Kent Pitman

Kent Pitman
Location
New England, USA
Title
Philosopher, Technologist, Writer
Bio
I've been using the net in various roles—technical, social, and political—for the last 30 years. I'm disappointed that most forums don't pay for good writing and I'm ever in search of forums that do. (I've not seen any Tippem money, that's for sure.) And I worry some that our posting here for free could one day put paid writers in Closed Salon out of work. See my personal home page for more about me.

MY RECENT POSTS

JULY 13, 2011 8:04AM

Compromising Government

Rate: 8 Flag

As a compromise in the present stalemate over the debt ceiling, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) has proposed the strangest thing I could perhaps have imagined. Under his plan, as I understand it, Congress would transfer control of raising the debt limit to Obama, and so that Congress could then vote against him doing so, even acknowledging that Obama would then be able to override their vote.

This is a ridiculous proposal, and President Obama should not accept it.

First, this action seems transparently designed to create political talking points for the Republicans in the next relection. They would like to campaign on the notion that President Obama does not care about out-of-control spending. In so doing, they would cynically (and probably correctly) rely on the fact that many voters would not look up the history of what actually happened. So they could spin things as they liked if only they could make certain true claims, among them “Obama voted to raise the debt ceiling” and “Republicans in Congress voted not to let him.” It's of no importance to them that the truth would really be “Republicans in Congress, faced with the fact that they would have to raise the debt ceiling, asked Obama to do the honors pro forma” and “after suggesting that Obama raise the limit and knowing they would be unable to stop him, they made a sham appearance of trying to look like they put up a valiant fight.” This kind of theatre should not be given credence, lest it become a way of life.

Second, it is the responsibility of Congress to manage the budget. It should not be delegating unpleasantries to other people or agencies. The reason Congress has this power is so that it is accountable to the people. Why can they delegate responsibility to the President? Just because they want to? Could they also delegate the responsibility to, say, Grover Norquist or the Koch Brothers? It is a bad precedent to set. It seems specifically designed to make Congress appear not to be responsible for an action that is plainly under the Constitution the responsibility of Congress.

Third, the power to raise the debt limit should not be within the power of the Presidency because it robs the nation of robust debate. The Republicans of all people should realize this. Even though I think the debt ceiling should be raised, I think it is still a serious matter, and should not be within the power of one individual to unilaterally control. Rather, the deliberative nature of Congress should be engaged to make sure that all points of view are heard.

Fourth, I'm a little concerned that the power to raise the debt limit suggests the emerging possibility of a Presidential power to perhaps also lower the debt limit unilaterally in a way a number of Republicans have recently suggested they wished they could do. I would have concern that such a move could come suddenly and without warning as a way of “starving the beast.” That would be very bad, and would make it very risky to ever elect anyone who might even think seriously about doing such a thing. And while I'm not presently in the mode of wanting to elect a Republican, neither am I wanting the US to become a one-party system. I think the pendulum has swung way too far to the Right lately and needs to swing back toward the middle, but I also think further down the road it may need to go the other way. And it's important that the processes we have in place to govern us will work no matter who is elected, Democrat or Republican.

The President needs to reach a resolution with the Republicans quickly. But this proposal by McConnell does not seem workable to me. The Republicans need to do their sworn duty and protect the United States from catastrophic financial failure. They need to raise the debt ceiling. And then we can talk about other matters.


If you got value from this post, please "rate" it.

Your tags:

TIP:

Enter the amount, and click "Tip" to submit!
Recipient's email address:
Personal message (optional):

Your email address:

Comments

Type your comment below:
Kent, when I heard about this absurd idea on the news yesterday afternoon it certainly smacked of underhanded politics as usual. Because it was to involve revisiting the debt limit three times it looked like a simple plan to make Obama appear like he would raise the debt limit each of those three times on his own and the GOP would do their best to portray him in a negative light each time and all prior to the next year's presidential election, as I understand it.
I agree. This is non-sense. Nobody seems to be working for the People (make things better for everybody).
designanator, I had been baffled by why the power would be to raise it more than once, but of course that's all about narrative, too. Thanks for helping me see.

Kanuk, they have identified some of the people as, in essence, the enemy—people we don't want to help because they're dragging us all down. (It's that lifeboat ethics thing I was talking about in my Prenatal Murder and Unjustified Miscarriages piece recently.)
It may very well be a moot point. McConnell is proposing this as a way out from the box canyon that the GOP has gotten itself into. But it's clear that the tinfoil hat crowd of Michele Bachman et. al. will have nothing to do with it.

