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SEPTEMBER 23, 2008 11:15AM

UPDATE Review of the The View and Bill Clinton

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UPDATE - Letterman

 

I just watched Bill Clinton repeat the same type of performance as described below for The View on the David Letterman show and something clicked:

 

These appearances are not intended to be overt "Vote for Obama" ocassions.  Instead, we see Bill Clinton laying out the case for the entire Democratic party.  He repeatedly hammers on the "right" way to fix the economy by insuring Main Street is in on the fix.  Create jobs in a "real" economy (not one based on investing money in money, but by investing in industry, especially green job growth).    Ensure that people in bad mortgages get a chance to make mortgage payments and stay in their homes.  Reminders of the accomplishments of the last Democratic administration in economic matters. He mentions over and over how difficult life is financially for 2/3 of the America people having trouble paying bills.  He drives home the point about the terrible economy and lets viewers make their own associations as to which candidate should be elected to fix it.  He also promises great hope that the mess can be corrected if it is done "right".

 

I believe there is a deliberate strategy of moderation in play here - Bill Clinton is not out there as a cheerleader for Obama - but as a speaker to the moderates and independents who can yet be swayed to think it through and vote Democratic as the best chance for solving the country's problems.  The message is subtle; just hearing Clinton talk about the economy, and offer hope that all can be well again,  is a powerful image.  More importantly,  there is no off-putting, sledge-hammer approach (that cynics might find false anyway) of "Vote for Obama ... or else".  There is little negativity about the other side. (He blew Sarah Palin off without having to use a disparaging word.)

 

He literally asked voters to really think about the issues at stake in this election, and said he believes when it comes down to the actual voting botth moment, they will decide that no matter who they "like", they will vote for Obama as the right candidate.

 

It's an effective appeal to moderates and independents, which was clearer in the Letterman appearance and may work well.

 

The View

 

There’s not a lot to say about Bill Clinton’s appearance on The View today, except to report what he said.  There were no fireworks, but I didn’t really expect any.  Unless they were going to go back to the some of the nastiness of the primaries, there aren’t many controversial questions to ask him today.  I believe they did the right thing by letting the past go and concentrating on the current issues. 

 

The questions seemed well-planned; the ladies were quite subdued.  Bill seemed slightly uncomfortable at first, - I don’t think he knew what to expect - but as he warmed to the topics he became more relaxed. He certainly wasn’t pouring on the “charm” heavily today, and while his use of humor was limited, he was, as usual, very good with a few self-deprecating lines.

 

The one thing this interview was NOT, was a political appearance for Barack Obama by Bill Clinton.  The questions just didn’t go there, or even when they might have tip-toed up to it, Bill skillfully deflected any attempts to get him to disparage the Republican candidates and provided very non-partisan, well-balanced answers that couldn’t be taken as anything other than a thoughtful man’s response to a complicated issue. 

 

One headliner that I was pleased to hear was that Hillary didn’t really want the Vice Presidency, although she’d have accepted if asked, out of duty.  He said that she loves being a Senator from New York and has more “freedom” to develop her policies there.

 

Another political question of interest asked him if his administration and policies played a part in setting up the current economic crisis.  He stated that he has been looking back and evaluating that very question; and while perhaps he wished he’d gotten more of the regulatory legislation he’d proposed, in the end, he felt his administration was not to blame for the mess.  His distillation of the last 7 years of acting like acting like “a drunken sailor” in the investment world – “we made too much money from money”, as Barbara nodded emphatically in agreement.  He had a lot more to say on the topic and the bail-out plans, but time was limited. 

 

His answer to Elizabeth’s question of whether women who supported Hillary were voting for McCain because of his addition of Plain to the ticket was eloquent and convincing.  Bill’s bottom line was that the reasons people vote as they do are complex and changeable, and should not be judged. (Although admittedly, I can’t bring myself to be so generous with McCain-Palin voters.)

 

As to Palin’s experience, he did answer that at the time he ran for President, he was the longest-serving Governor in the country. 

 

He was very gracious to John McCain, stating that he could not have normalized relations with Viet Nam without McCain’s support.

