What Can You Do On LSD? (Dock Ellis Pitched A No-Hitter)
Here is a great story from a time that seems more innocent, more dangerous, and more fun. It's all about Dock Ellis, a fine pitcher for the Pittsburgh Pirates (mostly), who claims he threw a no-hitter under the influence of LSD.
Here are my questions to any and all who've dropped acid:
1. Is it a plausible story? Could Dock Ellis pitch a major league baseball game at all, let alone throw a no-hitter, under the influence of LSD?
2. Have you ever had a flashback?
3. Do you think you've ever really gotten over the acid, or did it affect you permanently in some way?
Just curious.
Oh, and whether you ever tripped or not, enjoy the video. It's a great story.


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The doctor froze, but there was nothing to worry about. The agent thought Grant was just being his usual silly self, and carried on a conversation with him, Grant nodding and responding like a six year-old the whole time. With the matter settled, the agent said goodbye, and Grant waved to him and blew him a rasberry. It wasn't until years later that he found out the truth. But to the day he died, Grant claimed that acid had helped him 'break through' many psychological barriers from his childhood, and improved him as an actor. Toy trains and all.
Never had a flashback, but I only did it a couple of times, and I doubt it has had any lasting effect. But I know some people who did a lot and are no longer functional, so like anything in excess it can be detrimental to your mental and physical health
No flashbacks for me, thanks!
The story is plausible, especially if Ellis had dropped many hours before gametime and attenuated the LSD's effects with benzedrine.
Not sure what a Flashback is but I've had many, many things remind me in a completely straight condition of thoughts, feelings, sights and sounds I experienced while on acid.
The aftereffects of taking LSD are different for everyone -- not sure 'getting over it' is a helpful way of thinking about them -- but I can say for certain you're never quite the same after dropping acid.
Then again, you're never quite the same no matter what you do.
"The psychedelic experience is the birthright of every being on the planet" -- T. McKenna
The road to Eleusís. Body surfing on acid = omfg
Rated
That said, if someone here has actually had one, I'd love to hear it.
2. One flashback. Pleasant, like a little free sample.
3. Attitude changes? Yes.
I had a blast, laughing so hard all night long, good friends, good fun, never a bad trip. I shot excellent pool too, because I could see the vectors with my own two eyes.
I ended up in a strip club on the Quarter watching a huge, fat black snake work the pole.
I have no doubt that no-hitter could have been pitched while under the influence. And, in fact, because of the influence.
I've never had a flashback. I've always thought that the existence flashbacks was fear-mongering, despite the anecdotal evidence of a couple of the comments here.
I think that a huge spiritual/philosophical shift is possible as a result of ingesting unadulterated d-lysergic acid diethylamide.
But consider the source.
PCP and ketamine do- but that's an entirely different group of chemicals.
And THC does not accumulate in fat cells in an active state- it's stored as an inactive metabolite with a half-life of perhaps 7-10 days.
I hope you didn't get your misinformation from the DARE program.
As long as there's a Zero Tolerance War On Some Drugs, science is bound to get politicized from time to time. Leaving skeptical people caught between Official Misinformation and Street Folklore. It's a toss-up as to which is more inaccurate.
And Dock Ellis did not plan to go to the mound high on acid. He thought he had the day off, and got the call on very short notice. He had actually ingested on the previous night, so he had ridden out the most intense effects.
He was probably in that "more normal than normal" state, where...further, affiant sayeth not.
http://open.salon.com/blog/mjwycha/2009/06/29/the_day_dock_ellis_threw_a_no-hitter_on_lsd
2)Flashback... nope
3)"gotten over the acid"? Huh? Well, yes, although I've bben thinking I need to trip again. It's like doing a mental mind flush. Afterwards you start fresh with a whole new and beautiful perspective. Get ya some!
A couple of follow-up comments:
1. Not lots of flashback experiences, apparently. Sometimes, I feel cheated.
2. Everyone seems to think the story is plausible, but some have pointed out that Dock was "coming down." In the video, however, it seems as if he took more acid.
3. My question about "getting over" acid was perhaps written too quickly. I would say I feel as if I am a substantially different person because of the LSD experiences I had. I don't think I'd say that about alcohol or pot; I think I'd probably more or less the same guy having done them or not. But acid feels like a game changer.
