KC Morley

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Writer/Researcher from the Mile High City. Deals with data and spreadsheets and HR related matters by day. Writes fiction by night. Introvert. Dog owner. Avid reader. In love with Colorado. FFA. Admittedly confused about what feminism means, but calls herself a feminist anyway. Thinks blogging is cool. Hates trying to summarize herself.

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JANUARY 6, 2010 2:52PM

Confessions of a Fat Admirer

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Like many, I also saw a blurb on CNN bright and early Monday morning, about BeautifulPeople.com, the site that booted 5,000 members for having gained weight.  Like Kate Harding, I didn’t particularly care.  Why?  Because, as Harding points out, of course a site like that will be discriminatory.  Members accept a discriminatory process when they sign up, so why should they, or anyone else, be outraged when it works against them? 

But I liked Harding’s challenge at the end of her article –  “how about we save our furious blogging energy for challenging those stereotypes?”  Well, this is my way of answering that question.

Not everybody hates fat.  Not everybody thinks it’s gross and unsexy.  Not everybody thinks fat = unattractive.  Not everybody is hung up on finding that perfectly formed cookie-cutter partner.

The fact is, I’m a female fat admirer. 

Yes, I've written about food addiction, and how difficult it is for me to witness.  But just because I recognize unhealthy behaviors doesn't mean I equate fat with unhealthiness, unattractiveness, or undesireability.  

Believe me, I don't.

While my female counterparts are busy swooning over Brad Pitt or George Clooney or those disconcertingly pretty boys from the Twilight movies, you know what caught my eye recently?  Nick Frost mostly naked in Pirate Radio.  (Let's just say I'm looking forward to the movie coming out on DVD.)

So is this adolescent confession the scope of my stereotype-bursting revelation?  Well, yes, but it’s bigger than you realize.  I wish more people like me – people who like bigger bodies – would say so out loud.  That’s the thing about busting up stereotypes – you have to contradict them in order to start making the cracks appear.  And not just once.  You have to keep doing it over and over and over again in order to truly weaken it. 

Let’s get cracking, then. 

The thing that bothers my FFA sensibilities the most is that bigger people are sometimes met with an attitude of ew, that’s gross which I find completely offensive.  Gross?  Why?  I honestly don’t get it.  When did we decide that “ew” was the appropriate reaction?  

What's behind the "ew?"

We could play blame the media on this one, but that game is getting old.  All the media does is hold up a gigantic mirror.  We’re forever holding ourselves up to impossible standards, thinking that we all have to look like Keira Knightley or Brad Pitt or whoever is the hot star of the moment happens to be.  And it translates over – models and actors are told to lose weight to get work.  Studies have shown that there is discrimination from hiring managers when it comes to overweight job candidates.  It’s not just them – it’s all of us.  Our worlds mirror each other.  (It might be a funhouse mirror, but it’s a mirror, damn it!) 

So Nick Frost has a mostly-nude scene in Pirate Radio, and there was some talk about it.  Even Frost himself made a few jokes.  There was also the implied nudity displayed by Faizon Love in the recent comedy Couples Retreat.  That was funny, right?  Those movies, those scenes?  We all laughed.  It was funny. 

Here’s a cruel fact: what Frost and Love have in common is that their performances, nudity and sexual references included, were meant to be comical and were accepted because of this.  Thus their funny, lovable characters escaped the scathing commentary hurled at Philip Seymour Hoffman about two years or so back.  Anyone remember a little gem of a movie from 2007 called Before the Devil Knows You’re Dead?  It wasn’t funny.  It was, in fact, a rather disturbing movie.  It opens with a sex scene between Hoffman and Marisa Tomei, an opening likely meant to catch the viewer off-guard, but well done and not overly salacious.  Hoffman’s performance throughout was as intense and amazing as usual, but when I took to the boards, I found that even as he was praised for his acting, he was lampooned by amateur critics for his larger body type.  Some called the sex scene inappropriate, some wailed that there was too much of Hoffman shown and not enough of Tomei.  One detractor even stated that the movie was unrealistic because a man like Hoffman, even within the realm of fiction, could not possibly have a wife who looks like Maria Tomei. 

We have a serious problem here.  The only way it’s okay to be fat and nude is if it’s done in the context of comedy?  If it’s not done comically, it’s open for ridicule and criticism?  If it's not funny, then it's not realistic?   The ridiculous but unfortunately pervasive belief that big dudes don’t, can’t, or shouldn’t land hot chicks?  Wow...that's really offensive.

I need to speak up about that. 

