Kent Pitman

Kent Pitman
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I've been using the net in various roles—technical, social, and political—for the last 30 years. I'm disappointed that most forums don't pay for good writing and I'm ever in search of forums that do. (I've not seen any Tippem money, that's for sure.) And I worry some that our posting here for free could one day put paid writers in Closed Salon out of work. See my personal home page for more about me.

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APRIL 17, 2009 11:57PM

Rule of Law

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“Rule of law.” I like the sound of that. And yet, what exactly does it mean? Wikipedia suggests it is a “general legal maxim according to which decisions should be made by applying known principles or laws, without the intervention of discretion in their application.”

Personally, I would sum it up by contrasting it with “might makes right.” Rule of law isn't about having a powerful leader do something and then just defining that something as right; it's about following pre-established rules and procedures even if you're the leader.

I applaud the situations in which Obama has, in fact, returned us to the rule of law. But I'm starting to believe there are a number of cases where Obama exercises as much discretion as Bush in questionable areas and where he seems to seek to distinguish himself by using better judgment, by coming to a better conclusion.

“There are no political answers,
   only political questions.”

Kent Pitman
(in a technical forum, 2001)

I've evolved a tool to help me sort out certain tricky kinds of political issues. The tool is embodied in my claim that “there are no political answers, only political questions.” What this emphasizes is that there is no such thing as a neutral position on a political matter, there are only positions that people hope will not be spotted as equally political. And so when one spots an answer to a question that seems political, it's important to backtrack in the conversation to find the question itself, and then to explore its other answers (including the status quo), and to view each of these as a political outcome as well, not as somehow intellectually neutral.

In this case, it would seem that Obama either thinks or wants us to think that pursuing a prosecution of Bush and his administration for war crimes (waterboarding, for example) would be politically motivated—but that not pursuing it is not politically motivated. Cynics and conspiracy theorists might say he's trying to fool us; I'm not so sure he's not fooling himself as well. But either way, the objective truth is that it's the question that is political, and the question definitely exists already and cannot be avoided.

Bush may have violated the law. Has he? We don't decide such things as matters of fact within the US except by application of a court of law. And how would we proceed to do that? Well, we do employ an Attorney General. The US Department of Justice explains that the Office of the Attorney General “evolved over the years into the head of the Department of Justice and chief law enforcement officer of the Federal Government.” You'd think his job was to enforce the law by invoking the appropriate legal mechanism. But apparently not.

And so we return to that pesky phrase “rule of law” because the question is how much discretion is exercised by the Attorney General. Because on a matter of this magnitude, which is, appropriately enough, the metaphorical elephant in the room, to exercise discretion is to say that there is no rule of law.

Ironically, one of the most offensive things about the Guantánamo situation is that we don't even know if the people there are innocent or guilty, because they have never been offered a trial. It seems likely that many are guilty, but it's the trial that decides. One of Bush's greatest offenses is to substitute his judgment for a court's. And some would like to say that Bush was a criminal for having done this, but we can't say that either. A trial is needed. And now a different President is substituting personal judgment for due process.

There exists a political question. That fact cannot be avoided. Having the President turn a blind eye is not a process. There is a notion of “due process” for resolving matters such as these. The prosecutorial trial system is a process, one that's due.

due   -adj

...
3. Such as (a thing) ought to be; fulfilling obligation; proper; lawful; regular; appointed; sufficient; exact; as, due process of law; due service; in due time.
...

Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary

If the trial system cannot be trusted to resolve such matters as these, at least have the decency to change the process to say what the rule is. If it's “in certain matters, the President just decides,” then do us the courtesy of changing the law so that we can know and discuss the policy. We purport to be a nation of laws, so let's make the law and the practice of law align. If we can't do that, have we improved since the previous administration?


Footnote

Don Geddis observes that there is still a place for prosecutorial discretion, and I certainly didn't mean to suggest otherwise. He suggests, as an example, that where there is insufficient evidence, it might be appropriate not to prosecute. I agree. But the places where I want to see such discretion exercised should be on the technical merits—is there sufficient evidence to bring a case (which I think has to meet the standard of “probable cause” or some similarly preliminary level of proof sufficient to build a prima facie case); that indeed requires some human discretion. But where I don't want to see prosecutorial discretion used is in the style of a Jedi mind trick where someone says to an official “these are not the people you should be prosecuting” and then suddenly there is nothing to prosecute or defend. I'll have more to say about that in another post sometime soon, I hope.


