Kent Pitman

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NOVEMBER 14, 2009 11:36PM

The Elusive Nature of Fairness

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As a byproduct of my work as Project Editor for a technical committee called X3J13, which produced the “standard” for a programming language called Common Lisp, [Liberty Bell] I learned many interesting things. One in particular is what I want to share today—a lesson about the elusive nature of fairness.

The subject matter of the standard I was working on is what most people would call highly technical or just plain nerdy, but you don't have to be a technical person or a nerd to appreciate this thing I learned, so please don't tune out. In spite of the occasionally nerdy-sounding organization name, I promise not to get gratuitously technical on you. This article is really about politics, philosophy, and life in general.

The standards created by American National Standards Institute (ANSI) are really just documents that carefully describe agreements made among members (which are usually businesses), assuring the consistent quality of products and services. The purpose is to allow interchange to occur smoothly between these members.

This would seem an obvious enough thing to want to do, except for the fact that normally businesses are heavily restricted by law from doing this very act. Antitrust legislation exists to prohibit such action, in order to keep players from being crowded out of a market by collusion among other vendors.

When I first started doing standards work, representatives of ANSI appeared to talk to us about the process. As I recall, they identified the primary function of standards-making bodies as “to avoid being sued.” After that, they explained, we were also allowed to make standards. It seemed to me almost funny, but I came to understand it was quite a serious matter, and a great deal of their process was designed to help achieve fairness.

They gave us each a big rule book that would help us navigate the process. Like Roberts Rules of Order, which we also used from time to time, I'm relatively sure most members did not read the complete rules. They trusted that rules were there to help them but they didn't always know precisely what those rules were. They imagined they would look them up when they needed them. However, importantly, they did not know that rules were there to aid them (or to work against them) even at times when they did not perceive a need.

Reading the rules seemed to arm certain participants with special powers they could invoke at strange times. As these rules were applied, everyone made a point to learn them, so the rules rarely caused a problem twice. But sometimes even a single application of them mattered a lot.

I came to think that the rules were not really fair because since it was predictable that some would not have read them, the people who had read them were at an advantage. You might think everyone should therefore just read them, but before they do, you might consider whether you yourself have read the complete set of laws that govern your own existence and behavior as a citizen of wherever you live. I'm going to bet most citizens, and even many of you reading this article, have not.

However, the alternative would be to not have rules. That didn't seem right. After all, when there are no rules, bullies rule. Rules exist for a purpose.

Now, you might think the answer would be to write shorter rules, so that people would be more inclined to read them. Perhaps. But then their precise meaning would be left to the interpretation of situation and to the person empowered to interpret them. That might not be fair either. So it's not what was done. The rules we had were very detailed, and so they often did not get read.

I suppose the lesson to be taken from this is a personal choice. Life is like that. You experience something and then draw on it in a personal way to guide future behavior. What I learned from this is the following:

Fairness is an abstract concept which we can conceive, but it has no uniquely determined, objectively correct form. In practice, it must be defined, since if there were no such process there would never be any end to bickering over what counts as fair. And yet, by becoming a matter of definition, rather than one of describing abstract truth, we create a process that will substitute for fairness, rather than one that will actually be fairness.

Those are the cards we're dealt in the world. It doesn't seem quite fair. But that's just the nature of fairness.


