Kent Pitman

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I've been using the net in various roles—technical, social, and political—for the last 30 years. I'm disappointed that most forums don't pay for good writing and I'm ever in search of forums that do. (I've not seen any Tippem money, that's for sure.) And I worry some that our posting here for free could one day put paid writers in Closed Salon out of work. See my personal home page for more about me.

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AUGUST 26, 2010 6:46AM

The Cost

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For those of you just waking up from a coma or returning from a sensory deprivation chamber, the last “US combat brigade” officially left Iraq last week. It seemed an appropriate time for a pause to reflect on the cost we've incurred.

I heard someone remark on TV the other day about over four thousand lives lost and a trillion dollars spent. The four thousand people I understand. It's a lot of people, but I can conceive of it. Forty rows of a hundred people each. Or perhaps eight or ten large passenger jets full of people. That's a lot. Each was a person, with a life, probably a family, all affected.

But I don't think that's the full count of lives lost. I hope to convince you it's a terribly low number. I think the number of casualties of this war was much, much larger. And I didn't mean the injured or those with psychological damage, such as PTSD. Those are also costs, and I don't mean to discount them. But those are not the ones I mean. I'm actually meaning to count deaths. And yes, there are Iraqis dead. They're often not counted. That's sad as well. But I mean the count of American deaths is low, at least as I tally it.

But first, let's return to the trillion dollars. That's an incomprehensibly large amount of money. A million dollars is hard for many to comprehend. A trillion is a million million. It makes it seem almost quaint to think back on the late Senator Everett Dirksen's familiar quote, “A few billion here, a few billion there and before you know it, you're talking real money...” A trillion is a thousand billion. That's a lot. It's more than seventeen times the wealth of Bill Gates.

To understand this number better, I'd like to speak for a moment about something called opportunity cost. Opportunity cost is not the direct cost we pay out, but is a measure of what we lose by not doing something else. One can't do everything in life. Usually making a choice to do one thing locks out the opportunity to do other things. So sometimes you can't just look at what you got by taking a certain choice, but you also have to look at what you lost.

For example, there are 310 million people in the US. Instead of going to war with Iraq, we could have borrowed a trillion dollars and just given $3226 to each person (man, woman, or child). We'd still owe the trillion dollars, just like we do now, but everyone in the US would be that much richer. We didn't choose to do that. But one way to conceive the cost of the war is to say we denied ourselves that money.

It's unlikely we'd have ever had such a handout, at least not like that. But here's another thought: Lots of people get sick and don't have health care. Sometimes they get sick because they don't have health care—maybe they weren't getting screenings for things they should have. So the cost of saving them might be trivial. Perhaps a few hundred dollars. Or maybe it would be a simple procedure or some medication. Perhaps a few thousand dollars. Maybe it would require serious surgery. Let's be very, very conservative and guess that it takes $100,000 to save a life. It will make my point and then we can come back and look at the other possibilities.

Instead of paying a trillion dollars on a war, if it cost $100,000 to save a life, there are ten million $100,000's in a trillion dollars. That means we lost the chance to save ten million lives. Let me say that another way: Ten million people died who didn't have to. Or maybe more, if you think my $100,000 number is high. If you could find a way to save a life for $10,000, there are one hundred million such bundles available in a trillion dollars. But let's be conservative in our back-of-the-envelope calculations here and say just ten million. It makes the point well enough. Either way, we didn't spend our money that way. We made our choices, and those who could have been saved were not. We spent the money on the war instead of on them.

So going back to where I began and trying to fathom the depth of meaning in “a trillion dollars and over four thousand lives,” one way to conceive the phrase is to say “ten million civilians dead and four thousand military dead.” And, in a sad irony, if the money had been spent on those ten million, the four thousand military would probably still be around, too.

Ten million people. That's six times the population of Manhattan.

Let's not forget the chilling imagery created by Condoleezza Rice when she said, “The problem here is that there will always be some uncertainty about how quickly he can acquire nuclear weapons. But we don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud.” We didn't want even the chance of losing one actual city to terrorism, yet in order to avoid it, we spent enough that we could have probably saved that many people six times over. That was a lot to spend, both in dollars and in lives.

And if you don't like me making up numbers about how much it costs to save a life, another way to sum up the human cost is by looking at the cost of universal health care. It's estimated to cost somewhere around $70 billion (annually). So we could have paid for universal health care for 14 years with that same trillion dollars we borrowed to help out Iraq. That would, again, be a lot of healthy people. At no more cost than we're paying today.

