they could FORCE treatment on the kid.

I don't know all the answers, but my knee jerk reaction is to get really queasy whenever the government gets involved in personal/familiy decisions.
I'm not in general a fan of the sentences given in the US, which tend to be too harsh in my eyes. But these people are getting off easy. It's really important that the authorities sends a clear signal: Believe what you want, but you have no right to inflict the consequences of your beliefs on your children. If they get sick, your duty is to take them to a doctor. They can choose prayer over medicine when they are adults. But you don't get to make that choice for them.
But at what point do we start prosecuting parents for not following doctor's recommendations.

What if a doctor recommends that a child get an organ transplant. Do parents HAVE to follow that course of treatment? If they don't and their child dies, do they go to prison?

And what if a parent doesn't make their kid wear a bike helmet and they die? Do the parents go to prison?

What if parents don't make their kids brush their teeth and their kids get cavities? Isn't that assault?

Sure the case in question is an extreme one, but where do you draw the line?
Hey, Kathy. I think the whole thing is sad. As a Christian I think that prayer can do wonderful things, and I include healing as a possibility. But I also think that God must have put doctors on earth for some good reason and that God can surely work "through" doctors at least as much as God works "through" parents. We do not "own" our children. They are not chattel and this isn't the dark ages. Nobody was saying that the parents could not also pray for their daughter's healing.

It is sad all the way around. But I think the bottom line is that a child died unnecessarily. I also think that while the judge was lenient the judge also took into account that the parents actually believed that they were doing the right thing, as did apparently, a lot of others who were there praying. I just hope that they have learned something through all of this.

Monte
As someone who was not brought up with religion, I still have a lot of respect for people who do, but it's sad when belief endangers those you love.
This is so embarrassingly sad. I have some nasty things to say about people like that. Instead, I want to say that this is a reflection on the culture as a whole. I love Wisconsin; I am sorry this happened there.

Great reporting as always, Kathy.

Rated.
The judge was clear to say this wasn't about a parent's right to pray over their child, which is protected by the First Amendment. It was about neglect, and reckless behavior. Prayer and medicine shouldn't have been an either/or in the case of parents who believe in the power of prayer. Plenty of people of faith use their faith as an adjunct and a support to medicine, but not a replacement for it.

I appreciate the comments on this thread, all of which make excellent points.

fins2theleft, your discussion of slippery slope is well taken.

Harvey and Monte, I share your view that prayer shouldn't have been in isolation, as noted above.

Owl_Says_Who, now I'm wondering where your hometown was. I wasn't aware of this particular group here in Marathon County until this case surfaced, and I believe it's very small, not well known in general.

Norwonk, neglect is neglect and reckless behavior is reckless behavior. I expect many share your view that the parents got off too light in the sentencing.

Caroline, exactly. Thanks for your comments.

Thoth, thanks for your kind words. It's always sad when a story like this happens, even sadder when it happens in the midst of our own community. Fortunately, in most places, behavior like this is the exception, and not the norm.
Kathy, it has been all over the news here in my corner of Wisconsin too. This case was heartbreaking. May Kara rest in peace.

Hope
Hope, I don't know the people involved, but I know people who do. It's big news around here.
Sad? Yes, for the little girl, as well as for the future victims of such idiocy. Beyond that, though, this is simply MADDENING.

This situation just points out the insanity of religion. Religion is a plague on society. And the slippery slope scenario doesn't hold at all. The issue here is one of NO medical care, total neglect based in sheer stupidity, neglect that killed a sweet little girl. And to compound the stupidity, the Times article mentions the possibility of legislators EXPANDING this kind of exclusionary protection for religiously based ignorance.

If people want to believe this crap, that is their right, but it is not their right to cause the death of another BECAUSE they believe this crap, especially the deaths of their children who can't decide for themselves what they believe and do not believe. Are the legislators in Wisconsin truly idiotic enough to actually consider expanding protections for this?

C'mon, people, quit tip-toeing around the obvious truth here; this was manslaughter, at the very least, and religion is the culprit. And the parents are so lacking in remorse that they think they should appeal the court's ruling. Good grief!
New Buddha Fun,

yeah, I thought the "appeal" was particularly indicative of the level of delusional thinking exhibited here.
The Judge is a far kinder man than I would be in his shoes. If I was him I'd have thrown the book, the desk and several chairs at these cretins. There is NO excuse at all for this... wilful stupidity.
As a man of faith I believe in healings, BUT, I don't believe in total disregard of medical attention, and that is what happened. God will use doctors to heal and perform miracles. I say lock these people up and throw away the key. Faith healing do happen, but this is to the extreme. My dad had a fatal heartattack but Doctors were used to save his life, and we prayed like we never prayed before. But to deny doctors to do their job is crazy.