Kent Pitman

Kent Pitman
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I've been using the net in various roles—technical, social, and political—for the last 30 years. I'm disappointed that most forums don't pay for good writing and I'm ever in search of forums that do. (I've not seen any Tippem money, that's for sure.) And I worry some that our posting here for free could one day put paid writers in Closed Salon out of work. See my personal home page for more about me.

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SEPTEMBER 21, 2008 11:02PM

What Concessions to Demand for the Bailout?

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Dave Cullen blogged about No blank check without concessions. For as far as he went, I thought it was great and made a good point. But then he stopped abruptly with this cliffhanger of a remark:

Yes, we'll save you, and here's the price to you.

Dave was saying if we're going to foot the bill on this bailout, we should ask for something and not just give in freely. But what to ask for? (No doubt the answer is to tune in next time for another installment.)

But, never one to back down from rewriting others' cliffhangers (I used to write alternate endings of TV soap operas and publish them to the web), I figured this was my opening. Since Dave didn't say what concession he thought we should ask for, I figure I'd just blunder forth with my own suggestions. If he later offers his own, too, so much the better. His basic premise is right and we need all the suggestions we can get.

Moving ahead, my first thought was that the things we ask for have to be things that, if granted, don't increase the national debt. And yet, they need to be things that matter to real people. So, for example, we can't all ask for free toasters (that was one of Bill Maher's light-hearted suggestions) both because it's not a big enough thing to ask and because it costs money no one can afford to spend.

So, working with that constraint, here are some things that occur to me:

[Note reading 'Our Demands']

  • Rescind the Patriot Act. Need I say more on this one? The Constitution has taken a serious beating in these last two Presidential terms. Enough is enough. If you want us to go into serious hock, restore this country to its the so-called “original intent”: the rule of law. Heck, I would consider it a major concession for Bush to publicly admit he has overstepped as he was restoring our rights.

  • Restore the Estate Tax. The standard justification for why people should be allowed to become rich in the United States is that such wealth is the engine of prosperity that makes the nation rich. Well, that experiment has failed. So here's a new idea: Give anyone who gets rich legally exactly one generation to use that wealth for the public good. That money may be used by them and their spouse but is otherwise transferrable only in a limited fashion. They can raise their kids to the age of majority in whatever style they like, and can assure that beyond that the kids have money for a proper education, a lifetime of good health care, and any additional accommodations as are appropriate to those with special needs who cannot care for themselves. Make exceptions for specific family businesses like family-owned farms, if you like. But beyond that, no dynasties. Kids of wealthy people have to make their own fortunes and cannot live off the wealth of parents. Wealth returns to the general funds after that, for use in education and health care, for example.

    And make a point of noting publicly that this is what is expected of good citizens. If you want your money spent efficiently in service of other ways, use your lifetime to set that up. The Republicans have spent years talking about patriotism: Let them know that making your fellow citizens better off is patriotism, and failing to is not.

  • Admit that progressive taxation is fair. If the average person is going to be footing the bill for fiascos like this that were clearly out of their control, then it should be made clear that the tax structure needs to lean heavily toward the high end.

    In fact, why not just say that the tax on poor people is "being poor". Say that while we are willing to offer services to help people, every individual is to try to help themselves before asking for help, but that in order to make that easier, we won't tax anyone until they have demonstrated they can take care of themselves. Make taxation a privilege of the rich, an honor that people can aspire to. Say that every adult is entitled to earn up to $100,000 of savings on a tax-free basis (with perhaps an additional allowance for children that can be transferred to them upon majority).

    No income tax, no tax on the interest. And when they have filled that up, then money they make above that is what's taxed. The point is to acknowledge that when people aren't making their own way in the world, there's no point in tapping them for extra money. The operating budget of the United States is to be taken from the people who are more well-to-do than that.

    That doesn't mean that the poor aren't paying tax. The tax on them is that companies can't afford to pay everyone luxury salaries. They have to make do with less. That's already taxing.

    Make a law that says that anyone who is ever caught saying otherwise must give up their savings and their high-paying job and start over with a low-paying job and no savings so they can enjoy the luxury accommodations they are so sure people are getting away with. (I'm mostly kidding here, since I don't really favor content restrictions on free speech, and yet I stand by the sentiment.)