Oh, right. I'm being unfair. We supposedly gained something from the war. We didn't fight it for no reason. We were told we were fighting the war in Iraq so we wouldn't have to fight the terrorists here. Is it likely that we're safe now? After all that expense, did we achieve that goal? Bush said “mission accomplished.” (I've noticed that Obama has avoided that phrase, even as he pulls so-called “combat troops” out of Iraq.)

Are we safe now? Do we have no more risk of terrorism here now that we fought that war? I don't know about you, but I think not. It's not the soldiers' fault, of course, but we didn't accomplish our mission, not that one. That mission was not possible to accomplish. We couldn't rid ourselves of terrorism by fighting with people in Iraq. And we won't be free of terrorism if we keep on in Afghanistan. We'll just be poorer, and that makes us less safe.

The big risk to our national security is wasting our wealth. We neglected the lesson of the Cold War, that one can lose a war by simply overspending. We've squandered our dollars and, I claim, in ways that we'll never bother to tally, we've squandered lives.

Yes, a lot of our military died. We should mourn them. But there are hidden casualties—really a lot of them. We should mourn them, too. Many Americans died here at home but won't be counted as war dead, even though if we hadn't fought this war, they did not have to die. We could have been wealthy enough to afford to spend that money on life.† But we gave up that opportunity. That is the true cost of the war.

†Yes, you're right that the Republicans would have opposed spending the money on such saving of lives. They're not that kind of “pro-life.” But letting such people have a say in our government is still a political choice we make. Electing them at all may indeed imply that such opportunities are lost from the outset, but I still feel obliged to point out that the opportunities are there to decide these things every time we go to the ballot box. We're just locking in that cost earlier by letting them be involved.

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The true cost do add up here Kent. You words illustrate this well.
I think the true cost of any war is never counted. If you count the munitions, transport, the cost in the lives of the ones who suffer from PTSD and commit suicide, I am sure the figures were double or triple. Yet as you say clearly, figures so high are hard to grasp or imagine.
I do like the way you link this with missed opportunities. If you enter one door, the rest close automatically. You can never go back and change the door or the results. TY.
This is one reason the country is in dire straits..
The war cost
Rated with hugs
G.W.Bush figured his re-election was worth the price. There was never any good security reason to attack Iraq and the evidence not to was loud and clear. The Taliban even offered to surrender Bin Laden to the USA and they were turned down. There are not enough AlQaeda in Afghanistan to warrant the current effort and, as far as I know, defeating the Taliban was not the original aim of the effort.

The only obvious reason for the wars is the control of the oil wealth in the Middle East and I have not heard of a movement to close the many huge and elaborate and very expensive US military bases in the area.

Should American soldiers die for that?
These are tough thought experiments you pose, Kent. You do a nice job of bringing home to us how large these costs are, in personal terms. It's the only way most people can understand them, I think. And, of course, it's the first step toward thinking about doing something.
Brilliant--and in many ways actually understated. Yes, it's true the money would have never in a million (trillion!) years have been used to improve the health of Americans.

But you have done more than any writer I can think of to get behind that handle of "a trillion dollars."

And no, sadly, as you say, we are not safer.
good one. now tell us why such lousy choices are made, year after year, and what to do about it.
You've said it all, Kent.
Part of the problem of our country is that for some reason we're not satisfied unless we're conducting a war of some type. We don't think about it, but for most of our history we have been at war against someone or some thing. I don't think we've figured out how to not be at war.
Kent,