Now, I’m not an activist in the traditional sense of the word.  You probably won’t see me on a picket line or attending any sort of rally requiring bullhorns and slogans and monetary donations.  I do, however, buy into the notion that being outspoken is a milder form of activism, and one that all of us could and should employ when it comes to issues we care about.  Therefore I encourage anyone who has or has ever had a partner, lover or spouse who is considered fat, overweight, chubby, curvy, or full-bodied to say out loud how attracted you are/were to that person.  If you think an overweight celebrity is hot, tell everyone who will listen.  (Nick Frost!  Pirate Radio!)  Shut people down when they label fat people as gross or make fun of an overweight person.  Harness the power of Google to post a picture of Philip Seymour Hoffman’s very attractive girlfriend on the film chat board to make an ass out of the guy posting comments about how he could hardly do as well in real life.  Question parody –sometimes instead of just laughing blindly, we need to stop and think – why is this funny? What's really going on? 

In fact, let’s just contemplate it now:  what is at the root of the fat people make for good comedy schtick?  They're gross, but they're funny, or are they funny because they're gross or gross because they're funny...?  It makes one's head spin.  Why do we freak out when the fat guy having sex isn’t presented as comedy?  It’s a complicated answer, and I suspcect it’s about fear.  We fear fat.  Why?  I don't know exactly.  All I know is that we fear becoming fat or remaining fat.  BeautifulPeople.com is another manifestation of that fear – it doesn’t bother me because it doesn’t surprise me.  It doesn’t surprise me because it’s so pervasive.  It’s so pervasive because we’re so afraid, so obsessed.  But why?  Where did it begin?  I don't know.

I do know how we can put a curb on it.  We, as  a culture, desperately need to redefine sexy.  We need to smash some of the traditional molds of hot and make it a little more all-inclusive.  We need more tolerance.  We need more acceptance. 

We need more fat admirers. 

I am part of a breed that seems to be associated with sub-culture and fetish.  That’s not completely accurate.  Fetish implies physical objectification, and I like the whole person – the personality, the attitude, the self-confidence, the who behind the what.  FAs and FFAs, we need to speak up!  We need to not be made to feel ashamed about our preferences any more than an “overweight” person should be about their body.  We need to shatter the illusion that we’re all fetishists or feederists or, as one website I read stated, that FAs are largely contained to the gay male community.  We are gay and straight, we are men and women, we are thin and fat, we are all over the place and a lot of us are too afraid to speak up for fear of ridicule.  If fat people are perceived as gross, what does that make us?  Are we gross, too?  Are we misfits and freaks and weirdos?

The answer to that would be a resounding NO!  We're the mold-breakers!  We're the stereotype shatterers!  We should be proud!  We need to overcome our own insecurities and not let thin-seekers tell us what we should be ogling or aspiring to.  We have to stand together!  We have to speak up!  We have to come out! 

 Because what if - just what if - we lived in a world where fat was as sexy as slim?  Where fat appreciation wasn't relegated to silence or fetish? What if the phrase "fat admirer" didn't have to exist as a separate part of desire because it was already a part of our collective unconscious of desirability?  

Okay, so  I’m hardly philosophical or charismatic enough to lead that particular parade.  But I’m going to start by simply making open and loud confessions, and hope that it becomes contagious. 

Hello, OpenSalon.  My name is K.C. Morley.  I like bigger body types.   I will vigorously defend people with bigger body types against personal criticism or unjust commentary.  I will question the merit of the fat parodies and satires, and attempt to correct the language and contexts which I feel are disparaging to fuller-bodied people.  I think big guys are hot.  I will admit proudly that I like looking at women as much as I like to look at the men – I appreciate the female body, and that I feel that fuller bodied women are just breathtakingly fantastic.  I will tell everyone who will listen that my XXL-sized husband is the sexiest man I know and I simply can't get enough of him.  I will proudly admit that my Google image search history contains dozens of pictures of Nick Frost.  And as of today, Philip Seymour Hoffman as well. 

Come to think of it, Hoffman was also in Pirate Radio. 

Damn, I gotta find out when that’s out on DVD. 

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Brava! Love this!
I don't understand why there is so much reluctance for people to appreciate a bigger body. Look at someone like Queen Latifah - OMG beautiful, poised, confident, full of grace and talent...just a gorgeous, sexy woman. It isn't a disease to be big. Quite frankly, those who aspire to be skin and bone are frightfully, weak, ill-looking, and unattractive in my opinion.
I'm 5'4ish", my ideal weight (according to some ridiculously unrealistic chart) is about 125. 125! OMG I'd be a bag of bones. I look and feel my best at a higher number that someone else would say made me fat and I know it. I happen to think I look pretty damn good.
And I happen to find men who are bigger sexy and strong.
I lust after PSH. And I know I'm not the only one. Skinny men do not do it for me. At all.
Good points, but I wonder whether it's even possible by the time someone is an adult to change their opinion of what is sexy? I tend to think that during sexual awakening, ruts get carved into our brain that more or less determine what arouses us thereafter.

