Kent Pitman

Kent Pitman
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Philosopher, Technologist, Writer
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I've been using the net in various roles—technical, social, and political—for the last 30 years. I'm disappointed that most forums don't pay for good writing and I'm ever in search of forums that do. (I've not seen any Tippem money, that's for sure.) And I worry some that our posting here for free could one day put paid writers in Closed Salon out of work. See my personal home page for more about me.

JANUARY 17, 2010 10:49PM

The Fragile Nature of Privacy Rights

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The privacy right is nowhere enumerated explicitly, yet is generally accepted as a critical right. [private - handle with care] In the constitutions of some states and of other nations, it exists explicitly. But for the US as a whole, it exists only implicitly.

The importance of privacy is evident in the First, Third, Fourth, and Fifth Amendments to the US Constitution, and is most famously found in the much-discussed “penumbra” of the Ninth Amendment.

Yet neither the Constitution nor its amendments anywhere says explicitly that Privacy is itself fundamental. Some see this as the whole purpose of the Ninth amendment, to assure that an oversight of this kind is not construed in favor of the Government at the expense of the People. But the omission still provokes controversy.

And so, yes, people fight about whether we do in fact have Privacy rights. Some say we don't. Some even think Privacy is just about hiding things, and that if you have nothing to hide, it's unimportant. (Such people have probably never been the victims of harrassment or stalking.) But even among those who think we do have a right to Privacy, its specific nature is elusive because it is nowhere spelled out.

This much I knew. But a new thought occurred to me. It's almost a detail. You might say it follows from the above and it's not new to you. But it was new to me. So I wanted to say it aloud, just to have said it.

Even if every person in the United States agreed that Privacy was intended to be guaranteed by the Ninth Amendment, it still has a lesser status as a right because an implication of this lack of being explicitly stated is that if it changes in subtle ways, there is nothing to measure the acceptability of that change against.

So if, for example, the government wants to read our email or peek at our bank accounts, how would we challenge that? Maybe if spelled out, a Right of Privacy would still allow this. Or maybe it would not. There is no way to tell.

And this also means that there is no supermajority requirement required to change it. Sure, it would take a supermajority to change the text of the Ninth Amendment, but in the shadows of its penumbra, where words give yield to fuzzy implications, a simple majority vote on a piece of legislation would be hard to rule unconstitutional.

And so it is a fragile right not just because it is hard to find but because it is hard to protect from subtle change.

We see this issue of drift routinely played out in the Abortion matter, and yet because we are divided on the issue of Abortion, some of us delude ourselves into thinking it's okay—the end justifies the means, as the desire by some to oppose Abortion is so strong that they're willing slash away at the Privacy right to do it. But the Privacy issue is even bigger than the Abortion issue, and we should not yield it lightly because what we give up we're unlikely to ever get back.

Roper

So, now you'll give the Devil the benefit of law!

Sir Thomas More

Yes! What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?

Roper

Yes, I'd cut down every law in England to do that!

Sir Thomas More

Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned ’round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man's laws, not God's! And if you cut them down, and you're just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake!

A Man for All Seasons by Robert Bolt

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Now, see, I think this whole argument goes far beyond just the Right to Privacy, or any Constitutional Ammendment. This goes to the very nature of Law. Namely the age old question of Man's Law vs "God's Law", and just as Roper above in your dialog, there are still to this day, people who would scrap the entire constitution and go with a strict Theocratic interpretation of (Their) God's law via the 10 Commandments, and there wouldn't be any discussion or discourse, and thieves, liars, murderers, philanderers would all be stoned to death...and there goes the ENTIRE Federal Government
Placebo, I only threw in that issue about God's law as an illustration. The main thrust of what I said would be an issue anyway. By not nailing down privacy rights, we get encroached on at airports or in our email. Yes, it's less safe to not be searched, but at some point we need a discussion about how safe we want to be and how free we want to be. Freedom is fundamentally dangerous, so if we insist on total safety, we aren't going to be very free.

As for religion, my feeling is that just because someone feels they need to violate the law in the name of their God doesn't mean they should expect not t be prosecuted. See my piece Disobedience, Civil and Not-So-Civil.
Kent-

The problem with that argument is the typical one I receive when, say, I defend gun rights as a disabled person, ie "you're free to not go to places where you feel threatened, so that I can feel secure when I'm in the place where you want to go", *RATHER THAN "you have the freedom to go where you want to go, while I have the right to security to ask you not to bring a gun to MY Natiomal Park"

Who's right there? The guy who is "better safe than sorry" or the guy whose s scared he'd rather not even risk the possibility of being sorry, so he attempts to restrict everyone ELSE so he can enjoy HIS freedom
Placebo, yes, that's a different question. I plan to write about it on another occasion when I have time, but I think the answer is that if everyone doesn't agree, you're in trouble. And they don't agree. So yes, you're in trouble. It touches on the problem of the “least common denominator” (whether if you have lots of laws on the Internet it should serve the most permissive or least permissive set of laws touched). But there are other aspects as well. In this case, I like to refer to William Gibson's chilling 1993 article in Wired magazine, Disneyland with the Death Penalty detailing how things were handled in Singapore. Certainly a cautionary tale.
Hi Kent....gotta think on this one...xox
Hi, Robin. Thanks for visiting. :)
Kent - I'm confused. You're a smart guy so I think you know our Government has been reading our mail, and spying on us - all in violation of our rights, for years. You know that, right?

And you know about secret court dockets...right? Here's one I've been tracking in Washington state.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/yourcourtstheirsecrets/

and here's one organization that follows various violations.
http://www.rcfp.org/
Bonnie, yes, I know they do it. I believe it's in violation of the law. That's why we have the FISA courts, for example. But it's unclear what is and is not allowed. And that means thee's no way to tell if it's creeping. Again, don't get caught up in a specific example, since I just picked the examples to illustrate the abstract point. The abstract point was actually triggered by the profiling and whatnot they're doing related to terrorism, which is ever-more-invasive. I have another post coming on that matter soon, which this post is in support of.
Cool. I'll be watching.
Having been an adult female *before* Roe v Wade (and after for that matter!) I quickly began to wonder how men would feel if their right to privacy between their doctors and themselves was broached. I was also amazed at how so many people didn't *get* that such an encroachment did not bode well in so many other areas. The privacy issue in healthcare has "creeped' over to insurance companies denying coverage if it is found that a woman carries the gene that contributes to the development of breast cancer. Ditto for HIVAIDS.
I don't have the answer except maybe to suggest it is one of those things that is so fragile that it will forever have to be approached on an ad hoc basis. It is easier to remove something that is 'ad hoc' eg one case than a constitutional amendment.
My daughters were surprised to hear me say one day that I hated Roe v Wade and still was glad it was there. In this case it clearly became an issue that other rights could not be maintained without government stepping in. However I still wish that the privacy between a patient and his/her physician did not require legal changes. Thanks for the piece...very thought provoking.
Hi, Patie. Thanks for stopping in and sharing your perspectives. Yes, the essence of private is “people will differ, so let them differ.” There is no one single profile of the people who are touched by this situation. But the reason this is so customarily messed with legislatively is that there's no visible line where you can say, definitively, “wait, you just crossed the line.” A failure to have a visible line may be initially administratively simpler, but ultimately tends to support bullies when they arise.