Kathy Riordan

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MARCH 4, 2011 10:40AM

There'll Always Be a Provo

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My alma mater, Brigham Young University, Provo, Utah, with the Wasatch Mountains in the background.  Enter to learn, go forth to serve.

Earlier this week, I agreed to chauffeur a friend visiting on nearby Sanibel Island to the newly created community of Ave Maria, an unusual town sprung up around a Catholic college transplanted from the north to the Florida wilderness near Naples by the founder of Domino's Pizza.

"Isn't this amazing?" she said.  "An entire town centered on a religious college, with the church as its focus?"

It wasn't all that remarkable to me.  I'd lived it.

I'd spent my college years at BYU.

Ave Maria might have a few hundred students gathered at the first newly created Catholic college in  half a century, but when I attended college in the 1970's, Brigham Young University in Provo, Utah, the largest private university owned by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, had over 25,000.  Now, there are over 34,000, on a campus that is literally and figuratively the center of the community.   I'd gone from a high school graduating class of twenty-nine to a college freshman class of several thousand.

It was an adjustment in more ways than numbers.

Suddenly I was subject to an Honor Code that has overnight been thrust into media spotlight by the plight of a young basketball player, Brandon Davies.

It isn't the first time BYU's Honor Code has received public scrutiny.  In 2000, BYU coed Julie Stoffer was suspended from BYU for actions resulting from her appearance in the MTV reality show, "The Real World."

But most of the time, what happens in Provo stays in Provo, and the rest of the universe is blissfully unaware that the students and faculty there and at all BYU campuses worldwide, LDS or  non-LDS, married or single, gay or straight, have agreed to abide by a set of university standards that include not drinking coffee, tea (when I was there it also included caffeinated soft drinks, like Pepsi, Coke and Dr. Pepper), alcohol, or 'abusing substances' including tobacco and illegal drugs.  It was scandalous during my tenure to sneak NyQuil into our dorm rooms or have boys visit in the hallway.  There were always partiers, those who lived a different life at home on weekends or found ways to get around the Honor Code, whether they should have or not.   We affectionately referred to it as "The Zoo" and ourselves as "zoobies."

The speedbump for young Davies, apparently, was engaging in premarital sex (included in the general category of 'living a chaste life').  

Certainly there is plenty of sex that occurs at BYU, but most of it is in the bedrooms of the married housing.  Young LDS missionaries fresh from their missions at home or abroad are encouraged to marry quickly, and do, and many of the students on campus are married and starting families.

In the single coeducational population, the lines of chastity start to blur, as dating couples find their own ways to express affection, or not, and come up with Clintonian definitions of what constitutes sex.  

To suggest that Brandon Davies is the first to encounter this would be wrong.  He won't be the first, and certainly won't be the last.

He will, however, likely be the most expensive.

There'll always be a Provo, with the lights of the Provo LDS Temple illuminating the campus, the snow-frosted shadow of Timpanogos, the blazing Y on the hill, and the ghosts of Brigham Young, LaVell Edwards and Ernest Wilkinson roaming the corridors. 

 

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19-year-old basketball star Brandon Davies, left, who has been suspended from Brigham Young University for violations of its Honor Code.  The 6'9" forward was expected to lead the team to upcoming NCAA glory.

 

On the Web:

BYU Honor Code 

BYU Cougars Profile - Brandon Davies 

Brandon Davies Suspended from BYU Basketball Team for Honor Code Violation 

Danny Ainge on Brandon Davies and BYU 

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Honor codes and Universities have been honored by students with varying degrees of success for a very long time. In the time of Mr. Jefferson's University of Virginia, a professor found that a container full of human bodily fluids had been crashed thru a window of his residence. Mr. Jefferson pleaded personally with students for the guilty parties to come forward as befitting the honor code of the southern gentleman. Imagine his shock when his own nephew stepped forward. Jefferson is reported to have fainted from the shock.

I went to Georgetown, a Catholic University with a strict "no-cohabitation" policy in my day. Co-habitation was defined as sleepovers involving toothbrushes and change of underwear. There were a lot of ungroomed students running around....
No matter how strict, moral, or honorable an institution's foundation is, it is awfully difficult to go against Mother Nature. It almost takes a saint to do so, but I certainly respect and honor those institutions who try to enforce morality, ethics, and honor.
- the restrictions on "caffeinated soft drinks" would traumatize a significant number of the computer geeks I know.