"This is the west, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend."
:-)
Ever had a flashback? No.
Have I "gotten over it"? Can't say. Does one ever "get over a profound, life-changing experience?
One night while tripping, I dropped into the local pool hall. At that time I played a game called golf, in which opponents each have one object ball, and must make the six pockets in sequence. I found someone to play with me, and it was like I could see dotted lines on the table, indicating exactly where the object ball and the cue ball would go. Needless to say, I won easily. I made three-rail banks to each of the side pockets. Unfortunately, the other guy would only play for 50 cents a game.
I'm surprised at how many "Merry Pranksters" there are on OS.
I've never had a flashback and aside from some fun and interesting memories, it had no permanent affects that I'm aware of.
I know Bill, have interviewed him extensively, have exchanged Christmas cards with him, have eaten at Dairy Queen with him, and have sold a screenplay based on his life. He's never mentioned pitching on acid to me, and never even mentioned dropping it, although it's a safe bet that he has. (Maybe he's written about it somewhere and I haven't read it?) Outside of that, anything he says needs to be taken with about a pound of salt. Pitching on pot is another story, though.
LSD changes everyone, for the better. A much greater sense of what's valuable. It's about time research into its utility resumed. It should never be seen as a "ha-ha" drug, it's a serious substance, as Leary said, set and setting are very important. It can be a real boon for humankind.
2. No, I've never had a flashback. 300 LSD trips and no flashbacks. I'm still waiting.
3. I believe that once you "see" things under the influence of LSD, you can't "un-see" them. In other words, Yes: Acid changes you permanently.
1. Yes, I believe it's possible. Some people are able to focus to an unusual degree on acid. I played a game of catch once, while sky high on shrooms, during which it seemed like it was impossible to drop the ball no matter where it was thrown. My hand-eye coordination has never been as good before or after.
2. For a little while I had flashbacks every time I looked at grass. Like, lawns. I decided to cut down at that point.
3. No, I don't think there's been any permanent effect whatsoever. I never flash back anymore and I'm, y'know, like a contributing member of society and stuff. As others have mentioned, I do feel that it influenced me as far as getting me more in touch with myself; not all the deep thoughts I had while tripping were ridiculous "we're all connected, man!" crap. Only like 80%. The other 20% were totally interesting, man, seriously.
@Con Chapman - oh God, I had to have dinner with my family once while tripping too. I'd forgotten that we had a family dinner planned. That was a looooong dinner, man. My meat kept trying to sneak off my plate.
The most intense trip I ever had wad during a penny ante Poker game with friends. We had been smoking and snorting when a friend arrived with a film can filled with what we called “Kool Aid” Acid, purple pills that had crumbled into dust. I though he had said there was only a couple of hits in the container. Another friend licked his finger, stuck it into the can and licked what seemed more than half of the dust. I figured there could not be much left, so I just tossed the rest back, like a shot of Scotch. I realized my error when a cloud of dust hit the back of my mouth. Rather than spitting it out, which I felt would be a terrible waste, I drank some water and swallowed it. It was then I learned I had misunderstood how much was in the can, not two or three hits, but twelve. OOOOPs
Shortly after I was sitting in another friends front yard looking at a tree and seeing a “Bliczknap” at least that is what I though I was seeing. I existed in an alternative universe, reminiscent of Superman’s “Bazarroland”. It was then a friend had a “Profound Revelation:” and took me to the premier of the original Star Wars. Sitting on the front row I thought the iconic opening shot of the “Imperial Destroyer” would never end.
I did not have any bad repercussions from this strangest trip I ever experiences. Boy it was a lot of fun.
great story either way.
I did acid one time, in 1969. I was 20 years old, in the Marines, going through Staging Battalion at Camp Pendleton, about a week before I was to deploy to Vietnam. Maybe my circumstance had something to do with my experience:
Sometime in the early-morning hours, after I had been tripping for maybe seven or eight hours, I was lying on a sofa in a friend's living room. To that point, my trip had been pretty much what had been described to me by friends who had had prior experiences, except way better. I was awe-struck.
