There have been a handful of fascinating posts about Open Salon lately; what it is, what it needs to be, what it isn't. We're reading them all. And if there's a common thread that runs through them all, one that bubbles up periodically here, it's: Is this a community site or not?
It's not, at least in any traditional sense. Open Salon is designed as a publishing platform with curatorial tools -- for you and us -- to help readers of the site more easily find valuable content. The sociability of the site (messaging, commenting, etc.) is deliberately bare bones. We wanted to make it easy for you to communicate with each other, and encourage you to gather in any way you want. If you use it as a community site -- that's great, too. But that should come with an understanding that, as Open grows and we spend more time developing it, we're investing in ways to better optimize it for writers (or cartoonists, videographers, photographers, etc.) so that they can build a bigger audience. We want members to have the best experience on Open that they possibly can, but it's a site that's skewed toward creators wanting to create (or readers wanting to comment or rate) and less toward social networking. (If you're interested in joining a moderated online community, I'm happy to suggest two exemplary ones: this one and this one.)
Relatedly, when we're making an Editor's Pick or moving content to the Open or Salon covers, we're just looking for posts we find smart and interesting. That's it. I elaborated a while back here. We're not trying to use the cover as a community page, as a reward for new members, or a way to curry favor with any particular bloggers. We try to treat each post equally. You might not agree with all of our decisions -- we're human, there are great posts we miss -- but smart and interesting are our only real criteria. And the number of posts that meet that criteria daily is growing at a mind-blowing pace.
We also know that the experience of putting yourself out there as a creator can reap wonderful rewards -- and bitter tears. Feedback is great, and the connections you can make with readers through a blog, I'd imagine many of you would agree, is amazing. It's utterly transformed the media. But ask anyone who writes online about the downside of reader feedback and I can pretty much promise you the reaction will echo Joan's description here or Gary Kamiya's impressions here. Each of my Salon colleagues can probably recite a tale of being the subject of an unspeakably cruel post -- we're not talking about a vicious critique, but a personal attack -- if they've followed the Google trail far enough, or if they've read the letters on their stories. People on the Internet can be unspeakably mean. And if you're creating content online, they will find you.
We've deliberately given you tools to minimize the threat so that you can edit your comments, close your comments and filter your messages. But Open is. . . well, an "open" site, that's free. Jerks will continue to join. And, in my semi-scientific observation, will leave when people refuse to listen them. I'd like to take credit for keeping out the trolls and riff-raff, but you're the ones who have largely shooed them away, using the only proven method known to work: Ignoring them.
That doesn't mean we don't take complaints seriously. We monitor all complaints as closely as we can, and we move when we feel we should.
But. The vast majority of the complaints we get on posts/comments/bloggers are that they are "creepy," "inappropriate" or "annoying." And I'm not trying to minimize those complaints: Lord knows there have been posts -- and posters -- that fit those descriptions well, and I would've loved to have zapped them into the ether. But the standard must be kept very high. And rather than going into contorted specific legalese, let me just say that for content to be deleted, it needs to be pretty damn bad. When the threshold is crossed, we move. When it's not, we don't -- and urge you to ignore it.
I'll keep this comments thread open and answer questions as often as I can all day.
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Perhaps you might consider, though it would be more work, having two daily cover pages, sort of like having a morning and an evening newspaper.
Otherwise, thanks for the clarification about the intention for the site.
I understand from your comments above that the criteria for an EP or Cover are "smart and interesting." Is this really all there is to it? I ask because some of the same people seem to always garner these picks, and quite frankly, some of their posts are neither "smart nor interesting" (I know...beauty is in the eye of the beholder) but they seem to just automatically get chosen. Just wondering. Thanks again for the information.
Besides, having a site to publish on has changed my life in so many ways---damn, I should do a post on it! It's better than all the hours of therapy, and you all don't charge me $225 for the 50 minute hour.
LOVE IT!
Two: Voices are not sanitized for our protection. You can find the banal, but you can also find the fresh point of view.
Third: It satisfies the human desire to sing, write, draw, tell stories without the burden of being comodified. Do it, cause you want to to do it. Gee, how many places are there left that we can do that.
Added benefit: feedback and readers. Spats and drama are also included in the price.