The literary canon currently divides at 1914 because the lasting effects of WWI changed the worldview of almost everyone. They just were not the same as they had been in 1910 in heart, mind, and life experience. I am positive that in the future 2001 will be the next divide in the canon. Kubrick picked the right year for the wrong reasons. We did not become a better more technological society. We became a vicious and self-destructive one. The pain of the Iraq wars will be felt by all who follow and most will likely see it as unnecessary pain.
Since our army consists of volunteers (hired guns) I cannot count any of the 4000 US dead when I tally up the innocent casualties, that dept was paid entirely by the Iraqis . So why don’t we just drop the sanctimonious drivel we are and will be paying the 1 trillion dollars for the rest of most of our lives and that is reason #1 why our economy is in complete shambles. So every American could have received $3226 dollars each I don’t recall ever being offered that option. I only recall Colin Powell, who should be facing treason charges right now, showing us a slide show done in early twentieth century technology and using the position of trust he had gained with the American people (guilty as charged I trusted him to) to convince us that Saddam Hussein was the butcher of Baghdad and would soon unleash a rain of nuclear annihilation throughout the middle east. I don’t know about the trillion dollars ability to save 10 million people who were in a health crisis but what I do know is that my way of life has been utterly destroyed along with about 30 million other Americans (like you Kent I am being conservative) who are now pretty much permanently unemployed. Condoleezza Rice, Dubya’s whore, does share a good deal of responsibility but she did not carry the credentials of being a war hero like Powell and for that matter neither did Dubya unless you want to pin a medal on him for dodging the Vietnam war. This post has done a really nice job in crunching the numbers and elucidating the consequences of the war in Iraq but Americans cannot be expected to make the right decisions at the ballot box’s as long as the information they are drawing their conclusions from are strictly regulated. 5 multi national corporations now own the entire mass media apparatus in the western world you cannot have a democracy whose inhabitants are fed intellectually with regulated misinformation designed to produce a profit for those dispensing it.
The true cost of the war is we sold our soul - and that bill hasn't come due yet. But it will.
Our leadership and priorities are so screwed up. When I think of all the good a trillion dollars could do and then think about the way we wasted it by listening to lies well, it doesn't make me feel very good about being American. We would have been better off if we just burned the money than kill innocents and soldiers. We'll never learn, at least not in this political climate. We seem to get very few facts to make decisions on until it's too late.
Mission, yeah, I tried to steer clear of the well-traveled areas of hidden costs, but I agree they are many. In some ways, I think that's why the government likes private mercenary forces like Blackwater, because it can disclaim issues like long-term disability benefits and/or can hide the cost of them out of view. But we need to be good to our soldiers, who didn't make this mess and just dutifully served as asked. And doing right by them is not cheap.

Linda, thanks. I don't know if you meant your brief remark to imply it or not, but indeed there are other reasons we're in dire straights as well. Ugh. Blog topics for another day... Anyway, thanks for visiting.

Jan, while I'm not a Bush supporter, I don't think he did it for his re-election. He did it because he was he was elected as part of a fixed set of people working together (see my article Election Stratego); he was a sort of puppet, I think. I don't think he saw himself that way, but especially in his first term he let them just kind of tell him what to do. The split between him and some of his advisors suggests he grew up slightly in the second term, though not enough. He was out of his league all around. Still, my point is that his advisors wanted this war before 9/11 came along and jumped on the chance. I strongly recommend the book by Ron Suskind titled The Price of Loyalty: George W. Bush, the White House, and the Education of Paul O'Neill, which offers the very elucidating account of happenings at that time from the point of view of a Bush administration insider (Paul O'Neill), which is probably our best shot at a view that offers a fair account, since he had no a priori axe to grind. He was merely educated by circumstance and he shared the experience with us. I listened to it on unabridged booktape and quite enjoyed it.
Kent, I totally agree with you on these additional costs that are rarely mentioned and how the money could have been spent in so many better ways. It may have been on Bill Moyers' show a few years ago that the hidden costs and what else the same money could have been spent on was discussed in depth. Just the lifetime health care costs of taking care of those permanently injured is a huge amount. Thanks for a great post on this important topic!
and the cost to our souls, to our national ideals

we need new ways of cost accounting, your piece is a start
The cost has been staggering-financially, yes-but especially in the cost to our psyche! R
You have only begun to poi9nt out the missed opportunities. We need to completely reevaluate the way we set our priorities and take the decision making process out of the hands of the multi-national corporations and put it into the hands of many other people better informed about many subjects starting with the basics which current politicians routinely ignore when they manipulate the public.

You could also add the BP spill in the Gulf and many other environmental disasters which is a result of or continued reliance on oil. These are also ignored by “Pro-life” Republicans and even referred to as beneficial for business which is all they seem to care about.

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Rob, thanks. I'm glad it seemed to resonate.