    This suggestion also doesn't mean we don't pay social security at some level, if the US can even afford it after these other liabilities we've taken on. It's just that we stop taxing the poor to pay for it. Instead of stopping charging payroll tax at around $100K, we start charging for it around there.

  • Restrict the Maximum Salary. We ordinary citizens that don't have golden parachutes and full retirement benefits get a little tired of watching others who have a lot use words like "we're doing all we can".

    How about this: Designate that a corporation can pay a maximum salary of, say, 10x what the lowest paid employee makes. One way to raise the CEO's wages then would be to raise the lowest paid worker's wages.

    But beyond that, allow no more salary, only bonus plans: Make a specific objectively testable criterion for what benefit is to be provided in exchange for that amount, and to offer it as a bonus if that objectively testable criterion is met, not as salary. In that way, everyone knows what is being purchased and when it is and is not delivered. Further, say that such income is not ordinary income, but is “extraordinary income”, and assign it a tax rate that is above the ordinary rate of income.

  • Create tax-incentives for companies that keep employment on shore. Companies are outsourcing jobs to make a profit. This doesn't benefit the US and we should not be subsidizing the practice.

  • Gay Marriage. Fair is fair.  If gays are going to have to carry this tax burden along with the rest of us, let's finally let them marry anywhere they like. If not, let's exempt them from taxes, too.  (If enough people declare themselves gay to avoid taxes, some Republican will come up with some explanation soon enough about why gay marriage is ok after all.)

These ideas I've suggested are authored somewhat hastily, and might require some refinement. But I think one has to start somewhere. And maybe others can suggest other ideas of this kind. The ideas we choose should not be those that increase our debt, but rather those that acknowledge the pain that the upcoming bailouts will cause, and that distribute the pain where it can best be shouldered.

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These are my demands:

Build that bridge to knowwhere, and leave no child behind when crossing it. Cars carrying children not left behind across the bridge to knowwhere should tow FEMA trailers for the children to live in once they arrive at knowwhere. (The cars and the FEMA trailers should be built in Detroit by American workers.) Surround knowwhere with border fencing, and make the highway to knowwhere a tollway with a big toll booth and a big sign that says "know where you're going when you elect more Republicans"
In short: Know way, know how, eh?
You have me on everything but Restrict the Maximum Salary.
If I invent a black box that outputs endless amounts of clean energy then I want to be slathered with fifties every hour for the next 100 years. That's just me though.
On the other hand The Suits (CEOs, CFOs etc) must be held accountable. If a company goes into the toilet then a system of negative bonuses must be enforced. Shareholders should demand that if you tank their company then they get all the salary, bonuses and perks back. In court it could be argued that the stockholders did not receive value for money paid.
Caruso, why not just be buried in 50's right away as a bonus? Is it necessary that it be done in salary? Even so, I can accept disagreement on these things. As I said, it's just a starting point for discussion. How would you revise it, or do you think salary inequity is not an issue, or...?
My own woof in the wilderness: "END THIS F*****G WAR". And it's tied directly to the economics of a bailout: we might save a trillion here and a trillion there and soon it might add up to some real money we could use for........... Hey, we can start another list!

Good post.

WOOF.
It very may well be that action must be taken to keep the economy from sinking further. But, yes, I am sick and tired of rampant cronyism and pork-barrel contracts, such as the noncompetitive Blackwater and Halliburton contracts that have enriched corporations, and a few individuals, on the blood of Americans and Iraqis. I cannot describe, with words, how enraged I am with our corrupt, lawless, and morally-bankrupt federal government. All three branches. And the fourth estate.
I say let the suits have all they can grasp by way of golden parachutes, performance (or non0performance) bonuses, etc., just tax the shit out of it! How about 50% of the first million, 60% of the next million, 70% of the next, and so forth. By the time they reach six million, 100% goes to the IRS.