 

Bill stated several times that he is “out of politics” and thoroughly consumed and extremely happy with his Global Initiative project and his foundation projects.  he would have been happy to not "darken the doorstep" of the White House if Hillary had been there (in either capacity).  He is working on supplying HIV/AIDs and malaria medications to poor countries; economic development in under-served, underprivileged areas of this country and others; and childhood obesity in this country to briefly summarize a few.  The Global Initiative project brings world leaders together with private citizens, philanthropists, community outreach groups, etc., to forge alliances to solve problems.  He is very animated and clearly committed to these causes when he speaks about them.

 

In the end, he does believe Obama will win.  And he likes Obama (although he likes John McCain too).

 

I always enjoy listening to Bill Clinton speak, especially contemporaneously.  No politician (except maybe Hillary), does it better.  You can see how fast the wheels are spinning in his brain as he formulates his answers on the fly.  His ferocious intelligence and thorough grasp of issues shines through.  His genuine care and concern for people is apparent. 

 

I was left, as always, wishing we could just elect Bill Clinton again.

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good post, Kelly. thanks for capturing it for us.

I must say, it sounds like a bit of a sell-out to me. He either needs to stump for Obama or go the hell back underground.

Sorry, I was a Bill Clinton fan when he was President. But he doesn't get the luxury of just providing a thoughtful man’s response to a complicated issue on national TV with less than 60 days left before the election.

Make no mistake - the GOP will run with his non-endorsement, non-enthusiasm for the Democratic Party's nominee for President.
Thanks lps for the comment.

I thought it was more a matter of not being asked questions directly pertaining to the election, than him not endorsing. I think he could have slanted his answers more directly into a "campaigning" mode than he did. Most answers were just - balanced - I guess. He did allude to "getting in trouble" for some things he said on the campaign trail, so maybe his circumspection was warranted (?)

But he wasn't asked, nor did he respond to any questions in a direct "Barack Obama can ...." or "Barack Obama will....", except for Barack Obama will win the election.
Kelly, I wasn't able to see this so I appreciate your review. I am disheartened by what appears to be Bill Clinton's reluctance to be bold and clear about the need for Obama to win. And I'm sorry, but it does cross my mind that he may be hoping for a McCain win so his wife can run again in 4 years. I hope I'm being too much of a cynic. I saw his former Democratic strategist emphasizing the Bill Clinton would be very forthright and clear about his endorsement of Obama. Unfortunately, this doesn't sound like it.
The Clinton administration will, eventually, be remembered as a golden age of good government. Good government is in very short supply these days. Having thought long and hard, I believe his administration was brought down not by Bill Clinton, but by a concerted, orchestrated effort by a (still) growing right-wing conspiracy, that eventually hijacked the federal governments.

Thanks for the report!
Bill CLinton is a smart man and he knows exactly what he is doing. He is damning Obama with his reasonableness and on the one hand on other hand talks. Obama does NOT have a friend in the Clintons and neither does the country as he would be happy to see McCain win so his wife can win later which means they are NOT about the country if he too is willing to see a Palin Vice President. Does anyone in the political class care about country first? How can we so cynically have come to this.
The biggest tragedy isn't that Bill Clinton can't serve a third term. The biggest tragedy is how few Presidents have been as great as he was.
No, I do not want Bill Clinton as President again. While he is very good at BS, it was devastating to watch him on the View. It is worse for him to pretend to be a supporter of Barack Obama and then show up to say John McCain would also make an excellent president and how much he personally likes McCain. He is doing for Barack Obama what he did for Hillary - working against a win at all costs.

I loved Hillary going into all this. She should have listened to her own instincts and not Bill's. I strongly suspect Bill deliberately sabotaged Hillary to keep her from stealing his thunder. Hillary may well become the Ted Kennedy of her generation and redeem herself after divorcing this biggest of all jerks. She deserves so much better than Bill and she should go get real love while there is still time.

Obama is ten times the man Bill Clinton is, and he will bring something to the White House Bill never could - disciplined and responsible rule. I do not see Obama having an intern giving him a blow job under the desk in the Oval Office while talking to Putin on the phone. I want a Democrat in the White House - but never ever again Bill Clinton!
Thanks for the comments. As I wrote in my update, after seeing his second appearance of the day there may be a deliberate strategy at play.

mary - I fully understand your cynicism. I thought for a moment his statement about Hillary not really wanting the VP slot might be a white lie spoked to assuage women (like me) who wanted her there. Bill hasn't always been the most trustworthy man, but I don't think he would ever want the repbulican to win this one.