Steve, I tried to use conservative numbers, if that's what you meant by understated. It's enough to make the point that even with very conservative estimates, the cost is staggeringly high. If we assumed the additional tail cost of caring for troops that come home, of secret ops not accounted for, etc., or if we assume you could save a life for less than $100K, it would be even more dramatic, at the risk of someone nitpicking that I somehow overreached. Sigh.

al, the reason such lousy choices are that people don't stop to have a debate about things like this. The war rivals the financial bail-out in terms of how little discussion preceded how much spending. There were occasional attempts to suggest that the war shouldn't go forward, but no one was willing to take the political consequences of being called cowardly or unpatriotic. That would be veritable political death. And yet, politics sometimes calls for patriots. We did not find them in our elected officials. What we really need are people willing to lose office for their beliefs. Of course, they have to be good beliefs, so that means we have to carefully scrutinize who's going in, too. We have trouble on both fronts. Your national citizen initiative cause might have helped, had it been in place. I'm surprised you didn't take the opportunity to push that. It would be well-placed in this venue.

FLW, thanks for the strong support.

Duane, it's an integrated part of our economy. The so-called military-industrial complex. Traditionally (in the mid to late 20th century) the rule has been that what's good for war is good for the economy. But as with so many rules, it has exceptions and this was one.

Dorinda, that's an interesting insight. Thanks. :)
[R] - I can only do that once, so I thought I should start my comment with it.
This is a brilliant piece Kent. Trying to get a handle on opportunity cost is always such a hard thing, but you done a wonderful job analogizing it.
This summer I sat on a beach (in your neck o' the woods) and had a conversation about space with my stepson. When I used the time worn picture of there being more stars in the universe than grains of sand on the beach I saw the lights go on in his head - it was amazing. I think thats what you've done here, and while I congratulate you on the EP I think its shortsighted of the Salon folks to not move this piece over to Big Salon.
One little anecdote if I may. 20+ yrs ago I was in a men's discussion group. One guy, a college prof was a Vietnam vet special forces guy who suffered from nightmares that had him wake up grab a weapon and go crawling out into his yard. He was in the group because he had put a gun in his mouth and pulled the trigger, but the gun failed. He said that the group he was in at the VA continually lost members due to suicide and that since the end of that war, the VA estimated over 50,000 suicides amongst the soldiers who returned home. We will never know the real cost of the Iraq and Afghani wars, even in lives of Americans.
So I guess if domestic cost of a war is the true criterion for determining whether or not a conflict is justified then the war we really should never have fought was the civil war.
Jack, I agree with a number of your points but wanted to make note of the fact that the so-called all-volunteer army is something I wouldn't take to mean that people have a choice. As pointed out CBS News and by Michael Moore in one of his movies and probably in other places, the economic situation is such that some people have the military as their only employment option. To call that “volunteering” is harsh in some cases. People have to live, and it's a job, but the children of rich people probably don't volunteer in the same proportions as the children of poor people. We could have arguments about whether they're just not patriotic, but let's generously assume that patriotism runs equal in both communities and just assume that “because they don't have to” is enough of an explanation. And then the stop-loss policy compounds the injury by not letting people out when they ordinarily would be done. That's very much not a “volunteer” issue.

I do think you're right that too much of the mainstream media is controlled by too few people, and that them being multinationals compounds the problem in certain ways. I do think you're right that Powell's evidence was a contributing factor, though I personally think he was kept in the dark deliberately and ultimately made to look like a fool for it; my sense is that he offered the best information he had but that people didn't trust him with the truth, so I don't think that's treasonous.
That about sums it up.
Harry's Ghost, it depends on where you count on that. I think our collective soul has been being sold off in bits for quite a lot longer. But this was certainly part of it, and I agree with you about the bill.

Michael, funny you should mention not feeling good aboutbeing American. The Right gets all up in arms about statements like that, which they regard as unpatriotic. Even the rallying cry “my country right or wrong” admits the country can be wrong. We don't yield our citizenship when it makes a mistake. But we should know right from wrong, and just as we teach our children they should feel queasy about telling a lie or hurting someone, collectively we should have some sense of moral compass that helps us from floating adrift without a sense of right and wrong.

designanator, I think I had seen that show. This is a blog topic I have wanted to do for a long time (years) and I seem to recall when I saw it kind of wincing and saying “he stole my idea” but then thinking “at least he has an audience.” My audience here is way smaller, so it's good for that word to be gotten out. Sadly, even his voice on the matter hasn't affected much.

Roy, I agree with you we need new ways of accounting. I want to blog about that sometime. Thanks for mentioning it here, though. I bumped the priority in my blogs-to-do list.

