Kent Pitman

Kent Pitman
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I've been using the net in various roles—technical, social, and political—for the last 30 years. I'm disappointed that most forums don't pay for good writing and I'm ever in search of forums that do. (I've not seen any Tippem money, that's for sure.) And I worry some that our posting here for free could one day put paid writers in Closed Salon out of work. See my personal home page for more about me.

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NOVEMBER 20, 2008 10:00PM

College: An Overpriced Monopoly

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In a recent post here at Open Salon, Joanne Jacobs writes about “The college payoff: $300,000 over 40 years.” In her piece she makes the claim that going to college is good by comparing the cost of going to college to the expected return. Maybe. But what if the college market turns out to be like the housing market—overpriced and awaiting a crash?

Oh, I don't mean that you're going to regret getting educated. But it seems to me like it's time for a price revolution and you might be sad you paid such a ridiculous price if you could have gotten an equivalent education for a lot less. So don't be lulled into thinking that the present system is the only possibility.

The traditional system may have stood for a long time, but few things are rock solid in the modern world, and as prices climb higher and higher, at a rate far outpacing inflation, it becomes less and less credible that the present system can survive without challenge. If you don't believe me, check out some ads for AIG from before the market crash. I'll meet you back here when you're ready to believe.

Why doesn't it fix itself?

The present US education system, enabled by business hiring preferences, seems to me to be operating on a kind of mindless autopilot, creating an effective education monopoly that is unchecked by substantial competitive options in the style, scope, and cost of post-high school education products. I am amazed by the lack of public dialog about alternatives.

It costs a lot to get a degree, so it's not surprising if those who have risen to the top on the strength of their degree have trouble uttering the words “maybe a degree is not why someone should succeed.” It probably reduces one's overall cognitive dissonance to say, both aloud and to oneself, “The reason I'm here is that I did the right thing. I struggled through all those long expensive programs and got the degree. And so I should reward and promote only people who did like me.” It's self-reinforcing.

It's not like the colleges and universities are going to cry out “the degree doesn't matter, just the knowledge!” They're selling degrees. Of course they're going to tell you the degree matters.

So who is left to speak for the public? People without degrees? Who cares what they have to say?

To what degree does competence matter?

Let's face it: Competence is just not the commodity of choice. Degrees are what they're selling and what everyone wants to buy. But that needs to change.

As if to underscore the present situation, MIT has made its online courseware available for free. 1800 courses. You could learn a lot from that. But you wouldn't have a degree at the end. The degree is what is valuable in getting the job, not the knowledge. This, I claim, is a cue that something is amiss.

MIT's gesture seems on one hand extremely generous and yet in another way to fall drastically short. At the same time as it offers knowledge to many, it seems to me to also say, “we're secure in our understanding that our value is in our name, and we're keeping that just as scarce as it was before, even if the understanding we offer is made ubiquitously available.”

Of course, they might be saying that the lectures just aren't good enough to get across the course material and that the real value of their program is in the ability to ask questions interactively. But I somehow doubt that. I think it's about the brand.

And while MIT is offering a vast array of knowledge in a very useful way, it is not offering a roadmap for how to turn that knowledge into a credential. In a world of hungry people, electronic resumes, and con artists, legitimate and verifiable credentials matter. Telling people that if they just know things, they'll get by may have worked years ago, but in today's world it invites people to be invisible or to lie because the system offers no predefined path to success if you go this route.

What's the point?

Sometimes I wonder if college is meant to serve society or society is meant to serve college. Many discussions of how to arrange college seem to involve discussions about how it's the best time in one's life and a chance to really think and grow in ways that don't even relate to work. And I'm not knocking that. It was like that for me. But I think that's too much to ask for as a basic requirement of higher education.

The first goal of college must be to get a proper basis for getting started with a job, and preferrably a career. Anything beyond that is great, but is not a basic educational requirement. People who argue that it must be a touchy-feely, life-affirming experience are, I think, betraying their lack of understanding of their personally privileged financial status. The people complaining about college being too expensive are not complaining that they want a country club experience, but cheaper. They are worried about losing out on the basic education required to get a decent job in life because they simply can't afford the price tag. Those people, I think, would be willing to give up some of the more frivolous aspects of college if they could be assured of getting a good education that was recognized as such by employers.

Now maybe we'll find that all that money is going to massive corruption and that we can still provide both a decent education and a life affirming experience to everyone by just giving up some corruption nobody really wanted. But I don't think so. It think the solution is to get more serious about packaging the education part in a way that doesn't force you to bundle in all the extras.

Yes, it will be sad for some people to miss out on all the extras. But it will be sadder still if you hold rigidly to the elitist line that college must be all or nothing. Because that kind of statement is spoken by someone who's used to getting the all, not the nothing.