I also post here more for the writing practice and exposure - having an easy public outlet has definitely motivated me to write more often and on topical things that would be hard to publish (since I still haven't gotten my dream job as a columnist somewhere...). And I also most value the people here who put some thought and craft into their writing, even if it is at times "drafty" (first drafts from good writers are still very fine things! and there are many good writers here, far more than get attention on the cover and most read/rated lists).
I've been involved in other online communities and there are wonderful things about them, but they're a different animal. It's been my perception that people are trying to shoehorn OS into being one of those, like forcing the proverbial square peg into a round hole, which is why there are so many requests for changes to OS's structure -- most that I've seen have been focused on trying to make OS resemble a community site. So it's interesting to hear you explain that the structure wasn't set up for that and won't be changed to make it so. (It's also fascinating how human beings will make community wherever they go!)
I do like the interaction -- getting comments from people who read my blog is my favorite part of OS -- but I'm actually glad that management is intent on maintaining their original vision of OS. You can get community in many places and many ways online (not to mention IRL) but what OS is offering is rare and valuable. If there are any changes made, I'd like to see them in the direction of supporting and encouraging strong writing.
From your mission statement (top left hand of cover, click "What is Open Salon"? perhaps time for an update since it still says "Welcome to our Public Beta") :
"Open Salon is a social content site... you can start blogging immediately -- and rating and commenting on other posts, messaging other members, and more. You can also invite other members into Open Salon from your own blog page."
True, "social content site" is undefined, if not positively Alice in Wonderlandish. But a close text reading of the excerpt above shows one reference to "blogging" (presumably this is the "publishing platform" you refer to) and at least four "social activities": rating, commenting, messaging, inviting and "and more."
So pardon some of us for misunderstanding the nature and purpose of the site. And what "not a community site, in a traditional sense" might mean, I cannot begin to fathom, especially the "traditional" bit when it comes to what could have been (and I hope still can be) a grand, successful experiment in going beyond "tradition" in the fifteen year tenure of the Internet.
But what is truly unfathomable is that while most of the posts I have read refer mainly to the need for an e-mail blocker that users can control to safeguard themselves from harassment, you refer to that issue not once in your post.
Instead you bring up the straw men of "cruel" posts and "vicious" attacks on open threads, which, by the way, if they rise to certain levels presumably violate the TOS, and it is your responsibility to adjudicate and, if necessary, take action. If we ever saw some responsiveness on your part in these matters, most of us would be satisfied, I believe. Our judgments might differ, but we individually and as a community (!) can take care of most "open thread" matters.
So the issues really boil down to two, in my opinion:
(1) What about an "e-mail blocker" with teeth that the user controls?
(2) How about some evidence of responsiveness to complaints about violations of the TOS in the posts, especially when the flag feature is so invitingly displayed, or in comments?
What's that? I shouldn't be looking for an EP or Cover any time soon? Ah well, c'est la guerre, as the good Monsieur might say. I say:
WOOF
WOOF
M B -- Very true. Someone coould be writing a heckuva thesis on this stuff.
Verbal -- Soonish? We've got two rollouts before then.
ktm -- it's informal, but we actually do fully change the cover twice a day. It usually ends up being more gradual than that, so you might not even bea able to tell.
SF -- I'm out of breath!
Grif -- Yes, that really is all there is to it.
m.a.h. -- "But I've made these friends by having the privilege to read what they publish---the 'friendship' is just icing on the cake." That's a very nice way of putting it. (Even thought I *hate* cake.)
stellaa -- Agree -- esp. that last point. The greatness of interaction is always matched, I think, with inevitable drama. But that's life, eh?
Aaron -- Of course we want to protect speech -- but as the courts have always held, not all speech is free. We rarely delete content, but withhold the right to when we feel we should -- or have to.
Jane -- Gotta love the nuts.
Juliet -- Thanks -- and thank you for your illuminating posts.
Silkstone -- Thanks. It IS encouraging that people intuitively want to band together. It's cool to see.
I think so, too. Let me know...
"(1) What about an 'e-mail blocker' with teeth that the user controls?"
I'm not saying we'll never offer something like that down the road, but more elaborate community tools -- including more elaborate intra-messaging -- aren't our highest priorities right now.