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Other articles on the topic of prosecuting war crimes:
Obama Administration Releases Torture Memos (Saturn Smith)
The Memos Don’t “Shock the Conscience” of Obama (Christine Smith)
The Ethics of The President's Decision on Torture (Monte Canfield)
Take Action: Demand Justice for Torturers w/NUDITY (Behind Blue Eyes)
Torture: Principles and Practicality (Tom Cordle)
Obama and Torture: Did He Say Just Following Orders? (Libertarius)

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Obama is just as bad as Bush and time will prove it out. He fears due process on the torture issue because many high level currently serving members of his own party are complicit. Prof Loo did an excellent job explaining Obama's limitations today over at Monte's thread. monkey fingered.
Who expects a President to respect the rule of law when we as a nation do not? As outrage after outrage has come to light over the past several years, we gave a collective yawn. In Rome's decline, whoever was made the new Caesar was always expected to save them and I'm sure they had many discussions like this on how to make things better. All you can really do is fix your own morals and hope everyone else does the same (but of course you still have to fix yours even if no one else does).
I'm with you on the general point, that the further the administration goes down the path of non-prosecution, the closer to moves to the position of the past administration. But I don't think it's yet been proven that Obama's not willing to let Holder pursue prosecutions -- particularly of the Bush-administration lawyers, like Bybee, "independent" of the White House. In fact, I think by releasing these particular memos, which hang some very deserving lawyers out to dry, they're trying to make the case that pursuing certain members of the administration would be non-political, but instead a matter of the rule of law.
BBE, I don't really mean to be convicting Obama in the media nor indeed to I profess sufficient ESP to guess at his motives. I'm mostly here just trying to lay out a plan for how I want him to analyze this.

Kathy, thanks for stopping by, reading, and weighing in. :)

Harry, I'm not sure what you mean by we as a nation do not. I think in fact there's every evidence that the people on main street do largely respect the rule of law.

Saturn, I've not given up hope. I'm made nervous but I'm in a kind of wait and see mode. (sound of scribbling—you just reminded me of another possible post topic)
Wait-and-see isn't a bad place to be three months into a new administration. It's better than duck-and-cover.
Saturn, I consider it mostly a matter of personal ethics: If I'm going to judge him harshly later for not attending to this in a certain way I should have the courtesy of saying so.

But this is the import of the remark I made in comments on your toture memo post, Saturn, where I said maybe he's trying to get people to cry out for it, so he doesn't appear to be initiating it. I'm mostly ok with it, except that it does make him look like he's oblivious right now.

I'd feel better if he said explicitly “It's an important issue, but this Presidency has many issues that are important, and right now my focus is on things that are affecting the public more dierctly.” That would open the door for people to make it a bigger issue, would acknowledge that he thought it was non-trivial, but would explain why he was busy elsewhere. By not facing it directly, even for just a moment, that's what creates the intellectual obstacle. Even if he's busy with other things, I can't believe he hasn't thought about this.
A far as crying out goes, the line to White House was very busy today. It took me 30 minutes to get through. Same for my Senators/Congressional Rep.

If you didn't call today to encourage Obama to do the right thing, follow the rule of law, etc, Monday will be here soon enough. The phone number for the White House Comment line, a link to an easy letter generator, and petitions galore can be found at my place.

Perhaps your call or letter will be the tipping point for Obama.
Yeah, the slow-simmering frustration I have is that clearly he has thought about it -- ending torture was his first executive order. So clearly he knows it's wrong and clearly he knows it's important; therefore there has to be a reason for the delay. If it's to prime the political environment or to better stir public outrage, I'm fine with that -- and I hope it is that, because those are the best reasons I can think of for not saying explicitly that he's just biding his time.
BBE, yeah, I used to routinely send mail to president at whitehouse.gov in previous administrations, but Obama seems to have shut that down. I guess I need to learn the new incantation. I do regularly click through to senators on a variety of issues.

Saturn, the cynical view would be that he's worried someone will prosecute him later and that professional courtesy dictates that each president absolve the previous, so that each will know they will eventually be absolved and can get work done without fear.
I used whitehouse.gov to send him an email for good measure this afternoon. So perhaps it is back up since the last time you tried to vent.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/CONTACT/

Nordonk has a very concise and well documented blog up today that makes the case Obama is now a war criminal as well. As you mentioned, this is incentive for him to not pursue prosecutions as a way to cover his own ass. Barack Obama, War Criminal?
If you want to make the contention that our rampant loss of liberties, domestic spying, reckless Presidential expansion of powers, torture and a blatant resource war of another country is indicative of a "main street" that respects the rule of law, then all I can say is hey, whatever gets you through the night.