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The reason for my writing this post, in case anyone is curious, is that I was busy writing another post and I ran into this issue kind of in the middle of it. Try as I might, it kept expanding out of control and getting in the way of the main point I was trying to make. So I factored this out separately, and now I'm free to move forward on the other one.
I sometimes think that the word "fair" is one of the most overused and least understood words or concepts in the English language. I very much enjoyed hearing how you think about it. Where do you think the dividing line is between "fairness" and "justice?"
This is interesting, Kent. My initial reaction was to comment that everything would be fair if people merely paid more attention to how they'd feel if they were in the other person's shoes (the Golden Rule approach.) Then it hit me that your point is that each person has their own definition of fairness. Even though I might expect another person to act as I would act with regard to fairness, in reality, fairness in his/her mind would be defined according to his/her own experiences. Did I get that right? It's late here and I probably should have gone to bed long ago.
Lisa, yes, that's one of many things that follow from this. It's why we have both a House of Representatives (because counting people is important) and a Senate (because counting states is important). It's why there is a House of Lords and a House of Commons in the UK. It's why there are different rating services for products. It's why there are different political parties. No one has a lock on the one right way for things to be, all we can do is try to find some scheme that doesn't let the same people always win, and yet that scheme will have people who win and people who lose. Somewhat I mean this to say simply “at some point a sense of humor is required.” And somewhat I mean to say that it's good to try to be fair and (to bring Coyote's question into the picture) to be just, but you should know at the same time that the goal is elusive, that there will be those who are overlooked as a matter of necessity, and yet that need to be helped anyway. In the very best case, we'll make a health care system that we think is accessible to all and then we'll find new ways that such a system can exclude people. It's not an excuse to not try, but it is rather a reason for being understanding that sometimes trying and risking getting a few things wrong is all we can shoot for. There are times to tolerate imperfection and times not to, and it's a very difficult line.
Just to add one point to that: the tax code is a perfect example of something that is complicated presumably to ensure fairness, and yet by being complicated, probably only the rich can truly navigate its full implications, thus empowering those who cannot hire a full-time tax accountant. So through its goal of being fair, it is not. (Though some more cynical than I might chime in and say that it has no goal of being fair at all, only of obfuscating its unfairness with the excessive trappings of fairness. They might say the same about credit cards, about health insurance, and generally about all processes that require tons of documentation or skilled professionals to successfully navigate.)
Awesome essay - I just got done writing on my own post, in acknowledgment of a comment, that you are one of the reasons I so value OS, and it is because of thinking/writing like this. You always make me think of things in a different way. I've spent a lot of time with engineers in my life, and your writing always reminds me of the best of those times.
Thanks, Sandra. I had no idea whether this would be well-received, but just knowing that it reached someone makes me happy to have written it. It may seem like a small point, and even a disputable one. And at this point I almost take it for granted. But I remember being very surprised when I first realized that having rules of fairness might be, for all best intentions, not fair. It both made me outraged and more zen, kind of at the same time. It was a very odd feeling.
"complicated to ensure fairness?" the tax code? are you insane?

maybe i am, but i always thought the tax code was complicated because this is the primary tool that politicians use to buy votes. without the ability to reward supporters with public money, politicians would have to rely on probity, administrative excellence, and planning perspicuity for re-election.

you see the need for bribery of the politician, and reciprocal tax relief. it saves both parties having to be competent and public spirited.
Al, I don't necessarily disagree with you on this. I'm sure are several effects in play, including at least (a) out and out vote buying, (b) utter incompetence by well-meaning sorts who think that adding this and that special case will help one or more, and (c) people who are duped into putting something in under the guise of it being helpful when really it's cynically designed by someone who will use it for another purpose.
Al & Kent, re: Tax code. I'm sure there's lots of the corruption and pandering that you're talking about, going on in the tax code. But that's not the bulk of it.

The first part is Kent's "fairness". But, like he says in the main post, that's a matter of perspective. Is it "fair" to tax everybody exactly the same dollar amount? How about the same percentage of their income? No, we want progressive taxes, so people with higher incomes actually pay a higher percentage (not just more dollars). And why is that "fair"? Probably something about the diminishing utility of money, but the argument is subtle. But in any case, note that net worth is not taxed, just annual income. Note how this is different than property tax, which is taxed annually, just because you own it. Why is property tax fair, and income tax fair, but a national net worth tax is not fair?

So that just starts with Kent's point about fair. But that actual tax code also gets used for public policy. The government could just take a flat (or progressive) tax, and then refund various social programs separately. But instead, they often accomplish the same thing, more efficiently, by changing the tax code. So you can deduct mortgage interest from your taxes, or perhaps the cost of installing solar panels. These aren't "unfair"; they're just a parallel means of accomplishing government objectives, using the tax code instead of using some other government mechanism.