The focus needs to be on getting people grounded in the skills they need to compete in a highly competitive global job market that requires modern skills to be efficiently delivered. This is no longer the American century, and what will assure our citizens get jobs that feed them will not be the location in which they were born, it will be the best preparation we can give them at a price we can afford to pay.

Is there another way?

How else might we organize society to deal differently with education?

Mandatory Public Service. Colleges are a stepping stone into the real world, the encouraged place for students to go to learn to live away from home. If instead everyone, rich or poor, spent time the initial time after high school in the military or doing some public works or humanitarian task, we might end up with a country full of people that were better grounded in various ways. And it might bring us all together with a common frame of reference. People sometimes bounce around aimlessly in college, not realizing “what it's all about,” only later coming to regret not having spent the time better. Coming to college after experiencing the world and its challenges might leave students with a sense of perspective that could motivate and focus them better.

Lifelong Learning. We tend also to lean heavily on the idea that a single four-year program will prepare a person for a life of work. And yet, this model was developed back when people got a single job with a single company that lasted a lifetime. In the modern working world, jobs may last only a few years, and people may change careers several times in a lifetime. Perhaps we should be planning a society where people make repeated visits to college, perhaps for fewer years each time. This could help to overcome the situation where businesses perceive college graduates as the ones with the latest and greatest skills and tend to devalue older employees as behind the times.

Alternate Sources of Learning. Why is it college itself that matters, rather than specific knowledge or skill. Some people need tons of interactive help to get them through a course of study, but some don't. Perhaps we need more co-op programs where people can learn on the job. Perhaps some people learn better in the library. It should matter more that people get the learning they need and that we figure out some way to measure that. Colleges seem focused on selling a particular type of hand-holding at a premium price rather than on maximizing the amount of learning per dollar.

Promoting Competition. Suppose that in order to be a properly accredited school, you had to allow the option for students to learn on their own and only show up to take a modestly priced competency test, rather than bundling such testing with a class that required attendance at a premium price? This would open up the field to real competition. Students could study on their own or even take a preparatory class at an alternate facility on a case by case basis. It might be hard to compete with MIT, but it might be feasible to compete with some particular course that MIT offered. That competition might encourage MIT to improve its course material, or to price its courses more favorably. Either of those effects would be good for the student.

Running the numbers yourself?

How would we tell if the money colleges want us to pay is reasonable? Well, I suggest that one way might be to think about the cost of doing it all at home. Ok, I can see you're already doubting me. But no, I don't mean self-taught learning. I mean really, literally arranging for college-level courses to be taught at your house—perhaps in the garage or in a guest room. Let's walk it through.

How much time do you really get with a professor anyway? Let's say two or three hours a week, shared with several hundred other students in a big lecture hall. And then maybe another two or three hours of time with a grad student answering questions in a more personal setting, still shared with another dozen or two of students. That's about 24 person-hours a week (6 person-hours per course, 4 courses a week) shared with dozens or hundreds of other people. So dividing through by a class size of a dozen people (conservatively assuming a very small class), that's maybe 2 hours a week of time that's really there for you personally.

Now, using data from Purdue, and then rounding a little to make the numbers prettier, let's say that the average professor at a pretty good private school makes $100,000 per year. And let's say that it costs another $50,000 on top of that for office space and travel for that professor. Someone who needs a lab might cost more, but for many fields that isn't necessary. So let's say we're not talking laboratory scientists here, and let's say $150,000 is the approximate real annual cost of employing a typical professor.

And with the average cost of tuition at a similar school being $22,000, and with $8,000 going to room and board, that means someone's shelling out $30,000 ever year to cover tuition, or $120,000 over four years.

So how could you make better use of the $120,000 you were given than a college would do? Well, you could take the entire chunk of change and use it to personally employ a single full-time professor for almost a whole year. (I don't think too many professors would like this kind of arrangement, but let's ignore that for now and focus on the theoretical economics.) It's not the four years of schooling you were going to get, but remember that it's high quality time not shared with anyone else. There's a lot you could learn from a full-time professor if you had eight hours a day, five days a week to spend for a year. And if you were done after one intensive year, that's three years you could be earning income that you were not earning if you took a four year program.

Suppose you and four friends rented a professor together? Well, assuming you each chipped in the same $30,000 per year, you'd have $150,000 a year to hire that professor with. Of course, this isn't all dedicated time; you're sharing with four other people, getting 8 hours for you and 32 hours for your friend. But it's still four times as much person-time as we said you'd get at a typical college, and it's all time with a professor. That's pretty good.

