Kent Pitman

Kent Pitman
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Philosopher, Technologist, Writer
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I've been using the net in various roles—technical, social, and political—for the last 30 years. I'm disappointed that most forums don't pay for good writing and I'm ever in search of forums that do. (I've not seen any Tippem money, that's for sure.) And I worry some that our posting here for free could one day put paid writers in Closed Salon out of work. See my personal home page for more about me.

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JANUARY 29, 2010 12:12PM

Death and Taxes

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I hereby propose a $1.00 flat tax on dying. 

I'd even waive it for people who die without means to pay.

Call it The Death Tax. That would be its official name.

Then when Republicans start ranting about how the “death tax” is too high, rational people could say “No, it's only a dollar.”

They would, of course, say “No, I mean that other tax.” And one could reply, “Ah, you mean the Estate Tax. Why didn't you say so in the first place?”

And then a rational discussion could ensue. Ok, just kidding about that part. But at least those who were duped by the spin could have something they could look up.

Because honestly, the whole “death tax” naming by the Republicans is intended to provoke the notion that you get taxed just for dying. And you don't.

The tax could later even be removed. No more dollar. Then when people asked about it, you could say “Death tax? Oh, that was gotten rid of.”


Or, if you don't like that plan, we could keep things as they are and when the Republicans pull the “death tax” card we could say, “Hey, don't you always say you should tax people on what you don't want them to do. You don't want them to die, do you?” After all, it'd be rather callous of them to be wanting to make it easy for people to die, isn't it?

The Democrats should just say they've learned from the Republicans to make everything be about money and to work through the tax system to incentivize what industry should be doing.

We could even say we think rich people are especially important so we want there to be a very strong disincentive for them to die.


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What Democrats need to learn from the Rebugs, is how to learn to use doublespeak. Good post!

Consider it rated!
I love a good nomenclature death match.
Like a tax cut for the top 1 percent of income earners is a tax on the middle class?
brilliant idea - would you consider running for office ;-)?
Yes, the heirs pay "the death tax," but only if they're alive.
Another warped perception is we tax people. We tax money. If we taxed people, it truly would be an "arm and a leg."

Good idea, Kent
I will donate many dollars to pay for the Rapture nuts death tax who what to get a head start and jump into a canyon somewhere. That is a death tax I would love to support.
If we're cryovacced, are we really dead? Can the government tax our families if they're waiting for our resurrection? Just think, if we all went into the deep freeze, our families could spend every cent of our money without giving the government a penny. Move over chicken cutlets, I'm coming in.
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And you used that other magic solution term: flat tax!
but what about the children, won't anyone think of the children?
Kenny, you're right. The Republicans have made a science of appropriating terminology in a way that gives them a conversational edge, even when there's no substance. The Democrats need to learn to take them on.

Bonnie, I'm not big on the notion of dynastic fortunes... And, curiously, it was a friend who had such a fortune that convinced me it was a bad idea. (No, not by me judging him. He had a job and contributed value to society like anyone else. He had a brain on his shoulders and good solid arguments for why things were set up wrong as they are now. But that's topic for another post.)

Stacey, thanks for tuning in. Please make sure to visit our well-stocked concession stand for drinks and popcorn.
OE, if I understood you right, it might be you're thinking I mean to replace the estate tax with this. I do not. Rather, I intend to add this tax, onerous as it is. The estate tax is not a tax on death, it's a tax on inheritance (and only large inheritances at that); there presently is no tax on death, much though the Republicans like to spin otherwise because it suits them to do so. Trouble is, it's hard to fight if you have no actual death tax because they can say “you know what I mean” and handwave the highly politically engineered confusion away as a casual misunderstanding of the moment. So by making an actual death tax, this would not be an option. In order to speak of the actual death tax, you'd have to know what it was; in order to speak of the estate tax, you'd have to know it wasn't the death tax.

There was a similar thing done I think by accident in Massachusetts by creating an “Independent” party. What you think of as independents are called “unenrolled” in Massachusetts due to this fiasco. Creating a named thing where no name had been can successfully supplant an informal name even when nobody likes it. I can assure you many people in Massachusetts would rather use the term Independent in the way everyone else does. But often they're forced not to. That's what I want to do with the so-called death tax (really the estate tax): make them use another name than death tax.

I hope that clear that up.
You're right, Kent. It's all in how you spin it. Rated and enjoyed.
Yes, more doublespeak from our side:) Great job.
The sad truth is that "spin" is effective. Just look at the "Tea Party." I'd wager that 90% of people who consider themselves members have no idea what the Tea Party is. But they know that it is patriotic and had something to do with the American Revolution and, dammit!, they want to help take this country back from the people who are trying to destroy it. We don't actually think anymore, so we need slogans and sound bites and names like "death tax" that let us know whether or not we should support it or oppose it.

So I think you have a good approach. I think Tea Party meetings should be held where we serve tea. We can explain your $1 death tax at them.
Oh my goodness. The Death Tax.

So we can have your death tax (but a dollar might be too high; maybe a penny) and we can have the Republican "massive wealth" tax. Yeah, it's all how you frame the issue.
Nikki, I don't think I could bear the scrutiny of running for office. I looked at Obama's background check form, and it had things in it asking for info about all my aliases and posts on the net. I don't think I could enumerate them if I had the rest of my life. And I'm sure something in there would disqualify me. I often think that the only people who can run for office are those who have never lived life. No wonder they make such crazy laws.

Paul, indeed. That must be why those bankers aren't getting the haircut they are said to deserve.

Dr. Spudman, tempers and rhetoric are running high so let's hold the moral high ground and avoid suggesting the death of anyone... but I understand your sentiment about people all-too-comfortable with the notion of the Rapture. I'm glad you liked the piece.

