Kent Pitman

Kent Pitman
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New England, USA
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Philosopher, Technologist, Writer
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I've been using the net in various roles—technical, social, and political—for the last 30 years. I'm disappointed that most forums don't pay for good writing and I'm ever in search of forums that do. (I've not seen any Tippem money, that's for sure.) And I worry some that our posting here for free could one day put paid writers in Closed Salon out of work. See my personal home page for more about me.

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MAY 25, 2009 7:15PM

Bambi, Uncola, Dakini, Katrina, 9/11 and Climate Change

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Death

The viewing of the movie Bambi is one of modern society's ritual introductions of death to children. It's a difficult concept to explain. As a young child, in probably first or second grade, I recall having spent many long hours, including many nights where it was hard to get to sleep, obsessing about death. I did the math and worked out that most people live to at least sixty or seventy or some impossibly large age like that. Whatever the number, I recall finally coming to the conclusion that it was something like ten lifetimes away. A comfortably long time. Nothing to worry about. And time passes slower when you're a kid, too, so that added to the buffer I felt.

As a teenager, I lost my dad suddenly, to a drunk driver. I had never really known people to die. I came to see death differently. It almost wasn't the thing itself. That was quick. But it was the staying dead that was hard to grapple with. I recall sometime later being frustrated that he was still dead. Death is so darned permanent.

It's part of growing up, I suppose, to grapple with the fact that part of life is death. The fact that it can happen. We'd like to believe it can't. We try to ignore it lest it consume us full-time all the time, but then it hits all the harder if it does. We do not allow ourselves to conceive of the loss of any one of us. It's too complicated to imagine all the adjustments we'd have to make, so we put it off until we have to.

Cyberspace adds an odd wrinkle, too. We often don't recognize the societal texture it creates nor think of those among us who make it up. We're apes and used to looking into the eyes of our friends. I started using the net in 1977 and had my first telecommuting job in 1978. I had net friends from all around the country. And I think it was in 1979 when the one named UNCOLA (our user names were 6 letters or fewer, in all capital letters), who had written the UNTALK program—a fancy version of a talk program that allowed two people to have a split screen, typing in one half of the screen and reading the typing of the other person in the other half of the screen—committed suicide. He left a note in the description part of his login ID saying “see you on the dark side of the moon.” Friends of mine who followed the music of the time explained to me that this was a lyrical reference. With that brief statement, he was gone. Not a close friend, but someone I knew. A reminder of the tenuous human fabric that makes up our lives, and how easily it is torn.

In my mind, I recall it as him dying “on the net,” though of course he died in the real world and I just learned about it on the net. But our friends live on the net, and so in our perception they die there, too.

Sometimes when people die I am sad for them, but once in a while another emotion crosses my mind that I'm never quite sure what to make of. I think “at least no one can bother them any more” or “they have finally become what they were to become.” It's possible to view life as a process that has ended, but it's also possible to view it as creating something that transcends one's time. One builds the best legacy one can, and then one leaves it to stand on its own. I never used UNTALK without thinking of UNCOLA.

The Counting

I worked for a company, Symbolics, for a long time in the 1980's and into the early 1990's, when it finally went bankrupt. How I personally fared in all of that is a tale for another day, but what's relevant at this moment is that suddenly at one point there were layoffs. People didn't understand this well because in those days you only got fired for cause, and layoffs were a new thing to us. Someone getting fired usually meant they were people you didn't like anyway, and might be happy to see go away. But this was people who were our family, who we didn't want to go, who were torn from us abruptly, like a death. They brought in grief counsellors, who over a matter of weeks helped the staff who remained behind to adjust. It was a long, complicated thing coming to grips with the issue.

Unfortunately, layoffs at Symbolics didn't happen just once. They happened again, and again many more times, as the company dwindled in size from more than a thousand to less than 200, and we all became more efficient at coping. After a while, one knew the signs. One checked quickly to see if they were in the crew of people staying or going. People staying went to the room where they announced the casualties. People who'd been cut went to their offices to pack. Everyone back to work and life moving on by 11am. No more grief counselling. Just business cranking along.