"(2) How about some evidence of responsiveness to complaints about violations of the TOS in the posts, especially when the flag feature is so invitingly displayed, or in comments?"
I'm not sure what sort of "evidence" you'd need, but I'm not going to give out details of how we've handled situations on Open. As I say in the post above, we only delete when we feel we have to.
It was actually your attempt to undefine the community which was the most significant part of your post and most troubling to me, and which you elide in your response.
But thank you for at least responding.
WOOF
Seriously, thanks for the information. Useful.
All of this hoohaw reminded me of a post my adult daughter recently posted on her blog:
"i brought up how when i was younger my mom kept telling me 2 things i actively resisted.
1. if my brother was f***ing with me, and i ignored him...he would leave me alone.
2. life is not fair."
Seems like she's not the only one who actively resists these concepts. Personal responsibility gives one great freedom. I have enjoyed the "open" part of Open Salon for a long time (relatively speaking) and plan to continue enjoying on my terms.
Keep up the good work and remember to take deep cleansing breaths.
It's a tough job but somebody has to do it! Appreciate your time here and listening to the hungry feed.
Rock on..
I find this a fascinating place. While there are always opportunities for improvement, I enjoy the interaction, the drama, the pathos, and sincerity that happens here on a regular basis.
I've posted here for such a short time, I don't feel I've had enough exposure or experience to provide any substantive feedback.
It takes a lot of effort to hold all this together and just wanted to acknoledge that and say thanks.
As I have said often enough, I really love Open Salon and the breakthrough it has afforded me as far as writer's block goes. I am somewhere near 50 posts now...
You have addressed the "Open" and I address the "Salon" part. As a human geographer, I find landscapse and culture in odd places and feel that , indeed, OS would make a grand doctoral dissertation. I see it rather as an old fashioned "salon" which, according to my Webster's is:
"a regular gathering of distinguishd guests such as might meet in a drawing room; especially a meeting of literary or artistic people who meet in a celebrity's home."
I think it is a perfect definition of Open Salon as I find it but realize it is my perception.
I applaud your efforts to make OS more well known and will be doing my part to forward that effort (as grad school allows me to).
I am all into ignoring and deleting, for sure.
great post. i have had a poster make a racist remark. ignored him. i had another make a hateful remark. deleted him.
i do not go to my email here unless it is a personal email that i get a notification on in my personal email, non-OS account. i get many blogwhoring posts. don't ever see them until i am checking a personal message. sorry friends.(: not meaning to ignore.
if someone has made a negative or racist comment to me, i would delete any personal email they have sent. would not read it.
and i do think that ignoring is the way to go. i used to belong to a new york times forum on colombia. it was a great forum and participants were colombian in colombia, colombians who had to flee the war, professors, etc. we had one sicko on their claiming to be a member of the paramilitary forces.
he threatened to kill me and other participants. said he knew where i lived, etc. we did mention it over and over to the nytimes moderator. never heard a word. so we took matters in our own hands and just ignored him. within in a few months he was gone.
anyway, thanks for this open salon. thanks for the editor's picks.:) thanks for the cover. and i am having a blast here.:)
mary
At some point, just out of pure curiosity, I *would* be interested in just what would constitute "pretty damn bad"... not that I have seen it here. But I guess I want to know how to recognize it if I do. (I mean, is it like porn where you know it when you see it?)
Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go send you a vaguely threatening and scary PM. (just kidding, of course!)
Cheers.
OK, that's all.
Ignoring worked. Got a short very polite PM from a writer who nobody has named in the maelstrom regarding blocking and stalking etc.
Writer claimed to be The Stalker and asked for an opportunity to explain the exagerrations and misinformation. I didn't want to get in it or pass judgment or hear defenses on something I had not been witness or party to in the first place. That writer has not tried to re-contact which I assume they are doing because they understood I wasn't going to engage. So ignoring had a positive result and I thank that writer for letting it be.
Maybe a little more of that at times could enhance the quality of topics and writing seen here. I hope so.
julie: wise words
Ric: Legal implications aside, that really would be fun
Mary: Fascinating story, thanks a lot of sharing it. I do hope if members get threatening comments/messages here, they'll let us know asap.
dbd: I hear you; we'll keep it under consideration.