But now I was alone, lying on the sofa, peeking through a small opening in the blanket that covered me. I realized that I was not in my friend's living room on a sofa, but in a freshly-cut hayfield, with haystacks all around me. I was in one of the haystacks, and I didn't know why. Then, through the early-morning mist, I could see the soldiers approaching. They were walking ahead of a 6 x 6 truck, through the field, stabbing into the haystacks with their bayonets. I could hear the soldiers shouting to one another, but I could not understand the language they spoke. Occasionally, one would thrust his bayonet into a haystack and an American soldier screamed, jumped out of the haystack, and ran, trying to escape. But there was no escape; he was immediately shot by several of the soldiers in the search party, who then picked up his lifeless body and threw it in the back of the six-by, on top of many more bodies. The party advanced toward my haystack. I was terrified when the soldiers came to my hiding place. One stabbed me with his bayonet, another shot me as I tried to get up and run. They threw me in the back of the truck with the others, some of whom were still alive.
Yeah, I'd say the experience changed me. I can still smell the fresh-cut hay and see that crystal-clear vision of that early morning scene; the soldiers with their bayonets fixed, and the truck emerging from the mist.
I believe that the experience was instrumental in my decision to return to school after I came home from Vietnam. I had always had trouble focusing prior to my escapade, but that did not seem to be a problem later.
I'll state the following in caps:
I LIVED IN THE HAIGHT FROM '67-'69.
I lived at 730 N Flimore and a few other places which were either my actual residence or a crash pad.
The Haight then was the PERFECT place to live and trip.
I believe he could do that while 'coming down".
I feel riped of in never having a flashback.
I DO believe that I am changed~~for the better~~fdue to tripping.
I did acid wayyyy over 100 times in those years.
Had a lot of fun and, NEVER had a "bad trip".
I remember quite a few things I/we did while tripping which did involve being coordinated.
I remember playing football and being able to catch the ball and doing other similar things.
The acid we were dropping then was Owsley white lightning, purple haze, blue dots, orange sunshine and some othe shit which WAS shit.
I often mixed it with other fun stuff however, never with alcohol.
Do any of you remember a multiday one called STP?
This was a little different in that, while it was similar to acid, it wasn't as fun causing and lasted a couple of days.
One of the funnest experiences I had was flying from SFO to LAX.
Didn't have the nazi TSA then.
I had dropped some acid about 20 mins before takeoff and, as the plane was leaving the groun, I was getting off.
THAT was a really great trip.
All the neat experiences of living there then was enhanced by acid.
Sex was another better sexperience(like my pun?).
I used to get together with one hippie chick and, we'd drop and smoke whatever we had around and, having sex while looking into each others' eyes and hallucinating is something I still remember.
Now, THAT is a flashback that I'd welcum.
Hey, imsurly,
I don't think that was a flashback. I think you were actually in a walmart parking lot.lol
I've been C&S for 26+ years and have no regrets.
My life is very different from then yet, I have pleasant memories.
I no longer smoke anything or do any drugs other than for my asthma.
I have chronic back pain and have been thinking about toking up to see if it would alleviate the pain butt, I'm not sure whether I trust myself.
Hey, this was one of the funnest blogs of all time here.
Thanks, Kennywell.
2) No one with a lick of sense would take LSD at an airport "knowing" where he would be when it hit.
3) No one with a lick of sense would take LSD at an airport, period.
4) Yeah, I have had flashbacks. What does that have to do with the price of rice?
5) Eating unknown (and unknowable) fauna in a Chinese restaurant in San Francisco affected me and my life more than taking LSD. So did finally getting the structure and nature of Indian classical music after 20 years of trying. So did learning how to play the pennywhistle.
6) Really great video, though!
Having spent 25 years running drug and alcohol treatment programs - left that out of my resume, didn't I? - I can say with absolute certainty that the vast majority of the people involved in the war on drugs - cops, prosecutors, defenses attorneys, judges and people like me - know it's absolute bullshit, never worked, never will, never could.
At the same time, after some forty years, I find myself wondering if there's anyway I can get another hit of Orange Sunshine....but then I remember that thinking is the best way to travel.
LSD does not get stored in your- that part is a myth. Flashbacks are purely psychological. Interesting fact- LSD is completely metabolized by your body before the effects have even started to be felt.