Libmom, I agree the cost to the psyche is real. I have no idea, offhand, how to quantify it, though, so I simply didn't try.
There are unstated other opportunities created also, however, like the possibility that part of the motive was as a statement to Russia and China, because it demonstrated conventional superiority remains, and alas, one has to do that sometimes, unless one wants an alternative security order based around Russia and China, and a defeat in a Great Power War by Russia and China would be very expensive indeed.
In fact, my bet is the real cost of the Iraq was will be precisely in the failure of the United States to demonstrate ongoing cohesion and resolve, not the dollars. But the rest is quite reasonable, there just is that alternative benefit we never collected, that and developing more of the Iraqi oil supply.
I echo what so many have said. Our youth and out treasure. The costs are astronomical.
It is, to me, quite disturbing that G.W.Bush and Obama both are let off the hook for their downright idiotic and highly destructive policies by claiming they are manipulated and uninformed and misdirected by conniving cronies. They are designated by their elections as the men in charge, the guys where the buck no longer passes. Obviously Obama presents a more sophisticated face but the fact is that, in his election, he was celebrated as the man who would turn things around and it seems clear now it was he who was turned around. All his policies have been more or less extensions of the failed Bush policies and the military budget is, to all appearances, untouched. The proposition that these monstrously overpriced military evils are justified is in the same class as the justifying the huge prison population out of the insane drug laws by saying all those prison guards have jobs. That money and effort, as has been noted, is taken away from maintaining vital infrastructure, keeping the population healthy and educated and well housed. Military production is money funneled into a black hole and, in the end, finances only misery and death and the president is in charge and responsible. If he doesn't redirect the misuse of funds and efforts he must be held to account.
OK Kent some of our troops were there because they thought they were doing the right thing (again blame the main stream media) to them I apologize sometimes this keyboard is controlled by my heart (its also your fault Kent for writing such a dam inflammatory post) images from wikileaks have been burned into my head. The ones that are there for a paycheck are by the very definition hired guns. As far as Powell is concerned when he showed America his little slide show (why he danced real good for masser Bush didn’t he) the technology used showing Saddam’s alleged nuclear facility was of an early 1950’s variety I could Google better images of a fixed structure 3 years ago not to mention now do you think the military did not have better surveillance equipment 5 years before that (I am talking pimples on Saddams butt) and Powell did not Know that they did.
Two comments from different entry points. They will read as excessively legalistic, however, I will explain why they matter at the end.

1) Your theory that 10 million lives could have been saved assumes that 10 million people had an upcoming death that could be avoided by spending more money (i.e. you assume the opportunity exists). We have already wiped out most of the simpler ways to die in the US so most remaining deaths are already unavoidable (old age, certain cancers, etc) or are already being avoided through the existing health care spending (some at tiny costs, like vaccinations).

2) Given that people in poor countries still die of common ways, the bigger opportunity would be to spend the money outside the US to save hundreds of millions rather than only saving 10 in the US. However, others at OS (don't know your views) have gotten mad when I suggested that if healthcare is a right, then we should start sending money overseas where it will have a bigger impact (note: I do not believe healthcare is a right).

Now, why do these comments matter? Because you tried a nice bit fo slight of hand. You tried to create an emotional comparison of millions of people dying (a terrible thought) compared to war (which very few people ever want). But, you did so in the disguise of logic and rationality. It shows intelligence and cleverness but doesn't actually present us with real, actionable alternatives. There were plenty of more specific reasons to be against or for the Iraq War. Conjuring the deaths of ten million people from unrelated causes isn't the best way to debate this.
zachery, thanks for your observations. I wish I thought the politicians were just ignoring certain topics. In some cases I think they're just uneducated and don't see the effects of what they do, and in other cases I think they are cynically understanding. But I rarely think they just overlook something. They have staffs of people paid to keep them aware. But, regardless, some different priority setting would be good.

Tim, thanks for the observations and support. Yeah, that whole PTSD and other stuff is not something I don't believe in or meant to slight. I just wanted to cut past the “known” stuff and focus on the actual significance of the money.

Retablo, no, I didn't say any such thing. I pointed out that the advertised reasons were not convincing and/or not effective, but really only because I imagined someone would poke at that. It wasn't my point. My point wasn't what was a good or bad reason, but rather what was an effective expenditure of money. If our goal was to penalize people who attacked us, we went after the wrong people. If it was to stop terrorism, we didn't. Yes, we did regime change, but that was not the originally stated reason; and it's not clear the regime we put in place will hold.
Peter and Ablonde, thanks for visiting and for the support.