Lainey: Comment tracking is on our list. It's not going to happen in the next month, but we're hopeful we'll role something out this spring.
alsoka: That's good to hear -- thanks for letting us know.
Ben: Re: Google, I'm going to paste in a response I sent to another person who asked the same question:
How the Google spiders work is the multi-billion-dollar question no one working in Internet publishing knows the answer to. We're not doing anything to create that list. I've noticed this before; other bloggers have shown up there, too. One factor that does, allegedly, improve one's Google page rank is the number of external links to your blog; in essence, if you get a lot of links from outside of Open Salon, your page rank improves. This might affect how Google pulls that information. But we're not creating anything special (meta data, for example) to generate that list.
now, can i please hear the protocol on railroading editors into looking at painted poodle posts? a freakin' cover if ever i saw one.
:-)
On the way to my blog, I happened to read some very insightful, funny, sad, smart, dumb writing.
On the way back from my blog, I happened upon some very smart, funny, sad, insightful comments.
Upon arriving at this comment, I say thank you for these opportunities!
And I actually spend 90% of my non-writing time reading and commenting on those folks posts. Through their writing I get to know them better, and through my writing that is reciprocated. And within that group are some writers that I would put up against any others any time.
I also very much like to blog things which are specifically designed to encourage comment and my replies to those comments. Those posts become more discussion generating instruments than having me try to write wonderful and perfect answers to some problems. Sometimes I have something important that people should talk about that I have no answers to.
I am not arguing that writing is second to community. I write pretty well and have been recognized all my life as a good writer and have been paid well for most of my professional career in part because I do write well. And, now that I am retired, I still try to write the best I can within the constraints of blogging which means keep it short and to the point.
So, yes, writing here and having readers of what I write is very important to me. But the social intercourse that develops over time here because of the writing has become equally important. If OS Administration does nothing further to enhance that aspect of OS I can live with it, maybe grumble a little, and still live with it.
What I would hope is that OS does nothing to undermine that aspect, derivative as it is and perhaps accidental as it is, of the OS experience. Nothing in your post indicates that is intended so I am simply glad for that.
Thanks,
Monte
You write: "We want members to have the best experience on Open that they possibly can, but it's a site that's skewed toward creators wanting to create (or readers wanting to comment or rate) and less toward social networking."
One thing I would note is that there is nothing very creative about personal attacks on other OS members. A post with the title of "Fred Smith is a Dumb Reproductive Organ" is unlikely to be anthologized in Great Writing of the 21st Century.
In addition, it is also going to be difficult for Fred and his friends simply to ignore something like that. And being attracted by a sensational title, if some people actually read the piece and it becomes one of the Most Read, prominently featured on the cover of OS, it will be doubly difficult for Fred and his friends to ignore that.
Ironically, if Fred reads the piece for himself simply to see what is said about himself, he inadvertently contributes to the popularity of the very post in which he is denounced. It is rather like not only being crucified, but inadvertently helping to provide the wooden beams and nails.
While I am not a fan of censorship per se, there is the concept of something being appropriate or inappropriate to the mission of OS. Presently there is no policy against posts that are nothing more than personal attacks on other members. There is no mechanism to "unread" a post, no longer any "thumbs down" by which one might express disapproval.
In that way a few anonymous miscreants and misanthropes have in effect a "license to kill." And what of the person thus attacked? What is his or her recourse? Nothing, so we're told. And even the act of reading or commenting on the post adds to it's popularity and visibility.
And what of the person's friends? They also are supposed to "ignore" the attack, supposed to stand around silently while the public crucifixion of their friend proceeds.
The potential effect is a kind of self-censorship, in which individuals may decide not to address certain topics or express certain opinions for fear of being personally targeted. Few people are gifted with such iron dispositions that they can simply shrug off and ignore such attacks, either against themselves or their friends.
The demonstrated effect is the propagation of endless debates, bad feelings, bad language, people choosing sides, a fragmentation of the community, and an overall degradation of the OS experience.
I suggest to you that to ignore a post in which a member is openly attacked, often with vile language, is neither adequate nor appropriate. The people who write such posts do not simply go away if they are ignored, and the sensational nature of those posts virtually guarantees that they won't be ignored. Either way they simply wait for the next opportunity. And since there is no negative consequence to them for such posts, why shouldn't they?