So, I'm curious have you always been attracted to big guys? When do you first remember finding big guys sexually attractive and can you associate it with your teenage years by any chance?

I suspect that the type of change that you advocate would require influencing people during their early sexually formative years.

Also, I think you hit the nail on the head when you hypothesized a relationship between people not liking the fat and the universal fear of BEING fat. I suspect, that psychologically, seeing fat people just reminds us of our own fear of becoming fat.

I also find it ironic that Americans, according to different studies/surveys, can be both among the world's fattest AND at the same time the most biased toward fat people - some sort of cultural self-loathing at work.
Good points, but I wonder whether it's even possible by the time someone is an adult to change their opinion of what is sexy? I tend to think that during sexual awakening, ruts get carved into our brain that more or less determine what arouses us thereafter.

So, I'm curious have you always been attracted to big guys? When do you first remember finding big guys sexually attractive and can you associate it with your teenage years by any chance?

I suspect that the type of change that you advocate would require influencing people during their early sexually formative years.

Also, I think you hit the nail on the head when you hypothesized a relationship between people not liking the fat and the universal fear of BEING fat. I suspect, that psychologically, seeing fat people just reminds us of our own fear of becoming fat.

I also find it ironic that Americans, according to different studies/surveys, can be both among the world's fattest AND at the same time the most biased toward fat people - some sort of cultural self-loathing at work.
You're totally charismatic enough to lead the charge! I'm standing up, applauding, and forwarding this on every site I can. Well done, well-written, well-said! In fact, I'm ashamed of myself and I have to go re-work a post I was working on where I make fun of myself for having a few extra pounds. I was totally unconscious of what I was doing. Feel free to call me on it if I don't get it right.
A few responses to various noters:
@WalkAwayHappy - Aside from loving your username, Queen Latifah - OMG totally agree with you! I'm rather short, too, 5'1" and they tell me 110 is ideal. I'd say I'm ideal around 125.
- @GregorMendel - PSH is so on my radar lately. And an amazing actor to boot! :-)
- @fins2theleft - College is when I figured it all out, lots of experimentation. I went to a religiously-affiliated high school and have rather conservative parents, so very repressed teenage years. But I agree, this is probably something that happens earlier rather than later. However, if we could even just get adults to stop and think why they have such an adverse reaction, and to change their attitudes, maybe it will trickle down slowly.
-@Jane Gideon - okay, so I gained 8 lbs over the holidays, and when I realized it, my knee-jerk reaction was "OMG this is horrible!" This whole weight=bad equation is so deeply ingrained that we automatically freak out about any little fluctuation.
Hip Hip Hooray!

I completely concur.

Welcome!
EXCELLENT POST (and equally excellent pick by the editor). I've said it before and I'll say it again. If we had all born blind, imagine who we *might* have fallen in love with. I don't have a specific "type" of man I'm attracted to. The first thing he has to do to get my attention is be a kind and decent human being. With a sense of humor and good hygiene. AFter that, it's the wild west.
YEA!!!!! I'm a fat girl, a voluptuous vixen, and lusciously large lass. :) Blessedly, the second husband loves a woman with more heft and blessedly he's not super skinny like the first one was. There are many around which is a good thing. I wish there were more confident role-models for the plus sized amongst us...men and women. KUDOS! I also don't consider someone who can snap like a twig beneath me sexy. Thanks for the post!
Have you seen State and Main? That's where I first saw Hoffman.

You have raised my spirits considerably with this post. I have ALWAYS had a weight problem, and I worry about it constantly. I ducked a two person elementary school reunion today because of it, at least in part. I worry about finding work because of it. This country is NASTY to larger people. Making peace with my sexuality was much, much easier than making peace with fatness has turned out to be.
I was born in 1945. We didn't get a TV until I was 14. My mother never read women's magazines. I wore uniforms to school. We couldn't afford to go to the movies more than a few times a year. I realize how blessed I was to grow up almost totally free of media standards of beauty. All I had to worry about was trying to curl my hair and which lunch counter had the best hot fudge sundaes. And now women are so much better off? What they gained in economic and educational opportunities, they seem to have lost in impossible physical beauty standards.