But it's not reality. Don't just blame the [anti-Christ 43rd President] for our problems. Do you know who puts liars into office? Not honest people, I can tell you that. Our government is a byproduct of who we are.
No, the email address used to be what I mentioned (president at whitehouse.gov) and you used to be able to send from Outlook. But if you send there now it tells you that it isn't being read. It was possible under Clinton and under Bush. Obama makes you send it from the web site.
Harry, main street means the public who are not in office. They didn't cause the lack of liberties. A small number of people in power did.
I have a little quibble with your "everything should be decided in a court of law". There is still a matter of prosecutorial discretion. Namely, there is some amount of evidence available, and the question is whether it is worth pursuing a court case.

Because defending oneself in a court case carries enormous costs. So just the mere decision to try a case in court is a significant one. There were reasonable arguments that Bill Clinton was treated unfairly by Ken Starr.

It isn't sufficient to say: just try it in court, and see what the outcome is. An abuse of such a power by prosecutors would wind up with politically unfavorable folks being overwhelmed by an unending series of court cases.

(I don't mean to claim that this is the situation with regards to Bush and war crimes. I merely point out, that it's a legitimate function of prosecutors, to decide whether or not to pursue a case in court. Just because they decide not to pursue a case, doesn't mean they are breaking the law. And similarly, being tried in court and being acquitted, is not costless.)
I agree, Don, and didn't mean to imply that. I guess I thought from context it was pretty clear there was a serious case that could be made, and that the public is in no doubt about that case. Certainly at least as clear as anything they went after Clinton for, as you effectively note. And I don't mean to say there should be no discretion on any part. But the discretion should be on the “is there evidence” and “is there probable cause” and other traditional standards. Discretion ought not be on the question of “I don't think this case matters” or “I'm not sure the American people want to be bothering with this” or “I'm not sure this is a good law” or whatever other standard is being applied here.
Anyone who thought Obama was going to be an idealist has misread both the man and his book, The Audacity of Hope. In it, he reveals himself as a realist, though a generally optimistic one, and an opportunist, though not necessarily a selfish one.

Here's my take:

Tortured Principles Temporary Practicality
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Good analysis, Kent. I'll just add that when I think of "rule of law", I tend to view its opposite as "rule of men": tailoring laws and justice to the people who are involved. There's a reason Justice wears a blindfold.
Yes, I agree, Rob. I have more coming on that. This was just a piece of a larger thing I was working on. Stay tuned.
The question, political or not, is not whether the law was broken. Obama has made it clear that he believes it was. His decision not to prosecute then is not an unwillingness to determine the existence of crime, but rather a refusal to confirm the existence of crime, which would put the consequences of punishment in play. As I have articulated in a separate post, his explicit reliance on a just following orders excuse for the CIA agents (and an implicit reliance thereon for their superiors) is in many respects more problematic, ethically and politically, than the decision not to prosecute itself. Obama's rationale puts us way past any "wait and see" stage with this administration on the question of human rights. For whatever reason, and I believe it is because he is profoundly conflict-averse, Obama has decided not to stand on the principle of "rule of law" in this area. Even worse he has articulated an outright betrayal of that principle. To whit, our guys are men of good faith; men of good faith do not torture intentionally and with lawlessness aforethought; therefor we will not prosecute them as we insist other governments prosecute their agents of outrage.

Those supporters successfully convincing themselves that Obama's "time of reflection" is anything other than an outright dodge of the legal action needed remind me of John McCain trying to decry torture and defend the Bush Cheney regime at the same time. I would remind them in turn, if your leader connives at the culture of hostility or indifference to human rights for all, then at a certain point making excuses for him becomes a measure of connivance as well. Think about it. We don't want to become like those conservatives and Republicans who were much better, more thoughtful, more ethical, than Bush-Cheney but allowed their loyalty to their guys to corrode their principles beyond recognition.
Very well done, Kent. You have nicely covered the necessary bases. Obama's winking refusal to even investigate before the CIA was given a pass is the one that pisses me off most, but you cite other ones as well, and I am sure there a are many more that he will be forced to take a stand on shortly.

Excellent. And thanks for the link to my latest on this issue.

Monte
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I'm not surprised by Obama's actions, or lack thereof, but rather by all those who are so surprised by all this.

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What I find most dismaying is that the guy was a Constitutional lawyer, and now his urging of reflection is a wink and a nod to we the "little people" and the Constitution; cruel and unusual punishment, and the mandatory allegiance to alliances . . . Geneva Conventions.

I am not for seeing the poor slobs prosecuted, as in Abu Ghraib/Grainer, the highest ranking on the totem pole, a master sergeant, but if the bigger fish are allowed to just give speeches, appear on television, write editorials, etc, then the myth of a constitutional or representative democracy, is just that a myth: and obama is as guilty and complicit as pelosi and crew.

Trying to rival Dennis in long sentence writing.

Great stuff, Kent, Monte, Saturn, BBE, Tom and others - all rated.