"One factor that does, allegedly, improve one's Google page rank is the number of external links to your blog; in essence, if you get a lot of links from outside of Open Salon, your page rank improves."
Having plowed those fields a little with someone who knows a lot more about SEO than I do, that is my understanding as well. But it isn't just links; it's the quality (ranking) of the sites you're linked to which boosts your ranking as well. From what I understand, owners of some highly ranked sites charge for that association.
Ranking is a product of overall traffic, unique visitors, years in service and a lot of far more esoteric considerations Google likes to keep to themselves.
Thanks for listening to complaints and commenting.
I've only had one 'troll' and I just hit delete after I read his first comment. Is there a better way?
Thanks for listening to complaints and commenting.
I've only had one 'troll' and I just hit delete after I read his first comment. Is there a better way?
I assure you I am not the only one here who would like to hear a contribution about this from the editors.
thanks gratefully.
b
This definition is so vague I doubt even the person who wrote it can decipher it.
The First Amendment is a WONDERFUL thing. It's what separates us from China and other countries that keep their people down and unable to speak. But if they were able and thankful to be able to speak, I doubt they would spew the bullshit that people spew around her unabated.
All due respect, monstrous job running this place. Women being terrorized, and then mocked by other women, deplorable. The perpetrators being able to immediately create new accounts and start P.M.'ing me and others, sickening.
You can have "open" with private options that people can chooseor not choose to use for safety purposes. To not offer safety valves for people is reckless. With the growing numbers now you see that. You told me you weren't equipped to handle all of the complaints in a timely manner. I had someone disparage myself, my family, my late grandfather and many of my friends, forwarded, flagged, did all the criteria asked for in the "by-laws" and yet the person still dwells.
I'm not buying what you're selling. You can delete me, I don't care.
If I wanted to come back (which I wouldn't if you deleted ME), I'm sure I could figure it out. They did.
I've put a lot of heart and soul and friendship into this place and this past week I've heard things said to people that I never have heard before. The people that it was said to were then demonized and told they should have "ignored" it. That's just wrong. It's like a woman who gets raped, goes on trial and becomes the victim. It's the worst, most vile thing in this country's justice system. I'm not equating vile comments and threats to rape, but it is a comparison for comparison's sake.
I will police my own blogs with my First Amendment, GOD given right and dare anyone to say a word.
Respectfully
Most posts I compose elsewhere, then a little cut and paste, some frustration when line spaces don't agree, and proof, proof, proof.
But the little quickies, real news, it won't wait, inspiration, and the stupidity of composing on the site. And then, "Is it speek, speech, speak? Damned if I know sometimes.
Dean
Would it be possible to add a "report abuse" link that would take the user to a page that would first define reportable abuse, and then allow them to report from that page? It would make sense to also include the advice to contact legal authorities immediately if there is any possibility of physical danger. This may sound like a no-brainer for the victim - but when people feel threatened and emotionally upset, they are often not thinking clearly.
Mishima: I think most people who have spent a lot of time here have seen ample evidence that we delete content that we think goes overboard. I think our standards of what should be deleted are just different. And we're definitely not going to get involved in breaking up skirmishes between members.
Tom: Sounds right.
Dynomyte: Why not just ask your question here? Share with the group!
Greg: Actually, what I believe I told you was: "If we wanted to try and limit any obnoxious behavior, we would need to employ a staff of hundreds." And it's true. There is a big difference between, for example, a physical threat and a mean crack. And, again: This isn't a community site. If you want a moderated experience, there are some great ones out there.
Trudi: "When does not getting widely read turn into getting ignored and shooed?" Now THAT'S a question for the ages!
one last thing, the guy on the nytimes forum who was threatening me and other participants was so obviously disturbed. he was writing from louisiana. so his death threats did not concern me much. but if i had felt it was serious, i would most definitely filed a report with the police.
he was not a member of the paramilitary forces. i lived in colombia, and if he was he would not advertise, he would have just read my remarks and tried to track me down.
anyway, my point is that there has been some nasty shit going on here now and in the past. i think ignoring it and deleting are good ways to deal with it.
if someone claims they know where someone lives, well then, this is a matter for the police i would think. and i am sure you and the other editors would report it.
again thanks for open salon. love it.
mary
Artsfish: It's a good point. We'll mull.