And we haven't explored the option where all of this happens at the private professor's home instead of yours. Perhaps he or she doesn't want to come visit you. The advantage there is that the professor is a professional with a decent salary, so gets a house with a few extra rooms to use as office and teaching space. That takes the pressure off of your guest room. If you and nine other people were brought in together, for a charge of “only” $15,000 per year, that magic $150,000 might still be taken in. Now you're only getting 4 person-hours of professor a week, even if you insist on not sharing time with others, but you're saving a lot of money.

“Ah,” you've been trying to inject, “but that's just one person. Real Colleges let a student select from a menu of professors.” Indeed, but it's no more expensive to get 100 students together to use 10 professors, and then you can mix and match. It still doesn't lose the personalized feel, but now you've got a nice, flexible mix of talent—a mini-university. Just mysteriously cheaper.

And that's without even talking about the idea of recording all the lectures onto video, letting you watch last year's lecture instead of hoping the professor can do it again this year. Why we insist that teachers be part-time holographic video players, recreating the same lecture over and over, I'll never understand. Why not save their valuable time for answering questions personal to you after you watch the carefully prepared and properly recorded standard lecture on this or that subject? If you factored in even a little of this kind of automation, the system would scale even better, yielding cheaper prices for everyone while at the same time allowing for plenty of in-person time with professors.

If not now, when?

So why aren't we all doing this ourselves now? Well, for one thing it's hard to get accredited. It's non-standard, and so who's going to want to let you try? Before any of this can happen, we need the societal motivation to do some experimenting, to disrupt the status quo. The entire education system right now is pretty happy right now with being the highly sought-after but quite expensive status quo. The impulse to change needs to come from the would-be students, and from the businesses who would hire them. Everyone looks to the colleges themselves, but they have no reason to change.

If we can't change what it takes to get accredited, we need to create some competing form of accreditation based purely on verifiable competency. Businesses need a reason to trust something other than the traditional ivory tower approach to learning. Yes, it's a gamble. And people fear gambling with their future. But if ever there was a time to take that gamble, now would seem the time, as tuitions soar and the value of our savings plummets.

I'm hoping that the silver lining of bad economic times will be that as people are dissuaded from pursuing traditional universities, they don't just give up. Instead, they should take the opportunity the present situation provides, be brave, and start paving the way to the future by trying out some new ideas that might be both cheaper and just as effective—if not moreso. A bit of competition would be good for an education industry that has grown all too complacent in its belief that it is the only game in town.

Necessity is supposed to be the mother of invention. I see an awful lot of necessity in the area of education just about now. It's time to start birthing some invention.


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Interesting post. I'll have some comments later, but here's a rating and comment to keep this in the activity queue.
Kent wrote: "[I]t will be sadder still if you hold rigidly to the elitist line that college must be all or nothing. Because that kind of statement is spoken by someone who's used to getting the all, not the nothing."

That was just such a beautiful turn of phrase, I wanted to highlight it again, so it didn't get lost in the length of the main post (which itself was quite good).

By the way: one of the "functions" of a college (even more so in Japan than in the US), is as a selection mechanism. Even if the classes themselves taught nothing at all, I suspect businesses would still hire college "graduates" simply because the kind of people who can get into, and complete, a top-ranked college, are the same kind of people who can success at (difficult) real jobs.
Bravo! I applaud your analysis and the fact that you tackle a subject that everyone else seems to ignore. Even though more people than ever are attending college, the costs keep spiraling ever higher. Why? Because they can. No one challenges it or dares to take a new approach because people seem to think that a college degree (not education, mind you) automatically guarantees success. I'd love to see other approaches to learning, particularly ones that are more economical and promote life-long learning rather than the current "four-years-and-you're-done" mentality.
Oh, wow. I've paid for bachelor's degrees for two kids and now you tell me I should have put that money in my 401k instead?

Seriously, good post. When I was an undergrad at a really good state university, tuition was $118 a semester. When my husband was admitted to a professional school in another state, nonresident tuition was $197/semester and, before he was finished, went up to nearly $300. We were appalled.

And we're not *that* old.
As someone who owes what amounts to a first house to the government, I think many of your ideas are quite brilliant. Cheaper is exactly right, and lifelong learning is terrific.

I did learn quite a bit from my education, and the ability to be with people on a similar path can't be underrated. Good peers and good professors do help accelerate and create active learning. That's why what MIT puts online can not quite make the same claims as the classes at MIT. At least, not for everyone.

My only concern with 'buying' a professor is that students becoming customers thing that has become prevalent among some cheaper colleges. Students may be paying money, but they are not customers, not in the traditional sense. You should never be able to buy a grade.
Good points but I think college is about more than a trade school approach. It generally doesn't teach great job skills. However, I agree that colleges are overpriced. What value is a $40,000 dollar a year undergraduate degree in most disciplines when it is hard to impossible to find a job?
mishima, comments when you can get to them are great. no hurry.

