Kent Pitman

Kent Pitman
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Philosopher, Technologist, Writer
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I've been using the net in various roles—technical, social, and political—for the last 30 years. I'm disappointed that most forums don't pay for good writing and I'm ever in search of forums that do. (I've not seen any Tippem money, that's for sure.) And I worry some that our posting here for free could one day put paid writers in Closed Salon out of work. See my personal home page for more about me.

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OCTOBER 28, 2008 11:13PM

The “Two Unprincipled Parties” System

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A lot of noise is made from time about how our so-called two-party system is what makes America strong. That might be so. But I wonder if it works the way people think.

The first thing I notice as I think about this issue is that we don't have two parties. We have a number of them. But it's true that there aren't a lot of people voting for these other parties, and voters pretty quickly learn that under the present rules (I'll blog about the virtues of preference-order voting another day), a vote for a third-party candidate is just a wasted vote. If you do vote for such a third-party candidate, you'd better be happy with the most popular of the big two candidates because you're throwing away your right to vote for the other of those two.

But my personal theory is that what's really useful about our system is not that it's about two parties, but that it's two unprincipled parties. Ok, perhaps I'm slightly stretching the meaning of the term “unprincipled” because I really don't mean “without any principles” and I'm not even meaning to say they're “hypocrites.” But I do mean “without specific and unchanging principles.”

I hear murmuring out there in the audience, but you can spare me. The Republicans are not the party of fiscal conservatism, small non-invasive government, patriotism, etc. I might have been a Republican myself long ago if something as simplistic and reliable as that described that crowd.

And before you get too comfortable, because I know this forum is mostly full of Democrats, the Democrats have their share of deviations from alleged principle, too. I don't see Obama talking about how he wants to give all gays the right to marry, for example.

What people will say or refuse to say is market driven on both sides. At any given time, both parties usually have an articulated platform, but over long periods of time, that platform shifts. And I claim that's mostly a good thing.

In fact, the opinion of Rush Limbaugh and the Rightwing Talk Media to the contrary, changing one's mind as one gains experience can be good. It's called learning, and it's good for us.

[Picture of scales]

So I think it's no accident that the two parties enjoy almost exactly the same coverage and that some elections are right around 50%. I think what happens in many elections is that the party that perceives itself as being behind gives up just enough ground in terms of its' alleged principles in order to get people to cross the aisles. They don't want to give up more than they have to because they each perceive themselves as principled and they perceive shifts like this as being done somewhat under duress, in order to save the party from being permanently locked out.

I used to listen to Rush until I decided I was just tired of him and couldn't bear it any more. It wasn't his ideology that drove me away—I enjoy hearing people who think differently than me. It was his attitude and tactics that drove me away. The same with O'Reilly, Hannity and Colmes, and the rest of the Fox line-up. It's just re-runs after a while, with nothing new to learn, so I gave up.

One thing I remember Rush saying was that people who are middle of the road in their politics are without principle—in effect, that “moderate” is not a substantively meaningful description of a political position, that it represents unprincipled compromises between legitimate political positions. Cynically, I think he said this because he wants to drive his opposition to the far Left, or even just wants to pretend his opposition is already to the far Left, because it's just easier to make a case against extremists than against moderates. So it serves him to believe that that's all there are in the world: extremists, who are either himself (on the correct end), bad guys (on the wrong end), and people who have no legitimate positino at all.

I don't buy that there aren't legitimate positions in the middle; I think they're just not well characterized. It's more like the question asked Dorothy early in the Wizard of Oz, “Are you a good witch or a bad witch?” It may indeed be that there is no legitimate other kind of witch, but that fact doesn't mean there isn't some third position for Dorothy to take, it just means the choices are not offered in a very useful way.

One of the reasons I think Nature has been so successful with Evolution over so many years is that I don't think it worries a lot about labeling itself. It just goes with what's working and doesn't fuss about how an animal or whole species is named. Survival is what counts, not labeling. And I think that while the Democrats and Republicans try to impose a lot of naming as a matter of tactic, the engine driving the political system as a whole, and the two major parties in particular, is more organic than is commonly acknowledged, and is interested more in surviving than in adhering to any fixed set of principles.

In fact, if you look around the globe at other countries that have more parties, you'll see there are serious obstacles to any of those parties growing substantially. The problem isn't the number of parties, it's the principled nature of the parties. Being principled holds them back. Because to change parties, the people within them have to give up their principles! And who wants to do that? Whereas since being Republican or Democrat really doesn't mean anything, it may be difficult but it's not impossible for at least those people who view themselves as living comfortably in the middle to wander back and forth, creating the market stresses that force the parties to change from time to time.

The situation right now is a perfect example. A lot of people who thought themselves Republicans realize they are not well-served so have crossed the line. For someone who grew up self-identifying as a Republican, it may be weird or annoying to be called a Democrat. But it doesn't mean saying “Ok, I'll be a liar.” or “Ok, I'll stop caring about fiscal responsibility.” Indeed, part of what they're doing is realizing these parties are capable of shifting and that theirs has shifted out from underneath them. But things will shift back toward the middle, or even sharply back to the Republican field, if the Republican party changes to be more like what is needed to woo voters back or if the Democratic party fails to offer what people are seeking. Each party represents room for change, and a vacuum won't last long there.

So three cheers for people having the principles and political parties not having them. It's what keeps things working.


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These ideas are something I've thought about for quite some time. The decision to write about this today was by a desire to respond to Greg Randolph's article The Implosion of the Republican Party. Thanks, Greg.