Rich - When you look back at all the investigations heaped upon his administration, most of a personal nature, it is not hard to believe in that conspiracy. Is it a matter of taking the "high road' that keeps the Democratic congress from investigating the REAL crimes of the Bush administration?????

Pondi- Please see my updated take on Bill's appearances and let me know if that makes any sense.

Rance - You're right, extemporaneously would have been a better fit.

mark - Good point, but I'd still feel more comfortable about this whole mess putting Bill back in charge!

Grant - It remains to be seen what kind of "man" Obama is. I'd rather have a great President with Clinton-like accomplishments and sensibilities than a great Man who is an ineffective president.
Interesting post. As an original Obama supporter, it's hard not to find fault with Clinton's less-than-enthusiastic endorsement of Obama, and yet...What do we expect from human nature? Politics is an intense game for power. I honestly don't know how someone is supposed to go full out for a prior opponent, especially when that guy's loss may result in your own gain somehow. The Clintons are too smart not to be thinking about all the personal fallout from a win or loss by Obama. They are playing it safe, as it were, for their own interests. Mary, I don't think you're being overly cynical. I think you just know way too much about human nature. This is a game that's been played for centuries. I don't think the Clintons are terribly unique. And I'm not sure some of the same halfhearted endorsements of McCain aren't going on on the other side. For all the media interest in this election, and for all the increased voter turnout, there's a bit of the sense of remove occurring among many millions. (Salon editors, for example, strike me as sitting this one out. There's not the passion for the win the way it would be if the nominee were their choice, Hillary. And I notice that pro-Obama pieces--take as an example something like my last post that would resurrect the issue of the Iraq War, Obama's strong point and the source of the left's rage, or even, come to think of it, this one about my phone calling for Obama in Ohio--tend not to make the cover while Palin and Clinton pieces do. I say this without resentment. I'm sort of resigned to it.) (You know what? I forgot how to make the hyperlink show up here, so you'll just have to click on my name and look at my posts about Phil Donahue and Undecided in Ohio if you're interested.)
Thanks lainey - I am an unabashed Clinton supporter (both Hill and Bill) and I don't think that's hidden in my posts :-)

I know I have read your posts, but I'll go back and look again. I am certainly going to vote for Obama, and I send him money, but I admit I cannot enthusiastically speak out in strong support of him.

I can however, speak forcefully on behalf of the Democratic party. I honestly do not believe either Clinton wants to see Obama fail, but I can't prove it either!
Kelly,
Kudos! I agree with you on many points in this post. But, I didn't/don't want HRC in the VP slot...just as well since Obama didn't vet her.

I watched President Clinton on The View (it's posted all over Youtube for those who have not seen it). I was very impressed with his charitable remarks on why Americans vote as they do. We're all walking many miles in different moccasins and should consider this fact before finding fault with other voters who don't agree with our point of view. We can learn from our differences. A wise professor of education told me many years ago to listen to the voices on the edges of issues, the dissenters, if I wanted to find the truth...ignore the mainstream for they will always agree with you...my life experiences have proved this to be so. I'm listening without condemning or disrespecting.

I also found and read the article Clinton mentioned by Dr. Long. Her website is http://www.lynettelong.com/ . I found her comments insightful as well as informing. I was disappointed to read of the brushoff she received from the Obama campaign reps regarding regarding gender equity.

I don't think Senator Obama has done anything so far that earns him the status of being a "great man"--and as you aptly state in your additional comments, we don't know what kind of man he really is. The fact that Bill Ayers is his education mentor is more than a little scary to me as an educator. And, the Obama statement that Ayers is "just a guy that lives in my neighborhood" is more than a little disingenuous. And, yes, I know Clinton lied to us, too, but he lied about sex. Everyone lies about sex, don't they? No matter, it isn't helping me in this election cycle.

Thank you, Kelly, I enjoyed reading your post and like many others, if Bill were in the running, I'd vote for him on Nov 4.
Personally, while I was glad to hear what he had to say, I was really glad when Chris Rock came out and gave him a hilariously hard and funny calling out. I mean really, it's time to back Obama and he was a real shithead for failiing to do so enthusiastically. It kinda makes me want to find a different smart guy to listen to. Oh yeah, I did, his name is Barack Obama.
Thanks for the comment HD, what can I say except that i also agree with many of your points in your response? Can't quite be sure which side you'll take in the booth but that's fine too.