I'm reminded of some movie I saw once, and a quote I'd love to relate with exactness. Only the essence of it sticks in my brain. It was a reference to World War I, which the person referred to by saying something like, “We called it the Great War, before we had the presence of mind to realize we needed to number them.” I guess the thing that struck me about that is that when the first of something happens, one often doesn't think “first of many,” or if they do some friend gives them grief about being at least negative if not an outright doomsayer.

In my mind, I still think of UNCOLA as a unique case. Death almost defines him. He is the one that died. But we all will. And there will not be so much ceremony for the others. Society cannot afford it. That event was for our community a kind of collective viewing of Bambi, a realization that it could happen. After that, we were not as much children as we had been.

Recently with the death of Dakini Dancer, this community endured the same. I didn't know her but I understand the void she left, with the sudden realization among people here that it could and would happen. Kellylark's If YOU Die, How Will I know? grapples with the problem directly, for example. Many others wrote their tributes.

At least in a place like Open Salon there is a legacy of writing that we all leave to the future, and so upon our death we can say we have become something and left something. Even those of us without religion can have an afterlife here, as we do in all the people and places our lives have touched.

What Mourning We Afford

Many tributes were expressed to Dakini, but I'll bet that not as much will be said when others die later. There are too many in the community and the community will not bear a two day period of mourning for each of us that falls away. That isn't to begrudge the time spent on marking Dakini's passing, but rather to say to those whose personal friends are not similarly heralded in the future, this doesn't mean those people are less of value.

Part of what people are going through right now is the loss of an individual. And that loss is real. But partly they are working through the concept that loss can and will happen. And they will become, of necessity, practiced at that, as we were at Symbolics when layoff after layoff caused each of our hearts to ball up and insulate us from the human aspects of the casualties around us.

This would happen for any such trauma.

We are outraged by Hurricane Katrina, but I sometimes find strange comfort in the notion that there are so few Katrinas thus far—that they still have names and not just numbers. I'm not bullish on Climate Change and so, doomsayer that I seem to have become, I expect worse things to become more common, and for us to look back on Katrina and long for the day when we could confront such problems one at a time. If Climate Change worsens, and more cities suffer problems, the reactions of other cities in the future may well be “leave us alone, we have our own problems.”

We bemoaned the loss of the twin towers in New York because we had the luxury of time in which to do so. Had there been more such attacks, we might quickly have learned we didn't have the time. We fight wars in which any given day may be, for those who participate, as horrific as 9/11. But we don't mourn the individual days and events. We compartmentalize it, package it up, aggregate and consolidate it—all ways to keep from individually confronting the details at a level we all know is morally called for, but that we all know would bring civilization to a standstill if we had to do.

At some point, life is for the living, and so we budget a day—or perhaps a weekend—per year to look back on all that has come before us, and then we get on about life.