Don, I recognize there could have been other such aims, though they're hard to evaluate since they would necessarily not be out in the open. But as to your specific example, if our goal was to convince China, from whom we were borrowing truckloads of money to finance this war, that we are a powerful country capable of mounting very expensive efforts, that'd be ... kind of weird. And regardless of what our plan was, our real failure was in managing it. One might say we failed on the Powell Doctrine in that we did not have a clear and achievable mission. The closest we had to one was the one that led to the Mission Accomplished banner. In fact, if we'd pulled out then, others might have puzzled at what we'd accomplished, but from a poker point of view we'd not have exposed our hand, we'd just seem a little unpredictable about which game table we chose to sit at. (I think this is agreeing with what you said at the end, but I'm not 100% sure.)
The costs truly are staggering Kent. This was certainly Bush's worst policy, just edging out tax cuts for the rich financed by borrowing and inaction on global warming. And all for a war that needn't have been fought.
Lea, good to see you. The cost may not only be to our children but of our children, as in sacrificing them. I worry I'll have to write a sequel where we find that we don't have the resources or leadership left to manage Climate Change. It requires a certain commitment and power to be willing to sacrifice. A country that is depleted has a hard time lining up to sacrifice, though we'll see. Discussion for another day.

Jan, I largely agree with you on your criticisms of both Bush and Obama. I think the notion was maybe that spending on the military is both (a) necessary and (b) helpful to jobs in the military-industrial complex. Certainly (a) is questionable and (b) is something that even if it is sometimes true should not be held as necessarily true in all circumstances.

Jack, I stand by what I said, though I certainly agree he should have done some asking of hard questions. I think it was the yes-sir military man in him that took the order he was given and faithfully tried to execute it; but I think much more was needed of him by the nation in that case. It felt afterward that Powell had been so embarrassingly duped that (in my opinion) his chances of running for office (which had once been talked about) were shot.
Steve, regarding your first point, one always wonders what people will raise as objections, and writing is always such a struggle figuring how many arguments to counter in a piece and what to hold in reserve. I wondered if someone would ask that particular question but opted not to answer it because it distracted. But the opportunity to save lives, represented as money, can always be banked for later use. (The “14 years of universal health care” was an example of banking the money and using it another time.) So that's not a fatal objection, even though I completely understand your point.

Also, please note that at least part of the exercise here was not to say we would have done these things, but to give tangible feel to the magnitude of what it means to say such a compact phrase as “a trillion dollars.” Even if you were right that the act couldn't be done, everyone could still look at that problem and say “my God, that's a lot of money.”

To your second point, my previous paragraph also explains why I didn't go out-of-country in my remarks. The point was to personalize the money, and if I suggested giving it away abroad, that wouldn't feel personal and people wouldn't perceive the loss. Saying something like “that money we spent abroad could have been spent abroad” wouldn't have been compelling. What I could have done was talk to how much education it could have paid for, how many roads and bridges it could build, how much seed money it could offer to American business trying to get started, etc. But I felt this would be easier to perceive, and it seems to have resonated with a number of people.

We acted, as a nation, to avoid death. My point was that there were ways to save even more lives with the same money and we don't take that option on a regular basis. In an earlier draft of this post, there was going to be a reference to the Trolley Problem, a problem in ethics you may be familiar with. Somehow that got lost in the piece, but this is a good place to mention it. It affects reasoning about the choices in curious ways.

Anyway, I wouldn't call what I offered slight of hand, though I can see why you might disagree. I may not be able to convince you to change your position, but I hope you can see that my intent here is not at all to pull anything shady.
Abrawang, yep, no disagreement from me on those points. Thanks for stopping by.
nice to see an antiwar post make the cover. congrats. more on war propaganda on my blog
What is most disturbing to me is the hidden motivations behind much of these efforts. This can be dismissed as another wacky conspiracy theory but I sincerely doubt all the openly declared agendas for security and misdirected military efforts were real considering that none of the people involved were either that stupid or did not have the actual facts about what was going on, despite the propaganda to the contrary. The consolidation of the US military infrastructure placed in the Middle East shows no signs of being removed and the private "security " forces in place there which outnumber the official US troops there can easily replace the troops moved out to form a permanent and private military presence not answering to official government control except through anonymous funding. There is probably corporate money behind a good deal of the effort since I suspect economics and colonialism as the real motivation. The official governments emplaced in both Afghanistan and Iraq are so totally corrupt as to be an obstruction to both the US and the local populations for any sort of decent government or attainment of sensible peace.