Nice to see you back, Kathy.
Kathy, My college, Baker University, Baldwin City, Kansas, is a Methodist University and the center of that little town. In the days when I went to college, there was always an honor code of ethics and standards but it was falling away with the sexual freedom of the sixties. It's refreshing that the atheletic prowess is not given priority over the agreed upon morals of the community. Learning Integrity above basketball...almost un-American.
Kathy I had no idea about this. You pay incredible amounts of money to have honour codes and no Dr Pepper.
To each his own but their rules as they say.
rated with hugs
Great post, Kathy. Really interesting and informative.~r
Well this is something I never expected to findout here. I guess the world will always have surprises and many of them are in our higher education universities,.Thanks for sharing.
A place where people honor, honor codes, amazing.
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Some of my (Mormon) cousins went to that school, and I didn't know any of the things you've described here. Very interesting and enlightening; thanks, Kathy.
He knew the rules.
R. TY for this background.
Thanks Kathy, for a peek inside your young adulthood in Utah. Glad to see you back.
Linda--

Actually attending BYU is a bargain compared to other schools. BYU tuition is subsidized by the tithing of members of the LDS church. Members get the biggest tuition breaks. So, yes, in a way a person still pays plenty to have to adhere to strict standards but it's also a bargain compared to similar universities.
M Thompson is right. Of all the schools to which I was accepted, BYU was not only the closest to home, it was also the least expensive--by a significant margin.
I'm sorry but I wouldn't be caught dead at any school which requires written permission to grow a beard, let alone dictate how I am to express love.

I'm from the "Question authority" school of education.
How did Jim McMahon ever get through that place?lol

As for enforcing the so called chastity rule, I wonder how many in the administration adhere to it.
Or is it "do as I say, etc"?

Oh, and Kathy, we had snow again. Do you want me to go shovel over there up the hill?lol
Thanks for sharing this. Honor codes are becoming oxymoronic given cheating scandals at schools like our service academies.
I went to the "U", so I wouldn't have a clue what live as a "zoobie" was like. We thought the women at BYU loved chocolate milk and sex....
I attended two Baptist universities, each with their own code of conduct, but gratefully not as draconian as BYU's. Still, they were strict enough that breaking the rules became an interesting challenge at times. As much as we complained, I think the rules can help limit the distractions to academic pursuits. Just because someone turns 18 does not mean he or she has reached full adult maturity, whatever that is.
An interesting view of BYU. I attended for one year and did not fit in. I arrived as a democrat who drank caffeinated beverages, (you understand...) and I was hardly prepared for a school so sanitized that the statue of Brigham Young I walked past every day portrayed him without a beard.

I completed my education at a Baptist University where dancing was prohibited. Yes, I actually graduated from "Footloose" University. I reside in one of many "dry" towns in my beloved Texas. Of course Baptists are like Mormons and everyone else. Some follow the rules better than others, and none of us are perfect.

Three universities, four States and twenty years later, I see BYU and Utah in a slightly different light. There are many commendable things for those willing to look.

Still, I hope that my daughter chooses to stay in Texas.

kurt
Kathy, for a bit I attended the most liberal school (then) in America. Mary McCarthy had just fled, with all of her Catholic sensibilities intact, and called our school The Little Red Whorehouse. But, no honor code, or much of any code, was like having our parents away. We sort of made up rules. Ah well, thanks for this solidly rendered reminder that all honor codes back then (and even their lack) really didn't make much sense. At Baylor, a friend told me, a rule stated that her wastebasket could only be 50% full. You're always such a pleasure, Kathy. Rated, natch.
I really enjoyed reading this. I don't think I could have gone to a school with a code like that - ironically, I didn't actually do many of the BYU-forbidden things when I was in college, but I like the freedom of being able to. I went to NYU, one letter difference but a world away - compared to BYU, we were like Sodom and Gomorrah. I know a lot of BYU graduates, and they're great people - like yourself, so they must be doing something right.... Thanks for this very interesting personal perspective!
Like I said in FB comments, I didn't see the Honor Code applied with the same enthusiasm to Jim McMahon.
Such an honor code is quaint...but I agree with a couple of other commenters that say it is unusual and refreshing to see that the school places more value on the honor code than on winning sports titles. I'm sure Mr. Davies can find a school where it's acceptable to play basketball and fornicate in his spare time, so maybe it was just bad fit from the beginning. I mean, I wouldn't last an hour there, though I'm not telling which rule I'd break first.
I thought it was a college not a convent. Speaking of which, the rule in the convent is lights out at nine -- candles out at ten. Premarital sex is his "crime"? Christ, I thot he must have robbed or assaulted somebody.