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I grew up in a multi-party system in Canada. It has always seemed strange to me that the US system is so uniform. It' s not just that there are only two parties. It is that, with very rare exceptions, it's the same two in every state. In Canada, most of the provinces have roughly two-party systems (in the sense that there are only two parties within striking distance of winning an election), but which parties there are varies a great deal.

In my province, Saskatchewan, the left-wing New Democratic Party has always been the same. But the right-wing party across the aisle has changed twice in my lifetime: in the sixties, it was the Liberal Party; in the eighties, it was the Progressive Conservative Party; and now it's a new party, founded since I left and now in government, called the Saskatchewan Party.

The dynamic is very different. Most major political changes in Canada come about because someone has founded a new party. It has had success, and either it gets in government or another party has to shift its ground to prevent it from growing into a threat.

In the US, a political campaigner can generally only be successful by building support within one of the two big parties.

I don't really know what the substantive results of the difference would be. Certainly, there's appeal to the notion of being able to promote an agenda outside the established-party system, and take power by direct appeal to the people. On the other hand, the system of primaries mitigates some of the smothering impact of a restricted system by making it possible to win party leadership and ultimately power with little or no support from central party insiders.

I do agree that if there are going to be only two parties, they need to be unprincipled.
Yeah, Matthew, I'm not a big fan of there being only two parties, so didn't mean to say that all that comes out of this system is good. Just that what makes it work as well as it does is that it's not inflexible on the two sides, or it would be way more odd.

(In fact, I think if we had preference-order voting, it would enable some more complicated dynamics that might be healthy. I'd certainly like to see that given a try.)
Oh, and could we have a moment's silence for the death of the Rhinoceros Party.
This was the post I was waiting for! Loved your descriptive impartiality. And your reference to The Wizard of Oz was great! My favorite childhood fairytale and still is to this day, I can add to this, that after Dorothy received advice and direction from the Glenda, the "good witch," part of which was, to kill Elphaba, the "bad witch," in order to gain audience with the all knowing, all things possible, Wizard." He would then help Dorothy to find her way home, which turns out to be false, as he was a fraud and lead through intimidation and control...wild killer monkeys and all. In the end, Dorothy had all the power within herself, to take her self back to her home and to the people who loved her. So somewhere in this story I'm getting that she may well be an Independent, having fought the bad monkeys (Congress) and the Wizard, clearly GWB, the wimp and fraud, all sent her back home to her safe place, never more to be taken for granted.
Since I completely went off on a tangent here, I owe it to you to submit another post, to offer the partisan significance of The Scare Crow, the Tin Woodsman and the Lion. There is some rich symbolism there for your creative juices.
My childhood fantasy aside, your post was completely appreciated
and will be reread to fully digest all your points and meaningful conclusions of our political system as a whole.
Stellaa, I think the reason two parties is cited as important (besides what I said above) is that if you consider 3 or more parties, people can easily see that either wins are done by pluralities rather than majorities or else one party is way bigger than the others and the others don't have much chance unless they get a bunch of unrelated causes together (which some regard as not a legitimate coalition). Having all the compromise happen inside a party instead of outside the party somehow makes people happier. It preserves the illusion.

Cathy, yes, I agree that Dorothy was definitely an Independent. She was variously a leader and a follower, and was one who at various times cared about having a grass roots following, had an axe to grind, and towed the party lion.
Great post, Kent - I guess I never really worry about the parties, other than that they offer such an either/or way of thinking - and it's a bit like how it must be to get a bill with a lot of pork and you have no line-item veto. Maybe you are fiscally conservative, and pro-choice. Maybe you want gay marriage, but you're pro-life.

We are multi-faceted, as are our issues. I'm amazed at how those who seek to regulate morality, reject regulation of guns, and money. There's an inverse relationship for others. The politics of fear. Anyway - good post, Kent!
This is interesting, Kent, thanks for posting it. I'm left wondering a bit about whether we're looking at a future where parties adhere more closely to principle for a time -- which is what a GOP split would be about, I assume, if it splintered into socially and fiscally conservative camps -- or whether in this election we've seen the end to even the superficial appearance of coherent party principle for the time being. I'd like to say we're moving toward the second, but we seem to be a society that, while not built for principled parties as you define them, also shuns nuance in all of its campaigns.

(By the way: I'm totally on-board with the notion that the Democratic party has its splits, too, but I think we have of late been less divided in principle than the Republican party; our principled disagreements seem to be over issues of degree, in things like gay marriage and reaction to climate change, instead of in the fundamental ideas of what we should be pursuing as our major policies. It's nuance, again, but that's a difference from a Republican party that can't agree on whether fiscal responsibility or overturning Roe v. Wade is a bigger issue on their agenda. Anyway. I'm sure we'll get back around to being deeply divided over everything within the first year of the next presidency. In-fighting is what every party in power does best, right?).
Saturn, I think we both know that all the Republican rhetoric will be about principles—even as they are praying that St. Machiavelli brings them the inspiration necessary to reconstuct the party in any kind of working form. And I'm sure you're right that if they lose, they're all set to slather the blame quickly onto Obama in hopes of leveraging it next time around.
You touch on a lot of topics that are in my to-do and/or work-in-progress bins. Labels can be damning and unfairly plunk people in pigeonholes. It happens to groups, as well, and once that machine starts going, it is extremely difficult to stop. The thing is, the vast majority do not know that they are part of this process.

An experiment should be done of a population of those who are staunch in their political party's beliefs. They can be given a blind study where they are presented with candidates for President without revealing the party each represents. They had to vote for the one whose values and policies align with theirs, not the party label. It would be interesting to see the results.