Then, on top of all that, you also have the corruption/pandering stuff. By the end, it's certainly complicated. And Kent is right; only the well-off can use it all. (Although much of what they use isn't even applicable to the poor.)
Home mortgage interest is, I have determined, most assuredly not a fair thing to deduct.... well, or more precisely, disallowing people to deduct other interest expenses is what's not fair. It means, as I've noted before, that if you buy a yacht and secure it against your house, you can deduct the interest on the purchase. But if I, for example, buy an improvement on my house, but do it on a normal credit card, my interest is not deductible. There are a lot of things that can be argued to be fair, but I think you'll have a tough time finding that to be one of them, Don. :)
And, by the way, getting back to Coyote's question about fairness vs. justice, I think in many ways they are the same. Sometimes justice has perhaps a more after-the-fact or cosmic sense to it, while fairness is often very in-the-moment. Or maybe that's just how it seems to me right now—if others have opinions, they should chime in. I do think that structurally the issues from this article apply equally well to justice. We have a “Justice System” but that doesn't mean it actually is justice, it's just what passes for justice. We try to make that the same thing, but we also try to make it predictable. And in making it predictable, we rule out the possibility of providing justice in ways that really require being unpredictable. A perfect example of this would be the number of people who went poor when the economy collapsed, while at the same time certain companies and individuals were getting rich. This is ascribable to the predictable in the system. There is certainly a possible model of justice (the one people learn in Church, for example) that allows for the possibility that lightning bolts will descend from the sky to smite those who profited unjustly. And there are those who think it wouldn't be completely inappropriate for the laws to be written in a way that provided for similar effects here on earth by more mortal means. But the trick is making the rules predictable. Most people seem to like that, at least most of the time.
Kent,

You write, “…by becoming a matter of definition, rather than one of describing abstract truth, we create a process that will substitute for fairness, rather than one that will actually be fairness.”

I found this statement troubling because it seemingly implies that you/we know what fairness is but can’t achieve it. Is that right? How do you define fairness? Is there an abstract truth that is fairness?

It occurs to me that perhaps agreeing to a definition of fairness is fairness, even if some people ultimately might benefit more or less. Fairness implies freedom from bias, not freedom from better or worse outcomes, or from lucky or unlucky.

The problem is that we don’t all agree to the rules by which we are forced to live, and not everyone plays by those rules.
I think the whole idea of 'fair' is designed to level the playing field, but those that are higher up the power grid are in a better position to find the loopholes and exploit them, giving them an unfair advantage, thus yielding them more power and more advantage.
Once they have achieved a certain power plateau, they are capable of manipulating the rules makers to change the rules to allow them even more power until the field is so slanted in their favor that those of lesser power are unable to compete. Sound familiar?
Rick, I think in practice I do tend to remind myself these days that fairness is, in some ways, an artificial and agreed-upon construct. But that becomes a too-easy out to allow certain bad things to happen. To pick a simple example, there are movies about submarines in which something happens and someone has to seal off part of the submarine to save the rest. This seems to happen in a high proportion of submarine movies. I guess it makes good drama. I hope it doesn't happen as often in real life. But my point is exactly about this hope. There's nothing unfair about what has happened to them; they have agreed to the rules that cause this to happen. They are usually career military, and as such volunteers. They usually are dying to save the ship. And yet we mourn their deaths. I think even highly rational you would mourn their deaths. You might not use those words, but you do.