Don, it's all too easy for a college to claim it puts out good people when really all it does is filter out anyone who's not good. Claiming credit for the result is dubious.

Lisa, thanks for the support. I wasn't quite sure what reception I'd get on this, or whether anyone would even read it given it's so long.

Lonesome, yeah, my tuition was I think $4K/yr (or maybe $4K/semester? I'm not sure I recall) which was high at the time, but something you could do without being indebted for life. The problem wasn't its magnitude but its acceleration (note: not velocity). It seemed at the time to be going up $350/yr/yr, that is, the amount by which it was going up per year was going up by $350 per year. I looked up long-term averages and they say it isn't quite as bad as that over the long run. But it's definitely way over inflation.

odette, yes, paying for a house is a lifetime thing. if you're in hock to the tune of a houseworth when you graduate, how can you get to the point of buying the house?

Bart, we put such a stigma on trade school as if it defines you for life. We need to get over that and allow people to do enough to get a job and then think it normal that they might want to better themselves after becoming self-sustaining. Instead we get all snooty and talk in terms of "tracks". And yeah, if all an education buys you is the possibility that you'll land a job good enough to pay it back, what's the point of that--especially in a world that isn't even guaranteeing you such a job?
The question "What's the point?" is the right question, and you've answered it.
Education is the exception in this system, not the rule. The exceptional prof provides the opportunity, and the exceptional student finds a way to get it.
Even though our undergrad and graduate education system and institutions are very flawed (and cost is just one, albeit large) but still world class.
Agreed, Mike, it's got a lot of chance in it right now. And as money dwindles, fewer can take the gamble.
This is a thoughtful discussion. The present university model has in some aspects been the same since the Middle Ages. I love it, but it need not do everything.

Your schematic plan naturally leaves out endless complications. This isn't a criticism. I'm sure you knew this.

1. What about research? At present, universities have this other function, and at present administrations tend to stress it more than teaching. You may well say that students shouldn't be paying for that because it's a different function, but then where is it going to be done?
2. What about libraries?
3. The final phase of your plan involves administration, and that costs, too.
4. To do a PhD is already to risk career suicide. Would we do it if we knew there would never be any job security?

The exclusive prestige of the university really is unthinking. In Britain, tons of polytechnics are now universities, when that's not necessarily the right model for them. My institution the Hong Kong Institute of Education, is trying to be renamed a university. The weird thing is that this really will bring in more money, because people will give more money to a thing called a university. It's all crazy, and does need reforming.
Matthew, I deliberately omitted laboratory research which I admit is a wrinkle of a special kind. Note that I was not suggesting shutting down existing organizations with research, I was suggesting getting rid of their monopoly status by requiring them to certify knowledge not just time-in-classroom, etc.

Also, I'd like to make special efforts to fully accredit alternative programs, whether individual courses or just small organizations.

By the way, I think another way to go would be to put some strong restrictions on an auditing of what you can charge for as an undergraduate institution, because I think a lot of times the big price tag may be on the availability of graduate or research resources and that undergrads are really subsidizing research. If undergrads get involved in research, that's great. If undergrads just sit in class and don't do research (and certainly some do and some don't), I just can't believe the cost of them being there is as high as is claimed for a great many classes. For an institution to say the high price tag is there so that you don't feel an economic disincentive to try the expensive stuff seems a bit self-serving.
Very thoughtful post, Kent; I like it, along with most of the comments. Here are my thoughts, for what they're worth:

Don makes a good point that I first ran into in Paul Fussell's book Class. He observed that, lacking an structured class system, Americans have turned to the hierarchy of universities as a substitute. Having gone to the Ivies or a few others is high status; most public universities are middle; community colleges and equivalents are low. He was not entirely serious, I don't think, but there's an element of truth to this. The changes you propose would probably be opposed for the simple (and stupid) reason that it would get rid of the equivalent of class markers.

I share odette's concern about a drastic change in the student/instructor relationship. Basically, I think that the best way to describe that relationship is apprentice/master. You don't see this, of course, when students are packed into huge lecture halls, but in smaller classes it can be the case, and I think it's the most rewarding way for students and instructors to work together, on both sides, with respect to satisfaction, efficiency, and results. It seems possible to maintain my ideal in the proposed system, but it would be harder. "Here's your test--you got 70% correct." "You're fired." (I'm exaggerating for effect here.)