Susanne, I didn't go on to watch Chris Rock so I did go back and watch him too. Funny, as always. While I agree that Obama appears to be quite intelligent, he just doesn't show it so well outside of his scripted speeches yet.
I think, Kelly, that your thoughts on the strategy could definitely be hitting on something. Any appearance of Bill Clinton that recalls to voters how much better it was when a Democrat was in the White House is good for Obama.

Small town America is very wary of Barack -- it may be his professorial way of speaking, it may be his mixed ethnicity, it may be the sheer fact that he is different from any candidate in recent memory -- the same things that endear me (and so many of my liberal friends and colleagues) to him, are making some people not trust him. If Bill Clinton were to go full bore attacking McCain, then the undecided voters would likely just tune him out. I agree that Bill Clinton is trying the subtle approach.

I have been a passionate supporter of Obama since the primaries, and was very disturbed by some of Hillary's tactics. But for goodness' sake, Hillary is out there blatantly stumping for Obama -- and he needs her to do that! So can we lay off the Clinton conspiranoiac theories for awhile? I mean, they're damned if they do and they're damned if they don't.

Obama can learn a lot from Clinton's '92 campaign, and from the way Hillary engaged white, working class voters during the primary. If there is any lesson of the last two presidential races, it's that we haven't embraced Bill Clinton enough!
For the record, Kelly, I have always liked Bill Clinton a lot--on a visceral level--and admired Hillary. I take sort of an anthropologist's view at this point--admiring the intelligence and skill of all the players. And I was genuinely surprised and pleased at the performance of both Clintons at the DNC. I can't honestly comment on Bill's appearance on The View since I didn't see it, but I'm taking your word that he was more pro-Dem than pro-Obama. I like your take that it will appeal to independents. If it also matches his emotions (that is, if he is still harboring some kind of grudge for Obama), then all the more reason he should stick to what he can truthfully and persuasively argue for.
It is so easy to criticize public figures, so hard to be perfect. I actually admire truly good politicians...I don't for a minute think it's an easy job. The Clintons are human and so is Obama. I am a Clinton fan. Bill was a great president. Give the guy a break...Obama trashed his record while campaigning and, for that matter, made more than a few digs at people my age. I'm not a fan of his, I don't know what he's about. He speaks well. He's bright. I'll vote for him. But until he actually does something worthy of note, he's just another politician.
Paul Slansky writes "A Note to Bill Clinton" at Huffington Post:

Given that we would never have had the odious George W. Bush in the White House in the first place if it wasn't for your blow jobs, Bill, it seems obvious that you owe it to the people of this country, and especially to the parents whose kids died in the Iraq War that Gore would never have started, and to all the parents whose kids would be killed in the WarFest that would be a McCain/Palin -- sorry, Palin/McCain administration -- to do everything in your power to get Barack Obama elected.

But that's not what you're doing, Bill, and it's not going unnoticed. We see your rage, Bill, it's too huge to hide. We see that -- as Chris Rock so brilliantly pointed out -- it pains you to even speak Obama's name. We see you petulantly rooting against him even as you go through the motions of doing the barest minimum on his behalf to avoid being blamed if he loses.

You're not fooling anyone, Bill. You've gotten so caught up in yesterday that you've stopped thinking about tomorrow. You have the power to influence millions of voters and you're spitefully sitting on it. Surely you've noticed what's going on in the country. Surely you're aware of what's at stake on November 4th. This is not a game that you can afford to take your ball and go home with if you don't get to play the position you want. An Obama loss will most certainly be part of your legacy.

There's still time to fix it. How about this for an October surprise? Bill Clinton gets on the road and spends every day until the election sincerely and wholeheartedly communicating the urgency of electing Obama. You're the greatest politician of your generation, Bill. Surely you can fake enthusiasm for a month.

Oh, and stop talking about how much you like Senator McCain. Have you forgotten the vile joke he told a decade ago at your wife's and daughter's expense? Let me remind you: "Do you know why Chelsea Clinton is so ugly? She's the child of Janet Reno and Hillary Clinton." Are you saying, Bill, that you can forgive McCain for calling Chelsea "ugly" but you can't forgive Obama for defeating Hillary?