C & Mary: Again, thanks.
marcelleqb and Faith: Good points.
Again, the experience for members here really do parallel the experience of writers, photographers, cartoonists, etc. at Salon and elsewhere -- interaction with your audience in ways both gratifying and, occasionally, not. At least you can delete comments here (something many a writer I know would relish).
I usually stay out of discussions like this but I am drawn in this time by my awareness of the recent crap flinging between Greg Randolph and his tormentors. Is the threshold for taking action against a blogger determined by you and other editors or is it set by something like the FCC? I don't fault you for not wanting to get into the contorted specific legalese but I'm interested in what it says. If you have any influence over what the rules are and how they are applied I recommend that they be made more dynamic, with a tolerance that allows them to be flexible. Obviously not all situations are the same. If someone is dropping racist propaganda or trying to sell crap it's not difficult to see that their content can legitimately be removed. If someone is deliberately tormenting another with personal insults and pushing buttons just to get a rise it may not be so clear but the result of the lack of clarity is the suffering of well intentioned people. Greg, a very decent and passionate guy,was pushed to the point where he ended up sounding like the nut in this recent exchange. Others, late to the fight, were quick to pile on him. I think that situation could have been, if not avoided, handled in a way that prevented it from escalating as it did.
If this site were really "open" it wouldn't have editors and it would probably suck. I believe that your editorial powers can be applied with greater precision and to better affect. Thanks for all the work that you do.
M
Kerry, I've been watching this develop when I have had time. Since I don't have BOTH sides of the story (and you apparently do) I feel compelled to ask the question:
Is harassing another member by sending repeated PMs containing information that might make you think that person knows where you live, or by repeatedly posting comments that you know where they are from and can find them, considered crossing this ambiguous threshold?
See, I'm not concerned about trolls. I'm concerned about the members that want to act in a dangerous fashion or appearance. Someone stating they know where I live and can find me is a direct threat. I don't think that kind of stuff should be tolerated, whether this is indeed "Open" Salon or not. "Open" should not mean open warfare.
Thanks very much, and I do appreciate the logistics involved in such a large and varied community such as this one.
Great post, Kerry.
My biggest problem with OS is that it's very hard to get a post noticed in the first place unless you've been here a long time and have built up enough people who have "friended" you to get a few comments and ratings. During busy periods the odds are only a few people will even see a new post. I like getting comments and having a conversation so that's disappointing. I encourage everyone to read at least a few new posts by people they don't know every time they log on, and not just the ed's picks or those in the rated and read columns.
--Robespierre
"I hold here, in my hand, a list of ungracious and obstreperous posts..."
Yeow, let's keep the Open Open.
Redstocking: Good advice.
Bill: This post hasn't been sparked by any specific "story." You ask: "Is harassing another member by sending repeated PMs containing information that might make you think that person knows where you live, or by repeatedly posting comments that you know where they are from and can find them, considered crossing this ambiguous threshold?" If someone is being threatened they should certainly let us know, and we'll look into it immediately.
One thing I've learned about participating in internet forums - you need a thick skin and to be able to dish it out as well as take it.
"when we're making an Editor's Pick or moving content to the Open or Salon covers, we're just looking for posts we find smart and interesting. That's it."
Correct me if I'm wrong, but when I first signed up for OS last summer, I remember reading something about some of the writers being "brought in" to the OS fold. (like say, Russell Simmons and his one post) I can't find anything on that subject now, but I still see evidence of it.
There are writers here who have/had identical somewhat popular blogs elsewhere and at least appear to have been specially invited.
Jocelyn Testes Harder's "Filthy Richmond" stands out as the most obvious example--along with perhaps Amy Tuetor's "Dr. Amy" blog.
These two get editor's picks with almost every post. Is this because they were asked to join or are getting paid for their work?
And if the answer to the above questions are no and no, I strongly contend the notion that anything Jocelyn writes ever remotely meets your stated criteria of "smart and interesting."
I have many sites and adjust the fronts and indexes according to which searches I see coming up time and time again in my stats.
Edgar: No and no, and beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Vive le difference!
And with that, 24 hours after posting this, I'm going to close these comments. If anyone has pressing issues they don't feel were answered here, shoot me a message.