It seems quite fantastic but the total sum of US government activity both within the US and outside seems to be directed at impoverishing the country economically and socially and this makes no sense to me at all. It is not even in corporate interest to destroy the country so I cannot figure what is going on.
Goodness Kent, this is excellent work...no this is a service to all who were as ignorant as I was about the true costs of war. I knew about the Trillion figure, but honestly, I did not take the time to sit down and coneptualize what that number means in "losses" here at home.

Thank you for your painstaking insights. Rated!
Agreed and rated. Good post!
The dream of Saddam Hussein was to unite the Arab world with him as their leader. I hope you didn't miss some of the great images. How about him riding around on a white horse? That worked with many poor and uneducated and fearful citizens. One claimed: "There is God, and then there is Saddam!"

As anyone knows, you can't unite a people without an enemy. That's where we came in! We were the great Satan.

Saddam kept egging us on sort of like that high school bully who wants you to swing at him so that he can get into a fight. And he played a lot of the US public pretty well in this fight.

He certainly played games with UN inspectors, unless you think if I have a bomb and I say "come on over and check!" and one day I let you check my basement but not my attic, and then the next day I let you check my attic but not my basement! What a good neighbor I must be!! Really puts you at ease, doesn't it?

George W., after the 9/11 attacks (which in my memory were pretty horrific) decided to call the guy's bluff. Intelligence isn't perfect, but many agreed that it seemed to point to Saddam having weapons of mass destruction and he certainly boasted about having them. I guess Saddam thought that "baby Bush" wouldn't call his bluff.

Iraq, as a secular country, had the best chance of any of the Arab nations at becoming a functioning democracy. Democracy's, as history shows, make better neighbors. Take the U.S., for example. We have nukes, yes, but everyone knows where they are. No secrets there. (That's how you ratify treaties with other Nuclear nations, the U.S.S.R, like Salt and Salt II., because we actually want less nukes in the world, not more.)

So here's something only history will be able to tell: if democracy in Iraq works. Here's another thing history will tell: if democracy, working in Iraq, does more for US-Muslim relations than a certain proposed mosque in NY, and thus ultimately improve the chances of actual peace between the Arab world and Israel. If so, count on the diminishment of terrorism as a useful weapon.

Put me on the side of hopeful - no matter what the cost. That's a better side to be on than the one that would have preferred doing nothing which by the way also has a "hidden cost:" one that is ultimately much worse.
As has been demonstrated rather completely 9/11 had nothing to do with Iraq and to view Iraq currently as a secular country is to be totally uniformed.
Excellent, Kent. I am still amazed at the conservative approach that only taxation for funding wars is constitutional.

As you point out, we are no safer today than on 9/12/2001. The aim of Al Qaeda was to bankrupt us and they have succeeded. We still have a mindset and military approach of fighting land based nations with territorial ambitions. We are supremely poised for that, but since the end of WWII we have been involved in applying conventional military strategies to situations for which that was either ill suited or completely inappropriate. The sad thing is that some individuals involved in the military industry become very wealthy with this approach, and if we could put a spotlight on them I suspect they would be the ones working to prevent spending on things that would benefit everyone.

Think where we could be now if we had put a trillion dollars into developing non-petroleum based energy sources. That would have made us safer.
ANOTHER in a long line of superbly reasoned, logically supported, and superbly linear essays by a man whose classes I'd have never skipped even amidst the raging Vietnam war of my days. Thanks for this, Kent.

My only complaint is why no-one sees fit to question retablo a brand new "much (sic) thanks" contender for catnliar's crown.

retablo's ill-informed knowledge has been challenged from his first day here; and now he contends that Saddam Hussein hampered the search for WMDs, when Hans Blix, head of the United Nations Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission, claims:

"In the buildup to the war, Saddam Hussein and the Iraqis WERE COOPERATING with U.N. inspections, and in February 2003 had provided Blix's team with the names of hundreds of scientists to interview, individuals Saddam claimed had been involved in the destruction of banned weapons. Had the inspections been allowed to continue, Blix said, there would likely be a very different situation in Iraq today. As it was, America's pre-emptive, unilateral actions "have bred more terrorism there and elsewhere."

http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/the-staggers/2010/07/iraq-blix-cooperation-thought

Elsewhere, Blix, clearly states the war was illegal.