I think there are two reasons for that. One is that the world is composed of multiple overlapping frameworks, so it's not as simple as saying this person agreed. He has to have agreed in all frames of reference, but has only agreed in at least one (perhaps several, but not all) of them. In general, life seeks a way. And in many cases, if it came down to a battle to the death, us versus them, many of us might turn the hatch ourselves and cause that death rather than die ourselves (though there are cases where people do just the opposite, so I won't claim an absolute). But my point is that we can imagine a situation in which it does seem fair, and that one situation relates to the fact of our own mortality, something to which inherently we can never have agreed to. Not being religious, neither you nor I have a Creator upon which to blame that unfairness, but I don't know which is a worse unfairness, to have a Creator that would voluntarily force such strife on people or to have no Creator and still to find no “ultimate recourse.” Either way, one sometimes wishes one could change the rules in that final game we all must play. And hence unfairness, never agreed to—too bad. :)
Michael, that's certainly a credible analysis for at least some circumstances. As with Al's response (and mine to him), I don't know that I think all circumstances are like that. But definitely I think there is a sense in which our nature asserts itself notwithstanding the set of rules in which we have created. The story of the turtle and the scorpion comes to mind.
It's an existential problem - every action produces a reaction (or something). Efforts at fairness can inadvertently produce unfairness - and the concepts are somewhat abstract anyway, plus different people see things differently.

I guess our system of justice (and, um, tax laws, etc.) are an effort to make some universally applied approximation of fairness that most of us agree to (more or less), and it's a very imperfect state of affairs, but vastly to be appreciated over the original systems of government under tyrants and war-lords and such. (And some system of government *happens* when people live together.) (Can be gangs or - and this was something I found cheering to my cynical soul - when in Peru I was reading about the shack settlements that have grown up on the outskirts of Lima that have become essentially self-governing units where the people cooperate to look after themselves...a legacy, I presume, of the rural life they've left.) (Tho I don't imagine those neighborhoods are gang-free!)

Anyway, final thought - the existential problem, the eternal war which hopefully finds a "fair" middle ground, exists within human nature too. We strive for fairness...and for an advantage. We're both social (and dependent) and individualistic. Outcomes are never going to be perfect, but some measure is the degree of satisfaction of the most people, I suppose.

By that measure, I think (as an example) the Canadian health system, under which I have the great good fortune to live, was based on the concept of the greatest degree of fairness for the greatest number of people. And it was put into operation on that basis. (By me, it works well.) The American system apparently is based on the idea that the economic battlefield will eventually somehow produce the best results. Invisible hand and all that. Obviously I think fairness has to be thought about and efforts made to put it in place (with the understanding that adjustments will be ever with us...)

So (still rambling on) one of the things about the U.S. is the idea (apparently, or so it looks from the outside...not that we're a completely different society here on this side of the border) that this (also somewhat abstract & theoretical) concept of *freedom* is fairer for the population than some kind of government-imposed redistribution of services... Home of the free and land of the brave (however that goes).
Myriad, I don't have a really specific response but I did enjoy your remarks. Some interesting perspective there. Thanks. :)
Eric, that's right—this is in the nature of approximations. It's hard to say thet true value of π but it's easy to say that, beyond a certain degree of approximation, 2 is not it. It may be hard to home in on the color of a perfect sunset, but probably lime green is not it.
re rules, the legal code of this country fills many volumes. it needs to be "refactored". bureacracies fail at simplicity. its the achilles heel. arguably related to the failures of 9/11. "silos" & compartmentalization.
Regarding America, Myriad writes, “…this concept of *freedom* is fairer for the population than some kind of government-imposed redistribution of services”.

Good point. This idea that we are “free” is a definite distortion of reality, so using that idea to support the idea that there is some kind of “fairness” in our system of providing anything, not just services, is totally ridiculous. People who oppose something like government sponsored healthcare are beyond needing healthcare because they have it, or they are corrupt, or they are just simply ignorant.

Yeah, we’re all free, but some of us are freer than others.
Kent,
Thanks for another thought provoking article. I love how the premise of these pieces begins with a question - which you answer well - while leaving the discussion open ended. That encourages thinking and productive debate. Thank you.

I believe most working definitions of fairness are, unfortunately, subjective in nature and therefore vary in their degrees of similarity or difference from one another. The “standard” for fairness also varies from issue to issue.

When the idea of adding a Bill of Rights to the Constitution was being debated, Alexander Hamilton argued that protecting specific rights might later be interpreted to imply that any rights not specifically mentioned were not protected. Jefferson, on the other hand, argued that, “Half a loaf is better than no bread. If we cannot secure all our rights, let us secure what we can."