I can understand an honor code such as at the military colleges -- cheating and not turning in cheaters and all that, but the code your describe strikes me as utterly ludicrous. No tea, for godssake -- how about the wine-bibbing all over the Bible?

This idiotic code is just asking for trouble. It's a set-up for the kind of disaster that now befalls not only this young man, but his teammates as well. Yeah, I know, blame it all a nineteen year-old kid exposed to great temptation -- he knew the rules.

This is yet another sorry example of why it isn't just the FLDS that gives Mormonism a bad name.
Wow! The words Chaste and College student used in the same sentance.....now that is certainly different.
This is absorbing, Kathy. I'm in Phoenix's East Valley, another huge enclave of LDSers. Did you by any chance know the woman who wrote Secret Ceremonies? I believe she attended BYU during the same years. The book was kind of a tell-all (and ended up quite tame, darnit--I was expecting bodysnatching in the temple at the very least.) Her description of her temple wedding fascinated me. Did you have one, too?
Torman - I was once a chased college student.
Snippy--No, but I've read the book. . .and no, I married an Irish Catholic captain of industry from Chicago, instead of a returned LDS missionary from Idaho. My marriage was consecrated at a Catholic mass, and not in an LDS temple. I was long out of the LDS Church by then.
I think honor codes imposed by religious universities often back fire whether the offenders are publicised or not. I had no idea how strict BYU was - no NyQuil? What would you do with it except get a decongested, good night's sleep ?
♥R
Fusun--same thing you'd do with Geritol.
Not familiar with the uses of Geritol either, Kathy. :o(
Interesting inside view. All that repression seems to come out in different ways, not all good.
What I want to know is, how exactly did the powers that be find out about what he did? Did Jesus tattle?
about a third of my high school class were mormon, here in SoCal, and many went to BYU. from a sociological standpoint, it's a fascinating place, the school, the LDS church, Utah. let's just say i wouldn't have lasted there. interesting article, kathy.
Don't sign up if you can't walk the walk, I guess.

I was shocked to learn some years ago, from a friend who lives in Las Vegas, that there's a large LDS community there. Quite the juxtaposition, you know? And, more recently, to learn that there's a fairly large LDS community at Harvard--and that many of the church's governing body are Harvard grad school degree holders.
Interesting post Kathy - thanks for the personal insight.
great post...find myself hard pressed to trash any group that attempts to encourage students to think about and act upon the basis of what is noble, honorable, healthy...

as others have said...reading the print...(not even the fine print) matters. thanks R
Whether he knew the rules or not...I just look for a fair and equitable punishment that gets applied to all, not just the basketball stars.

It's odd for the fraud capitol of the world to be so high and mighty.
very interesting!
Interesting to get your perspective on this, Kathy. Without coffee, I wouldn't have lasted one morning there.
@majormojo

"Like I said in FB comments, I didn't see the Honor Code applied with the same enthusiasm to Jim McMahon."

My mom teaches at UVU--formerly UVSC--and from what I understand the administration has become far more conservative, along with the church leadership, over the past thirty years or so. It's worked out well for UVU. They've been able to hire a whole slew of highly qualified academics fired by BYU for teaching material that deviates even slightly from church sanctioned fluff. Then again, I'm sure it didn't hurt Jimmy Mac to be white. I wonder if BYU would've applied the same discipline to Jimmer Fredette.
Wow, what a concept-religious towns. rated