I generally agree with most of the points you make about the limitations and weaknesses of the current system, but I think that the issue of accreditation is more complex. I'm involved in my department's interaction with the external organization that evaluates us for accreditation, and it's incredibly complex, much more so than I'd realized. I can't say it's more complex than it needs to be--there are just a lot of details to be taken care of, and these details often go down to the level of what's being asked on tests and in individual class assignments. (Think along these lines: "The committee doing the evaluation for the accreditation board will look poorly upon your algorithms class if your students are not receiving assignment questions related to time and space analysis of tree traversal algorithms." Straightforward stuff, but necessary.) The upshot is that responsibility for teaching specific things is distributed across the faculty, with documentation provided as needed, but at some level it's a matter of trust that the instructors are doing what they say they're doing.

I bring this up because I think that credentialism is a tough nut to crack. I can imagine someone saying, "Okay, I have this stack of resumes to evaluate, and all the candidates have good open source educations [or whatever we call your plan]. Jeez, they all look fine to me. Let's see who their instructors were... Hmm, this person's instructors all belong to the Guild of Instructors of Technology; I've heard good stuff about GIT..." And we're back in the same boat, just at a slightly finer granularity.
As we continue the transition to a knowledge or service-based economy, formalized intellectual training becomes ever more acute.

At the same time, Colleges and Universities and bracing themselves for downturn in enrollments as we experience a lull between the "Echo" boom and the meat of the bubble that is known as the "echo echo" boom, or boomer grandchildren.

So, we place higher value on the formalized, intellectual training, and there's a decrease in overall demand based on raw population data.

Some adopt the strategy that they must add to their image is elitist. They have to add bizarre and narrow courses and do not worry about the high cost of their tuition, viewing it more as another indication of their excellence, as expensive is good. (Think designer clothes versus knock offs where the label doubles the garment's resale price.)

I know this as I have friends on the board of directors at my tony prep school and liberal arts college, and I have been faced with figuring out how to pay for all of this for my own four children. I have 12 years of college to pay for in 8 years, and might have three in college all at the same time.

The message I gave the kids was that I would gladly pay the private tuition rate for an excellent school, but would not do so for more average insitutions. It was done in hopes of providing an impetus to bear down in High School such that their grades would enable them to not have to worry about money when deciding on their school of choice.

Apparently my children are not as ruthlessly greedy as I thought, as they still manage to tank grades.

At the end of the day, the degree is there to assist these people in their employability. They need to be able to get a job to become self sufficient members of society. Sure, it's great to take an Art History course for the sake of the course out of curiosity, but the bottom line happens to be preparing yourself to fend for yourself.

So on the other end is the buyer, or the hirer. They want to have some level of confidence or guarantee when hiring inexperienced, entry level employees, that there is some truth in advertising.

The degree gives them an indicator. I am well aware of the old tag line that the hardest thing about Harvard is getting accepted and that you can take a very grueling course schedule at any establishment. All true, but that is there for those who hate generalizations and insist on calling attention to the statistical outlyers.

So from a marketing perspective, the college brand matters. It gives an indicator of the experience for the students going in, and it provides an indicator of the quality of training for the employers taking on the results of the students coming out.

All other things being equal, a recruiter will be looking at the college from whence the degree came.

That, in and of itself, is worth some money.
I think another way to go would be to put some strong restrictions on an auditing of what you can charge for as an undergraduate institution

There's an interesting trend recently for top universities to waive tuition for some of their undergraduates based on need. So, for example, at MIT, if your family earns less than $75K, your tuition is free for 2008/9. At Stanford the cut-off is $100K. I think that this is great for top students, but it's hard to see how it will trickle down to less well-endowed universities.

(For what it's worth, annual tuition at my public land grant university is $5,274. Our state constitution requires that tuition be "as close to cost-free as practicable," or words to that effect. We get 40% of our funding from state taxes, and there are lots of rules in place to ensure that undergrads don't subsidize graduate or research activities. Is all this good? For the target of the university, in-state students, I think it is.)
Excellent post, Kent! Mny good ideas here and in teh comments you have attracted.
That BS is equivalent to a high school diploma now. That's why I am in grad school in a program specific to one career.
One of my kids last year in my NA club is from Greenland. When I told the seniors I have now that she was attending for free, they groaned...
My college has had two ringers for president in a row--self serving over-paid administrators concerned with redecorating their free housing... Pox on them!
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"The first goal of college must be to get a proper basis for getting started with a job, and preferrably a career. Anything beyond that is great, but is not a basic educational requirement. People who argue that it must be a touchy-feely, life-affirming experience are, I think, betraying their lack of understanding of their personally privileged financial status."

When you talk about college as a "touchy-feely, life-affirming" experience, I think you're referring to to things:

1) quality of interaction with professors, and

2) quality of feedback on one's creative work.