If Obama loses a close election -- one in which even one state where you could have made a difference goes for McCain because you sat home and pouted -- it will be on you. We will remember that you couldn't be bothered to rise above your petty resentments for something as trivial as saving your country from the enemies of everything you profess to believe in. We forgave you for Monica, Bill, but we won't forgive you for this.
Thank you reader99 I wish I'd recgonized it when I watched The View, but that was such a "conversation" style interview it went unnoticed. on letterman though, he didn't go for a single laugh. he was all business and that's when it jumped out at me - I was even thinking he was going for voters in a "free-association" manner. Bill Clinton = good times = vote democratic. And I couldn't agree more with this line from you "If there is any lesson of the last two presidential races, it's that we haven't embraced Bill Clinton enough! "

lainey - So noted. Thanks for coming back.

Addie: Wow, we were creamed for our age by Obamaniacs during the primaries. Thanks for the response, of course I agree.
Thanks Susanne - I guess we all have our opinions and that's why I love OS. The Slansky guy's take on things is no more or less valid than mine. HuffPo has been vehemently anti-Clinton for a long time now, so he gets to post his there, and I get to post mine here. Although I will note that some of my anti-Obama comments were censored by the HuffPo moderators during the primaries, which makes this place much better.

For the record, Bill Clinton did not show one iota of "rage" in either interview. If you need to, watch them for yourself and do not take Slansky's word or my word about that.

"If Obama loses a close election -- one in which even one state where you could have made a difference goes for McCain because you sat home and pouted -- it will be on you. "

OK, at that I must Laugh Out Loud. Obamaniacs are going to blame the Clintons if their Messiah loses no matter what. Does this mean Obama can't win without Bill Clinton???? How ridiculous is that?

Bill Clinton IS sincerely advocating for a democratic president in this election. Hammering undecideds, moderates, and independents over the head as Slansky advocates is not a winning strategy. Putting Bill Clinton out there to calmly and rationally explain the issues; remind voters of past democratic (HIS) successes; ignite their longing for the good old days of everybody getting ahead; and advocate for a Democratic victory might be. Asking him to falsely proclaim the next coming will be seen for the sham it is. Just as I cannot advocate directly for Obama, I am more than willing to go to the mat for a Democratic President.

God, Obamanaics are so damn self-righteous, and their shrill hollering like this against a beloved and respected Democratic President isn't going to sway a single vote that is needed now.
P.S. Slansky did a GREAT jon of reminding me why I was soo damn pissed off during the primaries about the attitude of Obama supporters.

GREAT JOB PAUL.

I'd post it to his blog but those people post and run and never answer to their readers.
Well Kelly, I respectfully disagree. I always thought Bill Clinton was ethically challenged in the integrity department, and his shortcomings and ego are legendary. You can argue all you want for his being right, he still has a lot of influence and he could more heartily use it, when he has the clear opportunity. And he clearly doesn't. For that reason, I still think he is awfully short on admirable qualities. Being good at politics isn't enough. Being mart isn't enough. Doing the right thing when it is right in front of you, that would go a long way toward restoring the respect I had for him when I voted for him.
I think some people are missing the point that actively backing Obama on a tv show may not be the best idea. Bill Clinton carries a lot of baggage that the opposition could use in a campaign ad and undo all the good work the Clinton just did. Clinton did what is called 'damning with faint praise'. First you praise him and then put in all the reasons why you would not vote for him. The old tradition of saying 'my honorable opponent' has fallen by the wayside for so many, but not Clinton. Just as Hillary has worked with both sides of the aisle while in the Senate.
Thanl you demigodess - That is what I have been trying to say but you put it much more rationally :-)
Wow, Kelly, this was a great post. There is certainly a lot of heat about all of the candidates out there. I just talked to a woman at work (church) who said she still likes Bill and would elect him again. That being said, she was SO ANGRY when the infideltiy stuff came out, and that just played into the hands of the angry right-wing who thought he was Satan! So the problem with Bill is that he elicits (like Hillary) both strong admiration (he is so intelligent) and strong hatred from some people.

I think Obama is headed in the same direction. I think he wants to be a unifier, but I don't see that happening with either Obama or McCain right now.