It feels as if we have embraced 21st century foot binding. And we do it to ourselves. I always wonder what happens if an average sized male makes love to a anorexic model? Does he break her bones?
Another point I'll make is that it is true to a certain extent, as you say, that all the media does is hold up a gigantic mirror to us ... HOWEVER, I'll suggest that it's a funhouse mirror of sorts. Instead of simply reflecting our collective character back to us.

We like trim people, but what we see in the media are super-fit or petite people. We like attractive people, but the media feeds us unnatural beauty attained by plastic surgery, lots-o-makeup and special effects like airbrushing.

They take whatever we seem to be clamoring for and make it even more-so. And this creates an impediment to change by exerting an artificial pressure on the barometer of our collective desires, so to speak.
When I was in my early 20s we worried about our political integrity--did we practice what we believed. None of my friends were on a diet, and the idea of a gym would have seemed ludicrous. We loved to dance.
Great post! I try to teach my children that what is attractive has so little to do with the physical attributes of a person. Sexy comes from within--there are plenty of thin people who have no sex appeal and plenty of overweight people who have tons of it. And it's always a personal thing--no one should set the standard for someone else. Our country has an obsession with being thin and it seems to get worse each year!
Wow! I wish there were more similarly-minded people like you around. Then maybe I could stop beating myself up every day for failing on my diet.
Yes! You nailed it. Amen! When men in movies sing and dance about women in the movies, they caress the hourglass of their perfect woman, not the pencil.
PS- Nick Frost makes my toes curl,too.
I think that there are a lot more fat admirers than the world will allow at this time...they just don't want to come out of the closet.
I usually chime in on these threads... good to see such a positive response this time! Usually here on Salon the bashers outnumber the admirers and I always opine that that's ironic since Salon is a 'sister publication' to DIMENSIONS the main Fat Admirer magazine, also Bay Area-based and which went online right when Salon did... looks like Fat Admiration is finally mainstreaming after forty-odd years...
Jon Favreau is a God. And so is my dear husband, a U.S. Navy Sailor, owner of a fabulous barrel chest.
Saying that we all need to be slender and fit is a little like saying that we all should be blonde-haired and blue-eyed.
I'm with you. All of my wives have been BBW. Skinny women have never done it for me. I dated one for a while. That's one and for a while, not two.

I owned some restaurants in CA. The mall owner came in one day and wanted a space filled before the Christmas season. I, at the time, was having lunch with the manager of the Lane Bryant across the hall from my restaurant. We hatched the idea of a Fredrick's of Hollywood style store that started at size large and went up. We also put it on the internet in 1994.

Michelle later bought out my half and today makes a living on the internet site. I want to ask you all to visit www.lingerieatlarge.com and tell Michelle Harold said hi.
Brilliant writing.

I have been satisfied with my weight only a few times in my life, and only for about five minutes per time. I think the thing is to try to strive for health, not what the media tells us is perfection.

BTW: When I see a man with a tummy I want to hug him. I wouldn't know what to do with a six pack.
Fat has been considered beautiful and sexy for far longer periods of time than thin has. In the Caliphate of Cairo, for instance, harem women were plied with heavy cream and butter, and lived literally on pillows lest one ounce of their tonnage might metabolized off. Fat, fat, fat, was considered the height of wealth. Sultans ran porn films in their minds about falling into a living flesh pillows and folds; it must have taken them hours to find the hooha. They might be pardoned for not getting to the G spot.

So now we worship thin. Quite frankly, it's sexier feeling to BE thin. Your body moves easier, your nerve endings are in high-def. But some people are OK with limited flexibility in bed. That's cool I guess.

Some people can't get thin. It's not their physical type. "Big boned" is usually the term. Fine. There are good-looking big boners—here and there.

We've all heard about "chubby chasers." Whatever.

But to me fat is NEVER funny. I do not laugh at it—even though several ancient cultures symbolize humor with a fat diety: Hoti in China, and Ganesh in India. I think they might be onto something archetypal there. But I don't get the joke. I don't laugh at the movies you mention. I'm sorry that some people will never be able to experience slimness. I'm sorry it's so much G.D. work to maintain it. But it's worth it. It's very, very, worth it.
Were you inspired by this magazine layout? Lots and lots of big women. Nearly naked.
http://www.vmagazine.com/article.php?n=14446
OMG -- page 7! -- should be the new standard.