I went to a private university back when it was affordable for an ordinary person. The largest class I went to had 40 students. Classes of 15 students were common, and I had a number of classes with 5 students. Basically we read books, argued points in class, and wrote papers. I knew all my professors, they knew me, and 25 years later I am still friends with several of them. Essay exams were the norm, and I don't recall having any multiple choice exams.

Some years later I went to two days of state university classes with the son of a friend. Classes typically were held in an auditorium, had around 150 to 250 students, and were taught by graduate students, some of whom could have benefited by improved English pronunciation. His smallest class had around 70 students. Papers were rare (someone would actually have to read them), and exams were typically multiple choice questions. I don't think he actually knew any of his professors, though he may have met them. This kid and his friends saw education in terms of "ticket-punching" -- getting enough credits to graduate and get a diploma. All of them had a cynical attitude about the whole process.

If education is about "knowledge transfer," and getting a job, then I suppose that's what the state school is all about, and it really doesn't matter if there are 10 or 10,000 students in class. It doesn't matter if you ever see the professor or even know who the professor is. It doesn't matter if the students experience some kind of intellectual transformation. In that view, education is a kind of commodity, and the method of delivery doesn't much matter. Thus, we now have the rise of "on-line" classes in which the professor is an email address, and the class rarely meets in person.

But if education is about developing intellectual curiosity and the ability to research and think independently, then the small class size of the private university is the way to go. I'm not sure what specific "job" that leads to, but it does lead to a different kind of life. At least it did for me. And along the way I was able to get a job and make my way in the world. But for me it was never about the job or the career.
mishima, I don't disagree with much of what you say, though it was a little ambiguous at the end as to recommendation. I think what I'm saying is that the present system assumes you must make an all-or-nothing decision to either do the trade-school route where you just learn a skill and that's it or to get a university where you get the other. There is not a smooth continuum, nor is there the opportunity to produce new products that are in between.

I'll have more to say on this when I have more time. The last several notes by Rob, geoff, and o'steph were similarly interesting and I'll try to get back to those, too, either here or in a future blog post.
I can't wait to have time to read this and the comments more thoroughly - thanks for the link, Kent - this is really an extraordinary post, with the commentary as enlightening as the post itself. This should be an Editor Pick. I'll be back to review more closely - I'm working on the deadline for my PhD, and my loans total more than two lovely homes, so this is quite relevant!
Yeah, it's a big topic and I'm sure a lot of people weren't up to all that reading. An Editor's Pick might have helped it some with traffic. But so it goes. I'll look forward to your comments when you have the time away from PhD work, Travellini.
Hi,

I think Obama is proposing tying college aid to public service which makes perfect sense in that students have real work experience that might help them with majors -- thus reducing the many business majors in college who choose that major because they don't have a clur.. The problem is that students on aid will go to class and encounter a large segment of the college population: relatively pleasant college student who are happy to be there since they have no other plans to be elsewhere, their parents are footing the bills, and their college experience keeps them from overloading the job rolls for four yearsadn the parties are fun.

It is possible for students to be eager to learn and find themselves. I see this everyday -- particularly at the community college level where skills may be lower but desire to improve one's place in life is strong. Those students just passing time are not difficult and sometimes very social and helpful in the classroom -- however, learning/eduacton is not and may never be their priority.

I think what Kent wants to do is prioritize learning/education over simple degree seeking using current technology. Building infrastructure and paying for tenure is way expensive. A new model can emphasize learning without the major expenses of infrastructure and tenure.

I so hope that made sense.
Brilliant idea. Support!
"The first goal of college must be to get a proper basis for getting started with a job, and preferrably a career."

I disagree! I hate to use a slippery slope argument, but shouldn't then high schools and elementary schools be vocationally oriented too? Why wait until college?

I think the point of college is in fact to defer getting a job and a career, and thus defer specialization, which ghettoizes people into specific interest and speech communities.

The 'touchy feely' parts of college, where science majors talk to arts majors, and engineers sometimes talk to people, are the whole point. People have the rest of their lives to cordon themselves off inside their own vocational communities.
George, thanks for stopping by. We do disagree. In my book, you're placing luxuries before necessities. What you suggest is a fine goal for those who are economically well-set enough that they can afford the luxury you are referring to. Indeed, in an affluent society what you say works very well.

But that does not describe most of the people in the United States just now, and may well not describe them for quite some time, perhaps ever again. You speak of ghettoization, but college is one's life savings in many cases, or one's parents' life savings anyway, and the chief thing I think most parents putting in that money would say they are buying is the ability to have a decent job that will sustain them. Those offering grants, mostly the same. A few grants are out there for the purpose of just broadening people, but I would not suspect that's most of them.