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Kent,
I hear what you're saying. I think part of it is that, as you get older, folks die more frequently, and we find that if we spend as much time mourning them as we did the first time someone we loved died, we'd spend a lot of time in mourning. I watch older people--in their 70s, say,--whose friends are dropping like flies, and I wonder how they cope.
Right now, I'm coping with the fact that several people I know all have cancer. It seems as if there's been a spate of it. Two years ago, I didn't know anyone who had cancer, except my former MIL, and now, it's all around me.
Does it mean I feel it any less? No. I've just learned, as you say, to compartmentalize it so that I can continue on with my life.
Still, I mourn, I grieve, I process. And I hope, each time, that it won't happen again.
I remember researching into Russian peasants during Anton Chekhov's time. They were so inundated by the deaths of infants, due to wretched nutrition and no healthcare, that they became fatalistic about it. Every Sunday they went to church, there would be a line of little coffins in front of the congregation to be buried that week. They wouldn't name a new-born child for a year because that would lead to too much attachment to it--it could die in that first year.
a great post, Kent. Thanks for these thoughts. I'll be thinking about it for a bit.
As usual, a well thought-out post, Kent. I'm not sure I necessarily agree with how any (or all) of us would handle the loss of another member of OS in the future. It has been said time and again that for many of us, we are MORE of who are in this community online than we sometimes can be in real life. Thus, the real sense of loss and the outpouring of tributes and memorials. Anybody who is willing to expose the raw nerves and true essences of themselves in writing publicly to a group of virtual strangers as many do on OS, is reaching beyond a screen to be understood and accepted in ways that in everyday life might not be possible.
I certainly don't wish that we lose another member any time soon, but for me, I don't think I would simply file it under "there goes another one" and brush myself off and move on. I hope I never become that way, on line or in my daily life.... If anything, Dakini Dancer's death has highlighted our ability to transcend the internet and *feel* in ways that other sites simply don't allow or afford by the very nature of what we do here every day. Even though OS is sure to grow exponentially in membership, I hope the core of that feelings never changes.
FLW, I hear you on that as well. I don't think we feel it less. We just comparmentalize better. I'm sorry for what you're going through with your friends, by the way.

Max, thanks for sharing that bit of history. That's a very sad thing about the delayed naming, but I guess it was a help to those who had to go through that. We do what we have to in order to cope.

odette, I'm glad if this offers you useful thought. I wrote it mostly because I needed to. I wasn't sure if it would resonate with anyone else. These things strike people in very personal and differing ways.
Cartouche, I wasn't trying to place a limit on what we would do, and I hope I didn't sound dismissive. But there is a chance that someone else will go and that there will be a sense of competition or a need to be equal about the attention shown. And I wanted to make the point that the amount of show afforded to someone is not necessarily equivalent to the amount of caring that people have, perhaps as a way of saying that such people should not feel guilty if they just don't have it in them to do the same amount of public writing a second or third or fifth time. I suggested to Joan that they make sections (politics, culture, food, ...) and add obits to the sections (it doesn't have to only talk about our people—people die all the time in the real world) so there was a place to talk about such things without it stealing stage from what others might be doing. Part of growing up as a community is to fully integrate all facets of life into our culture in a sustainable way.
With time and experience I think we handle life and death very differently. When one of my best friends died when we were 14, it was a scene of unimaginable grief at her funeral. None of us were able to comprehend fully that she was gone as if a switch had been thrown. By contrast when my grandfather was 90 he confided in me that he felt like the last of the Mohicans because all of his tribe save him were gone. But he said it without weeping, perhaps because by the age of 90 we are able to have more perspective on the rhythm of life and death.

That doesn't mean that a person's death affects us any less or we feel any less bereft at their passing. Perhaps it does indicate that we have some sense that once our tribe is gone from this world, we may be content to be next.
Back in my AOL days, we had a loose-knit community with a much tighter core, and one sad day, someone from the inner core died of cancer. We posted and emailed about our sadness, and there was talk of an online tribute, but then it fizzled and we kept our grief to ourselves. I do agree with you Kent that a groundswell of tribute might not happen every time. I didn't know Dakini at all and was awfully sorry to hear that someone from this community, who obviously touched a lot of other people, had slipped away into death. Firsts *are* significant and I appreciate the way you have framed the idea, the concept we all have felt, "If only we had known then..."
Coyote, it may just be that your grandfather drew some of his identity from his relationship to that community that had departed. It seems Star Trek always has something to say about these things. In this case I'll refer you to the original series episode Who Mourns for Adonais? (click on the title to watch it free from YouTube). There's also the TNG episode Relics but it's not available for online free viewing.
Thanks, Kent. I think both of those episodes are right on point. But no need to watch them again. Perhaps I'll just sit here and recite them word-for-word to myself. %;-)
Very thoughtful piece, Kent. I like it a lot, and it'll be worth my spending some more time thinking about the points you raise. In case I don't come up with anything more to add later, I'll leave these two bits:

One: I wondered when I was young, as I expect all children do, what the world would be like in the future--more than that, I wondered what I would be like in the future. Some of my thoughts (again, like those of all children born more than, say, 30 years ago) were about the milestone year 2000. I don't know how many times I counted forward to figure out that I'd be 37 in that year. (And now I realize that I was wrong all those years--I'd only be 36 on New Year's Day, turning 37 on my birthday in the yeare 2000. Oh, well.) All that year, an occasional feeling of mortality would steal over me, the thought, "When I was a child, I imagined what it would be like to be old. Now that time has come, and even if I don't feel old, I know I won't live forever."

Two: (Okay, I started to write this out, but it turned out to be so morbid that I can't continue--too depressing! Instead, I'll just wish my best to you and your family on Memorial Day.)
Rob, thanks for stopping by. Yeah, watching all those days like the date of creation of the HAL 9000 and the launch of the Jupiter 2 go by were certainly odd things. What caught me funny about the year 2000 was that I got a bug report from someone still running old code I'd written for TECO-based Emacs (which was expected not to still be running by the year 2000) complaining about a Y2K bug in some code I'd written. And, well, there's still first contact with the Vulcans to look forward to in 2063, assuming we survive the big 32 bit clock meltdown in 2027 or whenever it is. Just a few light-hearted thoughts to try to help you clear your head after whatever morbid thoughts you'd had. :)
Re: "Dark Side of the Moon"

It's a Pink Floyd album, released in 1973, "frequently ranked by music critics as one of the greatest and most influential albums of all time." It is also one of the best selling albums of all time, and remained on the Billboard 200 list "for 741 weeks".

Many of the songs touch on themes of insanity. (Sample lyric: "You raise the blade, you make the change, you rearrange me 'til I'm sane. You lock the door, and throw away the key. There's someone in my head, but it's not me.")
Kent,

Perhaps you are right when you talk about the idea of others being given less attention when there are future departures. We have to remember there are a few beloved members who are ill, and the mourning process was begun and is ongoing, regardless of the varying levels of fluctuating health and vigor. We have time to build our resistance to sorrow in the cases of folks who are facing the fact of their mortality...with all of us helping them through it in the best way we can.

The suddenness of Josie's death caught all of us off-guard, having no expectations about her well-being....the shock seemed to deepen with the mounting reactions from the community.

Like the means by which we measure visual phenomena, we see things by contrast. The fate of the Towers naturally over-shadow the attack on the Pentagon, and the crash of the passenger jet in Pennsylvania.

Similarly, we have to notice how easy it is to forget we are involved in two major wars at the moment......it seems we tend to notice in the context of the myriad other conflicts in the world, and our anguish is diluted.....It is hard to think of what else to say, because I do not know the solution....
Thanks for the background info, Don. Yeah, at the time probably most people other than me knew this. Since others discussed the matter, I found out soon enough what the origin was, though didn't know some of the other detail you just mentioned. It's safe to say I don't listen to a whole lot of music.
a set of compelling observations about life, virtual and otherwise
Gary, your perspectives are generally rich in insight and caring, and these remarks of yours are no exception. Sometimes there is no solution, and all we can do is observe and discuss and ponder. Thanks for stopping by.
I know that I wrote to you that the outpouring of love would be the same if anyone else went, but I think you are probably right. It's the coming to terms with the processing of the first anything (kiss, love, marriage, death) that makes it so intense. Interesting point Kent.
very profound, very thoughtful
Roy and old new lefty, thanks to you both for stopping in. Glad you got something to take away.

Julie, yes, I think firsts not only of this kind but the others you cite do have that specialness that is sometimes not quite to be repeated.
Kent,

Thanks for a thoughtful post.

Time DOES pass slower when you’re a kid; it’s an interesting phenomenon. I don’t generally feel badly for a person who has died, but rather for their family and loved ones who now must deal with that loss.