Who has more legitimacy to comment on this matter, retablo or Hans Blix? More and more uninformed OS posters are tolerated pulling disinformation from Lord knows where, which is allowed to go unchallenged, and we, who fail to refute the lies are forced to have Goebellian (wd.?) theories prevail.


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vzn, thanks—I was glad to get the cover. But I don't know if I'd call myself anti-war. Mostly, I suppose. I think some wars have a place. But they're rare. We fight a lot of wars that really we oughtn't, and the Iraq war is certainly one of them.

Jan, I suspect they are posturing for a position in the Middle East in case of some sort of oil shortage. I'm sure we want to maintain a presence there for some strategic reason. I think they think we can't be trusted to know. See my post Is Democracy Dead? ... although it was written before the election and I must say that Obama has mostly continued rather than repaired Bush's foreign policy. (Still, though, he's done better than I imagine McCain would have.)

BB, I'm glad I could help you get a sense of it.

RW, thanks for the support.

Retablo, I don't know if I'd call Iraq a secular country. The fact that its religious structure is broken up into pieces doesn't make it secular. I also don't agree with your characterization of Blix. At the time, I kept hearing the media make subtle insinuations that he wasn't doing his job; I later came to see that was just someone's spin. Certainly when we got in there no one could find evidence he had been wrong or lazy or whatever it was that people were trying to claim. And, finally, the phrase “no matter what the cost” is a dangerous one. There are always going to be cost-effectiveness issues; ignoring cost will not make them go away.

Rodney, indeed, that much money spent on new energy development would have been great.

Mark, thanks for taking up the cause of rebuttal. As to the legitimacy (for the sake of making arguments in this forum), I think we're all legitimate. Some of us just have better arguments than others.
Well, all can say to that Kent is, were You my professor in those days long gone, I'd have probably signed up for TWO courses a semester with You.
This is an important topic that, if kept in the public discussion for a while - a year, two years, more? - would dramatically change the discussion about everything the government spends money on, not just war. The true cost of everything is almost incalculable but you have put some stakes in the ground for discussion around the Iraq war, so thanks for that. What's perhaps most disturbing is the lack of any such discussion before the war was inaugurated; this was a gut-reaction war, IMO, and the populace - a majority of the populace - supported it. Yes, we elect our own misery - pay particular attention to this fall's elections, because I think we have only dipped our toes in the waters of misery so far - but the lack of true patriots of the kind you talk about in a comment, people willing to give up something to do what's right, is a permanent flaw in our society, and we continue to pay the price for their absence.
"And, finally, the phrase “no matter what the cost” is a dangerous one. There are always going to be cost-effectiveness issues; ignoring cost will not make them go away."

Of course I agree with you, but my main points are ...

1) There is also a cost to doing "nothing" and that needs to be considered (for example, there's a "cost" to doing nothing with your money by putting it under the mattress. It will lose value due to inflation.)

2) Agree or disagree, the administration calculated cost, and a cost they were trying to avoid was the higher cost of allowing Saddam to go unchecked. As Condi Rice argued to the president, that was the mistake on WWII: not acting sooner. Thus, greater loss of life (cost).

Anyway, thanks for your post and comments.
Retablo, I'd agree with you if you said “potential cost.” I don't think the status quo is always a safe option. But money kept under the mattress during the financial meltdown fared quite well. There was no cost to that. My point isn't that people should always stick money under the mattress, but rather that inaction is not necessarily a cost. So you can't make your argument simply on that. In this case, it's so complicated that surely there are some negative effects of doing nothing. But it seems to me (and you can, of course, disagree) clear that the cost of action was so staggeringly high that we simply could not have done worse by doing nothing.

As to your second point, my understanding is that the war recommendation had nothing to do with 9/11 and didn't have to be done then. They had a theory that somehow democracy was a virus that if they could just simply implant, it would spread gratefully. They were naive in so many ways. The “shock and awe” campaign was an example. I could go on, but this is perhaps not the place. My goal here was to discuss cost, and the only way to reasonably evaluate cost was against stated goals, not hidden goals. We could discuss another day whether we needed an elective war to satisfy other unstated strategic goals there, or whether it's reasonable in a democracy to have such unstated goals. But let's not do it here in too much detail. If you want to make a reply to this to cover some new item I raised, feel free; I'll just let it stand and then we can drop the matter for now. Thanks for keeping the discussion civil. I know that's always tough on a matter of such importance.
I'm against this kind of government spending....