It would also be ideal if people didn't have to work while they go to college. But that isn't likely to happen either in most cases. We work with what we can. What serves us least well is to hold fixed the constraint that we must satisfy the luxurious ideal of some wealthy person who can indulge focusing on other than a decent job. To use an old phrase, “nice work if you can get it.”
Mandatory public service.

So the answer to the high cost of college is...slave labor.
al, the term “slave labor” as you use it is metaphorical and so does not shed useful light because metaphors offer only partial correspondences and when used in the shorthand way you're doing are offered only for (to employ another overbrief metaphor) heat, not light. Graduate student researchers often refer to themselves as slave labor, yet generally receive extraordinary benefit from the experience, so the term must clearly be qualified. And there are human rights groups worldwide who do not decry countries such as Israel where there is mandatory public service for so doing. So, thanks for stopping in, but I'm comfortable with what I've written here even in spite of your concern.
Excellent. I am in the midst of educational disillusionment myself after achieving an MFA in writing in 2007 at the age of 58 and promptly becoming jobless and homeless for a year. Now I am underemployed, under paid and bored to tears as a telemarketer. In addition, shall we discuss academia's hatred of the older students, their inability to serve our learning needs and the world at large with it's huge hostile ageism? If you don't get your education by 35 you're basically cooked unless you get a degree in phlebotomy--then you might get a job.
Whether "slave labor" is an appropriate term or not, and whatever human rights groups may or may not countenance, the fact is that one of your proposed solutions to the economic flaws in the higher education system is an infringement on individual freedom via state agency. You may be comfortable with that, but I'm beyond uncomfortable. I find it a deplorably authoritarian proposal.
I'm only halfway done and need to go to bed, but I wanted to comment anyway: I love the way you think. Although I've read some things (a book by an econ prof at Vanderbilt--forget his name) that college really pays off, and I just read last month that those who start at community colleges never catch up in the money department, even if they eventually go on to get their Ph.D, I still rail against the idea that the credentials matter more than the talent itself. Case in point is that woman from MIT who ran their admissions for decades. She was apparently great at what she did and even developed a national reputation for rethinking the hyper college application process, but then it was discovered that she had never actually graduated from college herself. I guess she'd lied somewhere way early on, like when she was 22, and had moved up the career ladder through sheer talent. At some point, she knew that revealing her lie would cost her her job so she must have come to peace with her lie. Needless to say she was fired when it was found out. What I wanted to know was this: What, precisely, was she not doing well when it came to her job? I found it ironic in the extreme that this episode happened to someone of her stature in the world of academia--what a laugh that they were caught essentially admitting that they themselves couldn't tell the difference between someone who'd bought their product and someone who'd not.
Lifelong learners should be rewarded in the workplace. They tend to be the more engaged employees. Rated.
I'm leaving this to mark my spot... so I can come back.
I stopped reading halfway through, so that I can go shower and go to work and finish up my syllabi, but I'll be back.

Two quick things: my courses are capped at 30, and sometimes I get seminar courses of eight or nine students. I answer emails promptly, I'm always at my office hours, I take phone calls at home, I make appointments, I host social events for my department, I teach directed study courses for students who want one-on-one instruction in something not offered that semester. My students can have a whole lot of my time if they want it.

Two: I get paid less than what my (low cost-of-living Midwestern) state estimates is the minimum to actually care for a family of four. 100K? Not in my field. Not ever. And 50K for travel expenses? Try 3K to cover a minimum of four conferences a year, none of which are within driving distance. I eat a lot of the cost myself, but the conferences are so good for me - they keep me excited and informed about my field, and I get to present research.

My own schooling? At one of the two or three best schools in the country for my field. Vicious, meet circle....
As someone who has spent a lot of money on education..and question the value (relative to the money paid), I loved this post. My first clue that something IS wrong with higher education was when as an alum I first received a request for a donation. Wait a minute, this university charges $35k per year just for tuition...and it has over 10k students and it STILL has to solicit donations? The model is simply broken...and not scalable.

I have two comments to your post. First, the way to scale education is through technology, which you mentioned. I think we can take it much further. For e.g. Why not have a personalized learning application that customizes course content to the individual student's learning style. Moreover, the courses are all recorded and accessed anytime, anywhere..and the teacher is only an Instant message or email away.

Second, I'm not so sure accreditation is important in the new world of education. All companies of course rely on accreditation to filter candidates. But most company have been burned by an employee that had 'great credentials' but turned out to be a dud on the job. So, I believe companies would be open to gambling on a new method. More reliable indicators of performance are a) experience and b) referral from an existing employee. Companies already know this. So, why can't you have a student with an online education now take an unpaid 2-3 month apprenticeship with a potential employer? Of course, this already happens. But I think this can be the rule as opposed to being the exception.