One of the big losers in this whole fiasco will be John Boehner, who seems incapable of riding the realists and the TPers's horses at the same time. And it's obvious that if such a bill were to have any chance of passage, it would take a fairly solidified Democratic participation in the House to make such a thing happen.

Ultimately, I don't think that there's enough time in the legislative calendar to allow for such a potentially controversial piece of legislation to make it through both houses. It appears more likely every day that President Obama and Secretary of the Treasury Tim Geithner will invoke Article 14.4 of the Constitution.

Then let the TPer law suit, God, and the Supreme Court to sort out the rest.
If the Republicans are looking to delegate their responsibilities, perhaps they could delegate them to Democrats in the next election. (And thanks for visiting my blog too.)
Lefty, I have more to say on this topic to be released tonight or tomorrow, so watch for that as it may address some of what you wrote. It vaguely relates to the timetable and why if Obama is going to push for using 14.4, he'd better hint it sooner rather than later, to calm the markets. I saw an interview with him within the last 24 hours in which he was asked point blank if he could guarantee checks would go out and he said he couldn't unless this was resolved. That was the wrong answer if he thinks he has an out. I understand the drive to posture, but the posturing is itself dangerous just now. It's too close to the event and the markets are nervous.

Jennifer, well, the title of your post (To GOP, Constitution is Sacred, Unless It Hurts Their Brand) seemed spot on, so of course I had to visit. Fun suggestion about delegating to the Democrats. Unworkable. But fun. And it makes the point of how ridiculous delegating that kind of thing is.
hasn't anyone noticed that the usa is run by conmen, idiots and nutcases? do you think it's normal? do you think good management will appear from this combination? isn't anyone worried?
al, I think all sensible people who are paying attention are worried. I'm not sure how many people are in that intersection, though. Watch for my follow-up post, which addresses that angle.
You've seen through them Kent. For most of the Repubs I reckon it's bluffing and posturing to win votes while further reducing government. Then's there are the true believers who somehow reckon that a default is better policy than anything that could be construed as a tax hike. But I admit it's sometimes hard to tell the dupes from the spinners.
The people in corporate power and major finance seem wild with joy over shoving the country towards third world status since that's where the cheap and suppliant labor force resides. The labor unions in the USA are a total ineffective mess and the decaying infrastructure still has a ways to go before the collapse of bridges and cracking up of highways is a major daily occurrence. Credit has more or less run out and wages are being pushed nicely towards huge increases of hours with small if any increase in pay and automation is regularly wiping off jobs. The panic over government debt is vaporizing basic government services with their jobs and the idiots in charge are wondering why there is a decrease in the market buying power so they can sell their cheap goods. It'll be a while before the plumbing goes bad and people start crapping in the bushes and cholera becomes widespread since no one can afford the health insurance enriching the private companies in charge but we're getting there.
But the rich are getting richer and that's all that counts.
Abrawang, I just can't understand how they can be in politics and know so little as to think a default could ever be anything good.

Jan, you paint a grim but potentially quite accurate picture. I don't know how the rich think they can insulate themselves from disease, for example, if their waitstaff is going to be sick. Maybe they are investing more in robots than we're aware... Sigh.
These are such cartoonish times. Eerie, bobble-headed, conniving times. Not my most articulate observation ever, but I'm just in a state of amazement that these people can hear themselves and not hang their heads in shame. I wouldn't want the tapes running if I were making such absurd arguments.
Travellini, great to see you passing through here. It is really cartoonish, isn't it? I'd almost suggest such a concept as cartoon politics, by analogy with cartoon physics, except we're not in a cartoon... are we? I don't even think a cartoon writer would use such a device because they wouldn't trust their audience to be dumb enough to fall for it. Cartoons from Bullwinkle to South Park have repeatedly shown that audiences are quite capable of much more sophisticated readings of situations than the Republicans are gambling on. More like a soap opera. But if we were in one of those, I'd be looking for some way to appy soap opera rapid aging syndrome to certain characters in order to grow them up in a hurry. (Drifting a fair ways off topic now, but see my Theory of RelativeTV, mentioned in that Wikipedia article.)
Of course it’s absurd; have we seen anything that wasn’t recently from these people? The U.S. government has turned into one of those bad Will Ferrell movies that are so horribly ridiculous that they aren’t really even funny, but enough people buy into them that the producers can still make huge profits; that seems to be the modus operandi of U.S. government these days. Unfortunately, unlike Will Ferrell movies, we are ALL affected by these crap productions being sold to us by politicians, their wealthy corporate sponsors and the general media outlets.

I want to be able to say something intelligent here, but there really isn’t much one can say in that vein, so …I’ll just end with my usual; until we change how these people get their jobs, we can expect little else than what we are seeing.