I remember the first time I went to a funeral. I was really young, maybe 7 or 8 years old, and I remember feeling sad for everyone who was sitting there crying. I had not really known the person who had died, and did not feel a real sense of loss, but I did feel a sense of sadness for everyone who was crying. Of course, when we are actually close with someone who has died, the sense of loss overwhelms us. I think Gary Justis’ remark is pertinent:

“Like the means by which we measure visual phenomena, we see things by contrast.”

Personally, I think American society, perhaps most “Western society”, is fairly cold-blooded by “contrast” with many other cultures. The nature of the competitiveness that is innate within that culture is not exactly accommodating to emotional needs and relationships. There was a time when up to about a year was considered a reasonable amount of time for family members to mourn the death of another family members, but now a reasonable time is often considered weeks or days, and if you aren’t back at work, you will most likely not have a job. And that is the norm; it’s all about jobs, competition for livelihoods, money, etc. Much of the humanity is simply not considered.
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One more comment about “Dark Side of the Moon”; as I recall, that album was largely inspired by the mental illness of Sid Barrett, who was an original Pink Floyd member but who left the band in ’68, supposedly due to his mental illness, which was supposedly made worse by excessive drug use. (I don’t know how much of that is true and how much is speculation.)
There's so much here that I'm afraid if I start responding with specifics, I won't stop. This is a very thoughtful and thought-provoking post. I seem to have always been conscious of death because it has been such a continual event in my world from an early age. Then my own cancer diagnosis brought my own mortality into focus. I am glad that I still feel some of the shock and pain of death in spite of having regular encounters with it.

You make a good point. There will be other deaths among our community and each will be handled in its own way, some mourned quietly by a small group of friends, some acknowledged and mourned across the larger community, just as it is in the offline world.
Excellent post, much to ponder.

After the death of my late husband, I began to plan for my own (some details in response to JKBrady's post on how our virtual friends could be informed), but it's really a theoretical exercise at this point. Sometimes I feel my mind skitter around the coming event (no, no - no time-line and I feel fine), and I contemplate deaths before me.

As I get older, I contemplate the coming deaths of contemporaries... I don't feel all that philosophical about it all... But, as with everything else that comes our way, we live (or die) thru it, because we have no other choice.

I think a special OS obit section is a great idea. Cuz there's gonna be more, and any time... It would be like a virtual graveyard that we could visit FTTT (and place virtual flowers)...
Rick, thanks for all the thoughts. About the time of mourning, I'm of mixed minds: On the one hand I guess I'm with you in mourning the loss of mourning (meta-mourning, I guess). On the other hand, I often think the cure for a lot of that stuff is structure. I think that's why society has well-articulated mourning rituals, so that people can feel they did something when really there was nothing to do. So whether it's an explicit structure or just the lack of time to sit and wallow, there's some benefit in shortening the timeline. In analyzing what people need, I tend to go back to the jungle, assuming we have tens of thousands or perhaps millions of years of evolution (depending on where you count not the beginning of man but the beginning of emotion, which many including me would say go well back into the animals from which we evolved) backing this up. And there, I assume we are mostly socialized to just move on. I think mourning dead friends is an evolved notion, one strikingly documented in elephants, for example, but even then, the needs of life do not allow entities (humans or otherwise) to shut down—there is still food to be foraged for and predators to be protected from. So I conclude that intellectually we are adapted to move on when necessity calls on us to; it doesn't do us lasting damage to do it. In a way, mourning seems to me a luxury of a successful society, and perhaps its loss is more an indicator of our society having backslid some. Maybe that was your point, though. I just have to get to these things in my own roundabout way, I guess.
I don't want to diminish your commentary on death but a lesser death by layoff at IT companies is also your subject. A friend of mine works at a similar company which has had layoffs for years. She refuses to go to the communal room to learn if she has been laid off. Instead she goes outside and sits on a picnic bench and says, "If you want to fire me you have to find me and tell in a personal way. I'm not making it easy for you." She has yet to be laid off.
Susan and Myriad, thanks to each of you for visiting and sharing your respective personal pain and your perspective that comes from it. We all hope we'll be around for a long time, but life is sometimes a weird game of musical chairs.
Kent,

You write, “In a way, mourning seems to me a luxury of a successful society, and perhaps its loss is more an indicator of our society having backslid some. Maybe that was your point, though.”