Again, great post. I look forward to any thoughts you have on my comments.

Faraz
Colleges are the class of institutions least accountable in the United States, although how you correct that is tricky business.rated
I enjoyed your post, especially as a 23 yr old who crunched the numbers of what my college education will cost. If I go to the $7,000/yr (tuition only) school, keep up with my immoderate living expenses of $160/wk room and board and $50/wk for 'entertainment', I'll end up $50,000 in the hole. What does this mean? If you're not rich, college will make you poor.

Another aspect (probably covered more eloquently by someone else) is that as more people get degrees, more jobs have a degree requirement. It's self fulfilling, as you say.
Gaaah! I just replied to another post tonight about the same subject. Unless it is an actual "hands-on" learning situation, most college courses are nothing but a waste of time and money. Most University programs (at least in the liberal arts) are nothing less than glorified sleep-away camps for spoiled kids whose parents have no better place to put them. Socialization should be learned in High School.
you're forgetting the costs of all those paper-pushers, shufflers, generators (= administration) whose ranks have swelled inversely to our understanding of what they actually DO in the univerisity to contribute to its mission. now their work has beed replaced by web sites, .pdfs and other applications, yet it's impossible to shed the admins and they are all on track for juicy benefits and pensions that are bankrupting the schools. it's hard to shed obsolescence (including dead wood faculty). the insitution is demoralized and crumbling. let's find another way to make a living that isn't so cynical and soul-destroying. education as a commodity that is regulated by market forces is the lethal analogy that has killed universities.
Your title led me to make an economic point. There are two major markets in the US in which prices have risen at 3-4 times the rate of inflation over the past 30 years. These are Health Care and College. A market with this rate of price growth, many times faster than inflation over a long period of time, is generally deemed a monopoly. We Americans pride ourselves on espousing free markets, but neither the college nor the health care market is a truly free market. For consumers there is little real choice, and little real competition. jr
Kent this is a great article...coming back later to comment more in depth but it's an ugly situation for a lot of students with too much debt. Education is one thing but the necessity of limiting your job searches in order to pay off your student loan load is something different.
Kent,
Great post. Just from personal experience, I'm now caught in the hole myself. I have a college-age daughter who will be a freshman at a top state school. In the meantime, I teach at a state school. I make less than half of what you say the average professor makes, (those numbers tend to get skewed, by the way, by colleges with medical faculty who are making in the quarter-million dollar range). So, I'll be getting more poor as a college teacher trying to give my daughter a college education. And so it goes.
Interesting ideas. The problem is that this is a treadmill. If you have a kid soon to enter the system, or if you're currently in it, you can't get off. Even if I believe that a college education might not have all that much more value than volunteering for Americorps or working abroad for a year, I've been on hiring committees in large companies. I know how resume screeners work. No degree, no job. No degree, don't even get past the HR desk.

It's like complaining about the government or the public school system. There's very little that the cog in the machine can do about the machine's design. We just have to hold on and hope we don't go broke. (My kids are 9 and 11... it's not that far off for me).
Kent,

Sorry I missed this the first time around.

“The first goal of college must be to get a proper basis for getting started with a job, and preferrably a career. Anything beyond that is great, but is not a basic educational requirement.”

I know this is the way of things, but I’ve never understood the concept that “education” is about job training. It seems to me that that is the first mistake made, and all the others follow from that. I can see job training as a type of education but education, as a broader concept, is not job training.


“The focus needs to be on getting people grounded in the skills they need to compete in a highly competitive global job market that requires modern skills to be efficiently delivered. This is no longer the American century, and what will assure our citizens get jobs that feed them will not be the location in which they were born, it will be the best preparation we can give them at a price we can afford to pay.”

With outsourcing such as it is, jobs going to people in other countries where wages are so much lower, I’m not sure this holds up.

“Mandatory Public Service. I especially like this idea. Of course, as is true with all your suggestions, the issue will still be how to pay for this.

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Students do get benefit from small class sizes, but no one can take anyone past a certain point, even me :), actually especially me, so there are limited economies of scale.
I think per the MIT thing that certification by test a la the actuaries and the CFA certainly has a place too for many people.
And if you could encourage better K-12 in terms of a Liberal education in classics, then you could eliminate lower distribution classes which would help majors with lots of specifics, although I personally think that the Chicago approach has much "humanity" in it, and it is not clear that all 17 year olds can really process Moby Dick in high school.
Of course, that is what book clubs are for too.
Edgar, I moved your comment and my reply to The Cornfield.