I believe the debate over what constitutes fairness usually will generate similar discussions whenever it is begun. If protection is the basis for the argument, who and what is protected and why will inevitably be subjectively argued by those who have vested interests.

On this matter I lean toward the Jefferson approach. It is better to secure whatever fairness may be acquired for those most vulnerable than to allow for none.

Rated and appreciated.
Karin, thanks for stopping in and sharing your point of view. How do you feel about the fairness of credit card agreements? :)

Dennis, gee, I thought that by leaving it open-ended I was wimping out. Thanks for giving me this alternative way to perceive my failure to draw it to clear closure as a strength. Heh. Your quote about the protection of specific rights is very apropos to another post I'm working on... I'll see if I can work it in. But yes, that's a risk, and is the point of the ninth and tenth amendments, of course. And, ultimately, the fact that the nation was begun at all, even at the cost of 100 years of institutionalized slavery, was a surely-bitter victory for the Jefferson approach. It would have been nice if they could have secured better, but I'm likewise sure they did what they felt they could.
I really like this and wish that I had not been grading all afternoon. I have nothing intelligent to say left in me. Thanks for this.
whoop, thanks for stopping by to read anyway. :)
Good article and fascinating discussion. John Rawls had an interesting take on fairness/justice which asked people to imaging designing a social system with the possibility that they might be anyone in that system (he called it "the veil of ignorance", I think). You end up looking at tradeoffs and balance in an interesting way when you're not sure where you would end up. In any case, a big part of the issue isn't so much the rules of themselves but the acts of imagination by which we apply those rules to a particular situation. That's what tricky!
I like this post, Kent.

In law school, we had a class on "legal interviewing and counseling" - and one of the things that we learned is to never let a client, or opponent, or anyone, say that they just want what's "fair", without describing, in detail, what they think fair means, what the factors are that influence 'fairness'...

Fairness seems harder to define than 'justice.'
Ken, that's the analysis that I routinely apply when trying to work out what is politically proper.

My usual way to test a political theory is to take a kind of Monte Carlo approach and pick a random other entity or two to substitute in for agents in the theory to see if rules that purport to work well with person X will work as well with person Y or Z with different characteristics.

In fact, I have a post up tonight about Roe v. Wade that does precisely this analysis—trying to acknowledge that one might be in any position and to reach a midpoint in the abortion discussion, which I claim is, in fact, Roe v. Wade. I hope you'll drop by and see what you think about whether I succeeded in that level of objectivity (or I like the term ignorance). I agree it's not an easy exercise.
Dissed, that's a useful tip about understanding clients. But can you expand on even how you see the difference between fairness and justice. (I tried earlier in the comments. Do you agree with my analysis or do you have some other theory.) Thanks for stopping in!
Kenneth (and Kent): Rawl's Veil of Ignorance is a great way to think about things, but it doesn't really solve many of the hard ethical problems. The problem, of course, is that the answer you get depends a whole lot on what set of people (or entities) you take to be the group that you "might have been".

Do you count just US citizens? Just first-world humans? All six billion of us, including the billion that live on less than a dollar a day?

In 1770, a white landowner could not imagine that he "might have been" a black slave, so even using the Rawls construction, you don't wind up deciding that slavery is immoral.

And lest you think we're any better today, very few of us are vegetarians. Is it possible that you "might have been" a cow?

What about a mosquito? Or ant?

What about a rock? Does it make any sense to say that you "might have been" a rock?

In the end, people just use Rawls to justify the answer they wanted anyway, by defining the groups they care about as the "in" list, and others as "out" of the thought experiment.