That was my point, and I think you make it stronger with your assessment of a “successful society”. Of course, that success is based on other than monetary assessments.
JK, I imagine if there were a section at all that it would be natural for it to focus on people within the community in cases where there were such. We all hope they're well-spaced-out, of course, but who knows.

Rick, of course, I'm reminded of the story of someone finding a man on a beach in Mexico or some such place, I don't recall precisely, and trying to convince him to come to the US, the land of opportunity. Why? the man asks. Because you could make a lot of money. And what would I do with the money? Buy things, go on vacations. Vacations? To where? Well, you could visit this beach... But I already live here and can come any time I like, the man replies. So, yes, Rick, wealth is measured in various ways.
Dorinda, didn't mean to skip over your comment. I'm glad your friend has survived, though I think at most places managers really do agonize about who to let go. I suspect the ritual activity of going to another location to await the outcome is not what's keeping her employed—maybe she's just good at what she does...? :)
Live is for the living - that statement contains worlds. Nice post, Kent.
um, that was "life" not live - damned nonediting comment function...
Sandra, thanks for stopping by ... twice even. Always glad for those all-important follow-up comments. :) And happy as well that my closing statement worked for you. I worried a little that people might think I was sounding callous there, though I didn't mean to be.
Kent
Ruminations on things passing seem to occupy a goodly fraction of my thoughts these days. Is it possible this is just an age thing – like the book Passages? Don’t know, I read that too long ago to remember much beyond “everyone feels like this at 30” and realizing that was exactly as I felt at the time.

What you are speaking about, however, is not so much death as it is how a community like OS handle seminal events and then succeeding ones. Brave line of thinking to take on, especially given the outpouring of emotion over Dakini’s untimely passing.

The reference to 9/11 and the towers smoking and falling is an excellent comparison, but largely because not many of the current generation who would communicate this way (online) remember the smoking and sinking ships of Pearl Harbor as a current event, so they attach different, weaker emotion to it. Or perhaps it would be a better analogy to use the example of the early use of photography in a war and remember Gettysburg. Could we imagine people in the 1860s seeing those photos of their brothers, husbands and children rotting in long lines in the fields and then feel what they felt? Yet these other two events would have been as impactful in their time as seeing planes hitting the towers were for us. Each of us needs to learn to grieve anew and then each of us needs to realize that we are still living, so there are things to do.
Thanks, as always, for being so provocative.
I read this a few days ago, when I scurried in to drop a post and was inundated by the reactions to Dakini Dancer's death. I didn't know her, wasn't yet aware of her here, but certainly felt and understood the shock and grief the followed her passing. I totally get what you're saying.
Funny, too, an opposite experience happened to me when my mother recently died. Not only was I completely prepared (I thought) for her death, I have a history of phlegmatic reaction to death. Was I in for a surprise! It has been as though I'd never known anyone who died. So weird. It's not that I feel like an orphan, which many have suggested, it's that I thought I understood the finality of death, then she died and I was back in death nursery school.
Anyway, you've captured many of my thoughts and feelings about Dakini's death and death in general perfectly. Thank you.
gailrae, I'm glad I could offer some voice to your thoughts and perhaps even some reassurance based on the commonalities. Thanks for stopping in and sharing your own thoughts.
Tim, sorry, I didn't see you'd slipped comments in there. I guess I was a bit simplistic in some of this when I talked about a society growing up since indeed society is constantly renewing itself in waves, and only part of a society has shared experience, depending on whether they are the part before or after the experience. Your observations inject some very useful texture about the nature of shared societal pain and fleeting societal memory. Thanks!