Depending on what stage of the trip, its sure possible. Probably less so while peaking. The big problem is perception. How do you
determine the strike zone when the plate's breathing?
My psychedelic experiences have profoundly shaped my world view. For one, I read Darwin and became an atheist when I was 8 or 9. Then in highschool, I took a couple of hits of acid, put on a Ravi Shankar album, and heard the voice of god. Now I'm a devout agnostic.
one flashback that morphed into an inconvenient phobia: Driving round the triboro on acid, profoundly convinced car would take off into the air. Subequently had a flashback while at same part of Triboro, and hi-jinks have ensued on bridges ever since.
Took my last trip three weeks ago. (I only take it when I can find it.)
Acid saved my life; before taking acid I was a monstrous asshole.
Other than that, not much impact to point to...
2) Never a flashback. I had an experience start to go bad on me once, but a good friend was there and helped me to see that it was just a ridiculous line of thought that I was following. I felt immediately better.
3) I experienced a great many insights into my self and my life's situation. Whether it changed me or not is hard to say. I would say that if it did, it was for the better.
I believe that LSD is a dangerous drug and should be treated as such. Skydiving is dangerous too and both, with the proper precautions can be managed to the point where it's pretty unlikely (but never impossible) for something to go tragically wrong.
The statute of limitations as long since run out on these experiences. :)
>in your spinal fluid after you've come
>down
Nope. Pure myth. Lsd is water-soluble and is excreted by the body long before the effects quit...whatever LSD does to the body, it is quickly broken down and the psychoactive effect remains even after there is NO LSD in the body.
I've never had a flashback...I don't believe they exist...they only happen to people that fixate on them...ie if you believe in flashbacks you may experience one. I never have.
As far as long-term effects...I am a more open-minded person and I've learned that for every situation, there can be many points-of-view and all of them can be equally 'correct'..ie there is more than one way to see everything/anything.
I used to be an atheist and psychedelics have certainly made me more aware of God, and my own spiritual potential.
They have helped me to get past barriers in my own mind and I feel free.
Plus, tripping can be a lot of fun and the experience of having sex with a significant-other is enough to make a person cry at the sheer beauty and intensity of the act.
The only flashbacks I have ever had, were a weird smell or taste that I always experienced on acid. Occasionally I notice that strange smell.
I think, it changed my perceptions of people and life in general. Had some hilarious experiences, which need not be told here. Now if the FDLE just does not read this post. No laughing matter, here in Florida!
RE 1, flashbacks, the short answer is "No". Perhaps disappointing, but perhaps also comforting. The long answer is that I have not had any non-chemically-induced and otherwise-unintended (a) recurrence of (i) basic experiential perspective or (ii) extraordinary full instances or fields of phenomena, or (b) aftereffects similar to these within the usual and ordinary fields of thought, feeling and perception. I.e., I have not "re-experienced" it, nor have I experienced a contained excerpt of it. Meditation practice, has, though, given openness and access to something like that basic experiential perspective, but less conditional, perhaps more basic, and less... well, less chemical!
RE 2, I believe that a well-trained and talented pitcher could indeed pitch a no-hitter on acid. I couldn't! I did drive a car through the city and on the freeway during my first full-on trip, and, on some level, everything seemed the same (on the level at which most people not on acid are accustomed to regarding things as the same or not the same). I also rode a motorcycle on acid ("We ride like the wind," my riding buddy said while starting up, the first time), and walked several blocks down a steep hill in orange ostrich skin cowboy boots with big heels (with a feeling that I was tipping 60º to the right). I have also driven friends home from a Grateful Dead show (however, I seemed to be the only one able to drive - or to find the car); the toll plaza seemed challenging at first, but we got through it. I think it's just a matter of paying attention while keeping a sense of the bigger space.
RE 3, permanent change, I would say that for me it was a change of having several times experienced a much bigger perspective, and knowing afterwards that it really is there, that there's a level of truth or reality to it (or whatever you want to call it at that level). I do have a few close friends who have confided that they really did not come back, at least really not with the same, usual and ordinary modes of experience of themselves and the world. And they seem to be doing quite well, those friends!
Question 4 might be: do you know anyone who got totally burnt out on acid, or at least significantly damaged by their use of it? Sadly, roughly, yes - but there seem to have been other conditions involved, too.