BTW, Paulson should be the one fired, not Cox.
I like all of these (including those that have a tongue-in-cheek flavor). Taking a political perspective, though, I'd be wary about opening myself up to accusation of playing politics with this financial mess. Oddly enough, that's exactly what the Republicans seem to be doing already with their blank-check-to-protect-the-guilty-and-incompetent approach, but still. . . So I'd focus on those conditions that have the clearest connection to financial solvency, or whatever we want to call it. The Patriot Act and gay marriage conditions would thus go to the bottom of my list, as important as they are in more general terms. I'll have to think about what other conditions I'd like.

On a related topic (something I thought about blogging, but it's not substantial enough), it occurred to me this morning that from the right wing fringe you'll sometimes hear talk about liberals in the U.S. wanting to give up American sovereignty to the UN, new world order paranoia. Given Paulson's plan to have American taxpayers bail out foreign corporations with dealings in the U.S., it struck me that you have a quite comparable situation: Conservatives (of the Bush-Paulson stripe) want to give up American economic sovereignty to international corporations. If I were a tinfoil hat wearer, this would bother me. Hell, it bothers me even without the headgear.
Rob St. Amant sez:"Given Paulson's plan to have American taxpayers bail out foreign corporations with dealings in the U.S...."

We've already done that. The 85 billion to save AIG aided a company which, altho' HQd in NY is quite international in the scope of its business.

How come we didn't require that other nations match our contribution?
Hum, I hadn't thought of that, but I believe you're right, Wayne. There's little to distinguish an international American corporation from an international foreign corporation, when it comes down to it. That helps me understand Paulson a bit better.
Rob, it's a complex topic so I won't presume to tell you that I'm right and you're wrong. I think your comments are interesting.

But in defense of things political, let me just note that the founding of this great nation were based on politics no less petty. When the entire freedom of the nation was on the line, the South wanted slavery, which you'd think (in addition to being grossly immoral) was off-topic... And I just stumbled across
another bit of randomness just now, where both "Abstinence Education" and various medicare/medicaid benefits on the same legislation so that it's impossible to treat them separately.

One of the problems the Democrats have which is referred to when people say they don't have the confidence Obama can do what it takes is the unwillingness to go for the jugular when it's needed. That leaves them sometimes unable to counterbalance the gains made by the Republicans. Politics is not for the faint of heart, I guess. It's really war, just without the blood.

And the Gay Marriage thing is really a civil rights issue to me, and is not small potatoes. It affects people's benefits and rights under law. And it's about simple human dignity. (And don't even get me started on the stupid don't ask don't tell policy in the military... you know about things like this right?)

(I assume I don't have to say why the Patriot Act is likewise no small matter.)

But I assume your saying it had lower priority didn't mean you don't support these things. Still, I think they're more equal in my mind than I guess they are in yours.
Euthanize the Federal Reserve. NO MORE CENTRAL BANK. Rescind the Patriot Act, restore Habeas Corpus, getting the hell out of Iraq and Afghanistan, war crime trials for Bush43/Cheney and all the Neocons, close Guantanamo, dismantle the IRS... might be a good time to legalize dope, too.

Ending the unnatural life of the Fed and fiat currency would be the key thing here.
I entirely agree with you, Kent, on the importance of the Patriot Act and gay marriage, and I too think they're civil rights issues (the Patriot Act involving more than civil rights, but that's not the point here). I'll have to rethink my (overly cautious? cowardly?) position on this, given what you're saying about history. If something is worth fighting for, it doesn't really matter whether it's tightly related to a current crisis--it's worth fighting for.
Robert Reich has a similar (slightly less ambitious) list up on TPM. I think his third point, while probably unconstitutional, is the missing piece. We need to at least partially restrict political access and lobbying by Wall Street and corporations. That way instead of blogging about our seemingly pie in the sky political agendas we can have a real democracy that actual represents its citizens, rather than doing its best to blind and distract us.
K,
I think salary inequity is indeed an issue just not one restricted to financials.
I would much rather it be a requirement that if you take the bailout, the executive suite is fired with a re-entry restriction of two years; like what we do for govt. drones and lobbying. That's compensation to Main street I think we can all identify with.

Re: salary inequity. Something to add to Obama's "keep it in the usa" tax breaks? Add an additional n% break if also wage disparity is no more than 30%, take into account temp staff and contractors too.
Ben & Jerry's did that. They retired slathered in $50s.