So, it's not really a guide to ethical decision-making.
Don, I think the issue was, for me, a way of testing whether the rules work on the set they're intended for. For example, pro-Life communities are already part of our community, so a solution that presumes to serve only pro-Choice people is serving only part of the community. The hard part, I think, is what to do about very small sets. For example, is the difference between someone who eats only human flesh one of numbers or one of divergence from reasonableness. But I'm content to use the test that if the agents already presumed to be covered merely swap places, the rule should still work, golden rule style. If that makes sense. Less ambitious, more practical.
Kent: Ah, but I think the problem is that you're not fully seeing the issue from the perspective of the pro-life people. For them, the fertilized egg or fetus is also part of the set of who they "might have been". For them, an abortion doctor is a mass "murderer" serial killer, so killing the (adult) doctor is a simple calculation to save hundreds of "lives" while sacrificing only one.

You don't feel a close connection between yourself, as an adult, and a tiny embryo of a few cells. But how is that different from a 1770's slaveowner not thinking that blacks are "people"?

The Veil of Ignorance is indeed a clever way to sometimes see things from a different perspective. But so much depends on who you include in the set of similar people that you care about, before you even start thinking.
I've been thinking about this. I suppose the goal of fairness is closer to the new/old/tribal ideal of restorative justice, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restorative_justice rather than the current American ideal of retributive justice...

'Retributive' Justice is often unfair, because it is too focused. We look at a single incident, a single wrong, and try to address it. It doesn't look at the other factors that went into it, the whys and whats and hows...

you might be amused sometime to look at the difference between "law" and "equity" - an old-as-courts distinction which survives, to a very small extent, to this day.
Kent, you can count me among the set of people who never read the rules, at least not in their entire glory. I did try to understand the process implied and avoid tripping over any landmines.

But I always tried to focus on communication and negotiation rather than formal procedure. I thought it was great that there were people who put in the time and effort to track issues and comments. I didn't think I could do it any better, and it freed me up to try to get my point of view across, while understanding the other issues.

Not that I really succeeded that well. Sometimes it came down to either who was more driven, or overcoming apathy and inertia on an issue -- and especially, competition from all the other issues. I'm thinking particularly of the type system.

At times, I did feel my ideas weren't given a fair hearing. But I never felt there was anything about the system that was unfair. I don't think you can make rules that make someone think fairly about a particular topic! All you can do is ensure that the ideas have a chance to be put in front of them. Beyond that, it's up to your power of persuasion.

What surprises me in all these comments, is that nobody once mentions kids, and THEIR idea of fairness. Which is basically, if I don't get what I want, it's unfair. How they learn to get beyond that is really very subtle, slow -- and never complete. It does involve getting in the heads of someone else, considering it from their view, as in the "veil of ignorance".

But kids are very convinced that things SHOULD be fair, and CAN be fair -- even when it's the universe they're up against. The idea that the clock doesn't care about fair takes quite a while to get across.

I find one of the big challenges of parenting is teaching about fairness. Both how to BE fair, and the limitations of what fair really means.
Don, you wrote: For them, an abortion doctor is a mass "murderer" serial killer, so killing the (adult) doctor is a simple calculation to save hundreds of "lives" while sacrificing only one.

Now if only we could convince them that the ones we're aborting might grow up to be abortion doctors, they'd change their mind. :) ... Although, in fairness, I think the ones who want to shoot abortion doctors are a fringe segment, and many pro-Life people do not have such outlandish theories of justice. What's troubling is that the political leaders who encourage the pro-Life movement don't always seem very concerned about stopping such actions. (In this regard, it parallels the problem with Muslim terrorism. Many of us want to believe that Islam is a peaceful religion, but what is most frightening is the silence that occurs after a terrorist act that gets linked to Islam, when Islamic leaders are not out in force condemning it—that silence speaks volumes, as does the oft-heard silence of the Christian community when an abortion doctor is murdered.)
Dissed, I'll make a note to look those up. You don't have a suggested reference URL or anything, do you?

Bob, your remark was fascinating in light of something I read recently (I think in the book Blackwater, a remark by one of its founders) where the speaker was defining the present system of government as broken if it wasn't giving them what they thought was right. This is indeed a childish attitude, but sadly also a very dangerous one because many of these people are children with guns, teetering on the brink of their favorite quote from Tom Jefferson about refreshing the tree of liberty with the blood of patriots...