Donna, you have to be pretty rich for the estate tax to even affect you. I don't think most people need to go into cryostasis. And those who might need to have money to spare anyway.
Karin, no reason I can think of. :)

Coyote, glad you caught the extra buzz word.

Hi, Robin. Glad you got a chuckle out of it.

lorelei, isn't that always the way? Those poor children...

Lisa&Lisa, thanks to both of you for visiting.
Susan, good idea. It sounds so civilized. Again, if both sides have tea parties, that disarms the terminology.

Mishima, I take your point about the price. Maybe $0.01 would have been better.
Kent,

I like the idea in theory, but don't there need to be considerations and provisions for METHOD of death? Should a kid from Detroit who gets gunned down for his tennis shoes have to pay the same price as the terminally ill guy who takes his own life, or the random drive by shooting victim? There are just too many means of death to make it a blanket tax, IMHO. Maybe a BIRTH tax on the family who want to have children? Say .50C for every child born?

Just a thought
Placebo, the idea is to disarm the ability of people to call the estate tax a death tax. That can't be done by a tax on birth. Naturally, one would want a waiver on the tax if someone was shot or otherwise unable to pay. And, as I said, we could later lift the tax. But then there still would always be a thing the death tax meant, and it wouldn't be the estate thing.
I found it hysterical that GW Bush himself (and the spawn of slick Dick too) stands to gain a hell of a lot of money when his dad dies if the 'death tax' is ended. The average person, in spite of what Glenn Beck, etc say, won't have a snowballs chance in hell of having anything to worry about. And all those 'small business owners that will supposedly be ruined by it? I didn't realize that Dow and Monsanto and BlackWater/Xe were 'small businesses' let alone Tyson and...

I once got into an argument with an elderly couple about the 'death tax'. They drove a 20 year-old car, lived in a house in the bad side of town in a house that was probably $20,000 tops and they were damned and determined that they THEY would be slapped silly by the government when they died. The thought made me almost split in two! But they would not be swayed from their belief that the men (and their minister) would leave their children destitute when they died because of an 'unfair tax'...

The programming is good, you have to give them that (GOP/etc) and the fearful are fixated on the lies...
The problem with the death tax and most taxes in general is the rich will never pay them. They have the money to employ tax lawyers and set up generation skipping trusts and elaborate gifting scenarios. Buffet wasn't kidding when he said his secretary paid a much higher percentage of her income than he did. monkey fingered.
gonzoid, I agree with you. The self-serving nature is not accidental. And so I think the terminology won't be overcome accidentally either.

BBE, indeed. A complicated tax code creates a “can't see the forest for the trees” problem.
Now there's an idea I can get behind! Or borrowing a page from Perverse Peter Pan, every time a Republican says "Death Tax", one of their rich contributors should die.

As for the Grand Old Propaganda, that Party permanently retired the Orwell Award for deliberate obfuscation way back when they rebranded Trickled-On Econcomics as Supply-Side Economics and convinced millions of blue-collar idiots they could become as rich as Wall Street wizards and multi-national corporate fat-cats if only they'd take away welfare Cadillacs. If ever a performance deserved an Oscar for a starring role in a tragi-comedy, it was Darth Raygun as good ol' neighborly Uncle Ronnie.
Tom, thanks for stopping by. Yep, it's really hard to compete with their Orwellian style. But on the other hand, it's necessary to do some work to disarm some of that stupidity.

Bob, great to see you. Thanks for your support!
Brilliant. I find the Republican's rewording of things to elicit an uproar to be one of their most disgusting qualitites. I know you wrote this with a light heart, but strategically, it's fantastic!
Thanks, Mother. I'm always hoping my ideas get seen, but you know how those things go here... It's one reason I'm always fussing about the cover. I like my friends, but alas they are not the leaders of any political party. To be influential beyond one's circle of friends, one must be visible at all.
Ask and you shall receive. rated.

Kent, given that in the Senate virtually everyone is wealthy, will they ever get the estate tax where it was in '09? The legacy of idiot ex Pres on this, 0 for 2010, high again in 2011 is the single most absurd idea. Not that he didn't do much worse, Bush I mean. Is Obama going after this nonsense. Love the 1 dollar approach cause it changes the entire dialogue.
Wendy, it's kind of yo-yoing around but I'm a big fan of the tax personally. I don't know that all Democratic legislators are rich, but I hope they will support a reasonable tax on the high end. Anyone who has a heap of money and thinks they're getting the short end of the stick with a heavy estate tax is welcome to trade fortunes with me and enjoy the luxury of not being taxed so much because of not being rich. This position of mine is something I'll write about separately sometime, but it's more than just wealth redistribution. There are good reasons not to have dynastic fortunes that go beyond mere preying on families that have done well.
Hi, Tim and Sparking. Thanks for registering your approval. It's looking like quite the popular plan at this point. Now if we could just interest a legislator...
And then it would be $1.25 the next year and $1.50 the year after that and.................
awesome idea! let's do it.
a.k.a., with 350 million americans and only, let's say, 1/50th of those dying every year, a raise of $0.25/person over 7million people would net barely more than a million dollars. It would be pointless to even try raising it. The tax would have purely tactical value in order to stop all the nonsense about there being a tax on dying, which is a bogus claim now made by the people who want the estate tax to get less scrutiny.

Dolores, thanks for the support!
The Repuglican death tax repeal -- another brick in the road to the United States of Argentina.
Lefty, it's not a repeal of the estate tax. It's the addition of another tax called the death tax so that the estate tax can't be called the death tax. The idea is to avoid getting rid of the estate tax by insisting on calling it something that doesn't make it sound like it applies to everyone, so that people who the estate tax doesn't apply to won't be inclined to just reject it on a knee-jerk basis.