>Were you inspired by this magazine layout? Lots and lots of big women. Nearly naked.
http://www.vmagazine.com/article.php?n=14446
@ Joy Mars--I wonder if the stereotype of funny fat people derives from the fact that fatter people have more estrogen, the feel good hormone, aren't grumpy because they are underfed (see Kate Harding's piece w/r/t the starvation study where the male participants seriously began to degrade on 1800 calories a day. 1800!), and have historically been the privileged who could afford to be fat or were blessed enough to find plenty o food. It is only since the 20th century that thin equated to rich, after all!
I've always thought John Goodman is really sexy. And I like voluptuous women too. :-)

Maybe one day all women and men will be acknowledged as "real women" and "real men". Whether you're thin, fat or inbetween doesn't make you any more or less of a human being.

Great post! Rated.
I'm a woman who likes them fat and blonde and isn't shy about saying so, but let's face it, chubby chasers have more in common with Asian fetishists than social activists. Liking a certain body type/part is object worship, and it can be destructive to the object and it's admirer. I'm not saying that these specific attractions are bad, but I don't celebrate it.
This seems to be a girls' topic, but let me say that as a gay man I find overweight guys sexy. There are a lot of other qualities I look for, bu one of my best romances was with a 300 lb guy. Still miss him!
As my late father said to me in the Twiggy-mad 60s, a tough decade for an American teenager who was destined to be Sophia-sized (God bless you, Sophia, may you live to be 100, and you will still be magnificent!): "Honey, you were born too late. The 50s were your time." Terrific post, and welcome. Thanks for the appreciation of our Rochester homeboy, Phillip Seymour Hoffman. We love him and he's hot, no question.
Hello, K.C. Morley. My name is Cranky Cuss and I'm an XL-sized guy with an XL-sized wife and I couldn't care less about our sizes. I've realized that I'm never going to get down to my "suggested" weight unless I starve myself, and that's not happening. I've also realized that guilt about your size ends up leading you to particularly dangerous behavior - yo-yo diets, binge eating - so I've learned to live happily with my size.
The history of the "ew" reaction to heavy people is older than most think. In the U.S., it goes back to the 1920s, which was the first time that average Americans had a fair amount of affluence, including plenty of FOOD. You'd think that the result would be a zeitgeist of "Big is beautiful", but, no! Americans are too full of subconscious Puritanical guilt to be fall innocently for such things. So, as has happened so many times in our cultural history, the old mental/spiritual tug-of-war between pleasure and guilt reared its ugly head. One result: the former model of the beautiful woman as voluptuously well-endowed head-to-toe was replaced by the stick-figure Flapper girl, including fashions to accentuate their non-curvaceous physiques. This new stereotype of beauty/sexiness continued well into the 1930s -- despite such notable exceptions as Mae West. And, of course, it has been resurgent many times since, up to the present.
I've always had more of a Marilyn Monroeish figure. At heavier times (I have lupus and meds can make me put on weight) I looked like Mae West. For me, the biggest issue was, at my thinnest (5'7" and a size 6), I would have men who looked as though they were carrying Shamoo's love child tell me how cute I would look if I just dropped the "extra" weight.

I was starving at that time.

The truth is, I have men flirt with me regardless of what size I am. They just tend to be different types of men. Usually, the meanest things I've heard are from other women who seem to think that it isn't OK to be happy and heavier at the same time.

I've come to two conclusions: 1. Those who are the most self conscious about their weight are those who have absolutely nothing else to offer in a relationship and have starved themselves into stupidity. 2. When I feel pretty, I just seem to look pretty. I'm saying these things as a gorgeous and youthful 38 year old.

I also aesthetically prefer men with a huskier build - regardless of what size I am.

What a fantastic post.
It goes both ways, I'm sure. But I'm here to say that I'm very pleased that milady is just right at a size a fair lot larger than many I've dated (and married) in the past. And she's a bright, spiritual, beautiful, sexy lover as well. Soft and warm and lusty warms my heart and my loins.
My ex-husband like women who are anorexic, literally. He always said he thought that the correct weight for a woman was the lowest weight she could carry without losing her health. What he meant was she should starve herself until she lost her health and then put one ONE POUND. At the time I was about a size 12, which, as far as he was concerned, was sign of a moral failure.

My present boyfriend likes women who are well-padded. He thinks I should put on weight. I'm not going to consider attempting to do that, but it's nice to know I won't get nagged or turned in for another model if I put on a few pounds over the holidays.
I'm also a bi FFA.
I don't particularly mind that my view on beauty isn't mainstream, but I am a little jealous that my friends have so many movies with half naked skinny boys while I find it hard to find anything with husky men!

I heard Brad Pitt put on some weight. I'd kill to see him in a movie with the added pounds. That man could be so sexy if he was just comfortable and ate whatever he wanted. It's funny to say he has the potential to be gorgeous - if only he wouldn't diet back down.